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we continue the politclub program on the espresso tv channel. the so-called presidential elections in the russian federation have ended, just a few minutes ago the russian center election commission released the first vote counts, if you can call it that. after processing 24% of protocols, reasons. russian president vladimir putin takes 88% of the vote, expected to be followed by communist mykola kharitonov with four percent of the vote, according to exit polls pro-kremlin in this, putin received the same 87% of the votes of the voters, as we understand, these are just numbers drawn in the administration of the president of russia, in second place is mykola kharitonov. and on the third, the representative

of the new people party, vladyslav davankov, well, this is also very conditional, as we understand it, ilya padvarev, former member of the state duma, russian oppositionist, we are in touch, congratulations, good evening, well, i don't know in general, should we discuss these numbers, but it all looks kind of wild, all in all that what i see looks wild, you know, from the queues of russians abroad every day, and for reasons that are not clear to me, why do people legitimize these elections at all. today's protest action of the opposition, which created another queue, but allows its participants to say with pride that they expressed their protest in this way, well, what is called with personal cynicism, because they do not even give davankov the second place in order to humiliate all these queues, which which lined up and to, well, this was to be expected. i believe that there will be

an approximately equal result between kharitonov and davankov in the end, but also vladimir putin, they will write him more than 85%, well, it is a hundred percent probability already, what was the meaning of all these so-called protest actions, can you explain to me? well, the fact is that mr. okats, who organized them, wanted to earn money, well, that's all, well... i believe that he was speculating on the desire of the russians to do at least something, to do something so that they would consider it safe, although in fact this campaign polling station, it was not safe, because of course the fsb will record everyone who came there in 12 and after and after that, well, but people wanted to express themselves... and this is good

news, that such people exist and that there is an oppositional mood in russia, of course, but people are afraid and do nothing... , and that is why what happened today in kyiv, when the radical part of the russian opposition, which supports the volunteer battalions, gathered, and they communicated with them and expressed a program of support for the actions of the russian battalions, which are currently fighting in the kursk and belgorod regions, well, this is the real noon against putin. but i was reading now, that yulia navalna also voted in the elections, she came to the embassy if she wanted. in berlin and said that she wrote the surname navalny on the ballot, but in principle, should the widow of a murdered oppositionist legitimize the election process. well, look, even from a political point of view, navalnaya says that she wants

to be the leader of the opposition there, but they don't write her name, that is, a person who can become the president, well, purely theoretically, huh. they also write about a person, that is, they do not even count on the fact that it can be any victory and they say it openly, that is, here actions are for action. then what are the prospects of all this process, i would say, political in the russian federation, even oppositional, when people who are opponents of the regime act in the logic of the regime, and most importantly, they perceive this regime as legitimate, you understand, even belarusian. the oppositionists do not perceive lukashenka as a legitimate president and saying that he is the self-proclaimed head of state, here in principle, look, here is real schizophrenia, they call on western countries not to recognize these elections, but take part in them, well, how

can it be done at the same time, i just don't understand, well, it just doesn't make any sense, it's a contradiction with elementary logic, but the only way is simple. the way is to support armed protest, to support a real struggle, and i really hope that now many people will be disappointed by these results, maybe they will understand and switch to a new strategy and start supporting the legion of freedom of russia, rdc and others. by the way, you can talk about the radical opposition, about what is happening on the border, in general more detail about what we can understand? well, there was a real vote there, and even, even putin said that 95.7% of the people voted there, well, i believe that they counted our soldiers who came to vote with machine guns and guns, well, to be

serious, our guys are advancing, they are now on russian territory, there in certain areas they are... at a distance of 30-40 km from the border, in others close to the border, well, but it is not yet clear whether we will be able to get some piece of territory there or not, but if we if we can, then there will be an excellent opportunity to announce an alternative government, a chun government, raise a white-blue-white flag there and announce a new russian republic in several villages, as during the uprisings against the bolsheviks? that's it, that's the beginning, then you need to have any territory, now there are not many of us in terms of numbers, and we don't have heavy weapons to expand this zone, but when the international

community is there, the politicians will see that it's all possible, well, i think all these so-called red lines, they're going to start moving and... little by little we are getting more support. what is happening in general with the mood of the russian elite, in the situation with the putin elections, with the understanding that the rule will be extended, in general, everyone is waiting for some kind of conditional changes in the regime , that it will be more repressive, that it will get rid of associates, does everyone think that this such stability, which is simply interrupted by a plebiscite, well, everyone hopes for stability, precisely... no one believes that these are real elections, and if these are not real elections, then why expect any change? there was a certain lobbyist group, which is connected to the kovalchuk clan, which is trying to put its people there for positions in

the government and in the presidential administration, but according to my information, putin, well, if the ball is now, he will not do any substantial things there changes, well , let's see what will happen from... changes will happen, then they will happen then, well, but putin is just taking a break, but i believe that he will not make any radical changes. what does he explain, that is, the radicalization of dmitry medvedev's statements, which already says that ukraine does not exist, and all other former soviet republics do not exist, and all this is already being declared with such, i would say, a claim to... to world domination, i am not talking about the simple destruction of ukraine as an

elementary solution, i believe , that medvedev is simply playing a clown in order to look safe, first of all, for the power elites, and thereby unite them around him so that he is such a compromising figure, because they cannot agree with each other, but some political they need a figure, some kind of symbol, that's all that's why he can be a candidate for mr. putin's friends from this environment, and that's why i think he makes such a radical statement. what is happening in general from the point of view of the russians ' military and political intentions, do you assume that they will be ready to go further in some kind of offensive, or will they defend their positions in the occupied territories, which is what they would really like to achieve? in your opinion, well, i believe that putin will try to bite off pieces

of territory, first of all in the so-called dpr, in order to improve the negotiating position on the future, because they all expect that trump will be there and that he will force ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, and here it was very interesting what he said, i think the day before yesterday, that... he accepts what we are doing now on the territory of the kursk and belgorod regions, as an attempt to later transfer this territory to the territory of the zaporozhye and kherson regions, well, of course we did not have such an opinion, but it is interesting that he thinks so and here we can be proud that he perceives our power in this way that we can free her there... to the same territory, which corresponds to the territory of zaporozhye, or could it be simply

an attempt to intimidate the russians to look, you know, like in the days of his youth, when he was a security guarantor against the background of the chechen war? no, i don't see him scaring the russians, it's not to his advantage now, because he's the president of the so-called stability, and he's pretending... that he's not in control of the situation, someone can seize the territory of russia, it's not his image, it is very bad for him, and that is why i believe that no, on the contrary, he is trying to play, usually, nothing like that happens, it's such a simple process, which continues, that everything is normal, that everything is under control, but please tell me, what do you think, the situation that... with russian all this talk about negotiations, how

adequate is it in terms of their intentions, what are they doing it for? well, i think that putin needs to declare some kind of victory, and the situation when they liberated the so-called dpr and lpr and kept crimea, it will look the same to the vast majority of russians victory, well, they are now focused on that, and zaporozhye and kherson region are there, because it is part of the territories there, it is a potential trading card, well, but i believe that even there trump will not be ready to choose you can theoretically offer this to zelensky as a basis for negotiations. to adhere to the agreements in istanbul, which

were planned there, but they provided that russia would release all the occupied territories of continental ukraine and keep crimea, i believe that it is such that the americans offered putin to stay on all annexed territories that this probability is very low. if we talk about all these efforts of the countries of the so-called global south to create alternative platforms for negotiations, it is in order to find some opportunity for russia. from the situation, would they really want the war to end? i believe that it is to make money, russia is a supplier of energy resources, oil, and other natural resources to these countries, and when they express the opinion that it is not difficult for them to do there, because it is not their issue and it is not their

problem, in return they can there get there are some privileges from them. something like this is from the kremlin, that is, it is useful for them, and that is why they treat it like that. in principle, how do you predict the development of the situation in the process of preparing for some, i would say new, more serious actions against moscow, do you believe in these conversations about the troops of western countries in ukraine? well, i believe that there will be certain competitions there in europe as well, i believe that this is not accidental. uh, what macron is doing now, uh, and there are two things, one strategic and one tactical, and strategic thing, this is due to the fact that they also expect trump, and if trump, then this will determine that the role of the united states in nato will decrease, and the europeans will have their chance to create their own separate

army, and here france will compete with germany. and i believe that this is exactly why macron is talking about this, and there is also such a tactical, i would even say a personal thing, the family of the current minister of foreign affairs of france was convicted in russia for some very sad pedophile scandal there. that is, i believe that putin took a certain hostage there and there were negotiations in france with russia to release him, but they did not lead to anything, and that is why i believe that france was radicalized here, and it is known that it was france that sponsored this process

internationally criminal court, by the way, today is the anniversary of the issuance of the arrest warrant. iss well, there is also the question of how much the west can jointly act in this situation? this is also very important, because we can see that this statement by macron caused, to put it mildly, misunderstanding among many leaders of western countries. well, nobody wants to force their military, that's one hundred percent. both the united states and... macron believes that this will not be necessary, but it is precisely such a statement, such intentions, such a threat, that can strengthen his position and his role in the security of the entire country. thank you,

mr. ilya, ilya panomarov, russian opposition leader, former state deputy. the duma of the russian federation was at our party, we talked with him about the actions that are currently taking place on the russian border and about the results of the presidential elections of the russian federation, now we will move on to one more a neighbor of ukraine, but a friendly neighbor, and important events are taking place on the territory of this country, on the territory of the republic of moldova, our interlocutor will now be vladyslav kulmynskyi, former deputy prime minister for grace of moldova , the executive director of the institute of strategic initiatives, and we will talk with him about what happened in transnistria on the territory of the self-proclaimed transnistrian moldavian republic today, when there was an alleged drone attack, and no one knows whether it is true or not transnistrian fiction leadership of the so-called, and as a result of this

attack, a helicopter burned down on the territory of one of the... military bases, transnistrian, that is, transnistrian, russian, i say, russian military bases, because it is a russian military base, and as a result of all this a new such moment is happening on the territory of moldova, because it is precisely the leadership of the republic of moldova who believes that the representatives of the so-called transnistrian moldavian republic are more likely to invent this story to say that their territory is in some kind of danger from russia, well now let's try with mr. kolminski to understand what is actually happening in this situation, and to... how much does the situation in transnistria depend on the stability of the republic of moldova, how serious is

the situation related to the way events are taking place in this region, you know that recently there was a congress of people's deputies of all levels, so-called, which was gathered by the leadership of the transnistrian moldavian republic and... after that, after that, a resolution was adopted with a request to the leadership of the russian federation, the leadership of international organizations to protect transnistria from moldova, and many people wondered what is really happening, and now we see what may be the continuation, congratulations mr. vladyslav, vitaly, thank you for the invitation to your broadcast, well, tell me, you do you understand why, what is the whole story about this, this pseudo-attack of a drone? well, yes, i understand that there will be no war, that now everyone wants

to avoid an escalation in transnistria, but i also very much understand that this will have an impact on the internal political situation in moldova, because right now, the main story in moldova is that russia is trying to change the government in moldova, and... in the parliamentary and presidential elections, and it seems to me that this whole story, it will not be in favor of moldova, because, well, one of the main achievements of which the moldovan authorities are rightly proud is that they did not allow war to ensure stability, and russia will do everything possible to destroy this narrative in order to prove to the voters in moldova that the authorities, the current authorities - it is bloody power, that it is war, and to create in... that moldova is now on the verge of war, but no one wants war, the calculation will be that moldova will not vote for the party of war, here is a

little breakdown of public sentiment, and this whole story, it will influence negatively on the internal political situation with moldova. and in principle, you think that the leadership of transnistria can generally come to some such actions, which will be an escalation. to create in moldova itself, including possibly using those power structures that are at their disposal? vitaliy, everything is possible, but until now, that is, until this moment, the behavior of transnistria was the opposite, that is, there were no signs of aggression either against moldova or against ukraine, ukraine, they understood what the situation was, because for kishenev now, i think it's a threat. much more is coming from the gagauz side than from transnistria, and i would like to remind you, i would like to draw your attention to a recent comment by the national security service of ukraine, where it was said that

ukraine is closely following the events in the region, in the transnistrian region, that ukraine is in favor of a peaceful settlement of the transnistrian conflict and that ukraine calls for a peaceful resolution of problematic issues in relations between chisinau and teraspol, that is, any escalation from... to transnistria, that would be arbitrariness, i don't expect it, and chisinau either, kishinev also does not expect that there will be such an escalation from the side, from the transnistrian side, and kishenik himself should not aggressively exacerbate this situation, because you know, well, in the first months of the full-scale invasion , there was a threat that the war would descend on moldova. russia tried to buy ukraine there in three days and reach the border with moldova in five days, it collapsed. and the strategic situation of transnistria worsened, so kishina warned that if someone tries to resolve the transnistrian conflict by military

means, this inevitably means that the war will come to both banks of the dniester, that is , in particular to the right bank, which will not be limited to the transnistrian region , and that the war will be there on both sides on both sides, that is, escalation now - it seems to me that it is, well... not in anyone's interests. and by the way, about gagauzia, this is also a very interesting story, because the leader of this region, yevgenia gutzu, a representative of the shor party, she visited russia, she met with valentina matvienko, she also asked for protection, but the most important thing is that she met with vladimir putin, there was also a meeting with putin at the so-called world youth forum in sochi, and i think she is the highest-ranking representative of moldova who met with putin after the beginning. russia's war against ukraine after the 22nd, imagine putin's meeting with it's even difficult for the head of gagauzia, you remember that there has never been such attention to komarat

from the side'. moscow did not know what was happening, and this too, i also draw your attention to the fact that this is happening in conditions where the government of moldova refuses to talk to the head of gagauzia at all, because they say that the head of gagauzia is a representative of the bankformers, and that's it for me it is obvious that there is a bet that gauzia will be such a counter weapon. and it is happening now, unfortunately, today the representatives of the authorities in gagauzia, they frankly say that throwing the authorities in moldova - this is their goal and that they will destabilize the situation. so, when we, when we think here about transnistria and gagauzia, it is possible that we are looking in the wrong direction, because it seems to me that today will be a much

more difficult issue. for kishinev, than, than in transnistria, because, because once again, if, if something like this happens in transnistria, then this means the spread of war and escalation, which no one will be able to control anymore, because i will remind you that here is romania, a member of nato, and many other things nearby, that is, yes, industry - it will be a serious problem, but is there really an opportunity in gagauz to... overthrow the government in moldova? vitaliy , no, there is no such opportunity in maguzia, but garuzia, she, this, this is only, this is only one story, yes, i will remind you that in october or november of this year, there will be presidential elections in moldova, and in march next next year there will be parliamentary elections, here is a victory, or at least not a defeat in these elections, this is very important for the authorities in moldova, because...

the path of moldova will depend on the result of these elections. in ukraine, the path has already been determined, c moldova has not yet. but why is russia trying to overthrow this government? and they will, they will use protests, gagauz, everything possible to achieve this goal. well, it's very, it's very simple, because for many years, decades, practically, moldova was in such a gray zone between the west and the east, and practically every government built its own rules. and this was quite convenient for the kremlin, because in practice it indicated that moldova does not move and does not try to leave the sphere of influence of russia, and today's government, the current government is very serious about getting out of russia's sphere of influence, and this turn practically happened after everyone saw what russia was doing in ukraine. in this way, practically the first government of moldova, which refused to leave moldova in the gray zone, and russia, well, they will. everything

is possible to avoid this, as it is, chisinau , moldova is leaving our sphere of influence, and russia seeks to bring its government to power, a government that would be loyal to russia, that would once again accept that moldova is like that the gray zone between the west and the east, it is a buffer formation that does not have any independent policy, or has some limited foreign policy, in which there is a military presence, the military presence of russia and so on and so forth. well, that's not all, because i, you know, i follow very carefully how the moldovan issue is being discussed in ukraine, well, it seems to me that there is a lot to talk about here, well, for example, for example, the fact that russia is still planning to physically reach transnistria, and you remember that map on against the background of which the bear stands, yes, there it directly concerns and and... because russia

is trying to change the government in chisinau in tiraspol in order to glue together such a federal country, yes, in fact, a confederation of independent subjects, and thus consolidate moldova in the gray zone in russia's sphere of influence, and i don't see any circumstances under which russia would refuse the fact that moldova left their sphere of influence, well, right here we remember this famous phrase of one of the russian generals that they have to go to the borders beyond transnistria. so it was literally in the first month of the war, now they don't say that, but it is obvious that this was part of the plan, i will tell you more that this is part of the plan, no one refused this plan, in my opinion, to use this plan russia does not have the opportunity now, but this does not mean that this is no longer the main plan, it still remains the main plan, well look, let us, for example, here i will remind you that such a story already happened, you

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