as always, with updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our country. victory today in the program. putin is breaking records. the center of the election committee drew unprecedented support for the dictator and a sky-high turnout. will the kremlin grandfather manage to cement power for the next six years? sanitary area. rebels release border regions of russia from the putin regime. in response, the russian army strikes sumy oblast. is she capable of a breakthrough? ukrainian long-range. in action, the aggressor country is rapidly

losing its oil refining capacity. in what other way can russia be deprived of its export potential. viktor boberenko, mykola malomuzh and mykhailo gunchar are talking about this and other things over the course of the next hour. in the second part of our program , we will talk about russians voting not only for putin, but also for the continuation of the war, about why did trump call zelensky the best salesman and... why does lukashenko scare belarusians with a nuclear war? however, before we start our big conversation, let's watch the video of the epic detonation of the bmp-3 of the russian invaders in the avdiiv region. this video was shared by 70 47. donate a separate mechanized brigade. let's see.

during the broadcast, we are conducting a poll, we are asking you this: does the world recognize the legitimacy of putin after the pseudo-elections in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your opinion about it in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, if you think that the world recognizes the legitimacy of putin after the pseudo-election for a while. in the territories of ukraine: yes 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest, viktor boberenko, political scientist, expert of the bureau of policy analysis. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good health, let's start, mr. viktor, with pseudo.

putin's election, because at this moment it is already known that according to the results of processing 100% of the protocols, as reported by the russian cec, more than 87, a little more than 87% of the votes were voted for putin, and the announced voter turnout was 73.3% , this is the all- time high since. the collapse of the ussr, of course, no one will be able to say exactly how much the dictator putin actually received in these elections, but they drew 87, well , they fell short of 88, it was already completely different then this number sounded all over the world, considering 1488 and the sign of fascism and nazism that exists in the world, but well, 87, what are these data, what do these

data say? well, they talk about a lot and about nothing. first of all, of course, any of the changeable people cannot believe in such a thing. a high turnout, not such a result, especially there, some republics, tyva gave 90% there, chechnya gave 99%, we understand that this is a drawn result, especially it will be visible in moscow, that's it, but it's the worst that the opposition itself played along with putin by coming here this is the so-called, let's come at 12:00 and show how to... well, many came, well , they increased the queues somewhere, but they visually increased the turnout, that is, they visually saw that if there was any turnout, yes, plus there is also electronic voting , plus the fact that they voted for three days, plus the fact that there in the military units or whatever they still voted there,

it is clear that now they draw any turnout, it is clear that the legitimacy of these elections, yes you asked the question, does the world recognize the legitimacy of these elections? well , partly because civilized countries are not may recognize it, but sydney recognizes it, india recognizes and welcomes, indonesia recognizes and welcomes, so does the republic of south africa, brazil, a certain nigeria, cameroon, that is, countries with 100 plus million people, and there are bangladesh, pakistan, etc. and there will be such a situation that in europe, by the way, there is not a single country that has 100+, well, we don't count russia... we don't count 100 million people, and they will say to putin, look, here are the countries with 100 million plus, everyone recognized except, in fact, the united states, for example, and japan, everything is possible the rest of the country, where there are 100 plus million

people, everyone recognized it, that means he is recognized as legitimate, and the fact that biden doesn't like it there, or someone else in europe, macron scholz, or president zelensky doesn't like it, is their trouble. that's how they will tell, but what's worse is that putin is legitimate in the eyes of, say, some uncle vola from tambov, uncle vanya from ryazan, why? because uncle vanya drank a glass of uncle vanya zryzany yesterday, he called uncle vova , his classmate there at the moscow university from stambov and he asked: well, what are you, volodka, you voted for your guy there, this guy , yes, about... i voted there, and i voted there, and that's it, and he doesn't meet anyone in the yard, in the store, the same, everyone voted at work, yes, behind the garages somewhere there are they drinking in the garages somewhere, and everyone in the garages voted for putin, because firstly , those who are not for putin are silent, and secondly, those who

are not for putin have been sitting or left for a long time , yes, or they are silent and did not come to the elections, yes and that's why, that's why, if they are, well, and really, well, if i would... what is the point of voting in russia, if it is shapito's circus, well , there is no point in people voting, they didn't go to vote, and that is why such a high percentage of those who, well, who would have cast their votes for putin , it is clear that this is a little inflated, yes, but we still have to admit that the greater half of russians still voted for putin, the greater half, if you don’t count, then this... well, i’ll point it out, it can be seen, and the russians themselves did not understand that these elections are illegitimate, if only because it is necessary to have, well, to have a little bit of iq, elementary knowledge to understand that the elections are illegitimate, because there was no

alternative, because they killed navalny, girkin was beaten somewhere there, pushed into the zone, someone else is there, all the rest are sitting there. to tease kadyrov, there are regional leaders, there is no one, no one, they put forward some marginals, well, it is good to be, so it is clear that there is no alternative, and therefore these elections, well, they are legitimate in de jure, but with there are signs of law, yes, but from the sign of justice, but for ukrainians it is very important, for ukrainians , justice is a mental trait, higher than law, so... and from from our point of view, this is an election without a choice, yes, they are all either stupid or intimidated, and even easier, they have not been shown anything else except putin, but by the way, i am running ahead, this is what our government will try to do in the post-war elections, then it is

not to give an alternative, to take someone, for example, to discredit him, or to prevent him from coming forward, for example, to the same hard-working person, that's all. putin says that this allegedly high turnout in the elections is connected with... dramatic events that the country is going through, let's listen to a small fragment. related to the current situation? this is connected with today's situation, connected with the fact that we are forced in the literal sense of the word, with weapons in hand, to protect the interests of our citizens, our people and create a future for the full-fledged, sovereign, safe development of the russian federation, our homeland. and i think that... i don't think so, but the results, in particular the turnout, show that first of all ordinary people feel it and

understand that a lot depends on them. mr. viktor, is it possible to simplify this construction and say that the russians voting for putin voted for the war, for the continuation of the war, absolutely true, but again here, we listen to the words of putin himself, when putin says that... the citizens of russia voted there because we have to defend their interests with weapons in our hands, and no one said that what about the russians , let's think, is it in your interests that your children or husbands die in ukraine, or not in yours, what is in your interests, there is some russian woman who just sells oil and gas, and from that do you live there, or should putin live in yours? it is in the interests of putin's ambitions to be inflated, it's just that we have to show it. the russians have other interests, but no one has shown them, so even those marginals who were against putin,

they still repeat, crimea, them, there is something else, something else, that is, you are absolutely sure that it is in your interests to crimea was yours, or choose, let's rank interests , you can have lots and lots of interests there , and you know how a young girl can consider 10 boyfriends there as potential grooms, yes, but... she will be told, just name one, and that's it then at one o'clock, and those nine have already gone to the forest, the same here, if you say there, you want personal happiness, you want wealth, a car, is it important to you that you have never been to the crimea, well, that the crimea was russian, and we can already see what else they will say, but no one even offers them any other alternatives and their own interests, who said that these are their interests? putin said... and these patterns are imposed, in fact, they led

the russians so far, yes, that's not enough, if you start asking them in focus groups, then a lot someone will say: yes, well, they think that patriots are more important to me, like that, it would be better for me to be without a car, poorer, poorer, but for crimea to be ours, so that i am a patriot, we, we are inferior, but proud and all let's pile on, well, we need to work with people for a long time in order to do this. well, this is the result that they drew for almost 88%, does this give additional opportunities to putin, who will say: listen, well , 88% of russians support me, now we will attack europe and not only ukraine, because we have support, we are united and we will already row, to mobilize everyone, because the voters gave me trust, or the so-called voters, the so-called

trust, but he will constantly refer to the fact that i have such a high level of support that, well , i'm sorry, i'm only doing your will now, and it won't be him to do, he will pretend that he is very modest and will not flaunt it, but everyone in his team will refer to this very thing, any decisions will now be legitimized, that's how you chose vladimir vladimirovich. there's a tip: well , eat now, but it's a double-edged sword, that's why that the regime is successful so far, relatively successful, they took the audiobook, it seems to them that they have a second wind and that they will now attack in the spring and summer, and you can imagine if their army, well, for example, in march of next year, falls , it will just rain, but they will simply get tired of fighting, because all armies get tired of fighting, well , behind our shoulders, behind our backs... our army has bucha, gostomel, and other cities that we, we know

what happened to them will happen if the army leaves, yes, retreats, and they, they are at a great expense inside themselves they know that kursk and belgorod are not in danger for them, there, even more so, there is some talyata, yes, a mythical one, that we are not going to go there, that we only want to return our own, and that is why they do not have the motivation that we have... we are always more motivated, or rather by two motivations, by two motivations, they have now gained a little courage, but after all, our patriotism is not pretentious, but real, and we... we are fighting for our families, directly for our families, for them to live, simply live, sir viktor, and this is our motivation more , that is why the russian army will fall first, mr. viktor, we have already mentioned how the world will react, whether putin will be legitimized as

president or not, whether he will be recognized as legitimate or not, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, anna lena burbok believes that... there was no choice when voting for the president of the russian federation this weekend, let's hear what she said: the election in russia was an election without a choice, the electoral process shows not only the reckless behavior of putin against his own people, but also against the un charter. conducting the so-called voting in part of the territory of ukraine, moldova and georgia violates international law. we have to do everything to protect... ourselves from this russia, from putin, and stand firmly on the side of ukraine with another 5 billion euros, so that ukraine can defend itself from this cruel, aggressive war. and about the violation of ukrainian sovereignty, said the head of european diplomacy josep borel, this is how he commented on the pseudo-elections in russia. let's listen. these were not free and

fair elections. lack of organization with security and cooperation in europe, a very limited environment, diplomatically speaking, this is what i can say that these elections were based on repression and intimidation, were held in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, violating the sovereignty of ukraine. mr. viktor, what does it mean if the western countries, the leaders of the western countries , do not recognize putin's legitimacy? it changes, that is, he is called the self-proclaimed president of the russian federation, or simply putin, as german diplomats say, we will not be his to be called the president, we will just say putin and everything, what consequences this can have and whether it will have, well, partially, after all, he will be partially recognized, yes, because

biden did not recognize, sidzenpin recognized, here he will put a stick in our wheels erdogan, because... look, putin didn't visit him before the elections, now putin is visiting erdogan, on a visit, and erdogan is the leader of a country that is a member of nato. plus, if orban admits it, for example, congratulates, or there is sijarto, for example, some contrived visit there, daroseyushki will make, and we will find that even the environment, if the countries were civilized. because turkey is a part of nato , it is considered a civilized country, but they , some admit it, some don't, and that's why it's good for us, if everyone is speaking there, not president putin, but just putin, yes, that's already cool, it’s already something, but no one

will speak, for example, neither scholz, nor macron, yes, the so-called president of russia, putin, or, as he says... that is, on the one hand, well, at least that’s why that before everyone recognized him as and said, mr. president, yes, now if they say there is no master and no president, but just putin, even if they add putin la-la-la, but it doesn’t matter, because there will be, ah... and the indian leader, well, no i know who, they also have re-elections there, who will be there, will also be there, indonesia will be there, and so on. mr. viktor, yesterday putin, after the preliminary results of these pseudo-elections were announced, said that he would

create a sanitary zone, if necessary, between ukraine and russia, well, it's him for the second time. publicly declares about this, about this the so-called sanitary zone, which would allow russia to avoid shelling, including weapons of foreign production, if there are long-range missiles, it is unlikely that this sanitary zone will help anything, of course, but it is obviously about the fact that along the eastern and northeastern borders they they want to make it some kilometer zone, a gray zone, which will allow them to control the border. sumyshchyna has been under massive shelling from the russians for the past few weeks, only for the past day, here are the official statistics of the regional military administration. 486 explosions, shelling of 46 settlements, more than 200 aerial bombs per week in the region , artillery and mortar attacks

on homes and civilian infrastructure, how do you assess what putin says about the creation of this sanitary zone and whether, in your opinion, there will be rehearsals for the creation of this sanitary zone sumachin? in donetsk region, in luhansk region , it looks like this is a gray area, it already exists, where simply, well, towns and villages have just been demolished, well, the day before yesterday, the center of piserivka was destroyed, we actually have 22 settlements in sumy region completely evicted, these are those in the five-kilometer zone, while children from the five-kilometer zone are forcibly evicted, and i think that this is the right thing for the state to do, because the children must be taken out, even if the parents... well, they don't want to and want to take risks their lives are further on, and i think that this is exactly what is being created, that is, they are now training for us, they are dropping cabs, i don’t know if

they are training the icemen so that they will drop a flight there under flight, yes, they are training, just trying , well, they have these 500-kilogram bombs in bulk, at least yes, and they are preparing these elements, well, when they launch them, they plan. yes, if they are flying there, they are already there , i spoke with igor lapin, he says there up to 80 km, well, we didn’t have any keyannytsia further, well, that is, but at least at 40-50 km they are definitely already dropping these bombs, that’s very a lot of bombs in sumy oblast in the last two months, that is, it is what putin said, it just fits into these frameworks, plus 5-7 km is where the mines reach and up to... 20 km where the artillery reaches, i have it feels like they are taking units from the front and those they are crossing, well to be reconciled, yes, when they replenish some of their batteries or mortar units, they

are simply brought here and they train, as if at the front of a lower intensity, because as a pedavdeyeva they received some kind of return it's not sweet either, but it's not... it's still not the same front as near avdiivka, although it's a full-fledged front just there with a lower intensity. sumyshchyna is 540 km from the border, it is the front. so, that is, i can say that now i am sitting with you, talking 30 km from the front. thank you, mr. viktor, take care, it was viktor boberenko, political expert, expert of the bureau of policy analysis. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are now. watch it live there, please vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether the world recognizes the legitimacy of putin after the pseudo-elections in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, yes,

no, or if you have your own opinion, please write in the comments , if you watch us broadcasts, if you believe that the world recognizes the legitimacy of putin, 0800-211-381, no 0800, 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have mykhailo gonchar, president of the strategy 21 center for global studies, expert on energy issues. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. let's start, mr. mykhailo, our conversation with the strikes of the ukrainian, ukrainian defense forces on the oil refining facilities of russia as a result of these... strikes, 15% of the entire oil refining potential was lost in russia, well , at least that's what bloomberg says, i don't know,

maybe a little more, and you know more about it than there are, because they call the figure of the existence of 88 oil refineries in russia , 38 are working, well, if 12 or 13 plants are damaged, then from those that are working, then they are damaged. i calculated 30%, well, bloomberg writes that 15% is damaged. how do you assess russia's potential, what have they lost, and explain to our viewers how catastrophic these losses are, or how serious these losses are for russia, and how quickly do they recover from this? ok, i'll try. well, the number of factories should not be impressive, because of course, when the numbers 72 or someone sound there. 78 calculated, then in principle these are the same plants, they are very different in terms of their capacity, there may be a plant that processes several

tens... tens of thousands of tons of oil in total, i.e. mini refineries, it is also in statistics, and there are such plants as omsk, for example, which processes 21 million tons of oil per year, it is the largest in russia, or from the same category there, say, ryazan, yaroslavsky, nizhnyhorodsky, these are large refineries that process somewhere under 20 million tons of oil there, so to speak. the higher league , but there is a conditionally first league, which processes up to 10 million tons there, and so on, mainly here it is important to pay attention to what, one way or another, they are mainly concentrated in the european part of russia, that is, in the reach zone already of our means of destruction, and here it is very characteristic that our drones have already appeared in samara, this is a very... important

point, because samara is essentially, if this is the main russian oil hub, and it has already flown there, a lot of everything oil is concentrated there, not only oil refineries, but also, accordingly, valet tank parks and so on, for storing both oil and oil products, and therefore, in principle , the damage is serious, but of course , i wouldn't consider it to be some kind of fatal damage, to destroy an oil refinery and... to damage it are different things, when many people think of them as synonymous words, they are not, because destroying a refinery that has a large area, several dozen or even hundreds of hectares , well, it is necessary, so to speak, to carry out a massive air raid there by a tactical aviation brigade and iron it out for a long time, so to speak, but we are talking about the fact that really

surgically precise blows are inflicted on technology with the means of defeat, drones oil refining, and in this context , of course, we see different numbers there, they say, there is a 15% drop, there, someone calls a more modest figure, well, for example, 12.60x, i myself calculated prorosnefti, for example, compared to daily, with daily volume. in january and so on the first two weeks of march, i.e. a drop of about 12.6%, this is due to rosneft plants, well, bloomberg is obviously there, maybe they had a more panoramic picture, so if these are really serious losses, and we can see from the reaction in the russian media and social networks , what if the problem that affected...

invaded russia not only from the point of view of such a negative image of burning oil refineries for them, that is, the fact that a ban on its export of gasoline until august 1 was introduced, it is quite telling, e-quite well, here the situation is like this, when they talk about a drop in the amount of processing, well, if as a result of processing, at least three main types of petroleum products are obtained, which are widely used. this is gasoline, this is diesel fuel and, strictly speaking , jet fuel, and of course, the largest and most widespread product of processing and from the point of view of production, from the point of view of consumption is diesel fuel, there are fewer gasolines, and in russia the specifics of oil refining are related with the fact that on diesel, if they have

discomfort due to arrivals. ukrainian drones, and for gasoline, if the situation were more serious, if they have a relative maneuver from the point of view of replacing the lack of diesel fuel there at the expense of supplies there, say, from those oil refineries located more deeply there and in the asian part of russia there, and let's say the same omsk oil refinery, but petrols do not have such maneuverability. that is, the damage there, let's say, and the technical problems at the nizhny novgorod oil refinery, they sharply reduced the volume of gasoline production, and accordingly, this was the reason why a ban on the export of gasoline was immediately introduced in russia, because here we can see the situation with the price increase, it is as crippling as