and naval drones and the so-called mosquito fleet are only a partial solution to the problem, it is a question of defense, but there is also the question of offensive, the question of offensive involves the blockade of the enemy near his, his coast, action as part of associations or combinations of allied forces, i.e. together with nato ships to be at sea, a lot of time, to carry out some tasks here, and also ... in the mediterranean after the end of the war, so this is a look at the perspective of the future, no drones, no unmanned systems for this, well, unsuitable, that's clear , because this tool is an effective weapon, yes, but only a means, they cannot display the flag of ukraine where necessary, they cannot act together as part of an international, let's say, coalition under the auspices of the un or the european union or nato. well, it is clear

, but the interests of the same, the same nato, let's say, the united nations, the european union, they are not only in the black and azov seas, which are important for us, but also outside the borders, therefore every country, a member of these , let's say, blocs, or international organizations must allocate certain forces, means for... performing such tasks, ukraine, by the way, was involved in international operations, in international operations against pirates off the coast of somalia, the frigate hetman sagaidachi, let me remind you, went there in december 2013 and returned to odessa after crimea was captured in march 2014.

well, accordingly, this is such an expensive pleasure , the fleet is such, well, a precious thing, but it is necessary, and money must be invested in it, ukraine is preparing such opportunities in advance, i would like to remind you that there is also a naval coalition, which primarily provides for the transfer of minesweepers to us, these are two ships of the type british, british- made senddown and more. two ships from the european union - that's the netherlands and belgium, well, but that's a little later, they will take part in demining, because it's an urgent need for the black sea to free and secure the paths and approach fairways near our ports, and this, let's say, work for years, not in vain , nato countries, black sea countries, black sea nato countries. china, bulgaria and romania

created such an anti-mine coalition, which has been working for a month, and to which we should join, but unfortunately we do not have the opportunity yet, our ships, which we have already received, which are in great britain, chernihiv and cherkasy, which have already raised the ukrainian flags, but until the end of the hostilities between russia and ukraine, they cannot pass the bosphorus strait, that 's the way it is written. in the montreux convention, this is how the question looks like. mr. volodymyr, it may look a little strange now, but i will ask the following question: in principle, this war, it changes everything, it changes tactics, strategy, drones appeared there, as such an important part of the war, so what, and of course , we see that and the fleet will change, and now in... ukraine

is actually building the fleet of the future, actually from scratch, well, yes, let's go, well, almost like that, it is, probably, tell me if i'm not right, but it looks like this to me, and i don't know what , in the future, when crimea returns to ukraine, the black sea and azov fleets of ukraine should be, what ships should be there, whether there should be aircraft carriers, whether there should be any others there, i don't know. you can see that the ships that will have the opportunity to go there through the bosphorus and take part in some public actions there with nato, etc., that is, if you look 10-20 years ahead, what do you see? if we talk about the future, well, the fleet development strategy has been approved, so far there are no changes in it, i don’t see, uh, that is, we are in the first stage of uh...

we are going through the defense of our own coasts, that is, countering the enemy, and this, we are successfully completing this task, the next will be possible... to operate in the black sea in full, that is, the presence of such platforms that will allow us to act, not just strike with forces drones, but also act as part of an international coalition that can perform other tasks, not only a war with russia, there can be other peacekeeping operations , etc. , etc. will fall apart, then we cannot rule out issues of peacekeeping operations in the same caucasus, well , this is a well-known thing in such situations, then

the third stage is actions outside the black sea, which we have already talked about, as an example we can look at here is such an interesting fact: after finland and sweden became nato members, the baltic sea turned into a nato sea, relatively speaking, yes, but for some reason the poles laid down in january, started building frigates, a frigate for the baltic sea is nonsense, then everything is shot at there, even closer , than in the black sea, but they are building frigates, the first frigate they laid down, they called it viher with a pump there, well... an old ship, they want to build three in general, they spent a lot of money on modernizing their shipyard, in gdańsk, gdynia, i'm sorry, and it would seem, well, why frigates in the baltic

sea, they are there, and by the way, the polish opposition here says, so what, how is this, this is a waste, and nothing like that, polish frigates operate within the limits... of the combined naval forces of nato, in the mediterranean sea, in the indian ocean, by the way, in the persian gulf, well, it is known in the atlantic, and only ships that can stay in a remote area for a long time, i.e. , have the appropriate qualities of anti-aircraft , should operate there , well, it's stormy weather and so on, it's the drones of it they won't do it, and by the way, our corvettes won't do it either, the corvettes will be able to at most. to be in the mediterranean sea, they are small ships, so that we understand, and i do not rule out that in the future we will still need frigates, one or two in order to serve as part of such

units of units, plus anti-mine minesweepers, which actually already exist, and which ones will perform such tasks as part of a special nato mine anti-mine squad. he is constantly active, he is constantly at all trainings that were held by invitation ukraine in the series of sis in the black sea, they constantly participated and constantly carried out combat trawling, that is, they looked for mines from the past war and always found them, it was not always written about, but it is a fact, after this war, especially after the takhov mine was blown up dam, er, well, i don't know how many... mines ended up in the black sea far from the theater of operations, not only mines, which, let's say, bottom mines, which, well, they lie at the bottom, moved and that's it, and those that were anchor mines, they were torn from the anchors,

and from time to time they are found near the coast of romania, near the coast of bulgaria, turkey, and we certainly do not forget about remote mining, which russia seems to be engaged in. federation in order to make it difficult for us in every possible way for civil shipping, where we are interested in it, from the ports of great odesa, according to the countries that need our grain and not only. thank you very much, yes, you are absolutely right, i cannot but agree with you, very nice. thank you, mr. volodymyr, thank you for such a professional comment, worth its weight in gold, simply: volodymyr zablotsky, defense express naval expert and captain of the first morning. retired was in touch with us, now we will take a short break, of course, and remember what happened 10 years ago, what is happening right now in the russian federation and , unfortunately, in the ukrainian crimea as well, and putin is elected there once again , everything they can,

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sunday at 10:10 a.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky on espresso. the joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel continues its work . the president, because, well, once again electing putin, reappointing putin, enthroning , how else can you say it, it's so ridiculous, you know, in principle, it's ridiculous from the point of view, if you consider it as some kind of procedure democratic, it's funny, but from the point of view of the occupation, it's not funny, and because they... they've been putting this dust in their eyes for quite a long time, and some in the west, especially the agents are corrupt or

just such leftists, they believe. i remember how, immediately after the so-called referendum, a ten-year-old miracle, mustafa dzhemilev said that according to his data, about 34% of those who were registered as voters in crimea, and we remember we say that dead souls voted there, all that other stuff, but not even in ukraine at that time everyone believed mustafa dzhemilev, because there was such a myth that in crimea everyone was much more for russia, and even some people, well, supposedly patriotically said, well, they did, they all loved russia there, this is not true, this is a lie, and then there is given by the atp tv channel, we can show it to anyone for a few minutes. before the closing of the so-called polling stations , our film crew filmed and filmed

there were transparent ballot boxes, and it was clear that the data that the participants said there, the so-called election commission, and what was simply seen there in three times less at the bottom of these urns, and this is all documented and we constantly refute this myth, but it lives in reality. in many and helps them, well, actually fool the world to their advantage. now it is more difficult, but still they manage something. you know what i wanted to say, mind you, khrystia, on something that despite all the appeals there, even there by navalny's wife, who says: don't recognize him as the president, he killed my husband, so what, well, in general, in principle, well, this the only thing she's said that's smart in all this time, yeah but we see. that the west jumps, jumps on the rake, as in the past, all the past times, that is

, the past presidential elections, i am the so-called russian russia, i heard exactly such rhetoric, there is the west, well, put the united states, germany, the european union there, it does not recognize the elections of the president of the russian federation in the occupied territories of ukraine, that is, in fact, if you translate it... from diplomatic, political language to normal, we recognize putin as the officially elected president of the russian federation, period, no one can be misled such wording, because it means, yes, to us, we cannot say that these elections are fair, and even the head of the council of europe, charles michel , wrote such a post, ironic, ironic, i would like to congratulate. putin with a convincing victory in the elections , which today begin without opposition, without freedom, without

choice, it is so beautiful, like a performance by a humorist, probably there, if you still smile in some place, but in fact it means the political inability of the west to face the truth and to say that they faced the truth when they were the last lukashenka's election, and they said: "no, you are already an illegally elected president, we don't think so." you are the elected president, we consider another person elected, and you are not, illegitimate, right? and in the case of putin, there is fear, and it can be seen just by... the way they react in advance, recognize this election, that is, it's an absolute lie, it's just a lie in form, it's just hypocrisy, and it's a lie in essence, i will explain very simply: in russia , there is a single, first and only district for the so-called presidential elections, the so-called federal district, which was simply joined by the occupied,

temporarily occupied ukrainian territories cannot be separated in this way. which they will draw or receive from the general public, that is, this is the same deception of the west, you already say, either you, he is illegitimate and that’s the point, or you, well, that is, it’s impossible, it’s just so hypocritical, i thought, i hoped yes, i had about one percent that they would say this time, well, it is enough to pretend that he is legitimate, no, the old rake, and all actions are completely fake, as it was, unfortunately, when there were last elections. in fact, the west could take advantage of this, if they had a real curiosity, not to recognize putin as the legitimate president of the russian federation, the ukrainian regions are included in what is now called the russian constitution, could become, you know, a kind of

poison needle in a good way for us , and in the end we can already talk about the fact that... that you have a constitution of toilet paper, you wrote the hell out of us there, would you like to add some maldives to yourself, dear disrespectful, you are absolutely right, christ, it was supposed to become a lever of influence , a lever of recognition of illegitimacy, but now putin is like this, he is a bandit like that, he says, you are there again, something you are there to me, those about occupied territories, it is, it is mine, all i took , this is mine, it is always limited, and here in our constitution, our actions correspond , but what about us, but now we have martial law, and we have a president, and political leadership, and terms of office, and what is the constitution, and is it possible it is worth going to the constitutional court for clarification, and a democracy, even one as young as ours, really limited, you know what, i have an idea , i don't know, maybe someone will hear us, maybe

they won't, but i think that we shouldn't wait for the reaction of the west, he never does anything, well, for him so far... so conditionally pearl harbor did not happen, they will not change anything in their attitude towards putin, they will condemn , they will be there, i don't know, say something, but de facto, that is, more precisely, where yura, they will recognize, recognize him as the president of the so-called russian federation, well , for future negotiations of some kind, for some contracts there, although it is understandable absolutely, that no one will believe putin's signature under any contract, and no one will become a real mediator and guarantor of this. that's why ukraine may have to take such a step after the results of these elections, a very simple step, to submit to some international court, institution, i don't know, our lawyers, maybe in the ministry of foreign affairs more clearly, well, definitely more clearly, about the recognition of vladimir putin as an illegitimate head of state, because of that that

the votes of ukrainians were taken into account in his so-called elections. who live in the territories occupied by russia, which are not legally recognized as russian territories, and because of this, through legal procedure, judicial or judicial or whatever, to declare him illegitimate as a representative of so -called russia. well, a little about how the so-called presidential elections of the russian federation are taking place in crimea, about how all this is happening against the background of successive waves of detentions and oppression. representatives of the crimean tatar people, just ukrainians who continue to live in crimea, trying to lead a banal everyday life, all this is the focus of our attention with guyana yuksel, journalist, member of the assembly of the crimean tatar people. gayano, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good day. salam aleikum. a few words about what we know about the voting process in crimea, from my

sources, budget officials are being chased away, as always. require them to arrange almost photo sessions of ballots with ticks for the recommended candidate, we understand who we are talking about, well, more intelligent people take photos and put a few more ticks there in parallel, in this way, hoping that the ballot will be damaged, not taken into account and so on further, but in the end, when it prevented the russian federation from acting as they usually act and something was not taken into account, i want to ask mrs. guyana, what is the position? it must be officially announced to the midzhlis of the crimean tatar people, maybe it was already published, i just didn't notice what people in the occupied territories should do with these so-called elections, how to react to them? and what to do or do nothing? please. thank you for your question. well, in fact, the position of the midjlis has remained unchanged for 10 years

occupation if you remember, march 15, on the eve of the so-called crimean referendum, which you mentioned in your speech. the mijlis appealed to all residents of crimea, regardless of nationality, not to participate in the illegal referendum. during the 10 years of occupation in... there were elections, there were also elections of president putin, because this is a no-no election of the president of the russian federation, the next election of president putin, just like now, there were also local elections, and the position of the majlis in this context remains unchanged , in none case not to take part in these illegal actions, because the territory is occupied, the territory is not recognized, and actually conducting illegal actions in the occupied territory... by ukraine and the world is a crime, is a reason to consider the candidates and the elected candidate illegitimate, so i i think that

there will be clarifications in the near future, and in principle they are, but the position is unchanged, in no case do not take, do not participate. ugh. mrs. gayanova, please tell me, lately we have been monitoring, well, simply... the invigoration of the russian special services, precisely russians, who were very often driven to crimea, because the locals stopped at one point, to somehow cope with their repressive functions, those locals who agreed to cooperate with the occupier in this way, and we now see a huge number of searches, act mainly according to our observations of religious motives, national, ethnic characteristics and belonging. and what are they trying to incline to, or what are they trying to push for, when we talk about the crimean tatar people as a whole, both in

crimea, and those who remained, and those who are now carries out on the territory of free ukraine, what is called representation, people's representation within the boundaries of the ukrainian state, they do not want to bend to anything, they want to intimidate once again. scare, emphasize your position once again, here you understand what the question is, i was recently on the air, which was dedicated to such a sad date as 10 years of the occupation of crimea, and there they asked whether it is possible to separate some waves in the repression against the crimean tatars, well in fact , it is difficult to call it waves or stages, which has been observed for 10 years, this constant pressure, constant repression against the ethnic... people of ukraine precisely for their position, precisely for the position of not recognizing crimea as russian. but what is important is that against the background of a full-scale invasion, pressure

and repression intensified. well, first of all, the mobilization, the illegal mobilization that was announced in russia, and accordingly crimea, as de facto, being under the control of the russian federation, fell under this event, it led to... mass migration from crimea, now we announce the number of 50,000 crimean tatars who have left for 10 years left the territory of crimea, i want to say that no such studies have been conducted and, in principle, they are now impossible, because we simply de facto do not have access to the occupied territory, but if this is so, it is simply a terrible figure, 300,000 representatives of the crimean tatar people lived in crimea. and now, if 50,000 have already left crimea, and pay attention, young people are leaving, whole, young people who are not afraid of new conditions, new,

so to speak, circumstances, then this is simply a terrible number, and besides, against the background of full-scale invasion, for the last two years, in principle , it was in the crimea, but now it has intensified, what exactly, snooping, denunciations, various on... popular movements like the crimean smerz, and crimea has already turned into such, you know, a small model of the soviet union in 1937, in this context, i.e., full-blown snobbery, denunciations against the crimean tatars for everything, not only for their civic position, not only for their activities, or there thoughts, for the music that people use, for the symbols. for the various mentions of historical persons who are related as follows or otherwise with the history of ukraine, that is, there is pressure and repression for everything, and

they are the second main feature. now they are going with arrests, with roundups, with searches of those whom they, well, conditionally speaking, conditionally speaking, for eight years have been pestering, but not so much, now they have intensified all this again, they have come to the crimean tatar lawyers, to emilya kurbedynova, citizen journalists, ludvia zudieva, are constantly coming, and now it has increased to representatives of the royal system, the midjlis. idem dodakov, ugh, other representatives, again they pressurize and carry out repressions against the heads of religious communities, because who is the head of a religious community in their own, and elsewhere, these are leaders, these are people who are able to gather people around themselves, so we have very little time left, but i have to ask, and the russians also revived some information

campaign. about the fact that, look , in fact, the crimean tatar people are with us, they are completely satisfied with the russian occupation, and even, they even record some videos, allegedly from which of the mouths, allegedly of a representative of the crimean tatars people, because i don't know this for sure, there is support for the russian occupier, these are , let's say, isolated cases of betrayal, which also happen among ukrainians, and among them, in principle , this is normal. the situation during the war , unfortunately, are these rare, as they say, people who pretend to be crimean tatars, well, the fact that russian propaganda is working there at full speed, so to speak, at full speed and full percentages, is perfectly understandable, i.e. not normal, but understandable, they have been doing it for 10 years, but you know, i want to point out attention, i don't know how much time we have left, i like statistics and facts, because

one thing is relation. and some kind of emotional state, but completely different indicators, let 's take 10 years of occupation, the russian federation came there and declared that for 23 years you had nothing, you didn't feel anything, ukraine didn't care about you, didn't do anything. the question arises: what did the occupiers do, what specific projects did the occupiers do for the crimean tatars during these ten years, that is 10 years, not a year, not two, not a few months, 10 years. let's take it specifically. "the cathedral mosque in simferopol is a ukrainian project, the multi-ethnic cultural center at the crimean engineering and pedagogical university, which they completed, is a ukrainian project, the so-called school of the four presidents is a ukrainian project, museums , schools, national, university, theater, that's all ukrainian projects, the only thing they can show us is a monument to the victims of deportation in the town of suren, the village of suren."

bakchasarai, there really was a station where crimean tatars were collected, but again, when we were in crimea, and we will return there, we always said that such monuments should be on main roads, in main central places, because everyone should know about the tragedy of the indigenous people, or somewhere in the village, yes, where only those who know about these memories can go, you understand, i understand, i still want to sum up all that you said, all that. in principle positive, which was initiated during the time of ukraine's control over crimea, i would still like to say that with the legal status of the mejalis of the crimean tatar people in the end, it would be good for the ukrainian state to somehow decide and fix it, i really hope that we will talk about it separately, there is a law on indigenous peoples and it must already be implemented and implemented, that is , it must be proven, thank you, thank you

gayana yuksel, journalist and member. we say goodbye to our viewers for a short time until next saturday, stay with us.