the maximum air temperature will fluctuate within 5° of heat. such is the outlook for tomorrow, and i want to please you so that you still live in anticipation of real spring weather, on the weekend in most regions of ukraine good weather will prevail, such a non-synoptic expression, there will be little precipitation, more sun and a fairly high air temperature. good weather to all, as always. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program.

putin's legitimacy. after the pseudo-elections, russia may be declared a sponsor of terrorism. results of the visit of republican lin seagram to kyiv. air war. this year, russia dropped more than 3,500 aerial bombs on ukrainian positions. how tangible can the ukrainian response be with drones? the chinese factor. putin is going to beijing, and xi jinping is flying to paris. under what conditions can china participate in the upcoming peace summit? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine iryna herashchenko, aviation expert valery romanenko and diplomat volodymyr yelchenko. in the second part of our program, which will start literally in an hour, we will have people's deputies of ukraine, oleksiy kucherenko, fedir vienislavskyi and iryna friz. however, before starting ours. old conversation,

i suggest you watch the video of how the wings of the 103rd tro brigade were destroyed by the crew of the russian bmp as a result of a drone strike, it has detonated the bull and the bmp tore it to pieces. let's see. in the course of our program, we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today, friends, about this, do we recognize, does the united states of america recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism? yes, no, it's quite simple on youtube if you... have your

answer, please write in the comments if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the united states of america they recognize russia as a sponsor, the state as a sponsor of terrorism 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, we are interested to know your opinion, and we have our first guest on the phone, this is... iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation of the verkhovna rada, ex-authorized on peaceful settlement in donbas. ms. irina, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening to all viewers of spresso. well, since we ask our viewers and viewers about whether on their opinion, the united states of america recognizes russia as a state sponsor of terrorism , i will ask you about this as well, it would be the right

decision, but it is clear that ukraine also needs to work on this, and i want to say that i am very worried about the fact that today , our dialogue with the congress is actually frozen, including because of the wrongful actions of the speaker of the verkhovna rada, who is blocking the inter-parliamentary dialogue. we need to work very seriously today so that congress unblocks the financial and military. queue of aid to ukraine, obviously everything now rests on a heated election campaign in the united states, but personal communication with republicans, congressmen, and senators shows that then the chances of unblocking the vote on aid and other decisions concerning russia are increasing, and it also seems to me that today we need to work very actively with all the countries of the world regarding putin's illegitimacy, sorry. if

the world did not recognize lukashenko as president because the elections in russia in belarus were undemocratic, then the situation in russia is even worse. putin, all his opponents. potential either dead, killed, or they are in prisons , the opposition is suppressed there, there is no state duma , there were clowns like slutskov on the ballots, and putin was elected this time not just in the occupied territories, in crimea, in donetsk region, in luhansk region, he was elected on the bones of ukrainians , in mariupol, in the occupied parts of the kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, donetsk, luhansk regions, my heart breaks before this and... when i read the statements of our partners on the european side, the european union, the united states of america has already made a statement regarding the illegitimacy of the elections in the occupied territories, that's right, but it's an insufficient reaction, mrs. irina, you mentioned

the illegitimacy of putin and the fact that most of the leaders of western countries are already talking about the fact that we will call him putin, and not the president. american republican senator lynsey graham is initiating a bill to recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, which should make secondary sanctions more meaningful, as he said, and he also talked about putin's illegitimacy. he was in kyiv yesterday and after yesterday's meeting with the president zelensky literally said the following. let's listen. first of all, with regard to the election of putin , it is illegitimate, he is not a legitimate president, he leads a terrorist state, so my response to his election, when i return to washington, will be to introduce

a bill declaring russia a state sponsor of terrorism under american law, because it is so. i will appeal to the biden administration to recognize russia. obviously, like the first question, regarding the recognition of russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, as well as regarding the non-recognition of putin's legitimacy, if it is adopted in washington, then obviously the majority of countries, first of all, will obey those decisions that relate to the law that russia is... a sponsor of terrorism, well, the non-recognition of putin's legitimacy as president by the americans, whatever did it mean for other states and for other leaders? and one can only welcome such a statement by the republican mr. graham, who actually

visited kyiv yesterday, met with the president's office, with president zelenskyi, and with deputies, and it is interesting that parliamentarians were present at these meetings... how representatives of the government and the opposition, this is, you know, a good lesson for the ukrainian government that our foreign partners see the diversity of ukraine and communicate with representatives of all political forces. we welcome this statement by graham, but i want to remind you that, unfortunately, graham, like other representatives of the republican party, did not support it. aid to ukraine, when these votes were going on last fall in the congress and in the senate, in fact, this is a big problem, because we welcome the initiation of such a law regarding that russia should be recognized as a state sponsor

of terrorism, but this debate will continue for several months, and the ukrainian military needs help today, the situation at the front is very serious, and this is exactly what ivana klympushtyn for... the representative of our political force, who participated in the meeting with mr. graham, i spoke very frankly with him, and it seems to me that at this time it is very important that our american partners, representatives of the republican party, vote those laws that are ready for decision. second, you are absolutely right, and in the statement it is mr. graham it was said that there is a problem with sanctions. we have seen for two years that russia has... learned to bypass them through third countries to obtain dual-use goods that are used in the military industry. we will be grateful to the united states, which uses all its tools to block this circumvention of sanctions. but the last remark, today there is

a correct signal from the european union, which finally noticed that during these two years, russia and belarus continue to trade grain very actively with the european union. and they promised that quotas would be introduced from next month in order to stop such exports in russia, and this is not normal when it is so scary in the third year. war in the 11th year of the war, in general , russia continues to be a trading partner of the civilized world, it must be stopped precisely because of economic sanctions, so that russia does not have money for the war. ms. irina, why do you think the west, the leaders of western countries, do not have a single opinion on what to do with putin and putin's russia, and first of all, russia is indeed nuclear. putin's country, even after his pseudo-voting , his re-election for a sixth term there, he began

to threaten the use of nuclear weapons there again, and it is obvious that the world is reacting to this, but it is very surprising that the world still has not realized that it is necessary to talk with russia, with putin's russia only in the language of force, who could have believed there 3 years ago that putin would bomb kyiv and other peaceful cities of ukraine, but this is a reality today. and it is obvious that if it is not stopped now, now, and for this we urge our american partners not to wait there for the easter holidays, to vote anyway this help to the armed forces of ukraine, putin will go further, he will be absolutely realistic about a russian attack on nato countries, the baltic states or poland, and it seems to me that this fear is not fully aware of the extent to which russia is a threat, but... you know, this fear that russia will fall apart, and what will happen there, continues to force the leaders of western countries to play

appeasement of the aggressor. and lastly, i would not talk only about putin. in fact, these so-called elections in russia were essentially a plebiscite for putin in support of the war ukraine. despite the fact that we understand that the numbers were attributed there, that the dead, and the living, and the unborn voted there, and yet, well... many russians, actually the majority of russians, they like putin, he really is their president , they believe that russia is putin, and therefore, in fact , these so-called elections became a plebiscite of support for the war in ukraine for putin, and all russians who came to the polling stations are fellow students, and they cannot realize this our western partners, they are really looking for some good russians, some liberals, which do not exist there in nature, ours. everyone's task is to convey to our partners that russia must be punished, that they are

fellow students, and this must be stopped only by tough sanctions, well, that is, when the russians voted, those who voted for putin, they voted for war, i understand correctly, absolutely , we are well aware that whether the russians want war, they want it, they support it, they rejoice in the destruction of peaceful ukrainian cities. villages, they know everything that happens here, when they will lie there, that we did not know, this is not true, and they support aggression, they profess chauvinistic imperial policy, they continue to treat all other nationalities, peoples, countries, nations with superiority, and this superiority, this imperialism, this chauvinistic absolute, xenophobic russia, it must be stopped. over the past few weeks. we see how the position of the leaders of western europe is changing, first emmanuel macron

started talking about what we need to think about, what to do next, and maybe we will have to send french troops to ukraine, at first with half hints, then someone in the press poured this information about what he said about it, then he said that we won't attack anybody, but if we need to help... we will help , at the same time we see like germany, even though they don't provide long-range taurus missiles to ukraine , but they say that it is not possible to freeze the conflict with the russian federation now, german foreign minister anna lene berbock unequivocally rejected the call to freeze russia's aggressive war against ukraine, in view of the latest un report on the russian military crimes in the occupied territories. let's listen.

if you read this report, i think you will never talk about a possible freeze on the conflict again, because the report makes it clear what a freeze means for all the people who are suffering every day and especially every night from russian oppression and russian violence, today from there was information that one of the summits at... the upcoming summits of the eu leaders, to be held on march 20-21, will be devoted to the actual transfer of the european economy to military rails, about the fact that it is necessary to produce more weapons , to help... ukraine, according to your observations, how is the rhetoric and main actions of the leaders of european countries changing, and do they realize that this year will be a decisive year for ukraine and for the future of europe? i think that after all, the spirit of the american elections has a very serious effect on the position of our european

partners, including macron, which is obvious today. for such european leadership, but in the countries of the european union there is a realization that if, for example, trump's victory, the position of the united states regarding support for ukraine may change , but we can see that when the breath of the election campaign is already affecting the vote in the congress and slowing down the provision of ukraine that we need. military aid today, and this very realization forces european leaders to revise their view of what, what should be the position of european countries, this war is going on in the center of europe, russia is not making a single step, not a single push, not a single gesture

that it is ready stop at these its aggressive intentions, europe has... in the same way that ukraine's resources are very limited, and human resources, economic resources, and military resources, and time, unfortunately, is playing against russia. i do not get tired of repeating in communication with our european partners when such an opportunity arises, because, unfortunately, today we have a complete backlash from the chairman of the verkhovna rada and the office of the president, when the inter-parliamentary activity of deputies is blocked, well, so important today, but we emphasize, that... time is playing against russia, russia has an unlimited human resource there, they do not reckon with their losses, unfortunately, they are rebuilding their economy there, and if ukraine does not stand up, if we run out of resources, then nato countries, european union countries will be next. this realization may be starting to come to the europeans and

they are starting to change their position on helping ukraine, but... at the same time , it's really happening very slowly, we see that, well, for example, german chancellor scholz is not ready to provide those long-range weapons , which would could, for example, change the situation at the front today, although my observations regarding the change, yes, the nature of the war, indicate that we really need more... drones and drones in general, the modernization of these drones, the electronic warfare system, it will determine the nature of the war in the coming months, therefore it is important here to actually make serious decisions about the modernization of our military equipment, and for now, as a parliament, we can get from the government, even an answer to the question,

how much anyway drones were delivered to parts, what are these drones, and is it really... the funds that were allocated from the budget for the purchase of drones went for these purposes, and the situation with this is very serious. mrs. iryna, you already mentioned what was happening in the parliament a week ago, or not a week ago, five days ago on thursday, a meeting was held, one decision was adopted there, before that the parliament did not work for three weeks, well, you mean in the session regime, yaroslav zheleznyak says that there is a parliamentary crisis in the verkhovna rada, does he agree? you with this statement, well, with us exactly a management crisis, and we see that in principle the chairman of the verkhovna rada and the presidium , according to the constitution, they have very clearly written powers, this is the organization of the work of the parliament, unfortunately, today we have a speaker who is not able to organize the work of the parliament, because his work - these are plenary

meetings, this is to organize a question hour for the government, this is to ensure in... the announcement of parliamentary requests, this is simply to form together with the conciliation committee the agenda that will be relevant for the challenges of the present time, well, we see an absolute problem with this, and you know, i am ashamed of the fact that the majority, who gather there once every three weeks, are not able to sit in the hall for more than two hours, they have, excuse me, diarrhea, after two hours there is no more the fact that there are 226 and 170 votes, i don't know, maybe someone is giving pills to the deputies so that they stay in the hall, you know, don't run away in two hours, this is all very inadequate, and i don't think that this is a parliamentary crisis, but ... but the management crisis and the crisis of the servant of the people faction, and how to get out of this situation? there is only one way out, and it's early they will come to it late, without it nothing

will happen, it is a reformatting of the majority. if there are not 226 votes for any vote, it must be honestly recognized, the majority must be reformatted, it is true that then the government will have to be reformatted, but this is the salvation of the country. and the last thing, you know, if, ah, the chairman of the verkhovna rada is his, well... he sees more as his allies not the democratic factions, but the upzh, because they always put their shoulders to the most stupid vote, then this is also a diagnosis, this is a diagnosis , thank you, mrs. iryna, it was iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, take part in our vote, we are asking you today about such whether the united states recognizes. america russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. yes, no, everything is quite simple. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. if you believe that the united states of america recognizes

russia as a state sponsor of terrorism 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. it is important for us to know your opinion. next, we have valery romanenko, aviation officer, on the call. expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. yes, thank you for the invitation, good evening. mr. valery, let's start our conversation with the statement of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrsky, who stated that his the priority task in this position is the development of the use of unmanned systems. technologies and manufacturability are the key to our superiority over the enemy. mr. syrskyi wrote on his facebook page. unmanned systems occupy a prominent place here, so the development of the use of unmanned systems is

my priority. in the armed forces of ukraine , my deputy hero of ukraine, colonel vadym sukharevskyi, is responsible for this direction. together with him, we are working on accelerating the implementation of innovative technological solutions and ensuring institutional stability and adaptability of certain bodies of military command of the forces of mr. valery, the current war differs from all previous ones in terms of the use of drones, as well as systems that allow hitting critical infrastructure objects and military infrastructure objects at a long distance, including 1000 km away from us , how do you look at this big direction, which is... marked by syrian and the direction that everyone has been talking about for a long time, about the fact that in almost every apartment there should be people sitting and soldering these

drones in order to gain an advantage over russia, or is it supposed to be , there must be some large production facilities that will allow us to gain an advantage over the russians in the sky, well your question is multi-faceted, so i... i'll try this , i understand that the ether is not infinite, in order to realize these advantages, yes, technological advantages, we must first of all develop our own defense, defense industrial complex, yes, we must produce what we are going to impress with, so far we only have , here are the russians they showed the use of unmanned aerial vehicles such as the ruly with a long range, they wrote to us that the range is 100 km and the warhead is 50 kg, this is so far the first means that we are able to really inflict serious damage

on enemy objects deep in their rear, that's all, more we don't have anything serious, all the badgers, all the burglars there, these are means only to inflict, so to speak , some tangible blows with a needle. unpleasant for the enemy, but not so deadly, they work well on, say, oil and gas facilities industry, but also oil refining facilities, but unfortunately, they are not able to destroy the enemy, for example, factories, besides, well, now let's go down ourselves, we are at the very top, yes, the most complex systems, and nothing else, yes, i will say more , that there is nothing more than that, except... we don't have drones yet, even to hit the temporarily occupied territory of crimea, we have very limited capabilities in terms of cruise missiles, we

just have them. to put it mildly, it is not enough, as well as the carriers, to simultaneously launch a serious such launch of missiles on, for example, ten facilities to overwhelm enemy air defenses, now going down to drones, to quadcopters, that is fpv drones, yes, well, we've made a million of these drones, half of them, if not 3/4 , hit the enemy trench reb and just in. .. like leaves in autumn, probably still need to work on more complex drones that cannot be made in the kitchen, but still need to do something like this somewhere, collect the components of those leaves, but carefully justify them only so to speak, well, although b enterprises of the workshop type, where there is equipment, where there is experts who are able to configure them, flash

them the way they need to be useful, because the feedback from the army people, they say, yes, give us two cool drones there, instead of 10 that will fall from the smallest rap, that is, we must also approach this very carefully, and most importantly, you and i must gain an advantage from the enemy in the means of radio-electronic warfare and means of overcoming it, this is the most important object, we will overcome the enemy's reb. or suppress it, then we will have an open gate for striking without unnecessary losses of our resources damage denys shmyhal, the prime minister of ukraine, while in luxembourg, he said that we are waiting for long-range weapons, and he mentioned the production of ukrainian drones, let's listen to what mr. shmyhal said. we also. we count on the supply

of long- and medium-range missiles to reduce russian logistics in the occupied territories, this is also very important for us, as well as artillery shells, but from our side we are not standing still, we are moving forward with the production of ukrainian drones with ukrainian artillery and ukrainian military equipment in all these areas. mr. valery, to what extent are the technological and technical and... scientific capabilities that ukraine now possesses allow it to partially create new technologies and apply them on the battlefield. well, not so much yet, we see that neptune, well, cruise missiles, neptune in the version for work on the ground, yes over land, well, so far we have not heard about them, about thunder, our

ballistic missiles a... logs of russian iskanders , well, but with a shorter range, you can't hear anything yet either, and here too, well, that's it of course, in general, our enterprises are loaded with the production of what we can produce, yes, and there is simply not enough strength for new developments, because these are high-tech developments that require very serious capital investments, as well as serious research, technical, scientific research, but all this is possible it would be crazy. in a near foreign country, and i think that it would make sense to take the actual designers to the nearest countries, and organize large-scale production of them there, and carry out assembly and debugging, yes, already conduct in ukraine, then we would have free hands, for example, we could put on our neptunes put ready

missile guidance and re-guidance systems on... on the terminal segment, for example, from scalp missiles with the shadow cheat, that would be behind, well or if we have time to develop our own similar systems, then just make them abroad, it will be easier, conclude some contracts with companies that generally produce such things, yes, it would significantly speed up and simplify our work, but you see what our pace is , we are even lousy, sorry, shaheda could not in a year and a half, only now information has appeared that we have human drones working, well, let's see how many and to what extent they are, so, well, they are impressive, they really fly to the objects, so so far we have had success in this regard you can express the word modest, yes, but so modest, but how did it happen, mr. valery, that ukraine has always been a missile state, well, before, at least.