11 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. people's deputies of ukraine are visiting us today. fedir vinislavskyi, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, member of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence. mr. fedor, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. glory to heroes. iryna friz, people's deputy of ukraine from europeisk. of solidarity, member of the verkhovna rada committee on national security and defense and intelligence. ms. irina, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the batkivshchyna faction, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on energy and housing and communal affairs . mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. greetings, good evening, we are equally happy. well, since we, ladies and gentlemen, are asking our viewers. viewers about whether they

think the united states recognizes russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, and we ask this for a reason, because american republican senator lynsey graham, who was in kyiv, announced that he would initiate a bill to recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, which should make, as he said, secondary sanctions more significant. ms. irina, do you think washington will dare to recognize russia as a state. states sponsoring terrorism. well, it would be absolutely logical from my point of view, because there is every reason to clearly define, including at the legislative level, not only in our state, but also in the countries of our partners, consistent partners that russia is a sponsor of terrorism. i want to remind you that somewhere in the 17th year at the nato parliamentary assembly , we made a corresponding report about the way in which russia... the federation uses

opportunities to finance terrorist organizations such as idilt and dill, etc., so in this case it only has be the presence of political will among our partners from the united states of america, regarding the completion of this issue and bringing it to a logical counterpart to what is happening in reality now. russia is a state sponsor of terrorism. well, the state, which is actually itself. a terrorist, although this is a legal term: a state sponsor of terrorism. mr. oleksiy, do you think the americans recognize russia as a state sponsoring terrorism? thank you, indeed, sergey, you correctly said at the end that she is not a sponsor, she is the main terrorist, russia, by the way, this is quite consistent, because if we recall the history of the soviet union, then the main organizer of world terror was soviet. union,

russia is his direct heir, therefore essentially connection of times and peoples takes place. second, well, in my opinion, this is a very serious test for our partners, well, not so much from the point of view of their relationship with ukraine, their support or not, it is a test of their truthfulness, sincerity, and devotion to the ideals of the democrats, slogans , which... for many years , for many hundreds of years, the americans have been professing, actually speaking, but now it must be confirmed by really actual decisions, and in my opinion this is a test for them as a democratic country, i would put it this way, well, it is clear that when i mentioned linsey graham, then he said that the russians are bypassing all the sanctions that exist in the world and that these are secondary sanctions, they should be more significant, from the past.

last week, donald tusk spoke about the fact that part of europe verbally condemns russia's aggression against ukraine, but instead conducts some business, sells something, buys something from russia. mr. fyodor, when will our partners actually put all the dots and when it will be clear to everyone that there cannot be any negotiations with russia, that it is a state that sponsors terrorism, that this the state is a terrorist, and it will be fixed. at the legislative level in the united states of america, which will accordingly affect absolutely all counterparties with whom they work. well, here i completely agree with our colleagues who said that for us, for people's deputies of ukraine, for the authorities of ukraine in general, there is no doubt that the russian federation is a terrorist country, a country that is a sponsor of terrorism. moreover, i want to tell you that in the first weeks of the war, it was our committee that was one of the first to... initiate and vote on

the committee just passed a resolution, a draft resolution on recognizing russia as a terrorist state, but then it would not have received support among other colleagues, but... but you know, talking about the fact that russia is definitely terrorism is dared in almost every corner of the world, in every country, and even in the united states of america, different political politicians, different political forces, they declare that russia is a sponsor of terrorism, that it should be recognized as such officially, but unfortunately, we see somewhat such, you know, caution, as in the actions of our american partners and western partners, when they still try... not to take any drastic actions or make drastic statements, to make decisions that could lead to an even greater escalation of the conflict, and, unfortunately, when i was on a business trip to the united states of america, this is the thesis that the united states and the authorities

of the united states are trying to avoid further escalation, it permeated both the official and unofficial communications of our colleagues with american colleagues, therefore... therefore i think that eventually the united states of america will recognize that russia is a state sponsor of terrorism, but how quickly will it happen, well, i can't be optimistic and say that it will happen anytime soon, but this is exactly the path that was announced and declare our partners in the united states of america, the way is actually full application of all the various sanctions, which will then be very painful for those who will violate them. today, the minister of defense. united states of america lloyd austin, opening the meeting of the 20th meeting of the format ramshtein, promised that the united states of america would continue to support ukraine's military efforts against russia, despite congressional delays. let's listen to what the secretary of defense of the united states of america said.

today, our message is quite clear: the united states will not allow ukraine to lose. our coalition and the entire free world will not allow this to happen. last week, the united states announced another security package, which amounted to 300 million dollars. this is an extremely important measure in order to help ukraine in the purchase of ammunition and anti-aircraft guns shells and other equipment. we are now trying to find out what ukraine urgently needs, and we are determined to give it exactly that. and besides, he said. said that ukraine and the united states of america will not back down and will do everything to ensure that ukraine is not defeated, and this coalition will not allow ukraine to be defeated. ms. iryna, this is lloyd osin saying that the united states

of america, remstein, a group of countries that support us in the war against russia say that they will not let ukraine suffer... defeat, although we do not hear from the rhetoric that ramstein will do everything so that russia will be defeated, that is, some kind of half-hearted decision and half-hearted statements that ukraine will not be defeated, why does the west not say that russia has to be defeated, putin must be defeated, russia in the form in which it is aggressive, dangerous for... for the whole world, that there must be demilitarization, denuclearization, so that the world sleeps peacefully. thank you, well, look, it's actually very important, clear and consistent support for one of our key

supporters, this is the united states of america. the clarity of narratives that speak of unwavering support is indeed to be applauded. of ukraine, it was very desirable for us to directly have not only statements and not only aspirations in support of ukraine, but also the provision of the necessary, vitally necessary for our victory, help from our partners. in this case, i think that mr. austin's statements, they are primarily aimed at proving, including... to the country of the aggressor, that ukraine will not be left alone with the country the occupier indeed, i support your thesis that it would be desirable to move away from these mythologies about the fact that it is ukraine that will not be

defeated and change it to the fact that it is russia that must be defeated, but you and i, unfortunately, still have to state the fact that the western leaders... in their vast majority are under such captivity of the narrative that it is desirable not to anger russia too much. in this case, i believe that time is playing against everyone, not only against ukraine, but also against our supporters and our partners, so the sooner the partners change their rhetoric and really come to the point where it is impossible to negotiate with russia, russia is not a country that will use the possibility of finding a compromise as an achievement of some kind of parity in order to move forward. russia will use any compromises from its partners as their weakness, and

accordingly, russia must be destroyed as a state, otherwise it will continue to pose a threat to the entire democratic world. thank you, ms. irina, mr. fedor, please tell me what the west is saying and doing now, and our western partners who will unite. in this ramshtein format, is it sufficient for ukraine not to be defeated in the fight against russia? well, first of all, i would like to return to this rhetoric that our partners will not allow ukraine to be defeated, the fact is that the goal that we, with which we are fighting against the aggressor country and the goal with which the aggressor country attacked ukraine , they are completely different. it is important for us to restore our... territorial integrity, to preserve our statehood, and for russia it is important to destroy us as a state, as a nation, as a people and so

on. that is precisely why the rhetoric of our partners is that ukraine cannot lose, that is, they will not allow russia to achieve the goals it sets for itself by invading ukraine. we have never declared that we want to destroy the russian federation, although i fully agree with mrs. irina here that it would be an ideal option for us, but still our partners from the review. on both the nuclear status of the russian federation and the unpredictability of the destruction of this country into some fragments, they act very cautiously, but the main thing for us is that the signals we hear from our partners that ukraine will not lose, and therefore ukraine will restore its territorial integrity, they are decisive, and they definitely provide very clear guidelines for russia as well, who understands that she won't be able to do that because the whole civilized world is against her... and for our citizens and for us, is the support that we're going to get enough, you know, without that support it would be much

more difficult for us, but certainly this support is, well, on this moment from the point of view of understanding us as representatives of the defense committee, who understand the difficulties facing our defense security sector, is certainly not enough, because if timely decisions were made to provide ukraine with what it needs in a specific period of time, then probably.. . and the situation on the territory of the battlefield would have been different if there had not been a delay in the delivery of first barrel artillery, then rocket artillery, then tanks, then air defense systems, or before that anti-aircraft systems, then planes, but these are all decisions made by our partners, and they help us a lot , but they are at least six months late, so of course this help is not enough, we are trying to consolidate other countries and our european partners to give us... what will help us protect our people and free our territory from the country,

the aggressor. thank you, mr. fedor. mr. oleksiy, well, after all, what is, in your opinion, in the understanding of the west, the defeat of russia, what, what, what should be a defeat, do they understand what is defeat? sergey, i am now, our air is so political, after all, there are three politicians, three representatives of political power. forces yes and on the one hand there, well, it would probably be useful now to say some correct patriotic gas electorally, but i will still try to comment, well, more calmly, as with an expert, well, taking into account experience, well, you are absolutely correct in asking the question, and let's find out, in the end , defeat and victory for us, well, how about... for me, first of all, since this war, which is imposed to us, the aggressor, is existential, yes, it

is, for them, because they deny the very right of ukraine to exist as a state, and for us it is, but with a different sign, minus for plus, it is existential, that is, we must prove that we have the right to our statehood, territories , etc. the period is a pity, as far as i'm concerned, well... our victory is essentially already in because russia has not achieved its main goal. she did not achieve the goal of her two- or three-day special operation, when they believed that in three days there would be a white flag, as one pope advises, yes, she did not achieve her goal even in two extra years,

ukraine took place and it is absolutely understandable that none there can be no military defeat, and this is essentially a certain victory for ukraine, but now agree that if our relations with russia are simple enough, here it is bipolar for us, yes, white, black, or, they, or they, or us, then in fact for the world it is not such a bipolar uh-uh conflict, and they it, and they consider it, well, they see it from different points of view, that's why... it's the lack of radical solutions, which we would really like , that is why the delay in transferring to us, well, from the side of germany, the same missiles that are afraid, yes, we see that the germans are afraid, because they understand the possible consequences that the russians will apply to them in other aspects, taking into account the nuances of the relationship between russia and germany

in the last 15 years, the same gas and so on and so on something like that, definitely for today... i believe that the world , the uninterested world, will not make it clear that ukraine is defeated, this is definitely a big positive plus, which will be our victory, sorry, that's all everything is ahead, and we definitely understand that our victory is the restoration of our borders, reparations, restoration of the economy and the corresponding ones. all actions after the end of the war with our victory in and in this aspect. well, by the way, no matter how much we say that germany is afraid of something, when talking about taurus long-range missiles. german defense minister boris pistorius , before today's ramstein meeting, announced a new military aid package for

ukraine with an estimated cost of 500 million euros. let's listen to what the minister of defense said. not bad. before this meeting in uramstein, we put together a new aid package worth almost half a billion euros. it includes 10,000 ammunition from the warehouses of our armed forces. their delivery will begin in the near future, actually now. in addition, we will finance 180,000 ammunition from the czech initiative. their delivery will take place in stages. so even the germans, who two years ago were quite cautious about aid, military aid to ukraine and started there with helmets for soldiers and started with such modest military supplies, they are already talking about the need to provide serious aid to ukraine

and help ukraine , maybe, maybe, this... is facilitated by what putin does, what he says, so we witnessed how fake elections were held in russia on march 17, and the so-called elections and the legitimacy of president putin, the president in shambles, are in question, a big question, because he not only held elections in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, which is a violation of international law and the law. and the laws of russia, if there are any laws still in force there, and the legislation of ukraine, because he falsified elections, including on our territory, and forced ukrainians to vote for themselves in these elections, what and how should the ukrainian authorities do the first thing in order to the world still

did not recognize putin's authority, considering that we were also involved in this process. citizens who are in the temporarily occupied territories , and here it is simply a matter of honor, to convince all our partners not to call putin the president, not to recognize his powers, to make him illegitimate, and the most important thing is that this illegitimacy, if it is spoken about, that it will give to putin, and what will not be given to putin, or rather, what will she give to the world, ms. irina, well, first of all, there is a corresponding appeal of the verkhovna rada, i... it was decided regarding the illegality of the elections that were carried out march 17, this, as you rightly said, is the holding of elections in the temporarily occupied territories, this is the absence of... actually any competition for the main dictator of this pseudo-formation, in addition, the absence of international observers, which, as components,

allow us to talk about the fact that the elections are completely fictitious, you know, a show of elections, elections without elections, and accordingly it is desirable that the democratic countries that are partners... of ukraine in this unjust war, really decide on the appropriate steps regarding the non-recognition of these elections. for our part, we did it, so from now on, relatively speaking, the ball is in the court of our partner countries, but in view of what is happening further, i think the russian federation under the leadership of this re-elected. the president, the further he goes, the more he will fall into such, you know

, the circle of the unruly, because everything that happens in the russian federation, everything that they commit, those international crimes, those war crimes that they commit, they are in principle , take turns hammering nails into the lid of this entity called... whoever is the president, by the way, your colleague in the parliament and feder venislavski's colleague in the service of the people, arseniy pushkarenko, who is the deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy, he said that ukraine in his future diplomatic relations, he should be guided by the fact that putin is now an illegitimate president, in particular , he should ask questions about who exactly from the russian federation to discuss with... the issue of ending the war and implementing formulas, peace formulas, mr. fedor, it is clear that for ukraine, president putin

does not exist, starting from february 24, 2022, although there was a period when we tried to conduct some negotiations with the russians in march to april 22, but not with putin himself, or in your opinion, in this context... some other processes should be initiated within the ukrainian state in order to review the entire legal basis between ukraine and russia, and simply completely erase russia together with putin from any -what kind of relations, from bilateral relations, because perhaps some other agreements still operate between the two countries? well, we systematically do what you, what you ask about, and what you talk about, the verkhovna rada of ukraine almost constantly denounces, suspends the effect of international agreements that operated both within the framework

of bilateral relations between ukraine and russia, and within the framework of multilateral relations within the cis, but here i fully support your idea that ukraine should continue to respond to these illegal pseudo-elections, which were held in gross violation of the norms. international law and by and large everyone standards of international electoral law , starting from the terms for which the so-called president of russia was elected once again, ending with procedural moments, procedural violations during the conduct of elections, including in temporarily occupied territories, which is a gross violation of the international convention on the treatment of the civilian population under wartime, but here you know, it is important for us that the signals that we send as... the parliament, as the ministry of foreign affairs, as from president zelenskyi, are heard and responded to by our western partners, because, if you look at the statements

of both the european union and specific countries, specific states, they all talk about the non-recognition of the legitimacy of the elections in the temporarily occupied territories, while here, as part of this constituent element of these pseudo-elections in general, it is necessary to talk about the illegitimacy of the newly elected the president in general, and about the impossibility of continuing any contacts with the president, who actually has neither the legal nor the moral right to be called the president, but our partners, again, are quite careful in this issue, and if they blur what concerns the temporarily occupied territories and what concerns the presidential elections in general, therefore i definitely think that we from the verkhovna rada of ukraine will still react with resolutions to these illegal elections, because we would react if... strange , now post facto, since the official results have already been announced, very quickly, and with fantastic speed, you can say for such a large country, i

think we have to respond constantly with... systematically to what and point to what putin cannot be called president under any circumstances, but according to the russian central committee, putin won the largest victory in all the years of the existence of the russian federation, i.e. more than 87%, there they drew him 87%, and according to the experts of the institute for the study of war, putin wants to use this record . victory in the so-called elections for a protracted war in ukraine, mr. oleksiy, or what putin has won and what has been announced to the whole world, will this become an excuse for putin to intensify the war against ukraine and, accordingly, start a possible war against the west, referring to the fact that this is the will of the russians, so many people voted for me , so they are voting for the war, for the fact that

we are conducting justice. and the right war. let's try to soberly analyze the situation, given that we understand how much we all hate both putin and the country he leads, but nevertheless we understand that this terrorist works for his citizens, for his vassals, for his empire, how much there are 170 million of them. and accordingly, he achieves his goal in his country. it cements as much as possible and consolidates his authoritarian power and let's admit that he succeeds, you see, he has drawn as much as you say 87, he could have drawn 97, while he was ashamed, well, let's say so, if it is possible, apply it to this scum , you understand, such a term, nevertheless, he really created

prerequisites in his country. both economically, politically, and repressively, in order to really demonstrate to us , first of all, ukraine, in order to put pressure on us psychologically, resource-wise, to demonstrate that he is ready to fight as long as it takes, but to achieve his ultimate goal , of course, this is also a signal to the world community, look, you don't play around there... well, i will get my way, and in this regard , i want , i would like to say, of course, we would like him not to be recognized by the world as the president, but you see, i agree with my colleague venislavskyi that, after all, they are so careful, taking into account diplomatic , legal nuances, future situations, i am convinced what they analyze and model, they still do so neatly they say, yes, the elections are indeed

illegitimate. violations primarily in the occupied territories, but nevertheless , i think that politicians and overseas europeans understand that any war ends with some kind of peace, you know, and some kind of treaty, and some parties should discuss and conclude this treaty , and of course, the question of legitimacy of the one who takes part in these negotiations and signing will arise. this or that document. of course, we would all like putin to finish as he did in his 45th year the predecessor and twin of adolf shack schecklegruber , hitler, yes, let him be there, poisoned, burned and so on, but agree, there is no one hundred percent guarantee of such a result, so the situation will be difficult, and we in this situation, i think, should be as

sober as possible , pragmatically. and reasonable in this situation, calm, if you like, and yes, and in a situation when putin won this even, albeit, falsified victory of 87%, but this is a reason for him to threaten the world with the third world war, for that to carry out additional mobilization , talk, listen, well, you voted for me, let's finish ukraine already and let's already... let's end the event, or at least do everything to protect ourselves from this event, well, in fact, demand, demand as dictator, absolutely demand complete obedience from his people and , accordingly, mobilization, well, we also have the question of mobilization and the law on mobilization , but there are 400 suspended in the verkhovna rada...