on our channel, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health, for the next hour we will talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory, today in... russian missile terror continues, zelenskyy asks to strengthen ukrainian air defense and promises retaliatory strikes, whatever capabilities the armed forces have for this. weapons for ukraine and the strengthening of european defense. eu leaders are holding a security summit in brussels, or talking about introduction of troops into ukraine? victory formula. world leaders offer different ways to end the war in. country, is the west ready

to put an end to putin's regime? we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy honcharenko, general igor romanenko and political expert igor reiterovych. however, before we start our big talk, i suggest you watch the video of how the russians attacked kyiv tonight with two ballistic and 209 cruise missiles, all of them...were destroyed, the air force of the armed forces of ukraine reported, but the debris caused fires in residential buildings, let's see how it all happened.

the merciless destruction of ukrainians and the attack on civilians who were just sleeping, thanks to our air defense forces, who ensured that it was not a missile that landed. into the house, but only its broken part, that is why we are alive thanks to this, there were cars on fire, there was an explosion, all the cars were on fire, i returned again, took carriers, tried to find the cats, but did not find them.

many thanks to those who shot down these missiles, kudos to the anti-aircraft forces of ukraine, and that's it those who helped eliminate the consequences of this missile attack. friends, we are live on the espresso tv channel and also on our platforms on youtube and facebook for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, do not forget to subscribe to our channel and vote in our poll, today we ask you the following , will the peace summit in switzerland bring the end of the war in ukraine closer? yes, no, please vote on youtube with the appropriate button, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the peace summit in switzerland.

will bring the end of the war in ukraine closer 08021381 no 08021382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, and we have oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the parye committee on migration and refugees, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast, i congratulate you, i know that you... you are in france, where a meeting of the pare migration committee is currently taking place, which is preparing a large report for the pare summer session, if possible briefly, what is being discussed at the meeting of the migration committee, and then we will move on to what is actually being said in france and about the war in ukraine , and about macron's statements regarding french troops in ukraine. yes, i congratulate you, indeed, now as the president of the state committee. refugees, i conduct this

committee, and in france, and that's why i'm working here this week, and it's very important in... in this committee, that's how i'm a ukrainian for the first time in history headed it, and i raised the issue, and a special report of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe will be prepared for the summer session, regarding ukrainian refugees abroad, about what it is called, about their long-term, short-term, long-term support, this is very important, because we you and i understand that the question... of millions of ukrainians, unfortunately, this is the fate of our ukraine today and the fate of millions of people who were forced to leave ukraine, so they, their lives depend very much on how they are supported abroad, and what solutions are accepted, in addition we periodically, unfortunately, also see tragic

stories that take place there, so our task is to help ukrainians, and when they are there, and the parade is one such tool, and my position as president... that is, it allows me to raise these issues, that is what i am actually doing, and indeed now at the june session there should be a report with such a roadmap for all countries, and of course i will promote there, on the one hand, the issue of continuing ukraine's support for ukrainians abroad, and this is very important today, it remains important, but on the other hand, that tools should be developed to help those ukrainians who decide to return home. and this is also a very, as i think, important topic that we should raise. mr. oleksiy, yesterday you stated that a french military contingent may soon appear in ukraine in the near future, and preparations for its dispatch are already underway by the french ministry of defense, and france is creating a coalition

of allies, which may include poland and the baltic states, what are they saying in france about such a possibility, because in ukraine somewhat... they are skeptical of such prospects and believe that, well, at least the political scientists there and the political experts who are on our air, that this is macron's struggle for leadership in modern europe, what, what are they saying in france itself about this? in fact, this is a super important story, and it’s really quite sensational , such information, because really in ukraine, many people... uh, didn’t understand macron’s plan, let ’s put it this way, or in general, they decided there, yes, what’s up, well , macron said something there , or whatever, okay, something important is said there, but these are some ideas to the implementation of which is very far away and it is not at all known whether they will be implemented, whether it is

just politics, whether it is before the elections to the european parliament, and so on. well, i can tell you that in parallel with my main work, let's say, what we just talked about, i meet here... with colleagues, deputies, politicians, french, and i came to, well, not understanding, but and received information very seriously that this is not just talk, that macron did not just say something, but that this is a concrete plan to create the french military contingent, which will be stationed in ukraine on a permanent basis, and yes, today there is no question that this contingent will join the war with russia, well, it would simply mean joining. a war with france , of course we wouldn't be against it, to put it mildly, but it's obvious that there's no question about it today, but it's very serious, anyway, because this, well, first of all, it will be the first of its kind example, we understand with you that certain

military countries of nato appear in ukraine, performing certain functions of the role, but of permanent the contingent does not have a single country , it will be a completely new reality... such a contingent, it doesn't matter how many people there will be in it, 500, 1000, i don't know, and i don't have the numbers and at the moment there aren't any, but when he will appear on a permanent basis and already formally, that is, legally, it will be very important, first of all, as a definitely symbolic step and a signal for putin. secondly, it will be a completely practical thing, because this contingent, according to macron's plan, should be engaged in training the ukrainian military, and it is obvious that today, when we... train our military to train abroad is a very complicated procedure, time, resources are limited, and when these instructors appear in ukraine, everything will speed up significantly, and for us this is a super important issue, then these people, what is the second thing, according to macron's plan, what they can engage

in exchange, an important topic, thirdly, it is cyber security, that is, stopping russian cyberattacks, well... own cyber specialists, a super important topic, fourthly, help in air defense, well, this is generally important for every ukrainian every day from with these constant attacks. so it can have and quite practical consequences, moreover, well, this is already a separate topic here, but it is also discussed with the participation of france, and the creation of a so-called police mission on the border of ukraine and belarus, which will actually guard our border with belarus, which is actually occupied by russia, that he himself can liberate the essential ukrainian forces that are there today on the border. er, we are forced, well, we are forced to keep them there in order, god forbid, not to miss, not

to allow the scenario of the events of february 22nd, and well, this is already a little separate topic, but even like this topic with the french contingent and these four directions, they are already very practical, and will have concrete practical help for the ukrainian military, as macron sees it, two ways, the first way - it will create. on a separate base , that is, actually a military base of a nato country , where the entire coalition, as you rightly said, the baltic countries, scandinavia and some other countries can join in, or the second option is not to create a separate location allocated there, but just this one the contingent will be placed where necessary, directly, if training, then on ukrainian military training grounds, in cyber security centers, where there is air defense, especially where there is french and so on. then, well, i'll repeat it, it's very important

, it's fundamental, well, this is the next step, you know, how there used to be fairy tales, then behind the fairy tales there were artillery, they followed it up to the missiles, then this will be the next step, when on the territory of ukraine with the nato military, we need to cling to this idea with our hands and feet, to support it, to help it become a reality, because it can have a very serious meaning. beyond any doubt, meanwhile, the national security advisor to the president of the united states of america, jake sullivan, who was in kyiv, assured that the us aid package of 60 billion dollars will be approved by the congress. let's hear what sullivan said. i know there are questions here because of the delay in congress passing a bill containing the relief package you rightfully deserve. and for which president biden fights every day. $60 million has already been approved by the senate, now we

are working with the house of representatives to approve the aid package. we are sure that we will manage to do it. well, the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, mike johnson, without delay, promised to put aid to ukraine to a vote after the resolution of the budget issues. he did not name the exact terms. let's also listen to mike. it was a very tough negotiation, but now that this process is over, as i said before, our focus will shift to the issue of additional funding, there are several avenues that we are looking at to address this issue. i will not say today what exactly it is about, but i want you to know that this work was carried out in parallel. however, first we had to agree on an appropriation for the government. with that done, we'll now turn our attention to... more help, and we won't delay it. mr.

oleksiy, when both the americans and the germans talk about what is needed, it is necessary to restore this aid and the united states of america, and we will think about the tauruses, what arguments do they lack, for example, after this morning's missile attack on kyiv? well, first of all, i want to add, i wrote about that one councilors meeting a few days ago i reported that this meeting will take place because you said about sullivan, there was not only sullivan, there were, this is the same format of national security advisers, advisers to presidents or heads of governments of states, countries, partners of ukraine, and this is an important format, and it took place for the first time in kyiv, and the fact that sullivan was there is very necessary, and we are waiting for a decision on the arguments, well, let's talk about taurus, that's separate. history, and there is a situation that

germany is not ready to be a leader in this supply of weapons. actually, germany is not also, we have to say thank you, because germany has long since become the second country in terms of support for ukraine after the united states, and in fact the aid from germany is very large, but as we all remember, every time... germany there is a transition from simply giving ukraine physical weapons, not helmets, to having these weapons include tanks, and now to having these weapons include long-range missiles, well, it's like that every time. such a painful process, it is connected with many things and with the injuries of the second world war, but the main thing is with chancellor scholz's personality, he is very himself, you know, he recently gave an interview to the kidsite podcast, and so he said everything there, in principle, when he compared it, which

means that we are not the same, well, someone there said tree, and there are those people who sit below and shout... he says yes, so he will not do it, and there is no need to break his legs, this is his life philosophy, quietly, slowly following others, not without extra steps and without demonstrating leadership, unfortunately, we will not do anything about it, we can only understand here, so what this is the situation, so we will not have tauris from germany until the united states of america gives us long-range attacks. and this is a separate conversation about taurus, well , we have finished it, and as for other countries, well , let's face it, we have a big problem now with only one country, well, from the allies we have, but it is the main country, it is the united states of america , and it is very good that sullivan says this, there are certain, by the way, back in december and january, i gave such predictions and

comments, because i was invited to the united... america met with congressmen, senators, and i said that a window of opportunity would open for ukraine, that we shouldn't wait, let me remind you that everyone said in december that everything would be fine by christmas, then in january they said that by everything will be fine at the end of january, i went there and said that you know, friends, unfortunately, let's be frank and say that the chances of this are small, and the milestone of importance for ukraine in terms of aid will open at the end of march, beginning of april. and it is connected with one thing only: you are now showing the congress of the united states of america, just with him. the fact is that in the usa there are also elections, or rather, we all know about the presidential elections, but there are also elections for congressmen and senators of a third. that is why everything is much better in the senate than in the congress, because only a third of the senate is elected this year,

and the entire congress is re-elected this year, and the congressmen, and they especially. of the american electoral system are such that for 70% of congressmen the main elections are not their own national elections, when formally these elections are taking place, and the elections within the party, primaries are so called, i think that many ukrainians already understand this system, but it also works for congressmen. roughly speaking, if you're a republican in texas, it's much more important for you to have an election within the republican party itself, because if you're elected there, then... you already have a democrat who won't beat you there in most counties in texas, or vice versa, if you are a democrat in new york, then for you, too , elections are elections within your party, a not what will happen later, and now this is exactly the point, and finally in march, from the beginning of march, these primaries started, and they have already passed through a certain part of the american states, they will continue until august, so

finally these primaries have started and part of the republican congressmen finally became , well, let's say, exhaled, because because of trump's position as a presidential candidate, who is absolutely, well, already a definite candidate, they were even afraid to ask questions and support ukraine, as one told me my friend, so influential a republican, says: well, i understand everything, i am very sorry, but until i pass my primaries, i will not do anything for ukraine, because one tweet from trump and the election is over for me, and there were many of them, and now they are. .. gradually some of them are starting to come out of it, sorry for taking so long, but you have to understand it, because people are waiting for tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, there won’t be these tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, but really at the beginning of april, because now the congress will break up, they voted their own internal funding of the united states, and at the beginning of april, when they return to work, this is a real opportunity for us to finally vote

on an aid package, there is still a big question, what will it be, whether there will be these or 60 billion or 47. or something there will be credit, because until moreover, the united states of america, by the way, is the only country, well, not the only one, but well, the largest, that gave us money, and weapons are given to us for free - irrevocably, and they also gave us money as a gift, for example, europe gives us money in credit, you have to understand it, it's actually, well, today we almost don't care about it, at all there is a big difference, as you and i understand , so we will see what and how it will be there, and... maybe there will be some changes, well, not in our favor, but in general, really, specifically in terms of weapons, i think that in there are good chances that this draft law will finally be voted on at the beginning of april. this is super important for us, well, we will keep our fingers crossed and do what we can in this direction. thank you, mr. oleksii, for the conversation, it was oleksii goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine.

friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms youtube and facebook, and we are conducting a survey today. we ask you about whether the peace summit in switzerland will bring the end of the war in ukraine closer. yes, no, on youtube, either yes or no, if you have an opinion, please leave it. below this video, if you watch us on tv, you can vote by phone if you think the summit in switzerland will bring the end of the war in ukraine closer (0800-211-381, no), 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free of charge, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have of communication ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, retired lieutenant general, former deputy. chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you too. so, mr. general, today the russian

federation launched a massive missile attack, another attack on the ukrainian capital, using 29 cruise missiles, kh-101 and kh-555, launched from 11 tu-95 ms strategic bombers, polhodonsk, engels districts, as well as two '. fortunately, all of them were destroyed by our anti-aircraft defense, but today the missiles that flew at kyiv had a rather strange trajectory, and this trajectory partly coincided with the trajectories of drones that the russians had already launched over the territory of ukraine, in particular over the ukrainian capital. what are these trajectories connected with, the constant changes of trajectories when... keta rushes to western ukraine, and then enters kyiv from the west of ukraine, that is, they are looking for a place to bypass the ukrainian air defense system, or what are these connected with such

maneuvers? they are looking for ways to improve effectiveness of air strikes by means, in this case such a large-scale application took place. missiles, both cruise and ballistic, to strike, first of all, at the capital, but not just as a square object, but at separate points in the capital, er, what can be military objects, military- political, objects of critical infrastructure, and the question is where what has arrived and in what form. and the debris fell one way or another, you see , so there were so many that there was no place a combat unit was blown up, it fell and

blew up on the ground, and some were not blown up at all, they were taken out and then destroyed already today during the day, so this large-scale air strike was prepared by them, prepared with the use of modern highly ... accurate missiles and rockets, which can lay routes, fly, in the first place, and it is called star anti-aircraft missile defense specialists, which means that the target is attacked by air vehicles almost simultaneously from all sides parties, this is achieved due to the fact that the routes are laid in such a way that they will visit... well, in different districts, you are correct in saying that they should bypass the dispersed regional concentration of our anti-rain defense means in this

case, but one way or another they enter , well, since they were launched from the east, from the southeast, and so on, and go further west, well, in this case, kyiv, but then diverge from... they approach the capital from different sides at the same time, the maintenance of anti-aircraft missile systems is very difficult to work at this time , considering also the fact that targets for destruction appear simultaneously from all sides, so that a share of these targets are remote, that is , they use them so that the means of... anti-aircraft defense spend their missiles on these remote targets and thus it is the most difficult stroke. and

it is difficult to repulse it, the effectiveness of anti-aircraft anti-missile defense is quite high in such conditions, it is said that everything was shot down in general, but you show the consequences and we see, because even the breakdowns that are discussed, still they bring harm, well, what are we, what we are observing, in any case , they did not achieve their goal of such damage as they planned, thanks to the professional actions of the defenders of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense. almost all the cruise and ballistic missiles that flew to kyiv today, as reported in the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, flew at the guru facilities, and the internet publication ukrainian pravda writes about this, citing an interlocutor in the gur ministry of defense, and thank god that these indeed the missiles were all

shot down. president zelensky called on the countries west to provide ukraine with more air defense systems to protect against russian terror. russian terrorists do not have such missiles that could bypass the protection of the patriots and other leading world systems, zelenskyy said. mr. general, how do you estimate the number of air defense systems that ukraine needs now, how many of these systems, 10, tens, hundreds, or? what number is being talked about and in particular what the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine is talking about? well, unfortunately, i lost the rockets we have less than a dozen complexes with anti-missile capabilities, most likely, according to western data, ours do not open, of course, these data, but the need is in hundreds, well, we can fantasize here,

the question is not that, the question. to receive at least additional units , and first of all, such as patriots himself, and maybe frankin himself, you see, the commander of the air force, general aleschuk, driving a tractor that works with our missile systems transports, that is, there is a need for a large number of them. limited, unfortunately, and therefore perform the task, we see that it is necessary not only around kyiv, and the point objects of kyiv are not easy, they hit the hill, and not only the hill, because the weight of the activity of this structure is quite heavy, we, we are about it we know, it's like the sbu in maritime , let's say, the use of drones, a separate issue for special operations forces,

about which rather in... what actions, very important, they carry out, we will be able to find out after the end of hostilities about those people who carry out tasks in this structure as well, that is, all our structures are defined in the legal pro the resistance is national, and this means that the gur, the sbu and the special operations forces act quite effectively, so the enemy is focusing on suppressing these structures of ours, destroying the leaders, according to general budanov, that’s not it, they have already tried to physically destroy him more than once , the question came to the point that they tried to poison the wife and so on, that is, of course , the goal of such an enemy is there, but there are countermeasures, that is , in this case , the soldiers of the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems are thwarted by professional actions, such plans of the enemy,

sir, but it is clear that with the end of the russian-ukrainian war, russia will not go anywhere from ukraine, that is, in terms of the border, in terms of proximity, its location, whether it is possible to create something similar to the iron dome in ukraine in the future, of course, israel and ukraine are different countries in terms of scale, territory, and the number of people living in this territory, but... one way or another, after the victory, we will have to think about how to protect our skies, because russia, given her capabilities, will be able to at any moment to fire at us, is it possible to create such a system? well, in general , the assessment of the construction of the anti-aircraft missile defense system is incorrect and is reduced to actions, for example, iron ones.