[000:00:00;00] they're waiting for tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, there won't be these tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, but really in the beginning of april, because now the congress will break up, they voted their own internal funding of the united states, and in the beginning of april, when they go back to work, that's real for us finally an opportunity to vote on the aid package, there is still a big question, what it will be, whether there will be these 60 billion, or 47 billion only in military aid, or whether there will be something in credit, because before that we... the united states of america, by the way, the only country, well not the only one but the biggest one was that they gave us money, and they gave us weapons for free - irrevocably, and they also gave us money as a gift, for example, europe gives us money on credit, you have to understand that, it's a fact, well today we almost don't care about it, in general this is a big difference, as you and i understand, so we will see what and how it will be there, and maybe there will be some changes, well, not in our favor, but in general

it is really about... weapons, i think that in there are good chances that this draft law will finally be voted on at the beginning of april super is important for us, well, we will keep our fists, well, and do what we can in this direction. thank you, mr. oleksiy , for the conversation, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people 's deputy of ukraine, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, and we are conducting a survey today, we are asking you about this, whether peace summit in switzerland for ... ending the war in ukraine, yes, no, on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, you can vote by phone if you think that the summit in switzerland will bring the end of the war in ukraine closer, 0800-211-381, no, 08021-382, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this

vote, further in... we are in touch with ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, retired lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you too. so, mr. generals, today the russian federation launched a massive missile attack, another attack on the ukrainian capital, using 29 cruise missiles, kh-101 and kh-555, launched from... 11 tu-95 ms strategic bombers, the districts of volgodonsk, engels, as well as two ballistic missiles, iskander em and kinjal, all of them, fortunately, were destroyed by our air defense, but today the missiles that flew at kyiv had a rather strange trajectory, and this trajectory partially coincided with the trajectory of drones that the russians had already launched on the territory of ukraine,

in particular. around the ukrainian capital , what are these trajectories connected with, the constant changes in the trajectories, when the missile first goes to western ukraine, and then from the west of ukraine enters kyiv, that is, they are looking for a place to bypass the ukrainian air defense system, or what are they connected with such maneuvers? they are looking for ways to increase the effectiveness of their air strikes. in this case, there was such a large-scale use of both cruise and ballistic missiles to strike primarily at the capital, but not just it is like a cloaked object, but at separate points in the capital, which can be military objects, military-political objects, objects of critical

information. structures, and the question is , where did they fly, in what form, and the fragments fell one way or another, you see, so they were so numerous that wherever the combat unit was not blown up, it fell and blew up on the ground, and some were not blown up at all, they were taken out and then destroyed already today during the day, so this large-scale uh... air strike was prepared by them prepared with the use of modern high-precision missiles and missiles that can lay routes, fly, in the first place, and it is called "zirkovy" from the experts of anti-aircraft anti-missile defense. this means that

almost all of them arrive at the affected object simultaneously. on the old side, this is achieved due to the fact that the routes are laid in such a way that they fly over different districts, you are right about the fact that they... must bypass the dispersed district concentration of our anti-flood defense means in this case, but one way or another they enter , well, since they were launched from the east, from the southeast, and so on, and go further west, well, in this case, kyiv, but then they diverge from the capital at the same time from different sides e. the maintenance of anti-aircraft missile systems is very it is difficult to work at this time, taking into account the fact that targets for

destruction appear simultaneously from all sides, and some of these targets are remote, that is, they use them so that the means of anti-flood defense use up theirs in this case rockets on... these targets are removed, and thus it is the most difficult blow, and it is difficult to repulse it, the effectiveness of anti-aircraft missile defense is quite high in such conditions, it is said that everything was shot down in general, but you show the consequences and we can see, because even those breakdowns, which are discussed, still bring damage, well, what are we... which we observe, whatever their goal, such a defeat, as they planned, they did not achieve, thanks to the professional actions of the defenders of anti-aircraft, anti-missile defense. almost all are winged and ballistic

the rockets that flew at kyiv today, as reported in the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, flew at the guru facilities, and this is reported by the online edition of ukrainian pravda, citing an interlocutor. in the roar of the ministry of defense, and thank god that these missiles were all shot down, president zelensky called on western countries to provide ukraine with more air defense systems to protect against russian terror, russian terrorists do not have such missiles that could bypass the protection of the patriots and other leading world systems , - said zelensky. mr. general, how do you rate how many air defense systems can you now... calculate ukraine's need for, how many of these systems, 10, dozens there, hundreds, or what number is being talked about, and in particular, the supreme commander

of the armed forces of ukraine is talking about? well, unfortunately, we have less than a dozen shot-down missile systems with anti-missile capabilities , most likely given by the west, ours do not open, of course, these data, but... and the need is in hundreds, well, we can fantasize here, the question not that, the question is that at least additional money should be received in c units, and first of all such as the patriots, those themselves, and maybe frankin himself, so you see, the commander of the air forces, general aleshchuk, driving a tractor that works with ours... that is, there is a great need for them, the number is limited , unfortunately, and therefore to carry out the task, we already see that it is necessary not only around kyiv, but also in point objects of kyiv, for a reason, they

hit the hill, and not only the hill, because the weight of the activity of this structure is quite significant, we, we know about it, it's like the sbu in maritime affairs, let's say. drone application, separately the issue of sending special operations , about which, most likely, the actions they carry out are very important, we will be able to learn after the end of hostilities about those people who perform tasks in this structure as well, that is, all our structures are defined in the law on national resistance, and it is referring to gur, sbu and special operations forces. to act effectively enough, that is why the enemy is focusing on the suppression of these structures of ours, the destruction of the leaders of general budanov, she has already tried to physically

destroy him more than once, the issue came to the point that his wife they tried to poison and so on, that is, of course , the goal of such an enemy is there, but there are countermeasures, that is , in this case, the soldiers of the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems are thwarted by professional actions, such plans of the enemy. mr. general, it is clear that with the end of the russian-ukrainian war, russia is not going anywhere... a priestess from ukraine, that is to say, in terms of the border, in terms of proximity, whether it is possible to create something similar to an iron dome in ukraine in the future, of course, israel and ukraine are different in scale country, both by territory and by the number of people living in this territory, but one way or another, after victory we will have to think. about how to protect our sky,

because russia, given its capabilities, can fire at us at any moment, is it possible to create such a system? well, in general , the assessment of the construction of the anti-hail and anti-missile defense system is incorrect and is reduced to actions, for example, iron, god, bath, yes, because in israel it is four-level. protection is done by different systems and he did not provide the same dome one hundred percent security, as we see the events in israel and in the middle east, when a large number was applied, the question is ambiguous, that is all, it is not a panacea, not a panacea that will solve the issue of anti-fog, it is necessary to have a comprehensive approach, which is in israel , and there are different complexes, and as for supplies, we

know that they are limited from ours to our allies, but the statements and leaders of the military-industrial complex are also confirmed, regarding the fact that an anti-aircraft missile complex close to nesams is being developed, and norwegian-american, this is important for the beginning, we have potential opportunities to develop a complex, and this is done in the medium -long range, but the question is time, the question is... funds, and in general, all this was done even before the war, but we have russian apologists here including those that should have had an influence, some of them remain now, influence to inhibit these processes, not to promote them, although it is very difficult for them in these conditions, when our sbu and other structures act accordingly, but unfortunately, they there is, and therefore we are not you in a timely manner... completed these tasks, and therefore, but now

it is said that a 640 km missile complex is appearing, this is very important, and we have had a missile program since 2022, but it is difficult to implement it in the conditions of military shelling of our enterprises -industrial complex, we are talking about the fact that development is going on this anti-aircraft missile complex, like nasams, that is... there are promising developments, but once again i say that it takes time, and this kind of weapon and this kind we need the capabilities now, without saying that it would have been necessary yesterday. mr. general, the highest military official of the north atlantic alliance, the chairman of the nato military committee, rob bauer, came to visit kyiv for the first time since the beginning of the large-scale invasion of ukraine by russia, in his speech he warned the world against narbmir. pessimism about ukraine's chances in

the war and assured that ukraine will become a member of the north atlantic alliance. let's hear what rob bauer had to say. nato and ukraine are closer than ever before. every day. we are becoming closer, more compatible, more coherent. together. we are doing everything for ukraine to become a member of our alliance. the swedish flag will not be the only yellow and blue flag near the nato headquarters. mr. general, very briefly, do you share rob bauer's optimism that ukraine will become a member of the north atlantic alliance? well, i understand that. when he says that it is not necessary

to look at it pessimistically and that he looks at it optimistically, are you an optimist or a pessimist in this matter? yes, of course, i really wanted and there are prospects to 33 beautiful numbers, on mine point of view, it was ukraine that became a member of the alliance, i.e., if the countries that are part of the alliance, first of all, the americans will energetically move from the political statements that they are talking about, i would say, to concrete actions regarding the provision of aid right now. that is, in your opinion, we can and we have a chance to get. e invitation to the north atlantic alliance at the anniversary summit of nato, yes, the struggle is going on for this invitation to be formed in washington, but it is not dependent on this, even more, we need not just a political statement, and i'll say it again, we need weapons, equipment, ammunition, everything

is always more important, but the strategy must be kept and we must fight for it, that's for sure. well, let's hope so. mr. general, everything will be as it should be, thank you for the conversation, it was ihor romanenko, the founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, retired lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we continue our broadcast live on the tv channel, as well as on youtube and facebook. for those who are watching us now live on youtube and facebook, take part in our voting. we ask you today whether the summit will bring peace closer. in switzerland since the end of the war in ukraine, yes , no, everything is quite simple on youtube and we can press the button either yes or no, write your comment if you have your thoughts about this and if you watch us on tv , pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think

the swiss peace summit will bring an end to the war in ukraine, 0800-211-381, or 0800 21138. all calls to these numbers are free, please call, it is important for us to know your opinion. next, we have tetyana vysotska, correspondent of espresso in brussels. tatyana, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings serhiy, greetings from brussels, the european council. so, therefore, today the leaders of the european union in brussels are discussing many issues, including aid to ukraine, and in particular the issue of... the possible freezing of assets, or rather the confiscation of assets of the russian federation in europe and the transfer of these assets to ukraine for for it to fight against the russian federation, are there already any statements and results of this summit, has anyone already spoken

about whether there is such a decision or not, whether there will be such a decision or not, so the summit started with some delay, because ... the leaders had lunch with the secretary general of the un, then they had a long conversation with the president of the european parliament, roberta mazzola, and the summit started about 2.5 hours ago, the president of ukraine zelensky addressed the eu leaders, who, by the way, also asked to speed up the resolution of the issue transfer to ukraine, if not confiscated russian assets, then at least the income from them, which, as we know, amount to an average of 3 billion euros per year. and therefore the leaders began to discuss the ukrainian issue, the issue of security and defense, but so far no decision has been made, the discussions took place behind closed doors, and now we only know that the leaders moved on to dinner, after dinner the conversation about ukraine will continue, but that sometimes, while

the readers were sitting behind closed doors, diplomats periodically came out from behind these doors different countries, also the european... officials who spoke to journalists, and now we can say more or less about the frozen assets, the following is that there is a consensus among the leaders of the european union that the profits from the frozen assets of the european union can be used for the benefit ukraine, not even against hungary, but the question of how exactly to use these profits, because in the document submitted by the european commission for consideration. city ​​council to consider the eu elections, it is planned that 90% of the income from frozen russian assets should go to the european peace fund, which will purchase arms and ammunition for ukraine, and 10% should go to the budget of the european union in order to provide humanitarian

aid to ukraine, so a number of states, of course, led by hungary, oppose such a distribution. and also the state. you are of the neutral type, such as austria, ireland, malta, they are against russian money being used for the purchase of weapons and insist that it go only to the reconstruction and humanitarian needs of ukraine, but just recently the german a diplomat, and he spoke for a long time about that , about the court of discussions of the leaders, and he said that , actually, there is no point in using these assets at all, if you don't... buy, don't buy with them what ukraine needs first of all, and ukraine weapons are needed first of all, that is, now the discussion has stalled precisely on this, and it is quite possible. that in the final document russian assets will be mentioned in passing, only as a phrase that, for example, the leaders

of the european union recognize the good idea of ​​the european commission, or as they say there, approve the idea of the european commission regarding the use of frozen profits, frozen assets of the russian federation for the benefit of ukraine, without detail, and suggest that the ministers of foreign affairs of the state of the european union continue. discussion on this matter , we can expect something like this in the final document, but unfortunately, nothing more today , what is interesting is that, for example, olaf scholz, the head of germany, who has always been famous for being very careful in all his statements regarding russia, said today , which is precisely for profits from frozen russian funds should purchase weapons for ukraine, he emphasized that this money does not belong to anyone, for example, the same one. the chancellor of austria , on the contrary, said that it would not be missed for his country. this is the current situation with frozen funds. and what is interesting, hungary

also says that if these funds are directed to humanitarian needs, it will not be against it. here is such an interesting thing. thank you, tatyana, we will wait for the results of the eu summit. tomorrow will still be a day, and we will keep an eye on it. it was tetyana vysotska from brussels, who monitors the progress of the summit leaders countries of the european union, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about the following: will the world bring the peace summit in switzerland, the end of the war in ukraine, yes, no, in youtube is quite simple, if you are sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphones, phone and vote if you think that the summit in switzerland will bring the end of the war in ukraine closer, 0800 211 380. 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, let's sum up the results of this

vote at the end of the program. next , ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, will be in touch with us. mr. igor, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. mr. igor, let's start our conversation with jake saliva's statement to the political council. the president, or rather, the national security adviser, the president of the united states of america, and who outlined his vision for winning the war while in kyiv. let's hear what he is said from the rostrum of the white house and from other rostrums, i said that ukraine must win. today i say here, ukraine must win. what does it mean? this means that ukraine will be sovereign, independent and free after this war. able to deter future aggression with a strong living democracy, with deep democratic institutions, with a

developing economy. over the past few days, the americans have made several such statements. jake sullivan said that ukraine should win. lloydin, who performed on rammstein 20 declared that ukraine, ukraine will not be allowed, will not be allowed to be defeated. and why does washington not talk about it. that russia must suffer this defeat, or that ukraine must defeat russia, or russia must be without putin, or russia must be in some other form, or russia must be demilitarized, denuclearized, well, in such a state that it does not threaten anyone. why is official washington so restrained in rhetoric? i think there is one simple reason, well there are actually many, but there is one key one. it consists in the fact that to this day, washington does not have a clear understanding of this victory

over russia, what is a victory for them and what to do with the defeated russian federation, they have this fear, it is largely, you know, existential, i.e. they can't find any explanation for it, what will happen to a huge country that has the largest nuclear potential in the world, will it not lead to some, well... bad consequences that the united states of america will no longer be able to control in any way, so they say no as much about the defeat as about the defeat of russia , as much as they say about the necessity of the victory of ukraine, yes, but you can actually put a lot of things into the victory of ukraine, and even the statement of mr. salevan, well, it caused one such warning, if you listen to it all, he spoke about victory, democracy, the economy and so on, but there was no mention, for example, of... the internationally recognized borders of ukraine, and you know, i am far from having any theory about the language, but i perfectly understand that such things, they are very

detailed representatives are preparing there administration of the white house, and when they make ... such statements, they are very verified, that is , they have an approximate outline of the victory of ukraine, well, it is at least to hold all the territories that we currently control , to develop the economy, to preserve democratic institutions, to strengthen the national security and defense, and many other such things, to return there, maybe part, and maybe all the territories, yes, but they are very careful about this, but they will not talk about the defeat of russia now, because they believe that a it will trigger russia and it will her... there, if they were to provoke some inappropriate actions, including those related to nuclear weapons, and b, they simply do not have this plan, they are afraid to talk about these things, because they believe that this problem, well, it is such unsustainable, and it will be impossible to decide in practice what to do with a disintegrated russia, what this disintegration should be and in general what path should be taken, and you understand right away that the problem is that the experience, for example,

of the collapse of the soviet union, it will not work in the situation which has developed now in the territory of the russian federation and will take place, for example , in the future, and therefore they do not even have the opportunity to compare with anything, well , to build such plans from this, only one thing can be said to justify them: there is no such plan not only in the united states of america, i am afraid , that there is no such plan, well, practically all other countries that are currently partners of ukraine, that is , they are not thinking so much about the defeat, disintegration, disintegration, denuclearization, and physicalization of russia, as they are thinking about... about how to help ukraine to be preserved and to stand in this war against russia. but the fact that jake salevan did not talk about borders and that ukraine should return to the borders of 1991, does this mean that washington admits that peace with russia, in some form of ukraine and russia, is possible, including on

the condition that russia will control part of the ukrainian territory. i think that 's the way it is, and look, there's no betrayal in this, we just have to understand one simple thing: countries that are even our partners, they 're looking at different scenarios, they have it on the table there are at least three scenarios, optimal , some pessimistic and, you know, more or less, for example, realistic, and one of these scenarios, at least, and maybe not even one, does not involve going to the borders of 1991, just an important clarification, as of today... the scenario that ukraine is pushing, the ukrainian peace formula, the return to borders and so on, it's at the top of that stack of scenarios, but it could be lower, or even at the end . we must understand it and do it all, of course, in order for this script to be on the mountain. but the fact that they are considering different options is no secret to anyone. just look at the activities of think

tanks in the united states or in certain european countries. they produce almost every month certain scenario forecasts, which primarily concern the russian-ukrainian war, and they draw various scenarios there, which are very favorable for us, and there are those which, under any circumstances, we cannot consider, but they they come from the data they have, from the methods they use to prepare these scenarios, and they reach the authorities to a certain extent, and the authorities process them, take them into account somewhere, postpone them somewhere. and some ask, for example, to paint and lay out in more detail there, well , i will say even more, we should also deal with these things and have several spare options just in case, not in the plan that we should promote them, no, we should have one and the one that is, it is absolutely correct, it should be key, but oh well in case of developments there, for example, in a context that is not very positive for us, we should have some backup options, and these

options should be offered by ukraine itself. so that we are not then shown some scenario and told that we will move according to it, if you do not want, then you are on your own, but that we, in principle, be the initiators of the implementation of certain initiatives. during the last few days, we have witnessed the activation of beijing and delhi, or nothing in the matter, in the ukrainian issue. the politician wrote about the fact that xijin pin is going to to come to emmanuel macron in may, officially it is... china's diplomatic relations with france, and there, among other things, sijin ping is going to talk to macron about peace in ukraine, about the peace issue. in parallel with this, we see how the prime minister of india, on rendra modi, first called putin, congratulated