the destruction of their infrastructure is taking place, this does not cause the russian people any righteous anger, it does not unite in any way, because the russian people clearly understand what is for what, this is just a normal retaliatory strike within the framework of military operations, and all these, that they are telling you some nonsense about the fact that they will strengthen there, they finally say no, it does not add up, from the point of view of military operations , you can do anything. no russian people will unite there for anything and there will be no response to such direct actions there won’t be any, only a terrorist attack , that’s why the terrorist attack is an absolutely fsb story, they are familiar with it, they really perceive a terrorist attack as something painful , as some kind of way out, well, according to the rules, it’s outside the rules of war, that’s why the terrorist attack, that’s why, and that’s why we’re watching it all , i say that we will watch

a full-fledged performance right away tomorrow morning. thank you, ola, i am turning to olga musafirova, and tell me, here is the whole story, it will somehow be perceived by those who, who are sitting near the televisions watching russian televisions, near televisions from russian tv channels, will they chew on all this again, well, there is a generation that also remembers... the chechens, the so-called chechens, who seem to know that sugar is there in ryazan, or that they brought in, well , explosives in remember, in the basement, and then later someone called the fsb there to find them there and explain that bags of sugar were brought there in general, and they just wanted to check whether the fsb would react to it or not , and we remember these investigations, which were introduced by the late

boris berizovskyi, filtishinskyi, who and litvinenko wrote about how putin simply blew up russia in order to come to power, there are still those people who remember it and obviously know it, or is it the hatred of ukrainians that over the last it was cultivated there for 20 years in russian society, or it will simply lie on some good soil, tomorrow they will say that it was actually... there were fighters of the red army, or in general it was gur of the ministry of defense of ukraine. how do you think they can play this whole story? you know, people who know, remember and understand, they they don't watch russian tv. russian tv is watching plexus, fishy guppies that can be scared, and actually them, that's actually scary. if you remember, putin

began his first presidential term with the following phrase: he is dipping in the sorter, actually right now his eyes are scared, mortally afraid that tv viewers will be begging to dip in the sorter absolutely all enemies of russia, and those who are scheming. the remains of the unhappy, poor, no russian opposition, it is already justifying itself, it is not us, we have no relationship, of course, the main debt is ukrainians, and even if the official tv will not directly point to the ukrainian trace in this terrorist attack, that they did it...

everyone with whom we are at war, whether we are not at war, but denazify them, then russian tv viewers will be trained to demand it ourselves, we know that it was infiltrated by the drg, there from kyiv, scumbags, they decided to report for odesa, for kharkiv, for dniprogez, for kyiv, for everything, in fact, this is such a ploy of psychosis, on... full of fear , again, i repeat, it is very effective in russian society, because it feeds everything that they have already painted in their imaginations, they can tolerate humiliation, well, it's not about russians at all, humiliate them according to the classics, mr. biot, turn the other cheek, they can tolerate almost inhuman living conditions. well

, if only there was no war on the territory of russia , it’s terrible here, that is, it can happen to anyone who, according to the version... and the main terrorists, well , of course, are ukrainians, so i again bend my line, that this story, it has on purpose, i have no doubt that this is an inspired terrorist attack, and it is inspired by the masses patriotic mobilization and end this war with the victory of russia, as long as you can, because if another year, two, three, well... society will begin, you know, to say a little that we have strained, it is difficult for us, a huge army has been gathered here, they have struck and finished this story, well, such a devilish, let’s say, thing, for the sake of which there are several dozen or hundreds, we

don’t know how many people there died in this crocus, for the sake of this lofty goal in quotation marks of their co... namesakes, you don’t have to feel sorry, well, by the way, by the way, we'll see indeed, tomorrow morning, history will lead to exactly this path, it has already, it has already led to this path, yes, i can already see medvedev's post, let me just read it, terrorists only understand counter-terror, no courts and investigations will help, if force... force is not opposed to force, total executions of terrorists and repression against their families, they do not yet know who they are, but they will already be perpetrating terror, but the phrase is beautiful, if it is established that they are terrorists of the kyiv regime, and and it is necessary with him, and

it will be necessary with them, everything is literally necessary without burning, and right then and there i can already see the interrogation. different, let's say, back-up singers, putin, putin began to wet his first term in the toilet, the fifth term must start with the same, well, they are actually unfolding, you know what else is interesting, let me add some interesting details to you in general about this whole stories, because everything there is much more interesting than it seemed, well, first of all, they say that 40 people were already killed, so they ran there... without masks, absolutely, as it turns out, and immediately they started shooting and everything, but what is interesting, in the next hall of the same crocus hall, there was a very big children's competition, a ball, and

there were just hundreds of children, and i think that in fact this whole story just miraculously did not turn into a mass murder children, that's what she was most likely... aimed at. absolutely all pain points should be involved. well , by the way, information has appeared from various countries that are close to the kremlin, there and to putin, where egypt condemned this terrorist attack. nothing is known yet, it is not yet clear who it is committed, who committed this terrorist attack, but they are already there starting to talk about the need to find these terrorists, well, the question is that... what in this situation, if they will search among their own in russia, this is understandable, if for according to medvedev's logic, they will go , as they say, to the kyiv regime, then medvedev offers death for death, well, that is, he

literally wrote in his telegram that death for death, if there is and will be proven the involvement of people who officially... persons, who are involved in this, then they must all be found and mercilessly destroyed as terrorists, that is, it seems to me that they have already painted this big picture, which tomorrow they will simply show, isn't it, near musafira, i think so, because this is a well-planned operation, i think that it was not planned in one day, and what russia knows how to plan. well, it’s not two years, we feel it all on ourselves much more, and the fact that the value of human life and the life of a child, for the kremlin, is absolutely worthless

compared to the achievement of the goals that they have drawn for themselves, then this is a clear testimony, well, at least i understand why there the fire started. because it's not entirely clear, they entered, started shooting and our something throwing checkers, i'll tell you, even for those who attacked, to start a fire, it's dangerous for them, so why start it, now i understand. since there is a children 's competition, they simply expected that there would be victims among the children, yes, and it is even more emotional, yes, but judging by everything , they somehow managed to get the children out there, well , what is happening, the scale of what is happening in this crocus, it is clear that there are several there of people who accidentally went there and had no idea what, what, where, how to do, but what they do, what they are under... is this whole shopping and entertainment center, what are they there shot so many people , well, it shows that people clearly understood, and

obviously many people helped these people to do it, it just doesn't happen that people with machine guns came in, just shot in a shopping and entertainment center, set it on fire, there is a big fire going on right now , information on these information agencies appears propagandistic russians, that is... well, tomorrow it will be obvious that there will already be some preliminary decisions and some kind of verdict , but what, what does this threaten, if, if they come out, well, come out in quotation marks against ukrainians, how does this threaten ukraine, taking into account that , that they have been destroying us for the past two days, in fact, what does this threaten, nothing new, i think that it will simply be a motivation... for, well, first of all, repression inside the country, this is definitely necessary, they need it , because without it they simply

cannot mobilize another one, mobilization remains an unpopular idea , as i say, no strikes on ukraine, no battles on the border or inside russia itself, will not increase the popularity of the war among russians, but it has been at a stable level all this time, it is so high, but they themselves are not eager to fight, but they are very pleased with... watching it from afar, and when it comes to mobilization, this idea is very unpopular in russia, and this will simply be a motivation, why mobilization again, why it is necessary to close everything, why it is necessary to literally , well, brutally clear anything and anyone, that is, this is the strengthening of internal repressions and this is the strengthening of mobilization, i think, well, they finally announced that they want to draft another 300,000, well, into the army. where will they get them from, well, just where, well, that is, close, so that you simply understand the whole

depth of this story, the other day there was news that it seems that two large colonies have closed in the kaliningrad region, because there is simply no one to sit, how many have closed somewhere it is not known in the depths, well, that is, they even already have this resource of those prisoners, which in there was, it ran out, they are running out now , they tried to send migrants to the war, those people they deceived there, came as tourists, or as those they would transport them across their western border, then caught them, sent them to the front , all this is a fairly limited number of people, they need to get mobilization resources from nowhere again , objectively, they wasted too much of this resource on the storming of avdiyivka alone, what do you see next? the front is not moving because they have run out of shells, they just don't have any ended, but it does not move as

much as they dreamed of it, because there is no one, there is simply no one to go there on foot, so they absolutely have the same problem of mobilization, and it has not gone anywhere, now we need some kind of motivation for what well, in general, well, to announce that they are still fighting, they had a special operation going on all this time, well... this is simply what is now considered as such a method, i just see it on the russian airwaves, this is the method, you know, to breathe a second life into all this military history of theirs, and now to say that we had a special operation, now a full -fledged war has begun, it’s such a... you know, a ploy, but you understand that for the average russian, if not the name, but still he doesn’t want

to go anywhere, he wants to sit somewhere far away and to bomb ukraine, that’s all point , he doesn't want to go to war, he wants to watch it like in a movie, here he still has to be sent there somehow, well, they will send it, thank you, ola , i'm turning to ola musafirova, tell me, tell me, give me two ulyas , to make it clearer. tell me, but putin still has that support, well, the support is high russian society, russians gave him theirs. votes, and probably more than half of them, that's for sure, despite the fact that they voted, how much they voted, 20% or 15 or 25, it is not known, but they did not vote only for putin and gave these votes, but they voted for the war, because putin is waging war, and accordingly, if they

like this policy of destroying ukrainians, then they elected putin, or is it possible to put an equal sign like that? putin is war. you can put an equal sign: putin is war, and you can put in my opinion as a sign of equality: putin - russia. although a large part of the russian opposition protests against this, i will still insist that this is a relevant comparison. well, my newspaper did its own research, i won't repeat it. there is a scientist there based on certain mathematical calculations, who has mathematical calculations, so 31 million votes for vladimir putin were thrown up, attributed, it doesn’t matter, it’s less, but there are 60 percent, 60 with a good tail

are present, this only speaks... about the quality of the voters and what they perceive putin as an integral part of their lives, and the fact that putin's program is the whole world against us, and we alone know the right path, they share this opinion, and further with such a mass, you can only work on those revolutions that... he is now setting , because, well, after all, something new , sharp had to be thrown up in order to start the next presidential term, well, start loud and bright, but actually before that there was a cropus, and now russia has no other way out than to completely

switch to military rails, and no one croaks like we do? on terrorists, that's all the first swallow, and then terrorist attacks will begin in other large cities, no one knows what will explode tomorrow, so we must unite, give the last of our salaries, our pensions, demanding nothing from the president except victory, actually not only over ukraine, but and over the western world, because... in the logic of the russians, nato and europe have been fighting against them for a long time , they will now fight with the whole world, but for this presidential term this program is the minimum, the same program is the maximum, and that is what suits them, well, obviously, after that this happened in crocus, obviously ukrainians, just like in 1999, chechens

will be registered as terrorists and, well, i... i assume that, that this can happen, and for some reason i remembered this story, where putin went immediately after how the preliminary results of the elections to the federal security service were announced, he also met with the fsb there, and in principle, this was the first visit, and it was a symbolic visit, usually such things do not just happen, he made it clear that he full power, relatively speaking, in the country. also delegates the fsb and the fsb is the basis in general this regime of putin, and after what actually happened three days later, it now becomes absolutely clear, that is, the country is moving into a mode of control, full control of the federal security service, and behind this, well,

the fsb is known for its bloody terrorist attacks, but what, what actually ... how events will unfold further, it is very difficult to understand, but no, exactly, you know, i think that it is possible that we can mark, mark this moment, as in general the transition of russia to total war, not to special operations, but how is the transition of russia to of total war, this moment, well, that is , the official declaration of war, well, maybe it will not sound exactly like an official declaration of war, but , as you know, the narrative will change, the very essence of propaganda will change, that is, they, they will change, it will be more obvious that they already live. in a state of total war, it's not that there is some simple mobilization of someone, somewhere , that's who, some volunteers, as they used to say all this, that with us it's all voluntary, no, all this, i think that all this should end and in

it will go to a state of total war, when no one asks anyone anything anymore, secondly, i would of course now advise those ukrainians who are there on the territory to flee, right now, because i think that first, what will they do there, if they announce... that these are ukrainian terrorists, they will simply destroy and imprison ethnic ukrainians who ended up there from the same occupied territories, for example, on the territory of russia, so yes, i think that such and such it will look like this. hello, how, how i turn to olga musafirova, how, how, how this whole story, how, how this whole story will allow putin to do this. the kind of russia he dreams of, that is, completely controlled, completely aggressive, absolutely the kind that will allow him, well, to do absolutely

anything, until the moment he gets a bullet in the temple. well, actually, he is already practically living in the land of his dreams, there is very little left, but you know, it occurred to me that a terrorist attack in crocus will allow to reformat the goals. svo, because the goals of svo, well, at least according to the logic of the kremlin leaders until today, there was this ridiculous denazification and demilitarization , which, well, mostly no one in russian society understood, and we have already talked about it many times, and well, it’s just that, it’s funny, yes, there are people with swastikas on their chests, pierced, they... go to ukraine, fight nazism and so on and so forth. but when to reformat, to reformat this entire story to fight against ukrainian terrorism, this

is available to the common man, yes, terrorists, and how are terrorists treated, with them in negotiations do not go ahead, they are simply destroyed, that is, the arsenal of those methods that they ... and without that are used in ukraine is being expanded to the maximum, in particular strikes on peaceful cities, there are extrajudicial executions, i don’t want to just list them, but that’s what russia is getting now the force of the law, because they, they oppose the terrorist, terrorist state of ukraine. here, i think, i will not be mistaken, they save themselves, because ... that the entire svo, they have gone into a deep corner, and thus they inspire new life, rather,

new death. we should be aware of this, and i really hope that the joint response of the western countries, which have recently, well , behaved in such a way that even... it is difficult and sad to comment, but this story will finally force them to mobilize the west. thank you, ola, ola, well, i also see it, it’s interesting, here they literally cancel all mass events throughout russia, you know, well, this is an exaggerated reaction, really exaggerated, because this reaction is not, well, we, it’s not the first shootings in russia, i understand that...massive, but they have had school shootings, for example you remember, and there were also deaths, well, there were a lot of dead, also dozens, but then

they did not cancel studies in all educational institutions, but now they cancel, well, that is , it is a production, absolutely, it is simply straightforward, they are trying to create mass hysteria directed directly so that it affects everyone, you are not going to study tomorrow, absolutely all concerts are canceled, everything... everything is canceled in a circle, everyone should feel that they are living in a state of panic, hysteria, that it should concern everyone, well and and i will say that in russian it really works, because they already have, you know, it's like pavlov's dogs, they were still vaccinated, it was during the chechen wars, when it was used several times, and unlike us, for example, we don't have such a reaction, we can't even understand such a reaction, well, terrorism, yes, yes, for us - it's just that you know, well, it's not even fully understood, because there is no such history, and for them, terrorism -

you know, it's a challenge . it immediately turns on some red light bulbs in my head, it's like that in reality, such frustration, panic, hysteria , all these things, that is, this is a completely different , slightly altered state of consciousness occurs, well, that is, yes, i think that this is exactly what they are trying to achieve, and this is this is just completely, i completely agree with the oil, it completely reformats both the goals of war and how this war and... how they will interpret this war. thank you. olga len, olga musafirova were guests of our program today. colleagues, thank you for participating in the program. let me remind you that during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about such as whether ukraine should strike russia's critical infrastructure, the response to strikes on ukraine's critical infrastructure. so, the results of our television poll are 96% yes, 4% no. we

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