mr. bohdan, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings, mr. serhiy, thank you for the invitation. i would like to start with such a simple question, why exactly did your team decide to take up this direction, because you are such certain neophytes, newcomers to the market for the creation of unmanned vehicles, and then the question arises, what were we planning to do and what do we have on today. actually, it all started with a deep understanding of the problem, the co-founder of the company is an active military serviceman, an entrepreneur who from the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia , he was mobilized into the ranks of the armed forces, and during this time he conducted a huge number of reconnaissance flights, on different types, different classes of aircraft, at different distances. the enemy

, destroyed a lot of enemy assets and actually realized what were the weaknesses and things that could be improved and strengthened in those unmanned systems that the defense forces are using, so we actually put together a team, and the team is quite young, and this is actually a good example of , that quite engineering complex technologies can be developed very quickly. we are now a little more than six months old, we have assembled a fairly strong team, which in general has been attached to more than a hundred unmanned aerial vehicles that are already in use on the battlefield, and we are actually actively engaged in embedding our sovt. then the question arises , what are the features of your intelligence complex in comparison with those samples that are used today with...

first of all, this is software, in fact, all the products that fly today are not something unique, planes, modems, tools communication, cameras are standardized, quite universal means, and what we do is software that allows you to significantly automate the entire process of performing a reconnaissance mission. today, the construction of a reconnaissance mission takes about one and a half to two hours for a professional crew, for this it is necessary to have about five different tools, these are laptops, various chats in signal, and various systems of situational awareness, and actually have a large and experienced crew, and what we do is we automate those processes, we automate situational awareness and,

we fully automate the steps that the operator must perform in the construction of the route and in the execution, therefore our main task is to increase the survivability of the boards, and we all understand that the boards of this class are quite expensive, a bird that flies 60-100 km is quite expensive , we are talking about tens or even hundreds of thousands of hryvnias, and this... problem is relevant both for ukraine and for nato countries, we actively work with similar bokts from there, and we quite often see how such an expensive and valuable the bird gets lost or is shot down after literally a few flights, and therefore we took for ourselves the main task that we are solving, it is the survivability of the product, accordingly we build software, and this software is already useful for our bos. operators, we use

it to perform combat missions, ah, well , actually other manufacturers of unmanned aerial systems, they are also interested, and this is a common goal, we are working to increase the survivability of assemblies, because there are a lot of them, in modern war, when we see several thousand kilometers of the front, us a large number of devices are needed in order to scout targets at distances, this is air defense, this is complex. and these are ammunition warehouses , command posts, ah, that is why we are working on this, mr. bohdano, what should i tell you in more detail about the complex itself, first about the expected or possibly achieved technical characteristics and what role will be played by artificial intelligence, about which i started our program , what exactly you manage to provide, which indicators to increase, in particular, i understood that this is a reduction of the mission, this is one component, but i think that this is not a witch. bayan so,

certainly. when we talk about the butar-1 unmanned aerial system, ah, a big advantage is the vertical report and landing. ah-ah first of all, it helps operators to reduce the time to deploy the complex , to start a combat mission, and also to successfully complete it, ah, tested many different variants of notes and landings, ah, found out that vertical flight and landing is one of the most effective, ah, we don't talk much about the characteristics for obvious reasons, but we work with public information. at distances of 60 km from the launch zone, and we have a fairly high-quality camera, our benchmark is to see air defense targets at a distance of about 10 km from their actual location, in this way

, it is possible to spy on air defense assets without entering their range, ah, speaking about the software, it consists of two parts , we call it pilot, a system that helps the operator plan and execute the mission, currently we already have a complex for planning missions, which drastically reduces from an hour and a half to 10 minutes, ah, reduces time which the operator spends on quality mission planning , taking into account situational awareness , taking into account the weather factors of the technical characteristics of the aircraft. known air defense zones , etc., we are already starting to test this complex with other manufacturers, including quite large ones, those that have been on the market for a long time, and they also produce high-quality devices that are used by the defense forces, and

aim to increase their efficiency , because once again this war shows that there should be a lot of technical means and they should be sufficiently high-quality so that... there is a certain economic rationale in its use, mr. bohdan, but what about your navigation system based on artificial intelligence, which is either being developed or is already being implemented in the buntar-1 project, what are the features in general terms , because if there is no gps, you probably use other data as a base for orientation, an interesting experience of this war shows... that the technical means that were manufactured, including by ukraine, and especially by partner countries, they are not ready for a modern war, to modern level of radio-electronic countermeasures, which is actually inflicted by the enemy, and that is why the question of navigation is really

acute, due to the absence or lack of gps or its replacement, were lost, well... the number of sides, we know about it, that is exactly why we use several means for navigation, the purpose of which is to secure the aircraft from the enemy and, if necessary , turn it back, and one of the elements of this complex of technical means is visual navigation, which we are actively working on, it really has... parts of machine learning and artificial intelligence, and the main purpose is to see aa the substrate of the surface that is under the aircraft in order to understand where it is, in our case it is not

necessary to have a high accuracy of this system, because we are not sending strike drones there several thousand kilometers away, we need, there is no need for a large accuracy, so... the task is simplified, the task is not easy, and this is one of the products, in fact, for which we raised funds in order to create it, test it, actually in combat conditions and use it, but we have some success in this . when we if we talk about successes, then one way or another they must be confirmed by the results of one or another test, you said that this process is already underway, are potential users involved in this process from... our security forces, is there any feedback from the from the point of view of the evaluations of the effectiveness of the complex, perhaps something needs to be refined, and when this stage of testing is completed, in order to move on to other stages, there, in particular, either certification, or formalization of relations with the ministry of defense,

regarding the purchase of such a complex, if it will satisfy the needs of the military, but actually the product itself was created in the interests of a... end users, actually one of the co-founders is a military man who manages similar structures and similar complexes, and therefore... first of all, we already understood what the product should be, after that , more than 50 canvases were made, and we already understand the strengths and weaknesses of constant contact with servicemen, with various branches of the military, and in fact we want to note their great involvement, great interest and great willingness to help, because actually they feel a lack of complexes of this type, and... so they are of course most interested in helping in every possible way and when

we talk about improving the characteristics, we started with civilian components, and in the beginning there were components available that anyone can buy in free access, but actually in the results of such checks, tests and tests, it became clear that after all aviation... is not a cheap business, it is a very highly specialized business, in which they have to be highly qualified specialists, and those components that show themselves well on the battlefield in difficult conditions, both weather, ah, technical, and actually under the action, ah, countermeasures of the enemy, they must be high-quality, expensive, we we use western components, we do not depend on china, er, and similar... countries under sanctions or hostile to us in some respects, and therefore

a lot of work is going on, and this is a large engineering project, in fact, for this we have attracted enough a large amount from private investors for to quickly make a product that meets the needs of the military. you mention, first of all, investments from individuals who are interested in this project, so that... it was sooner implemented in the format of such a competitive product, and what about state aid, were there any solutions that helped you solve certain points of related to the creation of your intelligence complex, an excellent question, we passed the authorization of breivan, and the main state body that, under the ministry of digital, helps to develop such a... innovative products, at the moment we are waiting for a grant from them, it is 25 00 $, which will also

help us in development, but the largest part of the funding is, of course, private investment, and when we started this company, we were not sure how much the country, which is in a state a serious war for survival, will be able to... as far as we can find investors here, however, good results, we saw that both people in ukraine and abroad, ah, understand the problem, ah, they understand how and that this market will grow, that those products, which are currently being developed and tested in ukraine, they will be competitive in the future on world markets, first of all, on the nato market, and, at the same time , they have... a great motivation to help us, as a company that helps the defense forces

of ukraine, we see a lot of interest and a lot of help, and those investments that we attracted were both large sums from specialized investment companies and small parts of people who just wanted to help us, and thus we see a big problem, that in funds... cannot be given to ukraine take it beyond the limits, and in fact there is a lot of capital in ukraine, there is a lot of capital, and actually there should be quality projects, it is clear that there are investors who are ready to invest in it, you are talking about financial capital, it really exists in the state, but there is still human capital, and the question arises, how many people are currently working on the project, is there a need to expand precisely, well, teams that can... speed up the production of this product, and relatively speaking, now we are talking about

one so far, as i understand it , a complex on which all technologies are developed, emerges the question, after all the tests , the question of scaling production, so the two questions, the people and the ability to scale, and you very correctly combined these two, these two subjects into one question, because... and human capital, skilled engineers are the biggest problem , aa currently we have more than 25 people in our team, and we are actively growing. primarily in the direction of production, because, going back to our previous business experience, we know how to create a software product with little effort, and to establish management, withdraw funding, but production still remains a very capital-intensive and resource-intensive

process, and if we look at any production of both... countries, nato countries, and russia itself, we actively look at what means, technologies they are used, then we will see that this is still a rather manual process that requires highly qualified people, and this is the biggest problem, we are actively working on this, we have quite a lot of vacancies, and moreover, the situation in which there is ukraine shows that currently a... the involvement of civilians in defense companies is extremely relevant, there is a popular phrase that you are either at the front or you are helping those who are at the front, and we see that those who are involved in the development of certain engineering solutions, well, they are really helping this war, sir, thank you very much for such interesting

details, i hope that after some time we will be able to... meet again and talk in more detail about the results of your complex on the battlefield. i will remind our viewers that it was bohdan sas, co-founder and development director of buntar aerospace. this company develops a drone long-range reconnaissance aviation complex called buntar-1, based on the capabilities of artificial intelligence. and then we will talk more conceptually about the use of artificial. intelligence in different directions of different types of armed forces, because one way or another this direction will require such certain explanations and details, because we know about the latest weapons usually from the stories of the developers themselves, who are not fully interested in announcing the details, so

it is necessary to understand from one on the one hand general things, but on the other hand quite critical treat what... the manufacturers themselves say about it after the advertising and informational block. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess events, analyze them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:10 p.m., with a repeat on sunday at 10:10 a.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. vasyl zima's big broadcast. two hours of air time. two o'clock your time two hours to learn about the war and how the world lives. two hours to keep up with economic and sports news. two hours in the company of favorite presenters,

presenters who have become like relatives to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio. events of the day in two hours. big. vasyl zima's broadcast, a project for intelligent and caring people, in the evening at espresso. we continue our war and weapons program, where we are now trying to understand what opportunities artificial intelligence provides for the armed forces. and now we have oleksandr in contact los, former president of the antonov concern, doctor of technical sciences, current officer of the armed forces. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear the espresso channel on the air. dear sir, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. i would like you, relying on your own colossal experience, to explain to our viewers that artificial intelligence should still be understood by the definition when we try to tie it to the performance of certain military tasks. because i have the impression that even when even the elements of machine vision

we perceive it as a big step forward, but i think that the picture is much bigger'. niche and more complex, what is your view on these processes that we can now, well, see on the battlefield using the potential of artificial intelligence? you are absolutely right that there is , probably in society, a not inaccurate understanding of concepts such as artificial intelligence, machine vision, and indeed people are confused in terms, in concepts, in concepts, i would like to apply traditionally: for me, a scientific approach and turn to the origins and define exactly what is artificial intelligence, and i will define it based on the first in the world encyclical. the field of cybernetics , which was seen by the academy of sciences of ukraine back in 1973, based on all world and ukrainian achievements, including

the development of systems of anti-aircraft missile systems, computer systems for space webs, and so on, that is, these were already the results of scientific and practical work , which became generalized in 1973. allow me to read very briefly. this article from the encyclopedia of cybernetics, it is called artificial intelligence, then this term was still used precisely in ukrainian words, artificial intelligence , at that time intelligence, that is, artificial intelligence is an artificially created system of an arbitrary nature, intended for solving complex problems of a wide class, the term artificial intelligence is also used to denote a class of autonomous technical systems, i will note the year 1973 , which implement reception, storage and processing of information, form appropriate behavior on this basis in a wide class of phenomena, artificial intelligence systems are characterized by such

features as the perception of external information, i.e. machine vision, as we call it today, emotional evaluation of information, this is already the presence of the ability to analyze and make decisions, these systems are called decision-making systems on... new special hardware and software complexes, organization of actions, let's remember our delta system, a speech program that provides the ability to encode complex and not strictly defined concepts and phenomena, remember the gpt chat, a program of consciousness in which several levels are distinguished: attention, determination of spatial and temporal relationships, the idea of ​​one's own self in systems of artificial intelligence or intelligence, will, the ability to concentrate and direct attention, and we come to the most interesting thing: creativity. creativity is what today is already called generative

artificial intelligence, i.e. generative artificial intelligence, these are software and hardware complexes that, relying on the statistical processing of information that modern supercomputers are saturated with, were saturated with information thanks to such systems as google, bink from microsoft. and so on, and we come to to the creation of the so-called theories of intelligent automata, thus the concept of artificial intelligence and artificial mind is essentially a commercialized name that appeared as a product of the theory of the science of cybernetics, which developed simultaneously with the theory of space webs, is primarily for military purposes, for the same ballistic missiles, and not only and not... only for taking a person into space and the theory of so-called high energies, that is, the creation of nuclear weapons, and for this , already at that time, very powerful computers and theory, mathematical theory were needed

computing, and this was precisely what the institute of cybernetics, the academy of sciences of ukraine, was engaged in since the 1950s, and the creation of the definition of this very by-product of the science of cybernetics was the peak in 1973. until the 2000s, literally the ukrainian academy of sciences developed theories of information processing and decision-making systems, which essentially formed the basis of such systems as google, which today have turned into something similar to gpt chat and similar large language models, but what so far artificial intelligence can't, it doesn't have intuition, this trait, which inherent it has not yet been scientifically and mathematically rigorously described, so to sum up, because i said,

i again made such a very broad, but quick review for our respected tv viewers, so that they would have an understanding, the concepts of some conceptual, and where really elements of this, this science of artificial intelligence in the army. application, such elements are indeed pattern recognition thanks to any cameras, whether infrared or conventional television, for the guidance of the same anti-aircraft guided missiles, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, which , unfortunately, we saw just a few days ago, and unfortunately, it is not over yet, the decision support system, so -called, elements of this... we see in ukraine, and i hope that , that there will be generalization and systematization of this activity in ukraine in the future. well, this is extremely interesting such

a conceptual one. review so that there is an understanding that when we talk about artificial intelligence, in fact we are still only taking the first steps towards such a system product that should really have an impact on civilian life there, and forced now to military affairs as well, and in this context, i still can't help but ask that you, knowing all these approaches, concepts and advances, when you were developing your drone in... which actually relied heavily on decisions that should be done by a machine, not a person, what did you put into this project then, what could now help our armed forces in other directions, and perhaps in unmanned areas, using the potential that you put into this machine, which we now see on video.

you are absolutely right, i was in a paradigm, the one that i just described from the scientific point of view of the definition, the following aspects were used: from the point of view of high-precision weapons, er, as i said and at the press conferences, it is open that i rely on the great and great achievements of the past , that is, what is a high-precision weapon, it is accurate, it is a weapon ... that will not just quickly or ultra-fast come to the target, but precisely determine the target, focus on the target, capture and hit this target. this requires some sort of machine vision system. for example, for anti-aircraft missiles, aviation anti-aircraft missiles - these are so-called thermal sensors. you know them called infrared homing heads and stuff like that. this is machine vision. next, i

gave it as an example, the same. machine vision is a radar head, a missile radar, an aircraft radar that recognizes, through radio - through radio waves, recognizes the environment, that is, in the navigation and guidance systems of the s1 fighter , the principles of optical, radar, radio navigation principle, uh, data transmission in system controlling the flight of this fighter in order to reach the launch points of guided high-precision air weapons, such as anti-aircraft missiles, surface-to-air missiles, guided bombs, planning today, you already know, the russians have the so-called umpk kits, a copy american missiles from god and so on, now with regard to

the actual control... of the fighter, it also provides a high-precision inertial navigation system, well, what is this again, this is not some kind of novelty, but it is simply an implementation on perspective level, which is meant, there must be a high-precision calculator of navigational coordinates on the ground, and as long as it can, as long as there is an unobstructed radio line. communication with the fighter, the otra fighter receives this information, then the fighter goes, as stated in the 1973 definition , into autonomous navigation mode, into autonomous flight mode, and using its internal machine vision sensors, such as optical, radio navigation, goes to set launch points and performs a combat task, i gave one of the examples

multifaceted... and the possibility of using such a fighter. mr. alexander, then in fact we have two policies: on the one hand , this is a conceptual understanding of what artificial intelligence is? developments that implement this at the theoretical and practical level, in particular, as in your project one, and the situation is related to the current one.