yes, admiral bauer, he has this prepared position for him, it is agreed , it is a political position, he stated it, by the way , nato secretary general jen stoltenberg spoke online at the kyiv security forum, he said even more confidently, so that the statements are good, i spoke with admiral bauer, he, well , you know by himself, they are always military men, he... successfully commanded ships, he went through a lot on his own. their way is just real engagement in military operations, that's why these military people, they are more specific, but it's all the same politics, in politics, we need to implement what they say and turn it into real things, what nato can do, nato can do not much in fact, nato is, uh, the same

nato forces that used to be called rapid reaction forces, it's only a few tens of thousands and that's it, they're training now, there 's spanish helicopters, there's the first polish tank brigade, and there's also the british, it seems, who lead it, and it's only 7,500 on the ground alone, plus aviation, plus ships, that not such a powerful force that will turn the tide of the war, that's why we're not talking about nato, nato can... help with the means they have, they have a partial influence on intelligence data from such reconnaissance planes, they have , for example, additional possibilities of demining, assistance there in such humanitarian and military directions, that is, these things can be strengthened and it will be done, and we are talking about nato countries, nato countries are another story, exactly countries.

nato in the conditions of an attack on nato assembles its forces and defends itself together, that is why we need, nato's position is important, but it is important that it take active actions, even more so active of each nato member. and one more point, nato will never exist if it were to introduce troops there, nato troops on the territory of ukraine. but i want to say one thing, at the same time, separately. nato countries and i am not forbidden to take a more active part in this kind of presence, so in this case i perceived it, listening there directly to these speeches, as a feeling that more active steps should be taken, and this is an understanding already in nato, and in washington, in paris, and in berlin, one simply must not...

lose pace with putin, because frankly saying, they gave him, how it happened, this is a separate story, i don’t even want to delve into it, but putin was de facto given six months to take offensive actions, and what we are seeing now is the result of sagging activity precisely in helping ukraine, supporting, there was aid, and the usa provided it, and a package of 300 million, but that aid... would have been an opposition war for a maneuver, for something that liberates the territories, de-occupation, there was no such thing, putin got his chance of superiority, i think it is ending, and i hope that the next swing will go so far that we won't we will have to discuss the issue of procrastinating with help, after all, it seems to me that the understanding that this year is still critical, it is coming. i'll tell you, just

a few months ago, they called nato a country that could collide with russia or that russia would make a provocation in 5-8 years , german defense minister pistorius, then there were statements for 2-3 years, first 5 years, then two-three, now intelligence germany's year is 2026, and i claim that it can be even earlier, if ukraine is not strengthened, and this understanding is coming to them, or is there, is this understanding not only in germany, forgive me for interrupting you. and also in the united states of america, which currently cannot come to the aid of ukraine in the congress, well, in the united states, unfortunately, this soap opera, which was supposed to be a heroic saga, turned into a soap opera, they will pull more, and it is very important , it is not necessary to blame someone alone, there is a separate group, republicans, democrats, this is a joint result, this is a joint result, and in this result... there is actually even

a ukrainian share, which we did not show white house to our partners, how can lendlis put the table apply, how can you replay here jointly sign. there are still bilateral agreements, well, it has already gone back and lendlease is being offered again, loans are being offered again, and the time has already passed, so i think that i think that it is already clear that it is still coming to some kind of decision, one way or another, yet will take a few weeks, it already looks like nothing will happen before april 9, and there are still two weeks, but the main thing in these conditions is, first, america can still help ukraine now, they compensated in many respects denmark, norway, the netherlands. estonia, the baltic countries, have done, now we will see that france, president macron, who will bring specifically to kyiv, olaf scholz really wants, well, somehow his correct statements on the assessment of russia turned into correct decisions on some important aspects,

in that among the missiles that we really need, so i think that after all, this is the moment when everyone thought that that was it. ukraine can't stand it anymore, something needs to be done, it's already here again, putin will lose it here, and will, unfortunately, now try to press again, to try again in various ways, so-called peacemakers, mediators there, they are already drawing some buffer zones on the map of ukraine, shadow negotiations are already underway, i believe that this will not escalate, and it is very important for us now for the coming months... to prepare for autumn to achieve our goals. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was valery chaly, diplomat, politician, ambassador extraordinary plenipotentiary, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on ours

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greetings friends, on the air of the espresso tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, the story unfolds literally before our eyes in krasnohirsk near moscow, a shooting happened in the kroku city hall concert hall this evening, before the start of the performance of the band picnic. currently, it is known that 18 people died, that the truth is different , the statistics are also about 40 people and more than 50 were injured, let's see what happened this

evening in the suburbs of moscow in the kroku city hall shopping center. shoot with a machine gun, shoot at the crowd.

the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense of ukraine has already reacted to this the so-called terrorist attack and shooting in the suburbs of moscow, they in the department, meaning budanov , say that this is a deliberate provocation of the putin regime, which the international community warned about, we will talk about all this today during our second part. program verdicts, but let me remind you that during this program we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following: should ukraine strike at the critical infrastructure of russia? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have an opinion, please write in the comments, if you watch us in broadcasts, pick up your smartphones and vote if you think ukraine should strike russia's critical infrastructure, in response to strikes on ukraine's critical infrastructure, 0800 211 300. 81 no 0800 211 382 vote, all calls are free, at the end of the program

we will sum up the results of this vote. today in our journalism studio are my colleagues, journalist olga len, political observer, presenter of the espresso tv channel. ulyu, good evening. good evening. olga musafirova, correspondent of the new newspaper europe in ukraine. ulyu, good evening. thank you for joining our broadcast. well, actually, i will no longer ask you what you think, or whether ukraine should strike russia's critical infrastructure in response, because this is a kind of rhetorical question, but since there is a lot of talk about what in the international in the press, in particular, in the british financial times, there was a publication that ukrainians should not strike at oil refineries, it seems to me that... well, at least two olas, i think they support it, here

they say that these strikes should be, although let's exchange opinions in the format of a poll, oil, well, yes, i think it is necessary , because this is what supplies the russian army itself, the oil refinery, what is it, it's not crude oil, it's gasoline, it's aviation fuel for those airplanes that fly, after all, this is fuel for their crops, they are there to... it didn't seem that it was all very nice, well, nothing, they will buy it, let them spend the money that they should have spent there on weapons , will be spent on the purchase of recycled fuel. in the world, well, isn't it bad, i think it is fine. thank you, ulha musafirova. well, of course that's a rhetorical question, that's how it should be hit, i hope that these hits, they will continue, uh, because these are legitimate targets, uh, it's not even about, you know, revenge, ah you

us , violated energy facilities, and for that we will violate you, this is... a kindergarten, we have a war for survival in ukraine, and here, you know, either we, or us, i would prefer that we, and if us, everything that causes great harm to russia is positive for ukraine. beyond any doubt. colleagues, when we were preparing for the broadcast, we wanted to talk about the results of putin's so-called elections, but... literally in front of our eyes, a so-called terrorist attack or a terrorist attack is unfolding right now, it is not known for certain that the russian mass media cannot be trusted with what is really happening there, but in krasnohirsk near moscow, just an hour ago, in the kroku city hall concert hall there was a shooting before the performance of the picnic band, and at the moment it is known that 18 people died and

more than 50 were injured there. our band says that this is a deliberate provocation of the putin regime, and it must be said that at one time western special services warned that there would be a mass terrorist attack in moscow, and we know that the destruction of its civilians is putin's favorite political technology, he has been engaged in this since his arrival in big politics, we remember the terrorist attacks that took place in the late 90s -x in russian cities. we see that we saw what happened in nordosta, this story, when it is not unclear who was smoked, with this gas, poisonous gas and poisoned those who came to a concert or to a performance there, and it is clear that fear and terror - that's what usually

vladimir putin uses in his arsenal, of course, there is still very little information about... before that, but john kirby on behalf of the white house has already said that ukrainians and ukraine are definitely not involved in this terrorist attack, warning the fsb about that , that they can twist or speculate on it. olga, i am turning to olga musafirova, how do you assess what is happening there in this situation, it was predicted, putin continues his current activities and he needs it for something now after it already seemed b such percentages, which he drew 87, what, what is happening, how is it to perceive what is happening in the moscow region? well, first of all, i will say that putin is terribly unoriginal, he came to power with a terrorist attack, if you

remember, in 2002 there was a terrorist attack in dubrovka, and the current... coming to power is also marked by a terrorist attack, which i think he not without reason wants to consolidate russian society, that is, fear is one of the best consolidators for russians, and in order to mobilize 300-40. a million, no matter how many soldiers, soldiers for war in ukraine, this is a great opportunity, russia is surrounded by terrorists, that is, nonsense, well, fantastic, a terrorist country, shouts, keep the terrorists, those who did what

happened in crocus, i am more than sure that... there is no one there, it means that those who shot will not be found, some charred bodies will be found, which can be invented in retrospect any biography, and this will be exactly the impetus that the cradles always use, if we do not destroy them, but there are it means global enemies, because they... say that russia is no longer at war just ukraine, and as pishkov kampashka says, this event is a collective event that helps ukraine. although we know very well how they help us, that is, it is purely a solution to our own militaristic problems at this term of the presidential election, thank you ul,

ul, i am turning to olga, today there are two olgas again, and what pleases me, and olya, here in this story with by the fact that four or five days after... it would seem that this terrorist attack takes place because of the cloudy figure that was drawn for putin in the russian central election committee, well the shooting of people, uh, let’s talk, referring to russian propaganda or telegram channels, or the media, because there the information is probably also filtered, but what is it for putin now, if he seems to have received 87%, or not drew him 87%, he can say, "russia is united and we are united with the people, the people support us in the war against russia, against the whole world, why did he arrange this whole story with the shooting near

moscow? well, it's really interesting , because you said that we would not talk about elections, yes, but it turns out that this is a continuation of this story after all, because if it was necessary to arrange such a thing, then literally immediately after the elections, then there is an impression that... apparently, after all, there was no election, they did not show such support and did not they showed exactly the support for the war, as the government in the kremlin would like, that is, there is support for something there, but it may not be of the same volume, secondly, it is most likely not exactly militaristic support, well, that is, you understand, yes, and then look at what else is interesting thing, well, first of all , the suburbs of moscow were again affected, let's remember that... houses they blew up the fsb also near moscow, and in moscow too, on the volgadonskyi kashirsky highway, in many cities, but well, somehow, without

the moscow suburbs, literally nothing is possible, but here it is not even that interesting, but it is interesting that, well , i just think that the production should be full-fledged there, if, and we will see it, they, they can still show someone, something like that. well, there must be something like that, because i can already see how they are unfolding it, all the tv news has turned over, they have removed all the programs, it is already happening now, that is all broadcasts will now be about this , putin's headquarters in the kremlin is working at night, putin is working, so in the morning we will see the full production, i already hope, that is, they are already saying that they have detained someone, that is, it will be a full-fledged theater, absolutely full. dear , but you have to understand, well, you can imagine, it is literally packed with fsb rosguards, all of moscow and the moscow region, and

there some people suddenly run with weapons, well , it’s not funny to you, and they flee somewhere into the unknown, and they are not found, and they are with and no one stops them right there at the exit, that's it funny, because any mass event in russia, any concert, not a concert, we saw it on other news. when concerts of other performers took place, and, for example, these concerts were interrupted, there came some russian-type, all mad racists , disrupted the concerts, the police were drawn there even before anything happened, because there is an absolutely clear protocol that any mass gatherings where, roughly speaking, more than three people gather, the fsb and the police should be there, there were none here, yes, well... tell someone, but don't tell us that, because we know they are always there, if any crowd gathers, even to watch a movie, they must have the fsb and rosgvarda,

of course, it's just protocol, it's like the soviet union, excuse me, there all this was restored in full, it was not here, and they escaped these, as if these, this is all a complete lie, then one more moment, which i consider also very important in this whole story, eh this. .. pay attention, it took exactly this type of terrorist attack, what does this say? well, first of all, this whole story, this terrorist attack immediately pushed back the background, and the fact that belgorod is being bombed and all these conversations, moreover, well, no one changed the bombing of belgorod there, you know, entertainment programs, no one filmed it, this means that when military operations take place on the territory of russia, in belgorod, kursk, when their infrastructure is destroyed, it does not cause the russian people any righteous anger, it does not unite them in any way, because the russian people clearly understand what is for

what. it's just a normal retaliatory strike within the framework of military operations, and all these things, what are you doing? they tell some nonsense about what they will strengthen there, they finally say no, it does not connect everything, from the point of view of military operations , you can do anything, no russian people will unite there for anything and there will be no response there won't be any such, only a terrorist attack, that's why... the terrorist attack is absolutely fsb history, they are familiar with it, they really perceive a terrorist attack as something painful, as some kind of way out, well, according to the rules, it's outside the rules of war, that's why the terrorist attack, that's why, and so we observe it all, i say we we will watch a full performance right away tomorrow morning. thank you, olya , i am turning to olga musaferova, and tell me, this is the whole story, it will somehow be

perceived by those who, who are sitting near the televisions watching russian televisions, near televisions with russian tv channels, will they chew on all this again , well, there is a generation that also remembers the chechens, the so-called chechens, who, as it were, said that there was sugar there in ryazan, or that they brought explosives into, you remember, into the basement, and then later on. then someone called them there fsb to find and explain that bags of sugar were brought there in general, and they just wanted to check whether the fsb would react to it or not, and we remember these investigations conducted by the late boris berezovsky and filtishinsky , who also wrote about lytvynenko, that as putin simply blew up russia in order to come to power, there are still those people... who

remember it and obviously, who know it, or whether this is hatred to ukrainians, which during the last 20 years has been cultivated in russian society, will it simply lie down on some good ground, tomorrow they will say that there were actually fighters of the red army, or in general , it was a gur of the ministry of defense of ukraine, how do you think they can play out this whole story? you know, people who know , remember and understand, they don't watch russian tv, they watch russian tv on the plexus, fishy guppies that can be scared, and actually, they actually insisted, if you remember, putin was starting his first the presidential term from such a phrase is wet in the sorter, actually. now from him eyes

scared, scared to death that the viewers of rybka gupi will beg to soak absolutely all enemies of russia in the toilet, and on the komyslyachs, the remnants of the unfortunate, poor, no russian opposition, she is already making excuses, it is not us, we have no relationship. uh, of course, the main enemy is the ukrainians, and even if the official tv will not directly point to the ukrainian trace in this terrorist attack, what did they do, look, who are we fighting with, or not fighting, but denazifying they, the russian tv viewers are trained, will demand them themselves, we know

what is this... where did the drg penetrate there from kyiv, they decided to report for odesa, for kharkiv, for dniprogest, for kyiv, for everything. actually, this is such a trick of psychosis, a trick of fear, again, i repeat, it is very effective in russian society, because it fuels everything that they have already painted in their imaginations. they can tolerate humiliation, well, it's not about russians at all, humiliate them in the classic way, mr. biot, make a friend out of shock, they can tolerate almost inhumane living conditions, well, if only there was no war on the territory of russia, here terrible, that is, it can happen to anyone, x