that you are talking to is only embodying his decision and it is a pure waste of time, this is the lesson i learned because we talked for hours and hours with the russians about gas supplies before the winter of 2014, trade issues, other issues, and everywhere the situation was one and the same. they are playing games, their main ideas were imposed on them by putin, and putin is quite consistent in his words, you have to learn to listen to him, he talks convincingly about the war, a few years ago, when he started the war, he talked about crimea, crimea , they say part of the russian federation, when he intimidated ukraine, spoke about... russia, and

we can continue to pretend that we do not hear him, but now the worst has come true, we continue not to hear him, because ukraine, the west does not hear him, because ukraine for he is not a participant in the negotiations, for him peace means when in a month, in two to... the invasion of the 22nd year, he spoke about russia's place on a global scale. it is necessary to understand that the west must understand that what putin needs is not the territory of ukraine, but the territory of ukraine. in his understanding, this is a buffer zone. and he is very clear stated not so long ago, and now i repeat, you need to understand the entire register of available ones. options, what

is the measure ready to offer to mr. putin? this is the real question. thank you for this opinion. it seems that all our conversations about negotiations are primarily about ukrainians. western partners have leverage over ukraine, but how can they influence the russian federation. russian economy. not so big, it is necessary to speak in the language of sanctions, what sanctions should be improved now, what steps can the west put on the table regarding finances, continue to stop this war of aggression, stop and prevent other wars of aggression. i think that we all think that this conflict is connected only.

with ukrainian territory, but i repeat , this is a tactic that i call not looking at the sky, not looking at the mountain, we ukrainians do not need to be convinced that this is such a war, we have shown that we are ready to defend our land, we know how much there will still be provocations, we know how many options will be offered, all of them will be... fake options, because obviously, we need to realize that he currently thinks that he is stronger than he was a year ago, today he does not even think and does not allow the thought of peace negotiations with ukraine, we really need peace, we need prosperity and wealth, we need to fight, and this fight... will continue for several more years,

we have to defend our existence, not only with alcohol, but also on the international stage. well said, thank you, i want to give the floor to ambassador systanovych. in the west, in particular, we hear that everyone is in favor of negotiations, everyone is in favor of war negotiations are over. when and under what conditions will the negotiations begin? yes, most wars are non-negotiable, either won or lost, and everyone has to choose what you choose or have.

the intention to win a war or an obstacle, and some do not end at all, this is also a possibility that must be taken into account, and some ... and can go through negotiations and make the next war even more likely, say, the criticism after the first world war and negotiations is in the fact that many things were unresolved, and that's why it became an even worse, even fiercer world war ii. i would like to add that with regard to diplomacy, one of the most common things that are said about diplomacy is usually in the spirit. of cold realism, it is that there is no point in negotiating with our friends, we need to negotiate with our enemies, this should prepare us for this dirty business, sitting down for negotiations with the enemy, but we know

that quite often we really negotiate with with your friends, not with your enemies, and this is right, and the reason is obvious. it is not only that it is not always there is even a basis for negotiations with the enemy, now i don't see, let's say, no basis for an agreement with russia, all talk of negotiations is empty talk, but that does not mean that there is no room for diplomacy, here diplomacy can be of great value among friends and you, as a diplomat, can do something to ensure unity with your friends, and that, or so that those who are not yet your friends, or who have not yet decided, do not choose the wrong side in the end, it is also worth negotiating for this, and this task for

ukrainian diplomacy, in my opinion, and for western diplomacy as well, in particular american, ukraine has spent a lot of time. formulating the terms of peace, not because they believe there is any basis for a deal with russia, but to unite the front in the fight against russia, to, say, slow the rapprochement of, say, china with russia, in order to limit their cooperation, cooperation between russia and china, it is also. try to make sure that those who have not yet decided do not move towards your enemy, approach your position, but still very important for the diplomatic, for

the democratic agenda of ukraine, the us, and their allies, is to ensure that everything we do conveys. to the opposing side, a message that we are united, and an important test of this will be the washington nato summit, a message that we are committed to supporting ukraine and provided with everything necessary, it will also be a serious test for the american congress, a message that ukraine is working over his agenda. reforms, this is already a task for the ukrainian government, the message about that there is a general agreement on our side, regarding the goals, and the last thing, that it is also an effective message to the opposing side so

that they understand the hopelessness of their position, and on this basis it is possible to create a basis for ... negotiations for the sake of the end of the war, but it mainly depends on whether the situation on the battlefield improves, i think many will agree with your assessment, especially on the last, your last point, mr. tanzero, i want to appeal to you, your country and your leadership in the past, much has been done for to support e position of the negotiations, and we heard this from the elysée palace several times, and then the position of france changed, could you somehow explain the change of the position of france regarding the negotiations in particular, i

want to emphasize this, i do not represent the president here. the first thing is that we cannot have any kind of negotiation with russia, basically, certainly we can, that will be completely misleading for many very reasons, which is basically based on the very nature of this war. the very nature of war shows that there is no basis now for burnouts. russia has violated more than 100 international agreements and laws. secondly, if negotiations were conducted, say, regarding the territories, then this would also be a violation of international law, since it is said that ukraine, russia seized ukrainian. we also know very well that if we agree with

the fact that russia should receive ukrainian territories, then this will actually be an invitation to further aggression. we are absolutely aware of that. we are absolutely aware of that. and certainly we have to move in two directions, i think, and mr. macron made it clear, we should not accept such, these are all the so- called red lines drawn by russia. let's say, all the warnings that you can't shoot on the territory of russia and so on, that's all. violates 51 articles of the un charter, in particular

, and other laws of international law, and all this reluctance or fear of further escalation, all this misleads us, and gives russia the opportunity to dictate the agenda, we have been allowing russia for 20 or 24 years. it could be supported, but russia is absolutely evil and it has no desire for pirates, they take over ukraine, they... captured the territories of georgia, have encroachments on belarus, and intend to continue the violence in

syria. and it is also worth mentioning the support from russia, hamas, north korea, cuba and nicaragua, that is, we should not accept their red lines. and one more point is that we must consider all possible options, we must have a fairly clear vision, our goal, if the goal is to defeat russia, and we must defeat russia, and the french president clearly said this, we cannot do it. .. let russia win if we believe that the war,

which russia is conducting is not only against ukraine, against europe, then we must help to finish this work and help ukraine to win, to expel russian troops from its territory, in the end this will be enough, because we clearly know that if... russia does not suffers a complete defeat, it will regain its strength, after two, two, four, five years it will renew its aggression, that is, we must have a general picture of what russia is, what its goals are, therefore we must not only not accept their there is a red line, you should not be afraid escalation, should not be afraid of conflict. between nato and russia, which was talked about so often at the volnik summit: please don't do

this or that, because it will provoke a war between russia and nato. no, we should not bow to russia's threats to use nuclear weapons and so on. we must understand all these things and... clearly say that we are considering all possible options, we can talk about this in more detail. maybe we can too. also, we should not rule out the option of introducing our troops into ukraine, since this war is also ours war, and we cannot fight it behind the backs of ukrainians, conduct such a proxy war, we must

be fully involved in one way or another of this war. fine, thank you. here we have representatives of three nuclear powers, among our speakers, countries, these are nato member countries, and let's be honest, the nuclear dimension of this war distinguishes it from the previous world wars, the first and second. and it is partly because of this that we often hear that we will have to somehow find an agreement with putin, because otherwise we will face a threat nuclear escalation, we must give putin the opportunity to get out of this situation, so that he does not lose face, we probably heard

it said more than once. putin has been very open, candid about his... his goals, he didn't ask for an opportunity to save face or anything, ambassador sestanovych, i see you took the microphone, you have some kind of reaction, let me then go to ambassador ogrizk and ask you the following: suppose, after certain years, there will be an end to this war and it will be. and i understand that i understand correctly that such a settlement will reshape the euro-atlantic security structure, that it will be systemic changes

to a certain extent, what type of europe will appear in this case, what will it have from? to happen after the end of this war and when a peaceful settlement takes place so that nothing like this happens again. thank you very much, dear friends, allow me to be very undiplomatic today, i am now an independent expert, can explain what i want to say, frankly, i do not see any topic. no subject for today's discussion, i mean negotiations, ms. ambassador zerkal said that she had experience with russians, i can tell you that i have been involved in these matters since the mid-90s,

in various forms and aspects, i can tell you that we in... howl that there are some people who live on the moon today , i can tell you openly, frankly, that it would be much easier to find some kind of compromise with them than with the russians, i'm sorry to say this, but this has been my conclusion since the mid-90s, look, you can perhaps ask me why? because the russians. will decide at every step, well, this is the character of these people, this is theirs nature, and again, in my opinion, the question of the roots of such a russian policy is very important, with my friends from the center of russian studies, we are now trying

to understand this character of this country, nature. of this population and i would recommend this book to you, you can find it on the internet, it's called multidimensional racism, the beginning and the end, i really think it can help to understand what we're talking about and what we should do about it, i would say . and again, going back to your question, talking now about negotiations. brings me to another question: are we now going to bury international law, bury

the international order we have now. what does it mean to start negotiations with an aggressor? it means that we recognize that force will rule, that aggression is okay. that all crimes are normal, that you can do whatever you want, maybe everyone knows that russia committed a crime of international aggression? what type of negotiations can we have with this country, about what? that's why dear... friends, my idea is that we can certainly think of possible forms of such negotiations, but in my opinion

it would be much more interesting to discuss the future of this russia or post-soviet russia, and in this sense there are many reasons to start negotiations on the forms of this new state on this territory. and regarding militarization, demilitarization of this territory, denuclearization of this territory, and so on and so forth. this, in my opinion, would be much smarter than looking for, or at least forming some ideas, some scenarios, about nothing while we have this regime in russia. in my opinion, at least, it will be absolutely it is impossible to hold any negotiations, maybe after putin, that is another matter. so, let's

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is stronger together. greetings, friends, of course today we will talk about betrayals and victories, and about what tapes await us in the future, ukrainian tapes, where you can watch 20. u mariupoli and so on , we will certainly also mention oksana liniv, because the conductor, the most famous conductor in the world is ukrainian and in principle one of the most famous conductors, she got into a scandal again, and we will also find out the next thing, we will emphasize that some of the former ukrainian artists who have already received russian citizenship are still people's artists of ukraine, but they have the right

to be... buried, for example, in the baiko cemetery, and for some reason they are not deprived of these titles, i will remind you why exactly and what can be done about it, well at the very beginning i will say that in may , the film house, the word, the endless novel, will finally be released , it is a film by taras tumenko, and i can safely say that it is one of those long-standing films, that is, films that were filmed for a long enough time and went to their audience for a very long time , and the second one, it is quite expected, why? because already two years ago, the audience, some who came to the mykolechok open festival in chernivtsi, watched this tape and wrote mostly positive reviews, so other people started waiting, and we also want to to watch this tape, but no, it was not possible to watch this tape and finally... we already

see, firstly, the trailer, and secondly, we know that the tape will be released on may 9, that's the date chosen, i don't i know, to be honest, i have already stopped associating this date with budchi, but it will come out then, and i will tell you, i will remind you, first of all, we have to understand that there are two separate films, this is a feature film, a house of words and a documentary , i will tell you about the documentary later, now about the game. he, uh , taras tomenko took it off actually after released a documentary, it tells about this famous slovo house in kharkiv, it was built in the 20s, then the soviet authorities took great care of literati, writers, artists, who in turn glorified this country, and it was a terribly interesting period in general, very dubious , very controversial, of course those writers

cannot be idealized. because no one can be idealized at all, but now there are a lot of cool, really professional discussions around every inhabitant of this house, the word, the house was built deliberately for these writers, so that they could live comfortably there , there were different places, i don’t know, bars, restaurants, solariums, and here they gathered there for their various readings, for their various parties there, and here we go... we know , that with the beginning of the repressions, these writers became disillusioned and later became victims of this regime, many of them were shot, and those who remained, some were so frightened, for example, like a sturgeon, that they began to write such even more propagandistic works, here are some of them they started laughing, there were different reactions, well the main character of the house, the word endless

novel, was mykola chola himself. who himself shortened his age and