french media, french journalists rush to these topics, because they have this desire to talk about russia, to try to understand it, this deep russian mysterious soul, it exists, i don't know how to explain it, and if it is due to the duration of historical ties between the two countries , some hidden or undisguised russophilism of the french, but this interest is there, on the evening of the terrorist attack, all news channels went into a non-stop marathon about the events in moscow. it's just to give you an example when putin makes some big statements, for example, there was a big one the speech when he annexed four ukrainian regions, it was broadcast on news channels, they broadcast putin's speeches and translate them with simultaneous interpretation. here are some examples of curiosity, a little unhealthy french towards russia, which of course is explained by the fact that you need to know the enemy face to face, you need to understand him, and maybe this will help predict his next move, but this... there is interest, and he is not going anywhere did not disappear,

and there is also empathy, and by the way, i will add that when voting took place in russia in pseudo-elections, the french had the feeling that oh, look how brave russians are, they go to the polling stations, they stand in those queues, this is a silent protest to navalny’s call, regarding navalny, here in general, if all the french reacted very, very quickly to this surname and saw in this to a person just as if there was a messiah, some kind of savior of russia, that's why... there is, although france, it is worth saying, remains with ukraine both in words and in actions, and we hope for victory. thank you, ms. maria, maria oleksayeshchenko, journalist, editor of french television, we had a communication, now we will break literally for a few minutes, but please stay with us, there are still interesting dialogues ahead. cream longit relieves pain, reduces. swelling

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transcaucasian branch of the army research center confessions of disarmament. congratulations mr. volodymyr. greetings, dear viewers, greetings. so, let's start with the tour of nato secretary general jens sto. to azerbaijan, georgia, iran, such a big visit, the first in several years, what are its real results? well, first of all, i would consider this visit in view of how the events are developing in the south caucasus as a whole, which are increasingly now the ecosystem of the russian federation, i consider this visit as late, certain in time, no there is no sensation here. it's even hard for me to define the country that was the key in this visit , which followed, let's say, one after the other, in my opinion, completely different agendas with the three countries, even georgia, which

constitutionally, let's say, goes to the eu and nato, actually the leader of the atlantic bloc to the current tbilisi for offered. concretely nothing can be done, the next phrases about 2008, and here the main thing, perhaps, is to highlight that ukraine and kyiv, for obvious reasons, now have different agendas than tbilisi, regarding the possible entry or approach to nato. armenia is more of a moral support, i would emphasize that, we all wish the administration of nikola poshinata success in its reversal from the russian federation, that's one. from european or world officials, who morally supported nikol pashinyan with azerbaijan, paradoxically, who does not try to intervene anywhere, he is the closest to nato because of cooperation with turkey, because of the standards of his own armed forces, and because of the experience of the 44-day war against

armenia and not only. this is how i see these results, and in short, if a certain conclusion can be made, they are consist in the fact that now rather he is not calling for something... stoltenberg in terms of promises of some prospects, it seems to me, he was more hinting at what a specific country of the south caucasus region should not do, without going into the ecological system of the russian federation in the current realities, so i see this visit. and in principle, in your opinion, azerbaijan is capable of getting closer to nato, meaning the unions from turkey. how realistic is it, or is it important for president aliyev to maintain a certain neutrality between nato and russia? you know, in georgia there is such a wonderful politician shalva popaashvili, the shameless one, by the way, he was the only one from power in ukraine, in bucha and so on. he expressed the approaches of georgia today, which he characterized and named as strategic patience. this may cause a crooked smile,

but it is true, and this phrase is relevant for each of the countries of the south caucasus, including azerbaijan. in the current conditions, i do not see any drastic steps. from the side of baku, because each of the three countries of the south caucasus live in a clear paradigm, not to tease the kremlin, that's how i see it, well, azerbaijan needs these drastic steps the least, because there is a security cushion from turkey due to the shushin declaration, of course, and if there are any tectonic changes, sorry for that, such conversations regarding the kremlin will also take place in russia, well, the most prepared the country will definitely be here for... if we talk about the georgian position, why did georgia suddenly react so painfully to the decision of the european commission to start negotiations with bosnia and herzegovina, by the way, 8 years after bosnia in general submitted an application to the european union, because it does not affect georgia itself, well, you understand

, you know what, it is, i see inertia here, a certain trolling on the part of tbilisi, nervous trolling, on the events that are taking place with european integration, tbilisi itself. you understand, one of the results of the period of the full-scale war, the great war since february 22nd, is that now the so-called associated trio, moldova, ukraine and georgia, does not exist , i want to remind you that in relation to kyiv and chisinau , the format of the contest has already been opened regarding introduction, a formally, georgia is one step behind ukraine, it only recently received candidacy, and that's how i see it. here is a certain trolling and a nervous reaction that we, in accordance with the fulfillment of the requirements of some standards, do not distinguish the specific information occasion from bosnia and herzegovina, and the same was heard in kyiv and kishenev, nothing more, believe me, i do not consider it , that i

evade the answers, but it is true. how do you see the election prospects of the government in general, what are the chances of the georgian dream keep your positions after. or in a month, there is no chance in the opposition to change, the status quo does not exist, there is absolutely no prospect. that the georgian dream, the party completely controlled by ivanishvili, can even get a constitutional majority, there is little time, you see, they even rewrote the requirements, there are no majoritarians, blocs cannot run for office, the 5% barrier for passing to the parliament, we can even get a de facto two-party system in the georgian parliament, when the second party will be a single one the national movement, which de facto... cannot in any way be abstracted from mikheil saakashvili, the future party of saakashvili, who is

still in botsigarni, this is in short, this is how i see it, and you can explain why georgian society, such a euro-european , euro-atlantic, supports the georgian dream, which is so careful about all these wishes of the citizens, well, the main political aspect of the georgian dream inside georgia is absolute shame, complete impotence and dispersion of opposition forces. this is the main capital, and they can use this capital do whatever you want, then a normal administrative resource, crime, cookies , etc., a full set that does not paint, let's say, the georgian system, but to which the europeans, observers and so on will not react there, understand a certain point that well, a very large percentage of georgian society, young people, primarily its stratum, lives according to the principle of a plague on both of your houses. do not go to elections, and this is an absolutely, well, let's say this, an absolutely ideal system under such an opposition for

any government in any country, there is no there is absolutely no paradox, for example , the mirror situation in georgian society with moldova, when there, for example, there is a discussion about the european prospects of moldova there 50 to 50 according to an optimistic, let’s say, distribution, how the population feels about the policy of the official chisinau, but there is an absolutely adequate position has a sanda in georgia, an absolutely mirror position of 80% pro-european society, but we see how the government behaves, but mathematics and geography play for moldova, ukraine is next to it and the armed forces of ukraine are next to it, that's why what is there because of transnistria, because of the sausage , well, nothing physical can do the russian federation at the moment, in georgia the situation is a mirror image and absolutely in my opinion forgive the bastard politics and slogans of the georgian dream, what do you want batumi... all to mariupol, we have preserved peace , that is, peace in the whole world, this will be the main

slogan of the georgian dream, which, if it works, will work, unfortunately, well , i don’t know if it is correct to say so, will absolutely work in an absolutely pro-european georgian society, it's just that if there were elections tomorrow, well , half of georgia would simply not go to them, that's how i see it, sorry for sumburg, tell us, can you explain to our viewers what is happening between armenia, armenia and azerbaijan. why does azerbaijan insist on returning four border villages to iran? see , the information field around the peace process between baku and irivan lives its own separate life. these are such points, there is nothing unique about them. the first moment. the second point is that the russian federation is categorically not interested in signing a peace agreement, not in russian federation, in signing in principle. in the signing under someone's moderation and so on, and we can already

say that she is not interested in signing if it is nikol pashenyan from armenia. what four villages? a small note, due to lack of time, but less with that, there are eight villages that are beyond the soviet borders, the so-called border enclaves or exclaves belonging to azerbaijan, but controlled by armenia and one mirror village on the territory of azerbaijan formally. now the process is ongoing at the level of vice prime ministers, he, by the way, by the way, it physically takes place on the border on the jivan-gazakh line, it is a couple of kilometers away from these four forces that have floated information to the surface. i believe that now we see the publication of certain, certain agreements between nikol pashinyan and aliyev, between yerevan and baku, because if we go along the delimitation line, even constructively, well... these villages will have to be handed over, there is an objective reality, to things, there is a mirror territory that

is controlled by azerbaijan, but without populated areas, that is, there is, let's say, pin-grut for compromises, if we understand the logic of peace and not the logic of war, it came to the surface, the armenian opposition began to moderate this system, they began to manipulate it from the kremlin, this is where the theme came from that if we do not hand over the four villages, war will begin. believe me, with the help of my armenian colleagues, i watched the full speech of nikol pashinyan, from which the phrase about the four villages was extracted and what he will begin. and this is not true, it is taken out of context and so on, a week has already passed, the war will not start in this direction, in fact, because he himself is fortified there by armenia and so on, but this process is quite difficult, because first of all nikolo pashinyan , it is difficult for him to sell this decision to the armenian society, because including pro-russian, russian propaganda

works out the theme that nikol pashinyan is a traitor, passes unilaterally. different positions of azerbaijan without having anything in return, and this, by the way, is a difficult point. azerbaijan feels calm, contemplating this process, indirectly, playing along with moscow. that is, without signing peace treaty, baku feels absolutely calm and adequate. if we talk about the ultimate logic, well, in the end, if we look specifically, it is now playing for downgrading, because baku, for example, did not come out and say about... the settlement of kyarka, which is there in nagchevan with the ararad region in armenia is located, he did not say eight points, he did not put forward there yet, but he could, so i see it , let's say, information support of the careful and constructive process of fasting, that's how i see it, but tell me, and azerbaijan itself will give this village to romania, which is located on its territory, and you understand,

there is a theater of the absurd, there is a real, real, real life... they don’t really want to, you know, that is, everyone forgot when they called the four villages yes, they are really on the border, they are really on the line, there is a question of building 7 km of road, or killing 700 people, i am speaking simply to fight for these villages, but there are three more villages and they can be the subject of exchange, now no one does not know how it will be, you understand, of course azerbaijan it may happen that we will not give you anything... we will take everything, this option is not rejected, but i still hope for a certain adequacy in this sense, well, it means that they can give some territory without or azerbaijan without people, as i understand it or not, look, now we are talking about four villages where there are physically no people, there is no one on the territory of

armenia, the territory of azerbaijan is controlled by the armenians. according to soviet maps, these four villages are according to soviet administrative division, there were enclaves on the territory of armenia that belonged to the border villages deeper, so there is a division right there, you forgive me, but it is important to understand, now we are talking about four villages, one of which is already de facto controlled by azerbaijan for some reason they are silent about this, there are three, they are just like a gray area for the positions of one and another military, there... since 1994 there are no people there, yes, of course, that is, there is no one, yes, there is no need to evict from there, right, it is not necessary, but 10 km away there are village ski lifts, there is a local road, you understand and this is already a threat, and it is necessary to explain to the residents, that is, pashinyan has never spoken to the residents of villages that have to leave their territories, he spoke to the residents of a village

that may come close to the azerbaijani border, to oskipa, if these villages... are thoughtlessly transferred, the road between the village of voskepar and noyemberyan, sorry, i apologize to the audience, just this one, it will be intersected, you understand, it is now going to poskepar will become an enclave in fact on the territory of azerbaijan, and so and so, there are still askipar yukharis, askipar nerkin, in which companies live now, which administratively belonged to azerbaijan, and here you can trade with artsvashen, which on the other hand is 30 km away. deep in the territory of azerbaijan, you see , there is no east, that’s right, absolutely, but look, i will reveal a certain secret to you, the counterterrorist operation in september of last year, azerbaijan removed from the agenda the so-called washington and brussels format of peaceful transitions between baku and rivan on

paper, on the negotiation table, there was a format for how to change, how to resolve the issues of these enclaves. exclave and it seems to me that this format even now, it is in a negotiation format , two vice prime ministers are sitting 7 km from these villages , what kind of war are we talking about, they drive and sit, eat horavat or kebab or shish kebab, one from the gazakh side, the other from the ozhivan side , and they agreed on it, it seems so to me, but it surfaced, and already the folkish beobakhter from moscow began to draw it up, i realized that all this was to be disrupted, yes, yes, that all this was to be disrupted, that's how i see it, thank you, mr. volodymyr. volodymyr kopchak, head of the south caucasian branch of the army research center, disarmed conversions, was with us at connection and we will now take a break , at least for a few minutes, but you will stay with us for an interesting conversation with a politician. andriyem rebe, former minister of social policy of ukraine. try

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we continue the politclub program on the espresso tv channel, our guest andriy reva, politician, minister of social policy of ukraine in 2016-19 years, let us first talk about what is happening with the new energy attacks. the structure of ukraine and the fact that these attacks started in the spring, but everyone expected the attacks in the winter, and by the way, you were one of those who said that

there would be no repeat of the attacks in 2022, 2023, and there was none, but now we we see quite serious attacks, why, well, they need to somehow respond to the blows that ukraine inflicted on russian oil refining, after all, it is a serious enough topic that 12% of russia's oil refining is damaged, and... image putin was quite seriously affected by the fact that they cannot do anything in response, and they returned to the tactics of this terror, and they fully understand that they will not be able to extinguish the energy system with strikes, and if we look even at the scale of these missile attacks, they are smaller than they were in the 22nd year, because objectively their arsenals have become smaller, and since they accumulated missiles all winter, now, when the missiles are shot down, we see the mark. on them, and they are the third and fourth quarter of the 23rd year, that is, they are working from the colise, still sanctions are also working, that is , they

are physically unable to start production in the volumes they would need. due to the lack of components, i hope that the sanctions will increase, their ability to restore missiles will decrease even more, so what now, now they have already hit oil and gas facilities, not only energy facilities , chernyashov said that oil and gas facilities were damaged, we don't know which ones, but judging by the geography of where they are shooting, we ourselves understand which ones objects are in question, there was such a painful blow to the dniproges, but... i survived how many rocket hits there were, we don't know, because at first they said two, then they said eight, that is, well, in general, you can damage rocket strikes, well they hit , you see, they hit the engine room, and along the road that led through the dam damaged it, the dam itself survived, it was built, of course , taking into account the experience that was during the second world war, it is

powerful enough and... . simply destroy it or break through it very difficult, but they decided to show that there is still gunpowder in the powder magazine, well, today ours answered very well, i think for sevastopol, the pride of the city of russian sailors, and the fact that large landing ships and the black sea communications hub were also damaged there fleet, i think this is a very good signal, the storm shadow missile is working as it should. oh, but today , to be honest, my friends, the poles, were not entirely happy with the fact that they did not shoot down the missile, 39 seconds, i understand that the 39 seconds that the missile was in the air space the territory of poland, she was simply frightened at the sight of the f-16s that flew to meet them, and they would of course have fired, but they did not consider it possible to violate the sovereignty of ukraine and its airspace, the sovereignty of the missile, i would say, well, they shot it down, the rocket

would have fallen, well... what threatened them in principle, i think that the maximum that threatened them was a carpet challenge to the minister of foreign affairs , the ambassador, there with some others, but we remember that, for example, in november 2015 in syria, when a russian su-24 plane crossed the border with turkey and was shot down, he was shot down, i’ll tell you right away one for one minute before about a rocket, and what ’s interesting is that after that... one pilot immediately became a good russian, the second, however, put it off, he already became a good russian in ukraine, that’s it , but putin's interesting and revealing reaction, the tomatoes suffered, i think it's a good thing that they don't have ears, otherwise they would have been shown how, as once the diva once sang, now disgraced, yes, in his anger is terrible, everyone knows, but by the way, you are not surprised that

the russian special services. behave like how the terrorist organizations behave in general, they demonstrate it to the whole world. it also never happened before, i don't remember, i can't imagine that, relatively speaking, the state security committee of the soviet union showed someone's severed ears. of course, well, at least they tried to maintain some decency, i'm not saying that they didn't cut them off, i'm saying that they at least didn't show it. well, now you see, they can do anything. they decided that now they had enough of the god of the breed and no... shall we say, the framework of decency, they could can no longer comply, although you know that the soviet union also celebrated the murder of evgeny kanavlets in rotterdam as a terrorist act, i read the court bill, he writes about it with pride, how does he mean he did it all, the same bohdan stalshinsky who killed bendera, if he had not crossed over to west berlin and did not surrender to the authorities and himself showed evidence of what he

had actually accomplished until now. they said he died of a heart attack, no, i don't doubt it at all, i just mean that they didn't pay kanavalts a court fee cut it off and did not send it to stalin in an envelope , it was somehow considered strange, not camilfo, and no one cut off trotsky’s head and did not send it, well, people still know they got it , that is, they were always engaged in terror, and the terrorists, that is, they, well, here they say, with whom you will behave, well , that is, they just became like this, well, they are friends with the taliban, they are friends with hamas, well, in principle. decided to show the guys seriously that they are no worse than they are, by the way, this whole story with the terrorist act in krasnogorsk, that the russian law enforcement system, it's just, well, it's slipping, it came to the state in which it was there in the early 2000s, when putin became president, it was absolutely obvious that the russian security forces, even when they have some contacts with, let's say, terrorist groups, they cannot profile.

terrorist acts, they are the maximum that they can...