in russia, there was some kind of compromising material on a billionaire, the owner of this complex is agalarov, he is a former business partner of trump, this is exactly the place where a memorial plaque could be hung on the croc city hall, here in such and such a year, the world competition beauty was held by donald trump, when russia becomes a democratic state, it will be possible to rename krasnogorsk in trumpit and invite trump to the renaming, well, that's better than. krasnogorsk, let there be trumpogorsk, trumpogorsk, it’s also good, yes, well, if you invite all these honorable women, citizens, i hope of the russian federation, in the rank of no less than major general, ugh, who met with trump on that unfortunate evening for him, these women could open this memorial plaque, so, well, well, if we are talking in general about what concerns us and... this

is a meeting of national security advisers, i would still like to return to it, if it was, if it was, in what format it was, and the secret is covered, i can say one simple thing, myself the fact that jake sullivan arrived in the ukrainian capital for literally a few hours, ugh, means that he discussed with the ukrainian political leadership some information, some strategy, which could not be discussed through any closed channels. because you can well imagine that in order to say to the ukrainian leadership , even fantastically: oh, you know, we are very worried that you are shooting at russian oil refineries, please don't do it, you don't need to go to kyiv for that , the ambassador of the united states of america in ukraine can safely meet with the relevant persons in the office of the president and that to say, it's small. it's a secret

to talk about it, but if you have something that you really need to talk about, some kind of information, then you go, at this level, at the level of the national security adviser, you go in absolutely special situations, and this is also a big the problem is that we don't know how many times jack sullivan has been to the middle east. almost not much, well yes, although this is now the main principle story for the biden administration, but the secretary of state goes there, because he goes there to talk about consultations, the director goes there of the central intelligence agency, yes, who is talking to his counterpart, chief masado, they are there now, it seems that some issues are being discussed in qatar, whether it is possible to cease fire there or not, that is clear, and the adviser to the president does not go, not because he disconnected from issues of the near east, and because that means he has none. information

that he could have discussed with his israeli counterparts, which would have required him to go somewhere, because we understand that the secretary of state is having a political dialogue, the director of the cia is conducting, i would say, a specific instrumental dialogue with the director of masada, and the assistant to the president is talking about some sensitive information that only two or three people in the room should know, the president of the united states, the secretary of state, i... but where an excuse so that the secretary of state and you do not need to draw attention to this conversation, and so i will come for a few hours, explain everything to you and go, well, it was something mega good, as they say, or very bad, i don't think , i don't think it was good, rather it was, it was not good and not bad, it was , let's say, important, important, and it could be some kind of explanation, what will happen with the help in reality, what are the possibilities of the administration, what are the russian intentions, what is happening with the political process?

where the russians might be fooling the chinese and the saudis and so on so that we're under no illusions, there's a lot that could happen, but it's very hard to predict, and i think, i 'm very glad, by the way, that there are some things that we don't know, and which do not write telegram channels, and are associated with certain structures, because this already a great happiness, because i imagine what a temptation to say, oh, you know, sullivan came there and such and such ska, oh, that's how many views, many more subscribers. it means that there is something that they understand that there can be serious consequences if you make such information public, it means that there is something that is enough to convince even such people for whom pr, everything, everything, there is nothing but pr, something that simply forces them keep your mouth shut, it's great, and they definitely have this information, but how do they, well, i have, well, these people who the halls were talking, they should be silent by now, in what sense, yes, that means that. a lot of people also

say that they are growing up, that they understand that something is not necessary, then as always they say that it is not this, the father says, the son does not need to tell this to his mother, you understand, there is no need for this, and it is difficult. to understand, well, what, i drank beer with the boys, you don’t have to tell my mother, she will be upset, and so the child grows up little by little, understands that not everything needs to be told, that you have to do something yourself, be responsible for your own actions, that there is some information, ugh, well, this is the moment of the political maturity of the bank, well , conditional, we don't know, maybe they can't stand it yet, but they are holding on, they are holding on, they are silent, that's good. that's right, i'm generally in favor of confidential information , you know, i said, we should have military censorship in general, what are we talking about, you and i will talk about politics, not about military censorship, we don't have to know what, where, where, where did they go, what got here, what weapons

did not get here, which did get here, where is the military base, where is the landfill, we discuss all this all the time, as if we are talking about some location of higher education institutions, but it seems to me that we are talking about what we are allowed to do with... to know, i would like to hope, and not about what is an optimist, well, yes, i would like to hope, and the military enterprise is in the registers, and then, oh, and a missile got there, who would have thought, and this is a topic that has been circulating for a long time, and you even had specific shelling that testified about that we have trouble with this situation, why you do nothing you correct, the process to account, understanding that not everyone. information should be printed in capital letters on your forehead, and are ukrainians ready for the fact that not everyone will be shared with them, i hope, well, if they want to survive, then they should be ready, if they want not to survive, then let them know everything that is needed , will take this information with them to the grave, ugh

, well, a few more words literally on the shelling of dniproges, we spoke with many experts of the military plan, and they note that... they could not help but know what to destroy with missiles such an object is extremely difficult , it is realistic to disable it even for a certain time, but to destroy it in such a way that it would lead to a catastrophe like the kahovsky geez, well, no, if it is not a nuclear warhead, huh, and some, some, some believe that the russians maybe they are raising the stakes and hinting that they will and may be ready to use this type of weapon, well, this is a difficult analysis. it seems to me that they simply could not set themselves the goal of destroying dps, they could set themselves the goal of reducing of ukraine's energy capabilities, for a certain time, well, they are doing it anyway, why can't they strike at dniproges, if they have taken hp-2 out of control for a certain time, they can

during the offensive, during some subsequent attack , take out the power of hp-1, well, it will not be destroyed, it will simply not work and produce energy, well, if it happens for several months in a row, well, this approach is absolutely a tool. if they believe that this electricity is, say, used for work, including military enterprises, they can to want to slow down their work, why do you need a nuclear charge for this, well, you will constantly continue to hit these power plants, destroy the strategic energy system, it will decrease in volume in this region, it is not even a question of light in the houses, the question is , how much energy is needed by certain enterprises that are or are connected with... but simply those that bring some income to the budget, well, reducing the budgets of the ukrainian ukrainian state, it is also absolutely logical from the point of view that all these revenues, they go to the armed forces, huh, but on the other hand, we saw the shelling

of everything imaginable last season, and it did not lead to concrete consequences of a military nature, or at least did not lead to those on which you expected that they could simply prepare more thoroughly? absolutely specific targets that they took into account there what they were doing before and now they are really fighting absolutely pinpoint on specific targets like they wanted to think that they were going to destroy that power plant there, at that at that at that, well here they are so they created such a picture, it turned out that the picture does not work, well, now they can create another picture, by the way, you should not think that they are all brilliant people, they can come up with a plan that will not work, how many such plans have there already been, but they are trying, they first hit the military-industrial complex, now they are hitting the power system, then they will hit someone else. they, listen, they carry out, what is it called, they have a plan of measures, this is a bureaucratic system , the ministry of defense of russia, too, and here they have there is a plan of measures, the destruction of this, the destruction , they have to report, they report to heratsma, the sheyga will report to the shayga

, the shayga will report to patrusho, the patrusha will report to putin, once again putin will see the result, well, they have brought out the evil one or the other, but to hit a nuclear strike on dniprozh... the decision is not to be made, it is putin's special responsibility, he too can think, and what is there , what will be the point, well, we will destroy this dnipro with a nuclear strike, we will create a precedent for a nuclear strike and it will not be there . some other hessian that, well, there is no kakhov hessa, what , what kind of luck is it, that it has changed so seriously from the point of view of war, uh, well, imagine, the use of nuclear weapons must also be, you know, justified from a political point of view and from the point of view of consequences, if we just think that we 're using it as a conventional weapon just to destroy some hydroelectric plant, it's kind of very strange, even for putin, uh, primitive, i'd say, nuclear weapons have to be used... as the last proof of the use of nuclear weapons should lead to the fact that the state against which we

used nuclear weapons the next day will capitulate, and if we destroyed dniproges with a nuclear strike, then we simply created another ecological disaster, another front-page text in western publications, even with the use of nuclear weapons, with completely unpredictable consequences, we do not know that we will get, then one case unforeseeable consequences, when we hope that it will be the last. sowing the seeds of the country, and the other thing is not the intended consequences when we just want to destroy some power plant that we don't know about mentioned two years in a row, in fact , well, somehow, i say, one must always measure the decision and the consequence, in the light of the information that the russian federation may be preparing in the near future, because several years, this is actually the closest time to a confrontation with the countries of the north atlantic alliance and so on and so on, with the countries of the north atlantic alliance, the russian federation... once again , from the point of view of its own security, must confront in such a way that this confrontation does not lead to the need

to use nuclear weapons by one of the parties, once, another matter, i do not really believe in the military capability of the russian federation in relation to such a confrontation, because once again i remind you that for these two years the russian federation has been waging a war with a country that does not have a modern army, modern equipment that fights with western weapons, and as a rule , not very new , because we hear the same thing all the time, here we are from... such and such planes, tanks, missiles and so on, and poland bought everything new, and slovakia has already renewed its army, and you know, it looks like in some supermarket where you just wear everything new, and you take this to yourself on the counter, he says: come, please, if you want to take it, it is also good, i wore it three times, this, and then it turns out that the russian federation, even against this weapon, cannot really respond, and the whole problem is that this. is not enough, if it is enough, then it stops advancing altogether, and now imagine that it is fighting with the armies of countries in

which new weapons are much more modern than russian, and they have already updated all this, thanks to its war with ukraine, and she denied all this that in these huge reserves, which they killed from the soviet union, and now it actually lives on what it produces, and now it has started some real conflict, it understands that it cannot use nuclear weapons... because there may be a retaliatory strike, there is a war with conventional weapons , how much will the russian federation be enough, especially if some nato country there, france or great britain, as a result of the attack destroyed some russian weapons at the airfields and so on and so forth, hit the military facilities of the russian federation, what to do next? well, that is, once again we come to the wonderful story that we either need to capitulate, or use nuclear weapons, or but either they can, or negotiate with them, well , i don't understand what the point is. that is, of course, to frighten with a conflict with nato is a good topic.

the soviet union has always done this. and by the way, you remember that the strength of the soviet union, which, by the way, the soviet people did not realize, was that the west was afraid of its attack. so. we lived in a beautiful world where the soviet people were sure that nato was going to attack them, just like the russians are now believe that everyone wants to attack them, everyone at that time, not intending to attack anyone, lived in the situation when they were. we are sure that the soviet union is about to attack, and now putin is creating exactly the same atmosphere, this is a return to the time when everyone in the west says, well, of course, there are 3-5 years left, they said this all the time of the cold war , all the time there were 3-5 years left before the attack of the soviet union, they thought where it would attack, drew maps, if you look at the press of those years, here or there, the soviet people too, oh, at us nato attacks, we have to defend ourselves, go to... military training classes, we have to defend ourselves, they want, they want to destroy our beautiful, our beautiful future, you

can imagine the level of this schizophrenia, you know, i remember this beautiful story , how i just laughed, when they started turning these autonomous regions into republics, already in the gorbachev era, and the leadership of the jewish autonomous region of the russian federation decided that it would also rename itself the jewish region as a republic, and there was a rally in the city of smidovichi, comrade valtsovshchik. sharapov spoke at this rally: "comrades, if we turn our jewish region into a jewish republic, jews from all over new york and from tel aviv and from london, from this." and here you will not be able to work in the cowshed, comrade petrova, because all, all our opportunities will actually be occupied by these terrible jews, who will flee from new york at the first possible opportunity, but he still

spoke sincerely, and by the way, you can for proof of what i am telling you, look at the constitution of the russian federation, the jewish republic never appeared there. the people of the jewish autonomous oblast successfully defended themselves from the jews of new york. imagine the level in which all these people lived. they were simply schizophrenic. for 40-45 years, the vast majority of these people had the consciousness of six-year-old children. and the soviet leadership calmly manipulated all this with these idiots. and the same thing happened in the west by and large. they may have been adults, they believed that such a society was wild and would definitely attack. necessarily. ot. that is why the soviet union actually financed it the movement of supporters of peace in the west, because he said: "listen, you understand that you have to fight for peace, so that we will attack, and the west, you have to somehow restrain your bourgeoisie in its aggressive desires, because we will respond, we've lived like this for a while, i believe we've moved into this very historical period, and soon there will be some

putin peace council in berlin headed by sara wagehnech, and they'll be leading these anti-war demonstrations, well, what about me, honestly saying, all this is not surprising, because we are all in this era already lived, it was a wonderful situation , well, you know, don’t do it again, you understand, there are people who are politicians, who are revolutionaries, yes, there are many of them, who change the world around them, you know, there is a certain napoleon bonaparte , alexander the great, i don’t know, there is lenin after all, ugh, but there are people who are... counter-revolutionaries who want the situation back, everything back, like the bourbons that returned after napoleon, putin, but putin is no longer a revolutionary, he is a counter-revolutionary, why, because he thinks exclusively that it should be done the way it was, that we all the time discuss everything he does , he just does it, he pulls out some kind of stack from somewhere, reads as if it is, you know, a performance in

an amateur theater, but let's do it, as yoserich used to do, he used to go to our place. come out, let's make this, let's make such a country , let's make such a relationship with the west, let's make and live a wonderful life, as our father and mother used to do, and this is of course terrible, because you and i are hostages of this desire, you know, some kind of vampires who just drag us in the past, he says, why do you want to go forward, it was so good there in the past, let's go there, but we don't, we just want to go forward, no, we have to go backwards, well, here's the whole story with which we will end our political club with khrystyna, i do, thank you, khrystyna, thank you. limitless vitalya portnikova, next saturday we will meet, be with espresso! try flebodia 600, pink french

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these territories. my guest today is tetyana teren, she is the executive director of ukrainian foam. tanya, congratulations. thank you for coming, it is important for tetyana and i to talk today about our general impressions from these ukrainian volunteer trips. the east, on the frontline and de-occupied territory, and we we will definitely talk and mention all these fantastic, shocking stories, but tanya, let's start with what pen is, maybe no one, no one knows for sure, some people have never heard of propene and what this organization does, pen is primarily an international organization with a central office in london, and accordingly, in fact, there is one in every country of the world. center and it is an association of writers, journalists, cultural managers, translators, in general people who work with the word and what is important

to say in the context of what we are talking about today we plan to say that pen in general arose in 1921, that is, this is the post-war period, the period after the first world war, when an opinion arises in intellectual communities, first in britain, but then in other countries, that in the period of ... such great challenges that there are challenges with freedom of speech in culture, which are in journalism, it is very important that people who work with words are united and can work together with these challenges and develop their culture and literature. even before the great war, before the beginning of the great war, ukrainian pen has begun to become a very influential organization and is perhaps now the most powerful voice, yes, the most powerful advocate. at least one of the most powerful advocates of ukrainian culture in the world and actually the most influential organization in

ukraine, please tell us about our community, that is, what does the community do, what kind of community is it in the ukrainian cultural field? you know, when i now, especially abroad, talk about our work, who we are, what pen does, who our association of ukrainian authors is, it very often causes somewhat surprising, because our work is very different from what other pen centers do in other countries. it is obvious that this is connected with the war, and these changes, these disagreements, they have been there since the 14th year, because pen worked with the cases of ukrainian authors, political prisoners, and not every country has such challenges with which the pen center should work , but on... actually, today i talk very little about what we did before the 22nd year, because obviously, our work with political prisoners, with the ukrainian hostages of the kremlin continues, but our bigger ones, the majority

our initiatives, primarily cultural ones, are suspended, and then we begin the process of finding those areas, those roles, priorities, where we can be the most useful as a community. our community today is 163. ukrainian authors, writers, journalists, rights activists, cultural managers, and today we planned to talk with you about volunteer trips, and i think that this is precisely the experience that largely determined what we do today, if you try to summarize it somehow, to highlight some directions, i would say primarily about the support of this community, the fact that we can live together such a difficult, difficult experience in ours. country, in the life of every family and every person, this support is also very practical, palpable, since we introduced scholarships, yes,

public, closed ones. scholarships in order to help individual families, individual authors, artists in ukraine, and on the other hand, even this year we continued our festival for young writers with the aim of continuing the literary process in the country, so that this durability between generations. on the other hand, if we move more to volunteer trips, then i would say that we are also engaged in recording the experience of the war, we are working and collecting a new one. poetry, we collect diaries, documentary literature, and our books in the library of ukrainian pens series are based on this, at the same time it is not just a fixation, it is a documentation, this is what surprises other pen centers that our organization works with the documentation of war crimes , against culture and against the media, we have our own section of work, it is important, and this first of all, it happens in volunteer trips, like when we go to the front-line

territories. not released, and based on these materials that we collect, we are already preparing our reports, preparing materials in other languages ​​that we can distribute to our entire international community, yes, hundreds of other pen centers, and for sure, i will also single out the continuation of cultural life in ukraine, even in such a difficult time, i see it as a great priority, culture cannot stop, the development of culture and endurance and... in addition to the fact that we constantly travel to other regions, we organize events , we support libraries, in addition, just in february of the 22nd year, the space of ukrainian pens in kyiv begins to work, and for us it is already such an autonomous project, as if that part of our work, i believe that it is one of the most active cultural centers in kyiv today, even this week there are six public events that take place every night with

a different format. for different audiences and with a mandatory collection to support the ukrainian army, these are probably the most important things, to document and support our community and culture. now let's once again return to the volunteer trips, where in fact, on the one hand, we support libraries, we take books to the most destroyed areas, so it 's called unbreakable libraries, and... and this initiative, and on the other hand, we take many western intellectuals, western writers, and it started in june 22nd, yes, actually these trips are voluntary, and we have a video, this is a trip to kherson, it’s already december 22nd, it’s december 22nd, but it’s just that, as i understand it, that it was the first the foam trip to kherson, so i want to start with it, especially since in this video, which

you and i... selected before this conversation, before this conversation, there is victoria amelina, who was still alive then, and whom you meet on railway station in kherson, let's see, please, it's december 22, pen's trip to kherson.

the library had the largest collection of gramophone records, lps, so people came here to listen to music, it was very interesting, very useful, meetings were held here, various poetic communities, there was such a crowd here center.