ness, the absence of ukrainian culture, yes , it was filled with television, which was russian-language and pro-russian, russian performers, russian books and so on, that is, where there was a void, it was filled with something very foreign, i want to show one more excerpt from of the film about mykolaiv, about pen's trip to mykolaiv, because it turns into rubble. more clearly, how pen actually communicates with local libraries, local cultural figures, what conversations they have, these are very small snippets, but they give this insight, whether

please, we removed all this because we were preparing for evacuation, and while we are still unpacking the books, firstly, and secondly, two -thirds of the team is missing, so some of our departments are working, which are not yet, as of today day 58 libraries were damaged , 58 of them, i will say very briefly what we are doing here, what we will see, we will tell, it is very important to be physically present, both in the ukrainian language and in the krementar language, because for... it is important to maintain the krementar identity in including, and in the occupied territories, this is one of the key threats to occupiers, strong national, ukrainian and kremostar identities, we will need more and more new books, of course, because people, no matter how hard it is, they still read.

so, it was mykolaiv, what do you remember about mykolaiv, what impressed you in mykolaiv on that trip? you know, every time i watch these videos or see some photos from our trips, i have the feeling that i see relatives, library managers, library workers, people we return to, from whom we now often ask for advice , when, when we go in this direction, and mykolaiv is absolutely right... my hometown, we are very close

friends today with their libraries, that's why i am filled with such great joy that i see, see these faces and remember this experience, in fact, this trip was then well, when it came to kherson, we first went to mykolayiv region, then from there we went to kherson, and i remember first of all this library, how we were met, what questions were asked, what it looked like... this library, that is, even in those difficult conditions, we know that mykolaiv was also in very difficult conditions the first months of the invasion, but despite this they show that here we have already replaced the windows, here we have old prints they showed you old prints show, here we have a piece of a rocket that fell directly into the yard, it did not explode, we continue to work, they told how they went to the library, even on the worst days when people tried to stay at home, but they went to check what was going on here. are the books safe, tried

to keep in touch with their audience, it was really absolutely fascinating and we still are, and in fact, mykolaiv also encouraged us to expand our assistance to libraries in this way, we started, in addition to purchasing new books ourselves and bringing new books to the de-occupied front-line territories with our penbus, we also started to announce all-ukrainian collections of books, and we succeeded both for mykolaiv and for. .. to collect even more publications, and these are such active people that they try not only to help the city, the region, but it seems to me that they also help the whole of ukraine with their activity and everything that they do today, and i want to ask you about another such unique phenomenon, about how volodya yarmolenko, a philosopher, and the president of the ukrainian foam and his... wife tetyana ogarkova, they

collect money on the platform of their cultural podcast kultpodkast, and almost every time, well, but not every time , but very often they... carry not only books, but a car for the armed forces of ukraine, which they buy with the money they collected on this podcast of theirs. i am interested in how you see the reaction of western intellectuals, foreigners to this, in general, how they are they perceive, because it is something unique for an intellectual, so that on the one hand, this is such an activity, and on the other hand, these people must support it. their army in such a way, it is obvious that they are often surprised by this, this question always sounds about the role of intellectuals in the conditions of war, this is already the kind of question that starts almost every international event where we are invited, and i always talk about

ukrainian artists, who are at the front today, who joined the army, i tell their stories, i tell how they explain it the decision to join the army and defend your country today. and tells other stories, i always say that so many of our authors joined the ranks of the armed forces, all the others became volunteers, i always say that in ukraine everyone is a volunteer, and then i tell separate stories, in particular, i tell the stories of tetyan and volodymyr , i am also talking about the history of the cult podcast, it arose as a project even before the full-scale invasion, and according to my feeling as a listener, this project was designed to show ukrainian culture. as an absolutely obvious part of european culture, yes, to tell ourselves and remind ourselves who are our artists, who are these big, large-scale names of our culture, and then after the 22nd year, when tetiana and volodymyr are actively involved in information

work, so they are every day and still conduct dozens of broadcasts in different languages ​​for foreign audiences, they also start traveling with humanitarian aid to the de-occupied territories. and then they also come to this realization and decision that everything they do, everything that keeps culture today, it should also support our army, and abroad, whenever they ask how to help ukraine, how to help writers or artists today, the first thing we all say is that please support our army, it is the main partner of ukrainian culture, and history cult podcast is actually a very strong example and a very strong metaphor of how to support ukrainian culture today. their country and support their army, tatyana and volodymyr organize many initiatives to raise funds, they will continue to record podcasts in different languages, and in particular, all the events that take place in our space, our tenants, they are all aimed at

raising funds for the army and buying the next cars, i think that in reality, there can be no other scenario in ukrainian culture today, ukrainian culture should also... work to support the country and support the army. tanya, thank you for this conversation. tetyana teren, executive director of ukrainian pen, was our guest today. you understand that maintaining culture is a part, a very important part ours, our resistance to russian aggression. if you want to support ukrainian books, ukrainian culture, do it, help kherson libraries, help. podcast, help the all-ukrainian collection for damaged libraries, and in this way we will only be stronger and our culture will be stronger. thanks for being with us today, see you in a week.

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turn on, the verdict with serhiy rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 at espresso. this is about politics, about the world from the kyiv studio of maria gurska, a ukrainian journalist tv channel and editor-in-chief of an online magazine. from warsaw , the chairman of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish diet, professor of history pawel kowal, is in touch with me from warsaw, congratulations, good day, as always, we will sum up the results of the information week and start with the following news: president of poland andrzej duda in an interview with cnbc stated that russia could attack the nato countries as early as 2026, which indicates exactly such a date, what plan counteracts this scenario, in particular from poland and europe? i think that today every

politician can name any date, and this date it will be difficult to check, one thing can be said, for sure russia is really determined to go further, and fortunately it is more about mobilization, because on the one hand such statements can scare, and on the other hand they should mobilize. that is, it is about everyone finally getting together, i spent almost all of last week traveling, i visited berlin, they told me that the threat is now serious if a french politician says: pavle, we must act now, otherwise putin will be on our

streets in paris, then i think the time has come take this threat seriously. you know, part of the problem with the event is that threats in themselves are part of putin's game, that is, putin wants to intimidate us all, and it is often very difficult to distinguish where there is real fear, and where we need mobilization. of russia on may 7 after the election he rigged. the institute for the study of war says putin will use his record election victory to wage a protracted war. what does this mean for us? putin did not hold normal elections, there were no elections, he was like that plabistitis, to which unfortunately'. now we have to take it seriously, in general today we have to take putin very seriously. thus

, putin held a plebiscite in which he showed his entourage that he was and is supported by broad social groups, that he has support. the next step against this background could be the start of another war. in order to then, if he loses support, say that it is necessary to start a new war, so again and again, yes, this is putin's closed circle, proving his own. that people support him so that he is not removed from power, and then organizing the war to mobilize his supporters and rally the russians, and to tell his closest allies: we can't change anything because we're at war. this is putin's working method. the problem is that today putin is a leader who seems to perceive this situation as that he has no choice, that is, he must wage war. i think that putin 2-3-5 years ago, even putin after 2014. after the occupation of crimea, who could have thought that, well, for a while we will have bad relations with the west, but then

i can start negotiations. modern putin is definitely a putin who will bite to the end. he will try to act aggressively and destroy his opponents because he fears that he may have trouble surviving if he falls from power. the united states does not recognize the legitimacy of putin's presidency after the fake elections, although they say so. the leaders of the countries of asia and africa, the leaders of north korea, iran, belarus, china, but also the president of turkey recep tayyip erdogan, the prime minister of hungary viktor orban, indian prime minister narendra modi. will putin be considered legitimate as a result?

details, it is formally known that there are no elections in russia in the sense that it is understood in the west, because there are neither real opponents nor the opportunity to conduct election campaigns, the conduct of elections is accompanied by the pressure of the security forces, that is, in fact , the election campaign is a real voting process in which there is no choice. therefore, it is difficult to talk about some kind of transfer of power, because no one except putin can receive it, that is, instead of elections, we essentially have an imitation of the process, there is no campaign, but only an element of the so-called. that is, theater, and then a demonstration transfer of power. i emphasize that there are no elements of democratic elections in russia, so there is nothing to talk about. as for the rest, different countries have their own strategies and approaches. it is known that western countries no longer recognize this election process, and other countries that are trying to win putin's favor, or, for example, expect to play the role of mediators in the war between russia and ukraine,

and there are some. they actually welcome or recognize these elections, but essentially. everything looks like that today russia is actually ruled by putin, even if he is not recognized in the west, putin's main emotion, his main obsession is not to be completely eliminated by his entourage. but could putin's illegitimacy lead to the termination of russia's membership in the un security council, to the deprivation of its ability to exercise the right of veto. the united states, and perhaps the united states in the first place, will stand next, so he is not a legitimately elected president, his mandate does not come from the voters. but his mandate is

legitimate de facto, because he actually rules by russia of the union, and the main topic of these meetings was the transfer of the eu economy to the military rails, what do you think this means for the eu countries, for their spending, defense and other areas, what is this transfer to the rails of war about? there are two elements: the first is to stimulate the military industry to expand the production of more weapons and ammunition. the idea is to strive for increased production. what you and i talked about earlier. the point is that there should be maximum mobilization, so that the harvest weapons were sold, given on credit or in various forms went to ukraine, and at the same time, so that we finally created our own stocks, because

today the key is deterrence, this is the most important word in relations with putin, that is, putin must understand that... that whatever what attack will lead to a response , so that he understands this, he needs to get reliable information that the european union has passed an unrealistically large production of ammunition and weapons, it is clear, we are talking about it now, i got the impression that i was in this very office , because today we we are talking a little from a different place, in general , this is a unique program, because maria gurska is in kyiv, i am in warsaw, but not where we usually write these conversations, in my office, and just three days ago, i was visited in this office... the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania , gabriellius lansberics, a sincere, long conversation, we talked all evening, but then i had a thought that i would like to share: you are crazy, we say, preparations for an even bigger war are in the air, everyone is talking about ammunition, politicians are oriented, how much ammunition is produced, which weapons are most needed, how much they cost, what are

the possibilities, our conversations are reminiscent of pre-war times, today, when any of the leaders say that we are living in pre-war times, this is a criticism. economy and quickly produce more arms and ammunition, this is a task for the whole eu, especially with what is happening in the united states now, there is a big risk that we will not have the same support from the united states as before. a study conducted by ibris sociologists at the end of last year was shown in the eu.

citizens are simply not ready for it, they are not ready to defend themselves, and moreover, in poland , for example, there are critically few bomb shelters, there is a lot of talk about this today, after all, for the last 30 years, people have lived and believed that the world would be better without soldiers, without this type of tension , there is no point in reading opinion polls , scaring each other, it is time to act , today, when european politicians say we have two years left, we have three years left, i say people, do what needs to be done now, that is, help ukraine now. now act before you all have to go to the front. this morning i had a meeting with a large number of polish-ukrainian business representatives in one place in warsaw. i told them, instead of posting on facebook that you were on vacation in mauritius, let everyone write on facebook to the politicians that ammunition should

be sent today, that we should help today where the front is actually, and not worry about what will happen after 3 years, when putin invades western europe, because then it will no longer make sense. i think before we let's start thinking about sending young belgians to the front, we have to explain it to young belgians so that they... think a little, put pressure on them on social networks, young americans need to be explained, for example, of polish origin, of ukrainian origin, put pressure on their politicians, on their senators, it is possible today, when people begin to think about war, even in the information field, people think, begin to think that maybe they will be forced to fight, then their consciousness changes, it will take two or three years, but i i think that the most important thing today, i am absolutely sure of this, is to mobilize people to fight on the internet. i see how russian trolls have become more active in poland, how many are there today? i 've been thinking about this all the time for several weeks, i didn't

notice it before, i see how it affects public opinion, i meet a lady on the street who says that a lot of poisonous grain comes to poland from ukraine, and i say, and how do you know about it, that it is poisonous, do you have a laboratory at home, let's talk calmly, she says that she read about it somewhere, that's it we have and so on, around each such... question today there is a separate information war, and therefore i am convinced that right now we should send everyone to an information war, it is not a threat, you can do it for free and then worry about , what will happen when putin invades belgium or the netherlands? by the way, speaking of grain, a report from the institute of public finance was published this week, which proves that ukrainian grain has very little impact on polish agriculture, it is...

no i don't feel that way i feel like that's what we talk about every program i 'll say we have nothing to complain about today because we 've said from the beginning it's all about getting it right. calculate the proportions, that is , poland must protect the market, and the ukrainian authorities will also do it, but at the same time we must maintain proportions, so i have the impression that in the end those who kept calm, that is, those who did not create sensations and politicians, will win , who weren't tweeting nervously, just saw pictures they didn't like liked, but we were just trying to determine what the state of affairs is, and what is coming out today is already great, it helps us a lot, because it shows the correct processes, in fact, i always say in ukraine that farmers' protests... not all polish - ukrainian relations, but only a small part of them, i explain why this is happening in poland, i also say in every speech: well, for the polish market,

in fact, now are difficult times, but it is not because ukrainians add grain in polish or european market. on the other hand, if they put the grain on the market, then the prices, it doesn't matter if it comes through portugal. or through spain, because it still affects prices throughout the european union. in fact, these are the most important facts, it is simply about cheap production outside the eu. and by the way, at the end i would add one lesson in all schools about what the common market is. the common market means that it is not so important where someone adds cheap grain in the european union and how much they add, it means that it may turn out that there are indeed problems, because they are, but their content hidden, due to the fact that a lot of cheap grain arrived, for example, from south america or from ukrainian

agricultural products pass through polish territory, they enter the eu in other ways, so sometimes i even say that it will not change anything, because it will get to the eu anyway, and polish carriers, for example, may lose in transit tym mózię, że pożyte to niczego nie zmienia, bo wjeżdąją na tereny unii europejskiej, a polsce. so it's finally time for facts when we talk about these protests. i only ask that you understand one thing, i don't care, because i know how many people in ukraine, not only ukrainians, look at us. market protection is the norm in the european union, when ukraine joins the eu, i hope it will be as soon as possible, because the negotiations really need to start now. when ukraine is in the eu, it will have the same problems, and it will also protect ukrainian production in various areas where it will be threatened, because there is no other way... because if you are inside the eu, you have higher standards, some are for, some are against, but objectively it's true, production costs a lot, ale obiektynie tak jest, no to się

drożej produkuje. 20. on march 28 , negotiations between the prime ministers of poland and ukraine will take place in warsaw. tusk claims that the agreement will be optimal for farmers, but also reiterates that, if necessary, poland will block the transit of ukrainian products to the eu. however, on what basis can poland make a decision to suspend transit? is poland ready to give up the funds it receives for this transit? and what does this mean for economy? for poland, for... the polish government, it is always important to consider all the possible consequences and really agree with all the arguments, i explain this in poland and in ukraine, by the way , also, we have to protect our market , for example, wheat production, but we also have to protect pork producers or producers in the field of cattle, because they supply milk, milk is made into cheese that goes to ukraine, and from this, taxes are paid in poland and jobs are created for polish workers.

i say this because it's not quite the answer to your question, but at the same time it is an answer, because it means that there will definitely be no radical steps in our relations, there is no point in considering radical scenarios, we just need to get used to it and not worry so much about the fact that farmers are protesting, farmers are always protesting, we have repeatedly they talked about it in this program, and they will protest, if not farmers, then another group, if not today, then next year, if not at this border, because this is the only problem of the border. which must be defended, they will protest somewhere else, it cannot be otherwise, because i will repeat once again, agricultural production in the european union is more expensive and will be more expensive because it is regulated, because there are many more regulations. to what extent this percentage of citizens, this electoral group, now influences the political situation, the situation will actually

take a toll on it politically. in fact, poland is already preparing for elections, then there will be european elections, and now local self-government elections are taking place. i would really not like the issue of ukraine, and therefore the security of poland itself, to be subordinated to current issues political games. of course, in a certain sense we have to take into account the fact that elections are coming up, and this is of course normal in a democracy. that everyone wants to look as good as possible in the elections, and therefore political parties try to take care of the interests of different political groups, there is nothing extraordinary in this, this would be the case in ukraine, this is the case in any other democratic country, and yet today our actions , including when it comes to farmers, this is real action, we really stand up for farmers, it's not just for elections, of course we want to show that care about them, but we also show it

to other industries. because we are already in a different situation than, for example, three months ago, everyone has already learned, everyone sees export analytics, people cite these export data, they see that polish products are going to ukraine, so it really does not make sense to consider the government's actions in terms of one field, one must look at it in general to understand that elections also play a role here, but your question is probably about something else. is this nationalist electorate large, i think it is similar to what it looks like in ukraine, that is, according to various political studies, and i have been dealing with this for a very, very long time, approximately 10% of the electorate has this populist-nationalist character, in many european countries, very similar in ukraine, very similar in poland. sometimes these voters, this electorate, find a particular party for themselves, sometimes they join a larger party and try to influence it,

and today this group of voters is definitely a part. i go to the media, explain, show data, everyone has their own way, mine is to publish data, publish research, no a better way to fight fake news and russian propaganda than the truth, and you only need to provide real data, show, for example, that polish-ukrainian relations are a great opportunity, not a threat, and paradoxically, that time...