[000:00:00;00] he continued to work, to go to the sitting politburo , as if nothing was happening, this is absolutely special , you know, the taste of power, this is something that few people can afford, well, even among dictators, not every dictator can put his wife in prison deputy, and without any risk to himself, he will still say, oh, thank you, well, she was probably wrong, that's the essence of this whole situation, and that's natural. but a huge problem for our understanding of the consequences of this whole process, this is a really serious problem, i would like to clarify to ask the question, it is interesting that you assumed that if, let's say, the united states and its partners warned, but warned a certain part

of the fsb there, let's say, someone was not ahead of them. and all this can actually demonstrate to us that no, no, they could, it doesn't work like that, they warned by instance, they warned very specifically, i can even imagine how this warning happens at the level of contacts between the central intelligence agency of the united states of america and the foreign intelligence service of the russian federation. naryshkin owes this is obliged to bring the information to the secretary of the security council of the russian federation. the accompanying text, ugh, on ryshkin to patrushev and patrushev to putin, ugh, and what is the accompanying text of those people who transmit such and such a warning to ryshkin from the americans, the americans do not necessarily meet in order to give a warning to naryshkin himself , i need to

meet with him... ugh, it's just a document that goes through instances, and each of these documents is accompanied by a comment from the relevant person who is responsible for a certain part of the work. we do not know which document putin got acquainted with on the way out. you need to read not the american document, but what was signed by patrysh and the accompanying documents to patryshev's letter, just as you need to read what naryshkin wrote. and accompanying documents to the letter to ryshkin , this is not one page, it is you there document, all this, this whole matter, it can be 50-60 files, if we assume that this terrorist attack happened, because again, the competition of the institution federation, is it good for us or bad, well no i know, of course, listen, it's good because it shows that this system is in such a, i would say, dire state, but on the other hand

, it's bad because it... encourages inappropriate decisions, you see , if you bring some documentation to putin that does not allow him to make adequate decisions , he is not a very adequate person in himself, to be honest, his worldview is not very adequate, this must be understood, we see it, on the other hand, if he works with more or less realistic documents, he has there is no way out, when you are the president of the state, you work with the documents that are given to you, you cannot afford to sit down and crawl on the internet. and read and google what to do in such a situation, because this is a matter of trust, ugh, and you are unlikely to order yourself an alternative examination, especially if you are a person who is arranged like volodymyr putin or volodymyr zelensky, you know, that it is also very important that we can still have such a situation that our president works with this documentation, which is on his desk, he cannot afford the luxury and say, but

i read something else, and always the question is... the extent to which the president appoints competent people to certain positions who are able to create documentation that will create an adequate picture of reality for him, if he is not able , then he is actually a hostage of his own inability to select personnel whom he can trust, but who are not capable of competently assessing reality, and this is the ukrainian state, that is, in principle, the model of management of the ukrainian state today, in russia it is worse model, yes, because there really is a struggle of these... in ambition, and the question there is not only in competence, in a conscious desire to distort reality, that the first person saw that reality, which, let's say, is beneficial to patrosheva, ugh, and that this reality, relatively speaking, was cut off from decision-making by the conditional ryshkin, well, this is a difficult gambit, and when you are putin and you study these documents,

you should not think that putin received the file. about the possibility of a terrorist act in moscow and said: go figure, this is all an american fiction, no, he was sitting, he is generally a human being, who works with documents, this is his life in general, he... in general, what does he do all his life, he works with documents, he doesn’t know anything else, so he studied it and based on what he studied, he made a conclusion, so until things like how 20 on february 24, 2022 he sat and worked with documents before making all these decisions, long and carefully, more than one day and more than one night, but all this information was selected in such a way as to please, so that the people who wrote it would not be afraid. that he will not like her and exactly the same, here you understand, what is the state security committee of the soviet union in general, so that we clearly understand, on the one hand, it is a special service, on the other hand, it is a special service that was beaten on the head

by communist cadres throughout its history, that is, i am there yezhov , i'm a people's commissar, i'm like that, here suddenly they took me and shot me, i'm a beria, i'm in charge of the whole country, i was taken and shot, and in the end they shot one other, the head of the state security committee is called there, they say, comrade sirov, you you have to work yes, to be useful to the party, because otherwise you will go to where your beloved comrades of yezhova went, you know where they all are, and so every head of the kgb, or deputies who were generally sub-party workers, and this is the structure, that is, what does it mean, that we have all the information, but we have to report it to the superiors in such a way that the superiors, ugh, are delighted with us, so that they do not... growl at us, the superiors must not see the reality that the superiors will not like, because the guilty will be not just little people, but we, we, so we will give him what we need, and it is also a huge problem that

putin reads what he wants to read, they have learned to write only documents that the superiors like to write, they are strange, that the communist party no longer exists, and they... continue to work like this, because they do not know how to do otherwise, this is such an organization, and they are in their own trap, they themselves run the state and write to themselves what should not annoy them, and i i was always interested once, i was interested when i worked in in moscow, when putin was already president, i asked some questions to some people who worked with him, i said, well, he knows all this, he wrote all this himself, all his life. how can it be that he became the prime minister and the president, these people with whom he worked all his life are writing to him , what he himself always wrote, why does he trust this, and why should he be trusted if he is not

trusts no one but them, what should he do? if you are a colonel of the state security committee of the soviet union, you know exactly what life is in general, people are divided into three categories, these are officers of special services. these are people recruited by the press services and people who will be recruited by the press services, there is no one else, and people who are not officers, who are recruited or will be recruited, they are fools, because only a fool is not an officer of the state security committee of the soviet union , already normal people, normal with normal thinking, with normal values, men, they are officers of the state security committee, and something can be a man, it's still different, it's a... or or there's just something that doesn't lend itself analysis, some people there are just civilians, it’s just that we don’t consider them to be people, they go there, they say something, that they are some bandits, well, it doesn’t matter, especially when i’m still part of the criminal world in pursuit, or are they

patient, the military, whom we generally despise, because they have weapons, they are in uniforms, but they can't even, we can tell them as easily as these dogs, let's... to the leg, uh, let's lick my cho, and he will do a person who knows how to control a tank, i don't know, a rocket launcher, and if i were, then i would i would launch a missile launcher at the kremlin, but they simply obey, and they still have an incredible contempt for the army, ugh, which means contempt for the army, so there are problems with this main intelligence department of the general staff, what do you think they are real intelligence officers, and they are analysts, and they are military, and what is this? jacks, these are not people, a real man, he must not just be a scout, he must be able to shoot, kill, ugh, and here is the problem between the main intelligence department of the general staff and by the federal security service, this is also an eternal

problem, another problem when we talk about terrorist attacks, is the relationship of all these two organizations with the ministry of internal affairs of the russian federation, from the point of view of both the fsb and the main. the management of the police are not people at all, because they are just something, i don’t know how to call it intelligently on the air, because it’s clear there that it is... well, it’s good, when it’s shared, it’s good, but what is it, but this policeman, he feels like a white bone compared to these people, because he thinks that he rules the people, they sneak among the people, he is actually the master of the people , remember, there were cases when the police just shot people there in supermarkets, it's just like that, because i can do anything, you. i have never seen, but i have seen how

this precinct officer comes to your apartment in moscow, as the owner, i am the owner of your apartment, he sits opposite you, what is the matter, give me the documents, show me what you are doing here, i live here , i'm registered here, this is my property, come on, i'll follow, i don't like your birthplace, your date of birth, people who are in these, and he and you are not... that is, you don't really understand how to deal with it. ugh. at one time, when i was simply living, i had the accreditation of the ministry of border affairs and that's it. i thought i was completely protected. nothing happened until i applied to some authorities, called the press service of the moscow memailia or the press service of the ministry of internal affairs and said: "listen, i'm a journalist, i'm being terrorized by your district inspector." is it possible somehow? to make him go to someone else , not here... to me, and they go, but these, well,

but i can, as a journalist, do it, and if you can't, you know exactly what it is that's how they feel, why should they respect some incomprehensible people there who deal with some organizations, and they also have a department at the ministry of internal affairs, and they believe that the department that deals with this prevention of terrorism and all this, he is more important than the fsb, which means that each of these gangs is a gang. in uniform, bandits, real, she may want to put her foot down, others, so that someone falls and the owner understands how important we are, uh, we, and this is an eternal struggle, and therefore, when something real begins, here i am in the world with a step, these do not reach , they don't come, they don't leave, everyone says, how could they leave?

40 minutes, when crocus city hall is specifically adjacent to the complex of buildings of the government, the moscow region and judicial institutions, which is guarded by the first, i would say, category, there is all this right on the territory, a special police unit, because this is the government of the moscow region, this is a serious organization that, according to moscow standards , must be seriously guarded. where were all these people, there was a special police unit nearby, they didn't come either, that is, they didn't come because they were just drinking on friday, i don't believe, they didn't come because they wanted the fsb officers to come first, huh , to put them first under this is absolute, because it is their jurisdiction, a terrorist attack, and we will see, let them come, let them not do it, let them die, and then we will come and restore order, the rosguard. and they, each of them, when he sits and hears this,

he thinks not how to send an outfit, but how to make it so that the competitor will be the first to appear at a difficult moment, and i will come when i can look good, well, a lot such moments, and every time you analyze these things, who, what, who heads the staff, what does he have for it, so... when there was a nordost, uh, the staff, of the ministry of internal affairs, who ultimately organized this terrible the operation was managed by the deputy minister of internal affairs of the russian federation, volodymyr vasiliev, who was, one might say, the soul of this operation, so he was, everyone believed that this was a catastrophic

situation. for him, well, i'm sorry , i'm sorry, what is sergey, volodymyr vasiliev, doing now, he leads the faction of the united russia party in the state duma, you understand, well, because if you take part in such a joke, your career is secured, vasiliev precisely because he participated in this operation. on dubrovka, the caveat is very important to putin, because it started the strengthening of authoritarianism, he secured for himself an absolutely unsinkable career on decade. forward, despite the fact that until this moment, when he was the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, no one perceived him as a political figure at all, he was just an ordinary, one of the ordinary officials of the ministry

of internal affairs, without political ambitions and opportunities, you understand , what is the head of the united russia faction, this is a serious figure, here i am... who, one way or another, may have the enormous trust of the president of russia vasiliev, by the way , led dagestan and arrested half of the leadership there after all this this means that the owner trusts you , he succeeded, he succeeded in impersonating others and showing his effectiveness, well, now when we look at crocus, there will also be an analysis of flights now and also who will be shot , so to speak. someone will be shot, so it is also necessary to clearly understand this whole situation , that is why it is a very difficult story, i think that it is necessary to sit down, really sit down, analyze all this, and then we will be able, if we have time for some consequences, to understand what

would he even want from this terrorist of the act, putin, even if he was not , let's say, its organizer, was just a person who... wants to take advantage of the consequences, or he may now believe that he was misinformed, so this will also be a conversation, who, who, which of them, this is also a serious conversation, i constantly think about the consequences for us, first of all, they can be both positive if putin starts to understand who could have given him false information or distorted information, because there is... i don't i know whether you agree with this or not more mess in the russian federation, the better for ukrainians. well, how can i say, i also don't think that this, you see, i generally think that it is necessary to deal with the supposed enemy. the mess very often leads to making decisions in an emotional state, such that no one will make in a state of predictability, because if a person is in an emotional

state, he does not think about the consequences, be it the art of public administration, any, even in a totalitarian state state, assumes that you are able to calculate the consequences of your act, even when you make a decision to use, say, tactical nuclear weapons, if you are not able to calculate the consequences in a situation of chaos, or at all do not think that in the situation under your control the consequences matter, if you start living today , then your decisions are much more dangerous to the outside world than decisions when you are in a state of predictability, a predictable dictator is better than an unpredictable one even in war, that's why everyone wants to do business in the first place. with sidneypin, he looks like a predictable dictator, uh, not even that, he can't be counted and predicted to the end either, but we count on him calculating the consequences of his actions, yes, when you sit across from him and you're biden and all that , you understand that you are talking to a person who

calculates the consequences of one or another of his decisions, that this is a working computer, and if it is not a working computer, you hit it, and it seems to you that it is good that it is not working , but he then explodes, well, it's about trump now i thought, well, i don't think that trump is as unpredictable as we think, but it is, trump can play this game, by the way, here is trump - this is a historical place, this crocus city hall, you know, that's how trump spent there beauty contest, that's where he seems to have had contacts with these women, after which, as they believe. russia has received some kind of incriminating material on a billionaire, the owner of this complex is agalarov, he is a former business partner of trump, this is exactly the place where a memorial plaque could be hung on the crocus city hall, here in such and such a year, the world beauty contest was held by donald trump, when russia becomes a democratic

state, it will be possible to rename krasnogorsk in trumpit and invite trump to change, well, that's better than. well, if you invite all these honorable women, citizens, i hope, of the russian federation, in the rank of no less than major general, ugh, who met with trump on that unfortunate evening for him, these women could open this memorial plaque, so well well, if we talk in general about what concerns us and... this is a meeting of advisers with issues of national security, i would still like to return to it if it was, if it was, in what format it was, and the secret is covered, ugh, it means that he

discussed with the ukrainian political leadership some information, some strategy, which could not be discussed through the closed channels of some of this closed communication between the white house and the bank, because you can well imagine that in order to tell the ukrainian leadership even fantastic... oh, you know, we are very concerned that you shoot at the russians oil refineries, please don't do this, you don't need to go to kyiv for this, the ambassador to the united states of america in ukraine can calmly meet with the relevant persons in the president's office and say this, it's a little secret, talk about it, but if in you have something you really need to talk about, some information like that. you then go at this level, at the level of the national security adviser,

go in absolutely special situations, and it's also a big problem that we don't know this, how many times jack salevan was at close in the east, almost not much, well, yes, although this is now the main principled story for the biden administration, but the secretary of state goes there, because he goes there to talk about consultations, the director of the central goes there. of the intelligence department, yes, who is talking to his counterpart, chief masado, there now they seem to be discussing some issues in qatar, whether it is possible to cease fire there or not, that is clear, and the adviser to the president does not go, not because he is disconnected from issues of the near east, and because that means he does not have any special one information that he could have discussed with his israeli colleagues, for which he had to go somewhere, because we understand that the secretary of state conducts a political dialogue, the director of the cia conducts. i would say a specific instrumental dialogue with the director of masada, and the assistant to the president is talking about some sensitive information that only

two or three people in the room should know, the president of the united states knows that, the secretary of state i, but where is the reason for that you don't need the state secretary with you draw attention to this conversation, and so i will come for a few hours, explain everything to you and go, okay, was it something mega good, as they say, or very bad? that it was good, rather it was, it was not good and not bad, it was, shall we say, important, important, yes, it could be some kind of explanation, what will happen with the help in reality, what are the opportunities in the administration, what are the russian intentions, what is happening with the political process, where the russians can fool the chinese, the saudis and so on, so that we have no illusions, there could be many things, but it is very it's hard to predict, and i think i'm kind of glad that there are some things that we don't know. and who do not write telegram channels associated with certain structures, because this is already a great

happiness, because i imagine what a temptation to say, oh, you know, sullivan came there and such and such ska, oh that's how many views , there are still many subscribers, so there is something that they understand that there can be serious consequences if you make such information public, then there is something that convinces even such people. for whom pr, everything, everything, there is nothing apart from pr, something that just makes them keep their mouths shut, that's great, and they definitely have this information, but how do they, well, i have, well, these people who were talking in the hall, they should be quiet already, and, so, it also says a lot that they are growing up, that they understand that something is not necessary, even as they always say that this is not what a father tells his son, this is not necessary to tell mother, you understand, this is not necessary, and it is difficult. well, i drank beer with the boys, you don't have to tell my mother, she will be upset, and so the child little by little

grows up, understands that not everything needs to be told, that something needs to be done by oneself, to be responsible for one's own actions, that there is some information, ugh, well, this is such a moment of the political maturation of the bank, well , conditional, we don't know, maybe they haven't yet endure, but they hold on, they hold on, they are silent, that's good, yes. it’s necessary, i’m generally for confidential information, you know, i said, we should have military censorship in general, what are we going to learn about, you and i will talk about politics, not about military censorship, we don’t we need to know what, where , where, where we got, what got here, what weapons did not get here, which got here, where is the military base, where is the training ground, we discuss all this constantly, as if we were talking about some location of higher educational institutions, but i think we are talking about what we are allowed to know. i would like to hope, not that there is a bridge, well , i would like to hope, but the military

enterprise is in the registers, and so on. oh, and a rocket got there, who would have thought? and this is a topic that has been circulating for a long time, and we even had specific shelling, which testified that we are in trouble from this situation, why are you not correcting anything, well, the process to clarify the understanding that not every piece of information should be printed in large letters on your forehead, but are ukrainians ready to that not everything will be shared with them, i hope, well, if they want to survive, then they should be ready, if they want not to survive, then let them know everything. what is needed, they will take this information with them to the grave, ugh, well, a few more words literally on the shelling, dniproges, we spoke with many military planning experts, and they note that the russians could not help but know that it is extremely difficult to destroy such an object with missiles, to disable it, even

for a certain time, but to destroy it in such a way that it would lead to a catastrophe like kakhovsky ...well, not unless it's a nuclear warhead, duh, and some, some, some believe that the russians may be upping the ante and hinting that they will and may be ready to use just that kind of weapon, well this is a difficult analysis i think that they simply could not set before themselves the goal of destroying the depoges, they could set before themselves the goal of reducing the energy capabilities of ukraine for a certain time, well, they are doing it anyway, why can’t they strike at dniproges, if they have withdrawn from... gs2 for a certain time, they can, during some subsequent attack, defuse gs1, well , it won’t be destroyed, it just won’t work and produce energy, well, if it happens for several months in a row, well, this approach is completely instrumental, if they think , that this electricity, say, is used for work including military enterprises, they may want

to slow down their work, why do you need a nuclear charge for this. well, you will constantly continue to hit these power plants, destroy the strategic energy system, it will decrease in volume, in this region, it is not a question of light in the houses, in fact, it is a question of how much energy is needed by this or that enterprise, which are either linked by the military industrial complex or simply those which bring some income to budget, well, reducing the budgets of the ukrainian ukrainian state, it is also absolutely logical from the point of view that all these revenues go to the armed forces, huh. but on the other hand, we saw more than just everything imaginable last season, and it didn't lead to concrete military consequences, or at least not to the ones i expected, they can just prepare more thoroughly, choose absolutely specific goals so that they take into account there what they did before and now they they are really fighting absolutely point-and-point for specific targets, since they wanted to think

that they would destroy that power plant, that one , that one, well, they kind of howl... they created such a picture, it turned out that the picture doesn't work, well now they can create a different picture, by the way, you should not think that they are all brilliant people, they can come up with a plan that will not work, how many such plans have there already been, well, they are trying, they first hit the military-industrial complex, now they hit the power system, then someone else strike, they, listen, they carry out , what do you call it, they have a plan of measures, this is a bureaucratic system in the ministry of defense of russia as well, and they have a plan of measures , the destruction of such a thing, they have to report, they report to geratsim, geratsim reports shaygu, shaygu will report to patrusho , patrusha will report to putin, once again putin will see the result, well, one or the other has been disabled, but to hit dniproges with a nuclear strike is not shigu's or patrusho's decision, it is putin's special responsibility, he is you can too to think, what is there, what will be the point, well, we will destroy this dnipro with a nuclear strike,

we will create a precedent of a nuclear strike and there will be no me... another hessa, what, well, there is no kakhovskaya hessa, what, what kind of happiness is this, that it made such a big difference in terms of war, uh, well, imagine, the use of nuclear weapons also has to be, you know, justified politically and in terms of consequences, if we just think that we're using them as conventional weapons just for to destroy some hydroelectric power plant, it is somehow very strange, even for putin, uh, primitive, i would say, nuclear weapons should use... as a final proof, the use of nuclear weapons should cause the state against which we used nuclear weapons to surrender the next day, and if we destroyed dnipro-hes with a nuclear strike, then we simply created another ecological catastrophe, another front -page text in western publications, also with