for national security. ukrainian intelligence warns of harm from telegram. how to regulate the activities of an information platform with russian roots. orthodox jihad. the moscow church declared a holy war in ukraine. why is a branch of the russian orthodox church still thriving in ukrainian orthodoxy? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests, with the major of the armed forces. ukrainian special officer ihor lapin, british political scientist taras kuzio and military expert oleksandr musieenko. however, before starting our big one conversation, i suggest watching the video of the russians shooting down their own su-27 plane over sevastopol, it was probably russian air defense, the so-called governor of occupied sevastopol mykhailo razvazhaev, confirm. see that

a military plane fell into the sea, the pilot ejected, unfortunately, he did not name the cause of the crash, but let's see how this plane fell beautifully.

friends, during our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about whether the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine should be banned, well, sort of rhetorical question, but still we will ask you, because yesterday patriarch kirill, aka gundyaev, declared that... that russia should wage a war with ukraine, a holy war, he says that all of ukraine is should be the territory of russia, and of course with a branch, or not with a branch, as he believes, with the russian orthodox church, that is, we are asking you whether the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine should be banned, since this activity is not prohibited by law, so yes 0800 211 381 no 08002 11382 this if you

watch us on tv dial this number, or one, or two and vote, at the end of the program we will sum up our tv voting and youtube voting, eh, and most importantly, remember that we have wonderful social networks that you can subscribe to right now, we are on almost all social networks, so join our large information space, meanwhile , the major of the armed forces of ukraine, special agent ihor lapin, joins our television space, mr. major, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, glory to ukraine , glory to heroes, i won't even ask you what we ask our tv viewers, because this is a rhetorical question, whether it is necessary to ban the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, let's start our conversation with zelensky's statement that

a major russian offensive is expected at the end of... may or june , the president of ukraine stated this in an interview with cbs news, let's listen to what zelensky said. and looking at the fact of the shortage of appropriate weapons, ammunition, from this fact, and looking at the fact that we are starting to prepare brigades for the relevant important for we acted, we stabilized the situation, it is better than two or three. months ago, but it is important that we share all the information with our partners and say that russia will prepare counter-offensive actions, and it may be the end of may, it may be the month of june. well , today zaekonmist writes about this, that a new major offensive is possible in june, and ukraine's ability to contain it this time looks... less confident, writes this

publication. how, mr. mayor, should ukraine prepare for this offensive, have we already lost that time, and how can ukraine stop this attack? well, look, the question was missed or not, this is already a rhetorical question , i hear the echo very strongly, tell your viewers, i hear myself very loudly, so the question is rhetorical, because in principle we should build defense structures all the time, you will notice how only the russians have squeezed out some piece of territory, the equipment immediately starts moving , the concrete mixers immediately start to turn on, and they actually bury their infantry in the ground, ours lives in... seas that they dug for themselves with shovels. we remember how zaluzhny, stopping our counteroffensive, saw him futility, without aviation support and superiority, total superiority in artillery, as well as demining systems, already then said that it is necessary to prepare for defense, that the front

becomes static, and i said, a static front without an advantage in artillery is our death, so if we, if it is static, then it must be buried in the ground enough to save the infantry. unfortunately , president zelensky most likely concluded in the context that why should we prepare defense if we are only going to attack and liberate our territories, for so that at some possible istanbul-2 turkish negotiations, the realities on the ground in our country look better than putin can imagine. the result, the result is that we invested the best infantry in the world, we invested in raw ukrainian soil. i am talking now about my brothers and sisters. well, but nevertheless... less has not taught zelensky anything, and now of course he says that we are better off than three months ago, of course, we have already left avdiivka, we have left the lastochkino redoubt, and we do not have new defensive lines there built, and we see how the enemy is constantly pressing in

the avdiiv direction. if we look at what is happening today, sivyar time has very good defense structures due to, let's say, its own capabilities. but if we look, for example, in the south from the time of yar, the same ivanivskoe, then the russians begin to press there, and the question is: why should the flanks crack again and hold on at the expense of the bodies of my brothers and sisters? the russians will not attack head-on, they could not take avdiivka head-on, neither could bakhmut they didn't take him head on, and the same story will happen now, they won't take him head on, how did the situation improve a little? if you believe the words of the president, i see only one direction, that of kupino, and it has improved in that the russians stopped, did not put more pressure, well, they say that they transferred some units to the belgorod region, although in principle you should not ask ihor lapin , in

intelligence, therefore, summarizing the above, if we talk about the fact that something may have improved today, then it is only thanks to the fact that even in the months of january... only in january, despite the august declarations of the still active, only in january did the cabinet of ministers allocate funds for the construction of defense structures, and they began to dig, and they did not start digging everywhere in january, i already told in zaporizhzhia, they started from january to in february, they were playing with tenders for a month, they were 40 km from the front, and they were playing with tenders, by the way, they never held tenders, but maybe now i think that it is right, when the zaporizhia regional council dissolved itself there and transferred everything.. administration, well, actually 40 km to the front, which council is already there , which votes are already there, all the power there must be, as they say, in the hands of the military, because otherwise zaporizhzhia is not too far from a possible defeat by the russians, therefore the question of

defense structures will be acute, the question changes will be acute, and of course air defense systems, the situation will improve a lot if our helmsmen stop sitting and... giving, when the congress will vote or not vote there, and will ask questions about the purchase, conditionally, whether patriot or sampti for that , to cover kharkiv, in order to to cover sumy, in order to cover odesa, zaporizhzhia, well, such big cities, because the russians, as far as i can see, they are starting this theory of great chaos in large megacities, in order to increase the flow of citizens, internally displaced persons from those or other cities, well, look, they are bombing. already kharkiv is not an infrastructure, they are just knocking down residential areas, why? well, that’s probably why they do it, and they hit not only with the help of guided air bombs in our front-line territory, but they hit behind with the help of missiles that we cannot shoot down, the same s-300 and so on. sumy

is suffering in the same way, so it's time for us to work in this direction and while the united states is voting there, they don't vote, but press the story with frozen russian assets. for at least the purchase of air defense, i think it would be appropriate for president zelensky to turn to france, based on the situation, after hearing macron's readiness to enter. troops, well troops, not troops, but air defense systems, together with maintenance personnel, could work, covering odesa, for example, and this must be done, but for this we need an appeal from the president, the introduction of troops on the territory of ukraine, it requires a vote of the parliament, well, we see what our parliamentarians are doing , they are coming up with bills to usurp power in ukraine, unfortunately , i do not see the prospect of adopting the law of ukraine. about mobilization, i don't see such a prospect yet, i don't know,

yaroslav zheleznyak reported today that it has already been adopted, more than 400 of these amendments have been considered, that is, 97 or 98% of this bill has been passed, but there are so many different and contradictory things that, as a result , do you think that even if the verkhovna rada passes this bill in this form and it becomes law, will zelensky sign it, why is zelensky saying now that there is a danger of a new the russian offensive does not say that let's urgently pass a law on mobilization, because we will need people in the summer. zelensky became a politician, not a statesman. he never became a statesman, these are not popular theses. see about the lowering of the conscription age from 27 to 25 years old. this bill has been voted. is lying in dirmak's office to be signed by the president, and he

has not signed it for almost a year, so what else can we talk about there, the same story can be here, you will see how it will go in the hall, you will see that will be done with those amendments, some say, some say he is not a soldier, but decided to become a politician, politicians think for ratings, statesmen think for the state, should supreme commander-in-chief zelenskyi be the one to take on unpopular decisions during such a war? well, a now let's talk frankly, do we have a law on mobilization in ukraine? there is, and what are they considering now then? well, they consider additions and amendments, and are there points that can be settled without additions and amendments only thanks to the cabinet of ministers' resolution, yes, well, for example, the list, this is a sample of the id card of the stc employee, the rights and obligations of the stc employee in the context of handing over. the algorithm for serving summonses is something that the cabinet of ministers can do, it is not necessary to gather 226

deputies for this, but they have been doing this for two years they don't do it, and that's all, so what, what reforms do we still lack? well , let me take this opportunity regarding the russian orthodox church, the russian orthodox church, their russian patriarchate of moscow published there in russia on the 27th, well, their document, i don't know what they are all called, about the war. against ukraine is sacred. that's how they used the terrorist attacks in that korokus, and for them the question of destroying ukrainians as such a nation is already at the level of the orthodox and their moscow patriarchate. it's clean in the form of genocide. calls for the destruction of a nation are pure genocide. that is, orthodox jihad, you can also call it that. yes yes. look, mr. igor, another topic is quite relevant in... in the context of what the russians are going to do, because they are currently conducting a large information work, and

the center for countering disinformation at the nsdc says that the russians are throwing in a lot of information about the offensive on kharkiv, and this is part of the enemy's fear mongering campaign and is not true, but this is a tool used by the russians, mostly in ukraine , through which they are running, this is a body controlled by a russian idiot, and as general budanov says, telegram is actually a national security issue, and now i suggest that you listen to budanov, what he said about telegram, from a national security point of view, it is is definitely a problem, it must be understood, despite the fact that i am absolutely against oppression of freedom of speech, but it is already too much. that is, with us, any person can make a channel, start announcing on it everything he wants, absolutely everything he

wants, and when they start doing something, to cover up that it is the freedom of the people, but it is not the freedom of the people, it is called a little differently. people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi has prepared a draft law, which proposes to establish for the service, for messenger, telegram and similar services, approx. the same requirements, as already established by the ukrainian media law for youtube and the eu legislation for the rest of the services, that is, not to ban it, but to regulate it, when it is clear who is leading this telegram? channels, as they are used in, let's say, work and whether against ukraine or for ukraine, and accordingly, in order to normalize the existence of this service, how do you perceive these initiatives and do you think that telegram in some cases is simply evil, which helps the russians wage

war against us in the fourth dimension, in the information , oh, listen, you know, i... i want to say that for me personally, the question of the media in general is the question of freedom of speech, but in ukraine freedom of propaganda, freedom of lies is hidden behind freedom of speech, and there are absolutely no mechanisms to solve everything from speech , well, a small example, that is, if you have some media in the media, not even in telegram, in the media, they barked at you, filled with shit and published false information, you go to court in good faith, you go to court for three years and the court obligates you to ... one or another mistake, because already you can’t call it another , you can’t refute the information presented, and if the scumbag doesn’t refute it, then there are no algorithms and mechanisms to remove the fake, even by court decision, especially if the scumbag is some internet resource that is registered, relatively speaking, it can to be in any country in the world, and

to be managed from a ukrainian ip address of some kind there, well, that is, it is not an option. if we listen to budanov that way, then in principle he said that the kid is not a good person in our country, because it turns out that there are telegram channels in our country, and the counter-intelligence of the sbu cannot determine who is behind the propagandistic things. well, everything is clear to me. the kid is not fit. as for the draft law of mr. mykola knyazhytskyi, well, it carries risks to a certain extent, because attachment to certain people can also have risks, well, for example, i read a critical one. from the side of such a network we have informed, well, you understand that we receive information from the president's office, remember the thesis, we planned a counteroffensive and it was lying on putin's desk, that is , it flows in yermak's office, then imagine how it flows in this national regulatory agency there issues

of television or in any other structure, if the roof leaks in the presidential office. so what else do we want to regulate there in other mechanisms? a debatable issue, well, for me personally, i emphasize once again, if we cannot settle the media issue, then the issue of russian propaganda, that is, it is no longer some kind of personal slander about a person and so on, namely the fight against propaganda, if the kid doesn’t cope, well , let him file a report, write that he can’t cope with this story, that’s all, he can’t figure out who is behind with a card... the office cannot determine who is behind the telegram channel joker and so on, well, if he can't determine, well, we all know, and he can't, well, what are you going to do, well, that's how life is, bye things, the center for combating disinformation published a list of the main ticktock channels, who spread enemy propaganda, another network, a social network, which is being fought, by the way, in the united states of america, which is in

tiktok, the center for countering disinformation notes that there is in... in this list, a long list, they identified personal channels of russian propagandists , such as volodymyr solov'ov and margarita simonyan, leading kremlin media, such as tas, vesti, rntv, etc. russian artist shaman and blogger anatoly shariy were also included in the list. in the context of how russia tries to influence the information space of ukraine in general, it continues influence, because the russian television was closed. at one time, the vkontakte social networks were closed to classmates, they still use tiktok, they still use telegram, and obviously the biggest network, i will also call it the kremlin network, it is still the russian orthodox church, it is an even greater danger. which threatens ukraine more than any

social networks or services, messengers, why hasn't a clear decision been made until now that there should not be a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, no matter what it is called a church, ukrainian the orthodox church or the orthodox church, well, such a church should not exist during a war. well, i want to say that, to our great regret, first of all, the law of ukraine has not been implemented in our country for several years, by the way, ihor lapin, the author of this law, so that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate does not exist in our state of ukraine. if the church has a connection with the country. an aggressor with another country, it should be called the russian orthodox church, then it will be more clear if a sign of the russian church hangs on it, then i think that many of the citizens will stop... even going to it, this is one story that concerns agent networks and the tiktok network and so on, well, for budanov , you see, the greater threat is telegram, not

tiktok, although the americans all the same , they stand out and fight against tiktok, i wonder why, i will tell you why, well, probably none of the ukrainian politicians or military have such popularity as budanov in tiktok, well , that's all, maybe. ram is just not that popular in the united states of america, it could also be that tik-tok is chinese, it is much more aggressive in the united states. i emphasize once again, i believe that what belongs to the country of the aggressor should be prohibited in our country, what belongs to the countries, allies, countries of the aggressor should also be prohibited. recently, narratives and everything else do not connect a country like china with a democratic country. after all, it is considered an authoritarian country, but we are a democratic country, well, we don't need that crap, i think so, well, this is my subjective opinion, let's put it this way, it's up to you to decide

, of course, we were able to ban our classmates on vkontakte, by the way, i want to boast that ihor lapin wrote the first appeal to the national security council on this matter, i remember very well how much he did not respect freedom of speech for me then, and in general he was so bad, and so what... that's what it is it is so convenient for my classmates to listen to music on vkontakte and so on, i then poured so much crap on my head, but nevertheless, thank god we live without that crap, i also think that it is necessary to deal with any information or so-called information networks, which pose a threat national security, the only thing , well, you understand, give zelensky another tool today to usurp power, well, let him have... six managers instead of the parliament, he has a yermak who gives orders, separate orders to the prime minister to the prime minister , i.e. instead of the government, and give him

the leverage to exclude or include something besides the only marathon, this is the biggest risk, i see that we went to war for a democratic ukraine, and we will return from the war and we will be shocked by what will be here, don't give god, let's put an end to this, mr. major, it was ihor lapin, a major of the armed... forces of ukraine, a special officer, a deputy of the verkhovna rada of the eighth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, and on youtube and on tv we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about whether the activities of the russian orthodox church should be banned in ukraine, yes, no, in everything is quite simple on youtube, on tv you pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if you think that the roc has, the activities of the roc have be prohibited in ukraine (0800-2011 300). 81 no. 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next , we will be in touch with taras kuzio, a british

political scientist. mr. taras, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory. mr. taras, terrorism against russia and russian terrorism against the world. this is one of the main topics this week. followed today. the so-called spy of the so-called russian federation accused of involvement already that they have evidence of a connection crocus terrorists with ukrainian nationalists, as they said, although it is absolutely obvious that we should not talk about terrorism and the involvement of ukrainians, because this is complete delusion, but about why the world has not yet recognized the terrorist essence of the modern russian state, you is? versions , why this, this is not happening, even though everyone sees that they are a terrorist, well, i think we need to understand here that it is only the united states of america that does this, it is not

the united kingdom or the european union that does this, it is only the united states of america, and as i understand it russia wants to do, determine the state, which, which supports or is... a theoretical state, similar to north korea, iran, but here it is the biden administration, it is against it, and here it is blocked by the biden administration , why is it blocking it, they they didn't say publicly, but probably this is connected with the fact that i believe that this is a very weak administration, they, it, it is obvious that, as they are very slowly... slowly handing over weapons to ukraine, and plus, the biden administration, it showed a week ago, when they complained that

ukraine did not... inside russia, that they never said that they wanted russia to lose the war, this is very important because the british said it, the scandinavian countries said it, the poles, the baltics said it, but the united states of america never said it wanted russia to lose the war, and i think that it is precisely this darkened attitude towards russia. this is a very slow transfer of weapons, this is all related to the biden administration, and we remember that he is a person from the obama team, and we remember, in the year 14, they were also very weak, mr. taras, but that is what the defeat of russia means, that is, whether it is the vision, well, in the same great britain, that the defeat of russia is a departure from putin's power, it is

demilitarization. the denuclearization of russia is the de-fascism of russia, that is, what, what, what will we consider russia's defeat, or just withdrawal from the territory of the ukrainian state? well, i think that there are exactly two points here, the first point is that ukraine did not lose and won the war, and the second point is that russia lost, and right here they are... obviously there is a connection, but it seems to me , that on the one hand the united states of america and on the other hand scholz and germany, because he always is hiding behind biden's back, and they, they are afraid of what will happen to russia, how it will lose the war and fall apart, and i remember it was the same way more than 30 years ago in 91

when... ... bush sr. visited kyiv, we remember his speech on august 1 , 1991, where he advised ukrainians not to hold on to their independence, and this one, well, that's the approach it still has today. they are very afraid that how russia will lose the war in ukraine, how it will be, for example, something similar to what happened in the 17th year, when it crumbled the army of the tsarist empire, what will it be, it will be, it will be a country in crisis, it, it will scatter, not a russian national minority, will demand independence, and they fear what will happen with nuclear weapons, and because of this, this is a matter of escalation, as they say, they are just because of this, they are not ready.

to support ukraine to the end, and to the end means that russia loses, they don't want ukraine to lose, they will give a little weapons, but to give ukraine enough weapons that it won, i already see that it will not happen, against this background, mr. taras, literally during the last month there were either hints or a shower of some information. in the french press about the position of french president emmanuel macron, about the fact that french troops can be on the territory of ukraine, there under such and such conditions, under such and such conditions, there were various statements, and macron made it clear to the world that suddenly deterioration of the situation on the territory of ukraine, french troops may be there, while bloomberg wrote that american officials were allegedly angered by the statement,

emmanuel macron and the spokesman of the state department, yu miller commented on this publication, referring to bloomberg, which referred to the dissatisfaction of the american side. let's hear what matthew miller had to say. i have no reaction to this post, but of course we have made it clear that the united states is not going to send any troops to ukraine. macron is a head of state that is a longtime ally of the united states. and we work productively with them on a number of issues, including support for ukraine. mr. taras, is it possible to defeat the russians? ukrainians without opening a second front? well , i don't think it's about the second front, it's about what's in europe.