but as we know, in view of our media activity, people often read the headlines and do not look at the essence, and then the perception of this tragedy is superimposed, without exaggerating the tragedy by perceiving putin and his people as victims, here it is necessary to distinguish where the people are , and where is putin, and believe me, they do it skillfully in the world, and a plus... do not forget that putin works for an internal audience, now the story is called mobilization, you and i will see it in the near future, it will have new spin, i don't think he will publicly announce it, because he did not have such a springboard, after the terrorist attack, which he knew about back in mid-february and was warned by our western partners, he wanted to use it, probably, i suspect, to announce mobilization, because look what these. .. the nazis, the fascists are

already doing idols together with us, that is, equating us to idols and let's fight terrorism together, i, putin , am ready to help you, well, in this way, first of all, to make relations between the western world and the citizens of the western world a little lighter, well for to the internal audience to show that you see what is happening, what the ukrainians have come to, then we must destroy them all, as we planned, find confirmation of my words, look how many... children, how many guilty people died, they were simply shot, like some kind of animals on the hunt, let's go and we will do it, well, and i will tell you that we poured there in the telegram channels, we will also talk about telegram later, as far as i know, but in the telegram channels of the orks, especially the propaganda wagon, they have direct ones that can be traced along in the theses, which they all write , it was said that now, if we take prisoners, we will not... leave them alive, but

we will do what they did to our people, that is, there is no confirmed data, none, i emphasize, there is no way that this is ukraine, even the escape route of these terrorists in a renault, which ran through the bryansk region, then they turned something in belarus to the belarusian border, but lukashenko said that they turned it around, but then they remembered that there is no need to go there , we need to go to ukraine, well, in a word, trash nonsense, the lies that they ... carry all these years, for whom it played well, it played well for putin, given that his electorate, in even greater fear and hatred of neighboring russia, is, that is they are even more afraid now, including him, and he is for them, just like after the terrorist attacks that were committed before the war in chechnya in his time, he is for them a person who, in their opinion, is for them... this is me now i will say about the main,

main layer of the population, well, the rest, those who are at war, being more aggressive, and perhaps the same obsessed, his followers , ideological, will say that the time has come, we have to go, because i don't want this to happen to my family, well, people are mostly of low intellectual status and are zombified by tv, tv is cool too worked, these are the thoughts. thank you, yanina, but against the background of what putin says, as he says, the words of patriarch gundyaev, this one, fesshny, who said that we need to introduce a holy war, that in ukraine this is svo, this is actually a holy war, were also heard. now we will hear a small fragment of what he said, then katerina, you will comment, please, the main task is the main task.

orders, as well as the long-term activity of the entire worldwide russian people's council, is the protection and strengthening of the russian world. the division, weakening of the russian people, deprivation of their spiritual and vital forces, has always led to the weakening and crisis of the russian state, therefore the restoration of the unity of the russian people, as well as its spiritual and vital potential, are key conditions development of russia.

which started with putin and these hints about the ukrainian footprint, now continues with the so -called russian orthodox church , they, well, really. are getting their way in the country, that they are trying to turn everyone against the ukrainians, that this is a holy war, that it is necessary to go and kill, and even the church convinces that it is necessary to go and kill people who live nearby, well, this is still madness, but simply in it doesn't fit into our heads, but as far as it goes, it's probably the same quality work that was done there in the kremlin for decades , so it turns out that the citizens of russia hate ukrainians so much, but it is not clear why, why, it is clear when ukrainians, hearing rockets above you, when your relatives and neighbors are dying there, you have nowhere to live, and you yourself almost died , and you don’t know what it will be like tomorrow, when ukrainians hate russians, well, in

this sense, it’s understandable, and what are the actual grounds for russians to hate ukrainians, it’s absolutely unclear, that’s why all this is put into, well... not a healthy head, probably that’s why that a healthy head with at least some with minimal critical thinking, it cannot simply digest all this, understand and somehow fix it, the internal audience, well , it warms up, this whole mood turns out like this, and the enemy is molded from someone who has not actually done anything bad to you, yes, a terrorist attack, tragedy, you, moreover, the western special services warned that it was being prepared, it all happened. the world says that it is not ukraine, you say that it is ukraine, why will it be shown on tv, telegram channels, something and something else, here the church also said, well, probably for citizens of russia, who listen and immediately perceive what they heard, what was put in

their heads, in their ears, they will continue to exist in this algorithm, and this, of course, is the fear, and this is , of course, the motivation, and what is the need for this to wage war at all, probably, if you ask people, well, periodically we see such polls, now we understand that in principle the media should work on the territory of russia, at least some polls from the street should be brought with the opinions of the people live, in fact they can't, then there are some consequential eyes there, well some connections, then people also cannot repeat them, where did it all start, and what do you hate, and why do you have to fight there with the ukrainians, well, now these are so fresh, so to speak, hot facts, they will have the church in their heads said this holy war , to us for... well, putin himself admitted that it threatens, in principle, ukraine threatens the existence of russia, which means to whom, which means to all russians there, well, absolutely, i think that this is work in a larger tailored to your audience. well, but a foreign audience, judging by the fact that said president emmanuel macron, while

in brazil, he said that despite everything that is happening, obviously in russia, he made it clear that the invitation of the dictator putin to the brazilian summit is a big one. dozens of this year will be needed for this to happen, the consent of all members of this association will be needed, well, he clearly made it clear that no matter what putin says, no matter how he interprets recent events, he was and remains a human being after all , from which no one wants, well , most no one wants to sit next to, but except india, probably china. let's hear what macron said. the point of this club is to have a consensus with... 19 other members. this will be the job for the diplomats of brazil, which will preside over this summit. if this meeting can be useful, we should do it. but if it creates a split, surely this should not happen.

yanina, why doesn't the world say that there is actually a terrorist state next to yedil, that is , the number one terrorist, because yedil even. was offended that they were not considered the main terrorists in the world when they started there blame it on the ukrainians, everything that the ukrainians are involved in this terrorist attack, and they officially began to say, yes, no, it is us, although the whole world sees that russia is simply engaged in the terror of ukraine, ukrainian territories, the ukrainian people, ukrainian cities, that , which has been happening for the past two weeks, that is, they have been ticking boxes against countries that expressed sympathy, for two weeks they have been actively shelling our energy infrastructure and committing a war crime, terror, and no one is talking about it, because

it's scary, sergey, this is the only reason why we have not received the taurus at the moment, this is the only reason why we have not received the patriot missiles in that volume. who needs, and this is fear , fear of what we will need, if suddenly, what to enter into this whole story, again, the republicans who say: that the united states cannot recognize russia as a terrorist country there within of their american system within the senate, congress and all possible institutions, why don't they do it, because they will have to directly, as the number one country in the defense of democracy and the fight against terrorism to fight, and no one wants to fight directly, but to put two and two together and... understand that we are for you, we are the only army of the world, the only army of the world, which is now

opposing so, so and so machine, such a beast, you should only help this ukraine to do its work not at the expense of the deaths and lives of your soldiers, but at the expense of ours, if it didn't sound cynical for them, and for us as well. why don't they do it, they are afraid? i read yesterday's interview with sholtz, and we seem to have seen the light at the end at the end of the tunnel called taurus and many other issues and long-range weapons, and here suddenly something went wrong, because they also take the yellow german publications and talk about the fact that putin said that if such weapons were suddenly provided to ukraine. then they will consider germany a party to the conflict and will bomb not ukraine, but germany,

but let him say what he wants, why does this cause this delusion, this terrorist who cannot completely occupy donbas in 10 years with his first or second army in the world , and why in among the european leaders , who are part of the largest defense... ilona maska, who say that if the war continues, if russia loses, then this is definitely the third world war, because they will not give this victory to ukraine just like that, because, therefore, it is not necessary to... help ukraine to win, but it is necessary wait until ukraine is here

mess around for years, and then, later you look and putin will accumulate, god forbid, and then there will be no need to help, but we will stretch the time, i am not talking about fantasies now, i am talking about direct arguments that are heard in pubs at the table in conversations between people who decide something in one or another. country , so it's sad that this is the case, but they are driven by fear, and so is macron, you see, his statements are quite strong, agree, we have heard a lot in the last month, we see the french prime minister, with not only shouts glory to ukraine at speeches in their parliament, but also for announcing some decisive steps, but for now all this is only within the framework. some conversations and political games and demonstrations to the domestic

electorate, all these are boys and girls , mostly who talk and do nothing, we only have the baltic countries, and britain - these are the ones who actively help not only in word and deed, but the rest is all a game for the domestic audience and to earn more electoral points in europe, this is also a competition, you understand perfectly well. despite the handshake hugs and kisses are also a competition for influence, for authority, for the flag of european democracy, which they drag over themselves, nothing more, only when action comes from these people, not words, we will already see the result, for now i only see fear , thank you, that in addition to fear, katerina, maybe she can take action now and not show this fear. or talk about who putin really is and treat him

like that, and not allow it, well, if someone from the big 20 is there for putin to be around, then in principle, if there is a consensus decision, he will sit there as if nothing had happened, will decide the fate of the world in this big twenty people who are the most important in the world, but if he is not there on the 20th? and the sanctions, for example, the global ones, they will not be improved now, more controlled so that russia cannot earn there and cannot strengthen its economy and hold on. in order to continue the war against ukraine, and if sanctions are not cut off where western spare parts go and western companies cooperate with the russian federation, then well what about the fact that, for example, he is sitting on the j20 or not, that is , these facts are still important here, precisely what decisive actions are, and, because there are economists there now, there is already an opportunity

to analyze, and what i am silent about 2014 and those first crimean sanctions, how effective were they? well, we have already seen how russia has been preparing all these years , and in the occupied crimea, there were those siems and other things in these two years, well, we can also analyze how effective the sanctions are, and is it possible to improve them somewhere, who continues there to trade, to work and to be interested in russian money, that is, these are also important factors, in relation to western politicians, they also take into account the opinion of people, if the population there are these... countries and people, sociology itself gives certain and decisive or not decisive actions, they are also forced to probably react to this as well. thank you, and the question is, how do we react to everything russian, or related to russian, so we came to the telegram, because it is a very important issue, and general budanov at strathcom, at this year's forum, which

took place just a few days ago, said that the telegram network in many respects has a destructive effect inside the country, but allows to convey information to people in the occupied territories. let's listen to budanov. from a national security perspective, this is definitely a problem. this must be understood. despite the fact that i am absolutely against suppression of freedom of speech, but this is already too much. that is, any person can make a channel here, start announcing whatever he wants on it. absolutely everything... he will want and, when they start doing something, cover up that it is the freedom of the people, and that not the freedom of the people, it's a little different, it 's called differently. yanina, can ukraine do without a telegram? maybe, but this is not a matter of one day. let's start with the fact, friends, what is telegram, it is a network that was created by russians. pavlo

durov and his brother created this network, and part of the money that was... invested in the existence of this network was russian money, even when pavlo durov, his brother and the entire team that originally created vkontakte, vkontakte, let me remind you, squeezed out the russian federation as a state, the telegram remained, and when they created it, russian money was there. at the moment, pavlo durov lives with his family in the united arab emirates, he asks not to be called a russian, he is no longer a russian, because he ... had a passport of the arab emirates and now he is developing his network there even more, this person is a billionaire, the telegram office is also in the arab emirates, and from there he relays the freedom of the telegram, the opportunity for everyone to use, as bodanov said, to create a telegram channel for everyone, and thus

talking about the possibilities and unprecedented protection, which he calls a certain ... loophole exists within telegram, but what we see in the last weeks, for example, and when we see with you how one or another fire adjuster or fire adjuster is detained, then we we see the correspondences, correspondences of these traitors with the russian side, usually these correspondences are carried out in a signal, that is if we are talking about some high level more or less. an intellectual person who thought about security, and usually for 1000 hryvnias for photography, equipment or some military object, these people correspond with the curators from the russian federation within the framework of telegram, and then with the help of a letter sent from the territory of ukraine, already by our cyber police,

they get access to the correspondence, including those deleted by these characters, in the territory of the russian federation. there was a case, if you remember, a ukrainian sportswoman, in the 23rd year, she seems to be a football player, decided to go play football, a football team in the territory of the russian federation, and it seems that her name was daria kravets, it seems, if not i'm wrong, well, in a word, the russians hugged our darya and decrypted her phone, and in this phone, in deleted caches, well, so to speak, deleted files. which were cleaned by daria before this phone was taken from her, they found information that daria wanted to help the armed forces, to transfer all the money earned in russia, calling the russian woman. orcs and the like, well , they accused her there, that is, the russians easily took and decrypted this person's phone,

remotely, they can do it too, remotely, believe me, and what they do, so talk about protection for the 10th year of the war, the second year of a full-scale war, protection of the number one network in ukraine, well, you agree with me that telegram is a network with the help of which we learn everything from news to... air alert, tracker missiles and everything else, and the ukrainian government, it talks about how dangerous it is, but the majority of telegram channels are supervised by the bank and were created with the help of the bank, and then the question arises, if we actually have a russian network, in the hands of a country that fighting as a tool of construction. the information field in people's heads, the ideological field in people's heads and an unprotected network, then why does nothing happen to it. 800 million people

, at the moment, 800 million people in the world use telegram, i know that there are probably even more, this information was given last month, and i will conclude by saying that we talked with the ministry of digital affairs, with the employees of the ministry of digital affairs, together, and even i will tell you that bloggers who are millionaires, we have a chat where we communicate... with mindigitra, when something happens with youtube, they also help us with facebook, but about we also spoke on telegram, and we decided together, it was such a non-public conversation and the decision that we will slowly switch to whatsapp, and we even provided data to open channels there, but sergey, you understand that quickly it will not be possible to pass, and we ourselves, our team has a telegram channel so that people learn about... the truth, people learn about worries, about fresh interviews, about our products. at the moment , it should all be like a car, a locomotive, which of this multi-car system, with a machine

the mechanism must be managed by the authorities, the figures are ready, only a political decision remains, because the russian network should not be the number one network in the country in which the russians are the authors of this network. er, the direct founders , yes, they take and kill us and want our death, and we take and use their network, so beyond any doubt, and how the branch of the russian orthodox church should not be in ukraine, well, it is also stupid it looks absolutely, katerina, you are a supporter of banning telegram, or let's say, regulating it by law, so that absolutely everyone understood who owns which telegram channels, well, how is it actually on youtube, how? in fact, it is with other information projects, because these are large, powerful resources, where, for example, there are millions or several million subscribers, these are telegram channels

that decide many things in ukraine now, influence many things, and we do not know the owners, or as if how the owner is some kind of public person there, but in fact, whether it is her or not , she does everything, also the question on the bank, by the way, they said that they do not manage any channels, and even if you go from of this statement. even if they didn't create there, not in the president's office, they created some telegram channels, but still there was a certain certain process of establishing these relations with certain popular telegram channels, well, it can be seen, we remember the ofreks there, which were scandals about that , and when media people and journalists are not called, not to some such meetings, but telegram channels are called, and the influence is crazy and some telegram channels are popular, they obviously see whose point of view. stand for, let's say, it can also be seen with the naked eye, the telegram gave such, such a high standard, because we really quickly find all the information there, including where

the missiles are flying and useful information, and of course there is also useless and dangerous information, well, i think it should be just a firm decision of the authorities, you and i talked about and mentioned vkontakte and classmates there before the broadcast, it happened, no one died there, nothing happened, for sure that... whatsapp channels there will not grow so quickly and efficiently , if there is this alternative that everyone is used to, and it is really convenient, well, i wanted those alternative western messengers, they may also have improved somewhere so that we could save files and communicate there and have some public channels and receive this information promptly, so i think it should be clear the decision is, of course, unpleasant, of course it must be done very competently and normally so that the ukrainians understand why it is being done and hear it, but what is the alternative, mr. buda? says about informing people in the occupied territories, it is very important, and this is an issue that i am also in including in the crimea project , on which i worked a lot, one of the important points

is not only... the internet and messengers, because not all people use them anyway, it is, for example, radio broadcasting, which we have with radio broadcasting in the occupied territories in general, during these years, for example, it has been done, that is, it should be some kind of comprehensive work on informing ukrainians in the occupied territories, including through modern , new media, and including through those means that have long been known to everyone, but for some reason , they are not used very effectively now, i thank kateryna nekrecha and yanina sakalova for the wonderful conversation on friday. thank you, my colleagues, i wish you all the best, and i will tell our viewers that we did not have time to talk about the parliamentary crisis, i think we will continue this conversation on monday at 8:00 p.m. and at 9:15 p.m. this week mariana bezugla said that she is not released from the servants of the people faction and therefore she cannot leave this faction, arahamia says about the threat of a crisis in the council, what threatens the parliamentary crisis in

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greetings, i am asking for your help in the search for this boy, his name is vanya gorbachevsky, he is 13 years old, and he disappeared in the temporarily occupied. skadovska, kherson region. we only have this photo of him, apparently taken a few years ago. now it seems to be maturing a little older but i ask you to look carefully into the boy's face. you may recognize him. and ivan disappeared on june 1, 2023, and since then there is no news about him. of course, it is not excluded that vanya could be taken to russia, as, unfortunately, often happens with children

in the occupied territories. but this is only an assumption and in reality.