of regionalism in the russian federation, co-organizer of the free peoples of postrossia forum, will appear now, i hope on our screens with you, and we will talk about what is happening with him. good health, mr. oleg, thank you for finding time for us. and i just this evening, i just spoke with the military expert, and i also asked this question, and i will ask you this question. the question is from my own experience, i just saw with my own eyes how i proved... to the soviet ideas of carrion, i remember myself there in the first grades of school, still even before school, i remember how everyone believed, well , most believed in communism, that it was right, then i remember myself as a teenager, less believed, and then when i was a student, and after i graduated university, i saw that no one believed, at least in my environment, and i had the impression that no one believed at all, now let's move on to modern russia, until recently i had... i had the impression

that russians believe 100%, well not 100, it's 90 there, okay, they believe, but i have this, don't ask where it's from, it's this feeling, it's not wrong, it's emotion, after navalny's death and after putin's election, and especially after this crocus, and the words that accompany this crocus, it's all ukraine, it's all america, it's all mi6, mi5, intelligence service, and budanov and so on. i have the impression that the russians are not very into this, that is, they begin the process of disbelieving what the authorities say, am i speaking correctly, am i mistaking the wish for reality, and is such a drift back and forth of distrust even possible? it's a very interesting subject, and there's actually quite a lot of research on how people seem perfectly capable of intellectual actions, both in authoritarian or totalitarian societies.

that imaginary, absurd picture painted by the regime, and the first studies were carried out with the germans, yes, they are not even russians, there were those who had a much worse background, that is, it was the nation of hertha, petkhovina, who accepted nazi ideas, and many german philosophers , and psychologists, fromm there, yes, and jasper, heidegger, they then investigated how the germans there in 5-7 years slipped to the point of burning people in auschwitz, and the total majority of people felt that way calm, yes, they did not participate there. directly in crimes, but they did not oppose them. in fact, we have been observing the same situation in the russian federation for the last 20 years, this slow drift towards conformity, when people do not, in my opinion, believe in this absurd myth, because this majority of people who lived under the soviet union, they do just like you, went through this period of a certain awareness of a total lie, most likely it is about conformism, they accepted it, they decided not to fight it, but those events from... they

they say that they can't live on their island and they have to be part of the universe, so most likely it's not about realizing a lie, but about the fact that you can't hide in this, i don't know, cardboard house, or with a wedge and to think that it doesn't concern you, i think it's more about that here. even then, one question, what could be the reaction, mr. oleg, i mean, if there is another crocus, because we know that idil in... already said about a fairly quick repetition, he did not say where, how and what , but probably he is i was annoyed by the fact that they say that this is ukraine, this is america, this is england, this definitely offends any terrorist, so why is he doing these terrorist acts, but it turns out that he is not doing it, so if something else happens again , and then it may happen again, what may be the reaction of society, or of most of society. will unite

around the flag, or vice versa, they will again have what we just said, will there be mistrust or doubts, or suspicions, or vice versa, no, it's all nonsense, americans, pindos, putin above all, we are around him, around our tricolor, the kremlin and so on, and so on, what can be the reaction of society, most likely it will be different, and the question is not if a similar situation arises with... the core of the question when it will arise, what exactly it will be, because this myth is about the fact that putin and the special services control everything there and that everything is so cleaned and sterile that you can exchange your freedom, not only political, yes, in some measure economically, socially on this amphora with safety, a guarantee of what will not happen again in the bad 90s with bandits, with terrorist attacks and so on, it is not the first time that crocus has put her under enormous doubt, for the first time, i think, this question arose a year ago, when, well... a little less than a year ago, when

prigozhin's rebellion took place, he very clearly showed that this control is fictitious, it is formed only by the image of propaganda tv. crocus showed that this applies not only to the shoigu. of putin and so on, and that the victims of this uncontrollable process, which seems to be controlled and including chaos, can become any inhabitant, including the capital of the metropolis of this empire, so it seems to me that the reaction will be absolutely, well, the one that is logical, yes, they will endure there, perhaps they will endure another iteration, perhaps they will endure a second iteration, a third, but after some the next it will be a bang, that is, it will be a completely non-linear process, it will actually be... this merciless and completely thoughtless russian rebellion, which at some point some trigger will work, that this cord, it will ignite everything. look, there's something else i wanted i want to ask you, namely about the criticism of the russians, i don’t take it very well, the criticism of

the fsb, they didn’t take care of it, they didn’t finish it, you know, they didn’t take care of it in america, there are 17 special services and such budgets as the budget of the entire russian federation, and the jews did not until... watched on october 7 of last year, and the british, the french, i think, with terrorism, well , it is impossible to prevent terrorist attacks, if we talk about it, but i am interested in the national liberation contests, this criticism that is still heard today , that these are tajiks, can not the muslim peoples of russia take care of themselves after that try on... this hatred of tajiks and somehow stir up the nationally liberated, or at least give some kind of small micron message to the nationally liberated and maybe religious circumstances that are inside, inside the russian federation?

most likely, you are right, there are two aspects here: first, we are talking about the fact that even without these terrorist attacks, russian society is very xenophobic, very racist, that is, hatred for... such non-russians, non-slavs, it high, and this dichotomy russian or russian, yes, which is not accepted in many respects precisely russian ultranationalists, because they believe that russians, yes, this is an attempt to build some kind of political nation, this is wrong, everyone should be russian, both in ufa, and in kazan, and in astrakhan, and so on, and the great russian people, which of course are not this idea does not suit the buryats there, nor the sakhans, other nationalities that are there, and accordingly, this hatred that exists against the indigenous ponevos. of these peoples, she, she is already essential, but against the background of this delusion and this absurdity connected , including with the last measures, she will spread, moreover, no one is any selective or not trying to do it point by point, they said that tarak was done by four tajiks, which means that the entire tsadji people are to blame, which has a population of 10 million there and 2 million

there plus or minus the diaspora on the territory of the russian federation, moreover, these black huns and fools do not divide there the tajiks are guilty, so the uzbeks are also guilty, the tatars and beshkor are guilty. that is, it will definitely contribute to an additional crack and strengthening of this national tension, which existed a long time ago and still exists not only there in the north caucasus, but also in most other cities of the russian federation. regarding the first part of your conversation, when the fsb looked there or not, the question is not that it is really difficult to fight terrorism, because it operates outside of any rules, it operates with partisan methods, it operates at the expense of horizontal connections, the point is reactions when... this happens in france, in belgium or in the united states, society can react to it, society can punish the political force that lost the attack in the elections, society can attract heads of these special services to some kind of responsibility, be it judicial, criminal , administrative or just reputational, in the russian federation, which

tells the whole world and its population that we control everything and we have everything under control, does not allow its society to release this couple, and so this couple will go out like they always have. because of the maximum ultra-violence at the beginning of this riot, that is, you have no doubt that the riot will begin, and how rumors can affect this riot, i don't know, i don't believe it, about reproduction, return of the death penalty, the death penalty on the territory of russia, they are talking about it, but as i would say, the people who decide are not talking about it, that is, i have not heard anything not from piskov, not from... putin, but such i have the impression that even if this is what medvedev is saying, then, well, well, you should not believe him, especially those deputies of the so-called state duma who also say that the death penalty should be immediately restored, what do you say about the possibility of reproducing the death penalty practices

of the death penalty in the russian federation? in fact, it is rather about legalization, and even faster, fast. for punishment, that is, the russian regime never actually even hides the fact that it uses the elimination of its opponents, and in such very brutal methods, it can be a quick kill at best, as for... for those they especially they don't like, or who interfered with them, they send them to rot in prison, where these people are raped, they use psychological and physical violence, and in fact this death penalty stretches for 15-20 years, so this is about the type of law, yes there is recovery practice of the death penalty, they are probably now studying the ground, so it is also most likely a matter of time before this practice is returned to steel. their methods, and yes, rather everything is cumulative somewhere, it will also be the component, the puzzle element that will only bring this

boom closer, because you can deceive one person for a long time, you can deceive a small number of people for a short time, but as lincoln said, for a very long time it is very difficult to deceive everyone, in principle, the russians understand exactly this, they are just weak-willed, now samfortny, and they are not ready for any change in this lie, but since this lie already affects their private life, either they do not care, it is cynical that they are killing ukrainians, or that they are killing their own citizens there, sending them to local assaults, but when it enters their trading center in their capital metropolis, then they will, they will not, but in some time they will have to act, because this is directly their life. i thought it was theodore roosevelt, but god bless him, i'll check, maybe i'm wrong, so here it is the fact that one person can fool a lot of people in a short time, and i have one last question for you. share your thoughts about the russian orthodox church, during the upheaval that

you are talking about, it will cement or, on the contrary , break down the russian society, because everything that the russian orthodox church does, it is absolutely not orthodox, not christian and not a church, i just don't know what else to call it, please, mr. oleg, yes, i agree, as walter said about the holy roman empire, yes, which... sacred to the roman empire, it is also not the russian, not the orthodox church, it is the fifth or sixth or whatever department of the kgb, and it is necessary to look at its influence at the time of the possible bifurcation point, and actually, how it will be kgb to manage one of its departments. most likely, this will be something that will contribute to the strengthening of this division and tension, because religiously, russia is also a very multifaceted country, and the churchmen who are there are completely incorporated into the mafia, corrupt. er, bureaucratic, other schemes, they will be try to keep their property,

keep their status, that's why they are an institution after all, which has different incomes there, yes, despite this vertical, i think that different priests will trade themselves with these kgbshniks, plus it will be superimposed on the factor of other religious institutions , in particular the islamic ones, and there too, yes, they are under the control of the fsb, all these pseudo-religious leaders, so we will see a big sale, i would call it that... including regarding the religious influence on his flock, thank you very much, oleg mygaletskyi , researcher of regionalism in russia federation, co-organizer of the forum of free peoples, the post of russia was in touch with us, now advertising, then poland, in that order. lakalut fix reliably fixes, my dentist advised me, it also reduces inflammation. clear and the price is good , economical lakaka fix, a real

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call it that directly, of the poles for preferences upon joining the european community. and it primarily affected farmers, because poland is an agricultural country, well, not only, but also, and all these quotas, sales opportunities, how, when, this it has been going on for years, because the europeans also have their own market, there are also their own farmers, and if more polish farmers are brought there, they are competitors, now the ukrainian issue arises, and i have the impression that it is not a polish issue ukrainian relations or the polish elections, as we said to you, in the fall and now in the spring we will talk about the elections again, i think, but this issue is fundamental, the huge agricultural market of ukraine enters europe, and accordingly becomes a competitor, because labor is cheaper in ukraine , well, a lot of things

cheaper in ukraine, electricity is still cheaper, labor is cheaper and so on and so forth. that is, these are competitive products. how, how do you decide, do you think it is possible to solve this issue fundamentally, not ukrainian, polish, but ukrainian, european. well, actually, you've already said most of it, so what can be said about it, right? maybe i 'll add in this way, er, it 's an election issue, maybe i'll start with this, that it 's actually an election issue, so first of all, what in...

is also important from the point of view of poland, so the activity of farmers in particular and in general of all those who support them, it is also most visible in poland precisely because of this. ah, dariush , look, there are local elections on april 7, what can we expect, who will become the mayor of big cities there, who will get some local parliaments, that is, what are the trends, what are we seeing, is this right from... justice will take revenge, wo n't take revenge, but now we see, the confederation is quite conservative, the force is not pro-ukrainian, it is not strongly pro-ukrainian.

yes, i will literally take a moment from mr dariush, i would simply like to draw the attention of ukrainians to his words specifically about regional and local political forces, this is what awaits

ukraine, i hope, because this is what europeanness is all about, when there is nationwide and careless branching, there are local ones branches of nationwide parties, but there are specific local ones, and i always thought that ukraine also has specifics. of western, eastern, northern, southern, central, such and such ukraine, which really have something specific, well, let's take even galicia, where we are now we are in, it is a border area, and there are peculiar ones, it is not the kyiv region, which , well, if it borders somewhere in the north, but it seems to me that it does not border with belarus , there is chernihiv region, that is, each has its own specifics, there is odesa the region, the sea is there, this is there, it has its own specificity, it is very important. that ukraine must regionalize under all conditions, this does not mean disintegration, but it means, well, if the interests of small, conditionally small, but these are not

small people, they are ukrainians, the same as us, as well as you, as well as everyone. now the latter can question, or a group of questions, in ukraine there is such a big, big noise, such an uproar started because of this deputy minister of agriculture, who allegedly disrupted the negotiations. negotiations took place recently, which, as i understand, did not end in a great victory for ukraine, but if the ukrainians, well, looked so optimistically, cautiously optimistic, but everyone says that this deputy minister, or he is a drug addict, or he just shouted constantly, or he spoiled something, or he disrupted something, the polish press, polish society was informed about it, and who is he such in general, well, somehow what... i read, it's strange behavior, really, well, to be honest, i haven't heard about it, but i'm talking about mychała

kołodziejczaka, jaki o tak.

by the offices of deputies from the parties that are represented in the diet, and i think that i very much support it, it is very good, a very good strategy, this is how it should be done, first of all, in relation to these politicians who came to power two years ago, when they decided the issues related to farmers and the agrarian policy of the european union, now it is definitely the last issue, mr. dariush, we, we are about it talked, you talked about it. about the european parliament in general, in poland they are discussing the prospects of what the european parliament will be, who from the poles can get there, what forces will be represented there, whether it will become more conservative or more friendly to ukraine , or in short, whether it is pro-orban or pro-tusk, let's put it that way, well so far, in fact, almost no one has spoken to poland about this election, but that

's because...

we have so far according to the polls, that is, the pro-government coalition is in first place, later, later probably other parties or the confederation will also get there, it's hard, hard, hard to say that yet, sorry dariusz materniak, polish expert on international affairs, head of the poland-ukraine center, thanks for being with us, now the news, and then the united states, france . even brazil to some extent, and ukraine, of course, and now the news, congratulations, colleague, well, in this issue i will tell in particular how the actress of films for adults, the ambassador of the center for endoprosthesis josephine jackson helps ukrainian defenders, but not only about that, of course, wait.