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ukrainian pen present their own title project with myroslava barchuk. a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who analyze and comment on the most relevant social debates. what news will be analyzed by the guests of the project this week and actually, who will be the guest of the studio? we will find out already this sunday. undoubtedly, the topics will be relevant, the guests will be special. proper names with myroslava barchuk. sunday: 17:10 at espresso. premium sponsor of the national team represents united by football, together we are stronger, we continue the saturday political club program on the express television channel khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov and add. of our conversation valery chaly,

diplomat extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states in 2015 and for 19 years. mr. valery, congratulations, glory to ukraine. i congratulate you, glory to the heroes. so, we can say that ukraine switches to summer time on the night, saturday, sunday, which means that the american congress can start considering the issue of american aid again in the summer time, although we waited even in the previous summer time, by the way, yes ? so, mr. valery, what is the outlook now, by the way, the president. already even talked to the speaker of the house of representatives, does that mean anything? well, first of all, it’s good that now the ballistics alarm has just been canceled, and secondly, you are running ahead, mr. vitaly, they have not summer time, they have already introduced it, the question is easter, but easter, yes, indeed, we congratulate all our viewers who celebrate according to the catholic and protestant calendars, according to the gregorian calendar.

the celebration was with a victory, and as for the prospects that are there, well, it has not changed, just as they said that after easter they would return to this issue, that is how it remained, that is, well, formally next week, but in reality there are two scenarios, one , if it still ends with the package that is, then it will take, well, probably a week, and if it is reworked, as it is now, it is more likely to be changed to other parameters. so it's a few more weeks so this soap opera continues, instead now israel got 25 fighter jets, f-35s and a lot of needed 2.5 billion needed bombs and everything else, why am i saying this because our aid is in a package of israel and taiwan, and if the white house finds opportunities for 2.5 billion now for israel, then of course it weakens if additional. some arguments, although on the other hand

there is a group of congressmen who are just, strangely enough, it will sound, such leftists who are just did not want to support help. israel, so it is difficult to say how it will turn out, but that we are unlikely to get it in the coming days, that is already certain. mr. valerie, is speaker johnson really the main obstacle right now in actually getting us help from us, american help, and do you believe that the workarounds with all those petitions from congressmen can work, the main obstacle is completely different, it started in october last year. and frankly speaking, i cannot understand what it is connected with, what roles were played by whom. it a half-year pause, which gave the enemy of russia the opportunity to attack now as much as possible in the absence of these weapons, which we very much need, and in principle, i would not

actually separate, as johnson always did, i also did it and even helped organize meetings with him. in order to convince him, but now it is no longer a question of jones, johnson, the republicans of the white house , it is the position of the united states, and all of us should be less concerned about internal issues, we are concerned about the consistency of the position stated by the president of the united states, joseph biden, about the need for maximum assistance to ukraine , and i proceed from this, that is, if this or that country, even such as the usa, cannot... fulfill its promises, then, unfortunately, these are also our problems, of course, but they are caused by internal the situation in the states themselves, i think that this pause has already been so long that it weakens the position of both the united states in the world and the current administration directly, as far as

it is understood in washington, what do you think, whether it might just be in the interests of at least that part of the american establishment, which bets on donald's victory. trump in the november presidential election of the united states? i think that's hardly appropriate right now, because in principle no one wants the candidates to have a weak position of the united states. if donald trump really did use it against joseph biden before, now the situation looks a bit different, and he has also changed his rhetoric, he already allows this help in the case of a credit or loan, that is, a return to the idea. visa that was offered at the time republicans with increased control over the supply of these weapons, and which was not really supported by the white house, publicly declaring maximum support, even joseph biden, personally, on may 9 of last year, on the 22nd,

sorry, 202nd year, he came out and said that otlandlease and it is very a powerful force, as a result, the democrats themselves gave up on him, so when... they ask me, the republicans are holding back, i would, you know, knowing the situation more deeply, i would say, everything was accumulating here from different sides, and now we have all- after all, it is a possibility opens because the budget has already been adopted by the united states, which was really a deterrent, it was possible to simply allocate aid to ukraine in the general budget of the united states and everything, and not propose the way they went, this is... a wrong way, it was possible not to refuse lendlease , which could become a certain argument in these negotiations, but everyone did it differently, and as a result, because of the inflated expectations from the current administration, such an ultimatum position led to

the ultimatum position of the other side, and now we already have the issue of ukraine in the election race, and here both opportunities are opening and risks are growing, this is the situation. and tell me, mr. valery, did you see the interview of president zelensky, the american media, now in the united states these messages are being discussed, how effective are they, i would say, from the point of view of understanding the american elite, ukrainian anxieties, regarding the insufficient number of weapons, regarding the possibility of losing new territories, etc.? these alarms are much less than in europe, for obvious reasons, the distant location of the combined and this position, what they can lose in their other important national interests, it does not just reach ordinary citizens, well , thanking the ambassador of taiwan, he recently said that if there are no weapons for ukraine now,

then china is getting stronger, and that is the question china is getting stronger, it somehow comes more to the americans, because the americans are fine... they ask where the threat of the second world war came from, it came to them not from the east, or rather not from, well, not from the east, but from the west coast, that is, actually from territories china is closer on that side and therefore them this line is the first line, well, it is not a line of defense , but they consider it as their strategic line, it is precisely the line along the olyaud islands, further down to taiwan, further down to japan, malaysia, father, this line is close to china, by the way, kyreya and and well, vietnam was not included in this zone, was not included in this zone and is not included. therefore , it is more understandable for them such threats, which historically have been more noted, but on the other hand,

the role of the media plays a lot, and the american media, well, really on our side, that is , they constantly raise this problem, well even those who are right-wing, radical right, whether they are conservative or not, they also attract attention, so that, in principle , us citizens support zmi. are not being discussed in the same way, perhaps so actively, it is now against the background of the middle east, but nevertheless it is, that is why the address of president zelensky, if it were more so already to the citizens, is the right address, absolutely, i support it, you see, i am talking about those in the same words, but it no longer makes such an impression as it did in the 22nd year from the president of ukraine, then it really was such a direct, one could say influence on the citizens of america. that the current administration didn't even really like it, so

it has to be done, it has to be done directly to the americans now, because the elections and every politician is really thinking here about the elections, and if there is pressure from the citizens, letters, appeals to congress, to congressmen, to their , this is a very important toolkit now. mr. valery, what is the current situation with the previous ratings? trump and biden, several studies indicate that, in principle, the current american president in some even in key states ahead of his opponent, does this give, well, certain grounds to believe that the situation in the fall of the current year will turn out in favor of the democrats? in general, no one can predict where it will turn out, now according to the voters, they have already received...

and confidence, if he dared to invite ukraine. er, a political invitation to nato, not membership, but at least an invitation, and this is also an issue that should be raised, recently at the kyiv security forum , this was discussed with the head of the military committee nato, here is the position , and by the way, ukraine has officially declared that the us position is key, it is the us that is holding back this decision, so we need not only weapons, now, for which we are grateful, what the americans provide, even without a package, they are everything - still 300 million for... and they continue to help, but i also understand the statement of president zelensky, when we really

say that weapons must arrive on time, because if they did not arrive when needed, then these needs increase many times over , to stop the enemy, so i very i hope that in the coming weeks and months there will be some kind of concentrated supply and aid to ukraine, so far, so far there are no calls in the press. in russia , it definitely does not contribute to the rapprochement of peace, and we feel it, but i will say that you know, well, this is not the first wave, maybe they have some thoughts of their own inside there, some secret ones, that they want to do in such a way that the main opportunities of ukraine appeared just for the period when there will be votes, well, voting already, maybe, and then, i hope so, this is not information, no, it's just so logical. that now the current administration could concentrate it precisely on this period, well, once again donald

trump, he should not be perceived as a person who is the only one there, blocking all aid, this is not so, but nevertheless, his position is indeed, especially regarding speaker johnson, it has a very serious impact on the situation, so i emphasize again, it is time to address the american people. mr. valery, well, now we see a lot and quite different types of information , i would say. manifestations of what is russian the federation may be preparing for a truly broad attack on ukraine, the economist and the times wrote about it, and actually, i think that the american media also come to this and there is no doubt about it, but this is an appeal to the american people

, sometimes i think about the fact that the level of aid to our country was already so high that... americans, well, they simply will not allow to stop supporting ukraine, well, that is , to help so much that then simply stop, it looks quite strange, on the other hand we see the experience of afghanistan and the conclusion american troops from this country during the presidency, by the way, of joseph biden. therefore , in your opinion, will this appeal to the american people work, or will it become precautionary. that the administration of biden or any new president does not take a step back on us? well , we don't need to rush ahead with such pessimistic scenarios, because now the americans ' official position has not changed, it concerns the de-occupation of the territory of ukraine and

maximum aid, well, as they say, as much as it is necessary, it has not changed, this is the first, the second, we are talking about two simply two scenarios: defensive scenarios, they help us and will help us. we are talking about scenarios that will allow ukraine to quickly take decisive steps to de-occupy the territories. well, that is, in short, this, several hundred missiles and atakams up to 300 km, which can then pull some additional european structures of the system, then several squadrons, 3-4 squadrons of f-16, that is , already in the summer, and not later. and basically this one the package that will be voted on, i think it will still be used, that is, all this will give an opportunity for such an attempt to change the situation, now regarding all those press that write about the russian offensive there, you know, i have no information, if the leader, what russia is preparing, i don't have such closed

sources, i also see it all, i can also sit and tell. different schemes, but when i hear the same people who there, well, warned us, about large-scale parties, i believe them, but if i see some articles with such bright headlines, kyiv will fall there again can it be there, then i read the text, there is no such thing in this article in the times, it is written simply as a call, rather to the mobilization of the usa, to support us, that there is such a danger and... well , i think that it is normal, now it will work better there in europe, especially whether we will reassure everyone, this is the first thing, in our country, well, i think that somehow we need to find ways to inform the population, because people are really nervous, there are really incomprehensible activities on the borders, and the sumy region , and chernihivska, are permanent in kharkiv, well, you

you see, in different places no one knows how the scenarios will develop, so it is clear that this is a war. but we need to find our internal means of communication to somehow orient ourselves correctly in relation to the further development of events. i, for example , do not see from my experience that the statements that are now being made about the fatal consequences of this year and that putin will launch a counteroffensive there and capture kyiv, i , well, honestly, i do not see how this can be done in these new conditions. but at the same time i see that we really have a question. arrangement of the second, the third line of defense, we have the issue of the internal mood of society, it is not in the best shape now, and here really, as you can see, there are a lot of perturbations, then there is a personnel decision, someone is moving somewhere, but

we have not yet experienced such serious institutional changes we see, that's why the time has come to use all the country's resources. now, if it is in the parliament, i say everyone , that is, if we delay this, if we divide society, here i am the government, and there the opposition sits, there is civil society, which must be controlled, and here we will solve everything, this is how we can finish the game, so now the task of the ukrainian government of president zelenskyy is not only to rearrange some pawns here and there on the board, but we have to think about how to protect the king, let's say, yes, if we are talking about the head of state, and this can only be done the advantage of additional figures, therefore, it seems to me, an underestimation in this regard of internal threats. and the internal situation, there are 10,000 handcuffs that the police are planning to buy, i don't know which ones, for what purpose at all, i don't think it's necessary

explain to people right away what you are doing , why, how, different opinions immediately start here, that is why now the unity of society, the production of weapons, the military industry on industrial rails, what is being done, and one thing, i do not touch mobilization, i do not want to. this is a separate issue, but i just want to say one thing, the option of a long-term war of attrition is not for ukraine, it is only for collective defense, if they want attrition, if they don’t want threats, well, we understand that, we need it today, and don’t ignore them all moments with missiles to poland, exhibit joint air defense system over the border, nato must also wake up, like european countries, that is, in principle, nothing of the sort... anything new is happening, but the pressure is serious in the coming months, i think the country will have opportunities, but now it must be endured. thank you, thank you, valery

chaliyt, a diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, was in touch with us, now to the near east, to the terrorist danger. ihor simyvalos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, congratulations mr. ihor. congratulations, congratulations, colleagues. well after the terrorist act in... in krasnogorsk, in the crocos city hall concert center near moscow, there were a lot of conspiracy theories, including from president putin, he turned out to be the main conspiracy theorist these days, but we can say that we are aware of the fact that this is this is a classic terrorist act carried out by the islamic state of khorasan, and what kind of organization is it, why is it capable of carrying out such serious terrorist attacks, because it is associated not only with this story, but also with the terrorist attacks at the kabul airport and with terrorist attacks. there near the russian embassy in afghanistan and, by the way, with the terrorist act near the grave of general suleimani in iran, where many high-ranking representatives of the islamic revolution guards corps were killed, as well as the numerous

bombings of mosques in kabul and other cities of afghanistan, that is, it can practically be said that this organization launched a fairly active terrorist activities in afghanistan, and unlike the taliban, which limits its... activities to the borders of afghanistan, it has no borders, they are actively working in central asian diasporas on the territory afghanistan, that is, the actual population, tajiks and uzbeks, and they also see their, their expansion further, actually within the framework of this historical great harasan, and this organization arises in the 14th year in the frame. in fact, just as the islamic state rises institutionally, and in this case it does not arise in an empty place, but relatively speaking, it is a part

of al-qaeda, which simply swears an oath to the new caliph, and then it was in baghdad, and accordingly, they aim to form this a great islamic state, according to hadiths and... sunnah of the prophet and the like, and what is here , if we talk about this terrorist attack, yes, without a doubt, if it quacks and has wings, then it is a duck, yes, and in this case there is no doubt that it was a terrorist attack this terrorist organization, especially since the warnings were given in advance, especially since , in principle, well, the special services of at least several western countries received such information through communication channels, uh, and mr. igor, please tell me whether just after this terrorist attack happened in crocus city hall,

many ukrainian analysts noted that for such an organization as idilka, even more , let's say so, even more than the western world, so collective, they hate, so to speak, wrong muslims, and precisely the support of... russia for the taliban, the support and good friendship of the russian federation with iran , support of proxy armies, in particular iranian ones. this is what catalyzed these terrorist attacks, which may continue in the russian federation, because i dilka announces exactly that. that is, in fact, russia underestimated whether these were internal misunderstandings or not. i don't know how to even call it internal confrontations in the muslim world and different readings, in general, religions and islam, well, i think, russia actively used these

different readings. yes, and active cooperation with the shiites , so just the classic answer, well , in general, in the ukrainian interpretation, i would say idil ha, rather, yes, because this is just an english bureaucracy, you know, yes, of course, the number of muslims who died at the hands of the islamic state, there is no comparison with representatives of other ethnic groups. and most terrorist attacks and hostilities take place in the middle east, we can mention here the war in syria and iraq, and the terror introduced by the militants of the islamic state in these occupied territories, well, we have already mentioned here the terrorist attacks against the shiites, and the war against the taliban, that is, in fact, they are extreme...

islamist a structure that does not see any compromises in front of it, and does not want any compromises, that is, they mobilize their supporters on this and believe that this is the only correct, correct option, and even alkaida is against this background they look like kindergarteners, although they objectively come from al-qaeda, ugh, but tell me, mr. igor, in principle... how serious is the danger of terrorist actions in russia in the future, are they able to somehow respond to this situation now? yes, i think that the danger is real, yes, and i think that this organization will at least try to carry out terrorist acts in order to confirm its, and its, right to act as a terrorist attack.

in the crocus, and since i think that they were taken by surprise by the russians' assertion that that it was done by someone else, there ukrainians or somewhere else, americans, britain, and not the islamic state, that is, they were, frankly, somewhat surprised, i think that the statements that were made, they just indicate that the terrorist attacks there will be, and the following ones, although this... may be part of such a raising of stakes, a game of raising stakes, and what is also important to note here is that recently we have seen how relations between the taliban and moscow are developing, and precisely the key issue of the security of the central asia, security is not the spread of islamism, and it takes its place there part of the time, so around that...

cooperation will continue, but the russians will have to reorient their intelligence services again, now once again, yes, and it will be much more difficult than it was back in, say, the 1990s when they were able to create a more or less effective security system to counter islamism, but then these were specific challenges associated with the northern caucasus. for the most part, the situation is much worse now, given the large number of gaystar-baiters that russians can't live without, and what we see now on the streets of russian cities, the growth of xenophobia, attacks, everything else, this can also actualize the desire for revenge in some of these gazderbeiters, it also became known that in

may he will pay a visit to the united states... recep tayyip erdogan, the turkish president. what should you expect from this visit? after all, if i'm not mistaken, the presidents mostly talked recently on the sidelines of some international events they attended, and of course on the phone . well, i think that recep tayyip erdogan needs a certain reset of relations with states, although, i think, they can ... take a break, but i see that he wants to go there already at the peak, that is, his political power, now the important thing is the local elections, and that is to win the big cities in the opposition, and relying on you can go for it already, well, since he has already said that this is his deadline, and he will no longer run for president, that is, now he can think about

the eternal, about the future, about... this state of relations is turkish.