in the third, as they say, they are beating near the streak, so what is wrong, well, look , first of all, if we are talking about the countermeasure with the kamikanza drone, then it is a much easier target, first of all, because it has a smaller target , which, as a rule, does not exceed 120-150 km on one side, on the other side it is quite visible, that is, in principle , these so-called mobile anti-aircraft units... they use the corresponding or paired machine guns and actually use such small arms to destroy these targets , which in principle is very difficult, and sometimes even it is impossible to do with other types of missiles, first of all it is clear ballistically , we are not talking about cruise missiles at all, there were only a few confirmed facts when it was possible to destroy cruise missiles with such means, here, but still, if we are talking about cruise missiles in particular, then the main means of running...

destruction is air defense systems, as a rule, these are either object systems, or these are directly already medium and long-range systems, that is, it is either the soviet s-300 complexes, or already modern complexes such as the patriot , nasams or samp. here. of course, if we talk about countermeasures with such means against the corresponding types of enemy missiles, then the key feature is to understand that covering the entire territory of ukraine with such countermeasures in principle. is an impossible task, because no country in the world has such a large number of air defense systems, and then the decision is made, the so-called echeloned air defense system is formed, when certain e critical infrastructure facilities, certain e cities, which of course are usually located closer to the enemy and of course, they can become more often the target of the enemy, this leads to the fact that the air defense system, in fact, is not uniform throughout the territory of ukraine, and of course in which zones... or in the sectors of responsibility

, the probability of destroying this or that threat, that is, a ballistic missile or the missile is significantly higher, in other places, of course, it is significantly lower, that is, if the enemy passes through several lines of such a crazy air defense system, and why exactly the attacks take place, as a rule, such a complex a simultaneous drone missile for a missile, this is precisely to help the missiles to pass such an air defense system in the first place and so that the missile... is not shot down, because it is much easier to destroy single targets or targets that are actually flying there on their own or not there in the group, mr. bohdan, but look, you are actually the third strike, and accordingly, well, it would be possible to somehow take into account after the first strike and somehow block it, that is, as you say , you can deploy certain areas, and from the second sides this moment...

our neighbors the poles raise f16 twice already, not twice, then more than once, they raise it twice exactly when they hit the streak, i mean, and what prevents them, it is enough in my opinion, in volume works just missiles, air air to destroy cruise missiles, here and who will know, as they say, raised, destroyed and closed, see, the first question, in order to destroy such targets... even in the border territories, we remember like a missile that recently flew over the territory of poland, and in fact the polish air force did not destroyed, actually allowed them to fly peacefully on the territory of poland, this is primarily due to the need for certain intergovernmental agreements, adopted relevant procedures and work regulations for joint coordination, i.e. in order to carry out such destroyed missiles not only, for example on territories of ukraine, even in border areas.

some territories still need to work out and have such international agreements on the one hand, which will determine how and what the responsibilities of each party are to ensure the coordination of units, both polish and ukrainian, so that they actually do not interfere with each other during such destruction of a missile, and of course, in the event that this missile falls on some civilian or other objects, so that it is understood who will bear what responsibility and to what extent , to date , unfortunately, it is not known what kind of agreements or arrangements there are, and this , of course, makes it impossible not only to destroy enemy targets on the territory of ukraine, but in principle, it makes it impossible to destroy enemy goals even in border settlements, both from the polish side and from the ukrainian side. here, at the same time, if we are talking specifically about the use of aviation to counter this or that missile, then it is clear that aviation specifically against cruise missiles is one of the components that is used, including ukraine, and... during the 22nd ,

23rd year, and this year uses aviation to counter, including cruise missiles, of course, one or another target, they can be quite difficult to determine, because cruise missiles. except rocket that can fly along a difficult route, it also usually flies at a low altitude, from the ground there from 50 to 150 mrs, and we understand that mountains are not an obstacle, because very often the inhabitants of transcarpathia and eventually on in bukovyna, in prykarpattia, they say , we are far away, everything is fine here, nothing will happen, but this night there was actually a report, firstly, that rockets were moving along new routes, and nadvirna, yaremche, this was the first time, and there was a report that from... there is a really serious threat to transcarpathia, that is, it is not when could be rising and all of ukraine is red, but actually the monitoring channels reported that this is the direction of movement, can we talk about the fact that now they can expand this geography, and actually, well, nothing stops it,

no geographical, relief nuances. yes, look, first of all, if we are talking about the use of such types of weapons, then these restrictions did not exist before. of course, if we are talking about overcoming such a rather complex geographical object as horist and the terrain, this can lead to the need, at least, to fly at a higher altitude than where the missile can fly unnoticed, and this can reveal precisely what makes the detection of this missile more likely, including the use of an air defense system to destroy it, that is why, of course, we did not see it before such active use of such... weapons, for example, including in the transcarpathian region, at the same time we must understand that the enemy, as a rule, operates with those goals that are, in principle , the main or priority for him, that is, in principle there was a sufficiently large number of villages and on,

in principle , in the central and western regions of ukraine in order not to use such more complicated flight routes there, but we must... understand that it is enough for the enemy to have sufficiently detailed aviation maps in order to to build routes, including for launching strikes on objects on the territory of the transcarpathian region. mr. bohdan, and this bomb that you used in sumy oblast weighs one and a half tons, plus it is a thermobaric version, that is , we know that on approach to the ground certain actions take place, i.e. it is such a cloud that then burns out during you. and creates a bigger detonation than just an ordinary explosive, it's still such an old development , it's just that they rearranged it, it was a trial version or just the only one that we know of, and how much good they

have left in quotation marks, well, look, so to speak, starting from the end, how many such goods are left, unfortunately, there are many different types of such goods in the russian federation. in addition, if we are talking specifically about thermobaric ammunition, here, that is, these are certain ammunitions, which , for example, are used in heavy flame-throwing systems, such as tos-1, tos-2, eh, here, that is, this is actually the production of such means by them, it exists, here, and it was not damaged or destroyed , that is, they can continue to produce such weapons in the future, if we talk about such thermobaric ammunition, then the key task for such ammunition is not so much to burn out some... surface, but in first of all, the destruction of buildings and infrastructure, because during this thermobaric explosion, in fact, it works like a small vacuum bomb, and it has quite serious consequences in terms of the destruction of buildings, that is, it actually breaks down doors, breaks down walls, and buildings

collapse, that is, they launch this and that the odap 1500, that's the ugly name, just like the cabs, they're launched from the same... the same planes, yeah, look, if you're talking about the launch platform, it 's been known for sure that planes can be used to date , that is, this or su-34y, su-35-y, or, for example, su-24-y, that is, which can carry heavy ammunition, at the same time, if we talk about the use of this special kit, that is, it can theoretically be used to launch from ground launchers , for example, such as sme systems , that is, in fact, in addition to the wings and the control kit, such a launch engine is additionally added to the aerial bomb itself, which allows it to be used from a ground launcher at a short distance and at greater distances, that is, up to 70-80 km, to be used from an aircraft platform, at the same time

, there have been no confirmed cases of use from the ground platform to date. and in kharkiv another, another flew, another aerial bomb in the mpb d-30s and in fact. experts say that basically it's a test, it's a modernized, updated, very powerful bomb, very powerful munition, that means they're now... constantly improving it with everything they have and can with even more powerful bombs and even more damage should we bring but look, historically, any war, as a rule is always a platform for modernization and improvement of existing weapons, including taking into account, relatively speaking, modern new requirements, challenges, as well as means of defeat and countermeasures, so it is clear that the russian federation is not standing still, it uses e.. . all available information and experience gained in order to make their weapons more effective and even more sinister, on the other

hand, if we talk about such ammunition, then we still return to this story that, in addition to the wings themselves, in order to such a heavy munition of 1.5 tons to be delivered to a specific city or another, in addition , this cruise engine is already used , which is right, as a rule, in principle, it resembles the engine there to the system or... hail or to the system, including for example, the hurricane, when it actually converts an ordinary bomb into a kind of reactive, controlled, very dangerous, very powerful ammunition. ugh. mr. bohdan, thank you for the detailed and professional analysis, bohdan dolin is an aviation expert, manager of the aviation sector. by the way, we are only talking about the threat from they were talking about it, it was already announced 4 minutes ago. in the south of ukraine, it is so large-scale that it was also in

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can actually be one donation, it can be 10, can be 20, important. so that just the necessary amount accumulates on the account, and we will inform about when we finish collecting, throughout the territory in the south of ukraine, partly also in the east , an air alert has been announced and the air force reports that it is a ballistic threat, meanwhile emergency power outages were conducted in odesa and nearby areas, even electric transport does not run in odesa, they promised that with... instead of trolleybuses , instead of trams, instead of all this transport, additional buses will be provided, all connected with the previous shelling of the russians, as a result of which energy facilities were also damaged. now we will talk about e, which is actually partially related to i war, and the restoration of the country after the war,

we will talk about demining, we will talk about neutralization of various. of explosive objects, we are in touch with anton semenov, director of the center of disposal of explosive objects and reclamation, mr. anton, i congratulate you, and good morning, colleagues, eh, can you briefly describe in general what our country looks like today, we already for a long time, since a year and a half since the liberation of large areas of kherson oblast, kharkiv oblast, sumy oblast, kyiv oblast, we have been demining of all these territories and... there are constantly new and new elements, but additionally something new comes and stays, there were calculations that it would take 700 or more years, how long it will take to make the entire territory of our country safe, that is, to clean it from all that, as you can see, is it possible to make at least those places where people are safer in the near future,

and thanks for the question, from the point of view of ... need a lot a lot of time, because currently ukraine is the most mined country in the world, and the russian occupying forces use a lot of ammunition, mines, sub-munitions, explosive objects, improvised explosive objects with... with a change in their technical characteristics, that is, they recycle them and so on another thing, regarding the speed of demining, i can say the following that it can be speeded up, perhaps, by using heavy equipment for demining, for example, in the kharkiv region, an arm tract is used

400, this is, let's say, a well-proven technique, which in one day, in one day, in fact, a worker can safely clear mines of up to 3 hectares of land, and from the point of view of demining , it is quite effective, and if i'm not mistaken, it is up to 35 cm in depth the depth , that is, destroys almost all on'. and what kind of new thing is this, such new balls, shrapnel, bombs, very similar to small balls of silver color, they can... also interest children, which is especially dangerous, and warn the emergency workers who appear they are very often, especially along the borders, yes

, yes, yes, i understand what you are talking about , you say, we are showing leprosy now, yes, yes, these are submunitions, yes, these are submunitions from the shab05 aerial bomb, here, ah, one such ball , i would say so, it weighs about 400. but it has a lot of debris inside it, that's how to say, one of the biggest dangers that it carries is that when they are dropped by means of remote mines , that is, with this bomb, yes, plus or minus 30% do not explode, so they just lie there. on the ground, in the ground, they those, you know, silver ones, they, you rightly said, that children can notice, because they shine in the sun and so on, look,

don't touch them in any way, you don't need to, if someone finds such a, well, dangerous find, it's better don't even approach, because it can detonate unexpectedly, even just from movement, here, usually a sapper. such munitions are not exported, they destroy them right on the spot, if this or that munition were to detonate, either from movement or from the fact that it was touched, what power is it, what force, what can it damage, with what force, well in fact, if we are talking about equipment, there will be no damage to equipment, if we are talking about... about a person, a person can really die, because, well, for example, if it breaks, the diameter is about 70

cm, so it will , and the gap will be almost 10 cm, that is, it is quite powerful, and this ammunition, it is used directly to destroy manpower, so they deliberately scatter it so that as many people as possible increase... civilians, those who live in at the border, just to injure or kill, so we understand well, yes, in fact, yes, you understand, for example, 70% of these munitions , they detonated immediately, well, i don't know, maybe they decided to detonate some kind of landing and some place where there are soldiers, let's say this, that's it... the area where these munitions will be scattered very large, here and there is this remainder, here is this remainder of 30%, it may be present,

for example, in places where, unfortunately, there are now civilians and children, and well, it is very dangerous, ugh, did we remember earlier i mean, especially at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, they left those diapers all over the place? even when they left vu or hirpin, from those settlements, that was all, has it already been possible to clear ukraine of those munitions? you're talking now about pemkas, yes, a very dangerous thing, it can also detonate, in fact it can detonate unpredictably, even just from, let's say, heating, building pressure inside it. mines, here, there is a very specific, specific action, this is also this mine, it also belongs to the sub-munition,

it scatters remotely, and in fact they still exist and are very common, very a lot, and i repeat once again, this is a very dangerous thing, you should not ask for it under any circumstances, try to take it in your hands somewhere... take it there, god forbid to take it apart, well, in order to neutralize all this, there are special people, who have relevant knowledge and skills and have special equipment, now i want to ask you about such innovative machines for demining airmtrack 400, in kharkiv region we know that one such machine has already started working, how it works, which area and at what speed it can be demined, that is, us again i am interested in the terms when ukrainian... will become safer for ukrainians, at least on the ground, we are not talking about the air now, well, look, that is, this technique, this tool armtrak 400.

it has a knife drum for undercutting the soil, and in fact it grinds mines in such a way that they don't even have time to work, that is, its maximum speed , the maximum speed of demining in it is 3 hectares per day, that is, 30, m2, this is if we are talking about light soil and medium vegetation. if we talk about harder soil and significant vegetation, for example, a lot of fields have not been plowed there for more than two years and there are more than 2-2.5 m, even the trees have already started to grow, here, according to the tactical and technical characteristics of this machine , it is able to process somewhere from 18 to 20

thousand. square meters, that is, from 1.8, well, 2 hectares, 2 hectares per day, or we, if we take, if we take, yes, if we take the total area mined, then, well, relatively speaking, 2.5 hectares per day, we will receive a very large number in a few days, unfortunately, we have literally two more minutes, do we also have our equipment, do we have enough of it? are they currently developing any such new machines that actually could be demined, because mostly we hear about local developments, when they improve something there, they equip something themselves, so that their farms, large fields are sown, demined, or we simply receive help from event, and we also receive help and develop our own systems, but unfortunately not as

quickly as we would like, what can i say, thanks to this brave one program, which actually helps to develop similar projects, here the developers have access there to testing grounds and so on , in fact, there are already several products that are made there and in kharkiv and kyiv, and at the end of march, somewhere in the 20s , there was testing in the kharkiv region and very these with very interesting and powerful results are currently being certified, i want to note that such developments must be certified, because you understand that this is a danger, this is an exchange, that is, this is life, we understand, thank you mr. anton for being with us and for all this information,

a warning, that you can't even get close, because the movement can detonate a lot of ammunition and even kill you. anton semenov was with us, the director of the center for disposal of explosive objects and reclamation, and we have, well, there must be some good news, and the good news is that you, it was you, closed our collection, 900 00 hryvnias are in the account, now you can safely buy a car and send it to the front, we will definitely announce our next collection in the near future. because we don't stop, and we think that, well, actually very much a good thing on sunday, on lent for a large number of people, great, thank you, an air alert has now been announced for part of the country, except for the south and east of kharkiv oblast, kharkiv oblast has already turned red, the threat of ballistic ballistic attacks is reported by the air force. more news, more important in a moment.

khrystyna parubiy will tell you, i will be back in an hour at 11:10, stay with espresso, i will tell you about the consequences of the night rocket attack in ukrainian cities in a moment, what is happening in lviv oblast and odesa, about it don't miss everything in the issue. news in the press, khrystyna porubiy works in the studio. one person was killed as a result of the morning attack by the russians in the lviv region, the enemy aimed at the same object that he had already hit during the shelling on march 24 and 29, - reported the head of the region maksym kozytskyi. there was a fire on the spot, it was promptly extinguished.