that such services are used by public servants, that at least these services are not installed on the computers and phones of public servants, the security service of ukraine, foreign intelligence, state departments of ukraine, large banks, because when large banks create their chatbots in such social networks and teach or offer citizens to put personal data there, then all this data, if the servers are located on the territory of russia and the network is not controlled or closed, has every chance of ending up in the fsb and in russian intelligence. so that all this does not happen. the ukrainian state must provide for itself and its citizens, this is what this draft law is about. why did they start talking about telegram, because telegram is the network that is most accused of non-transparency of ownership, non-transparency of technical codes, the fact that their servers are in russia, and we know that there are countries that ban telegram or have problems with telegram, it is not only telegram, there are countries where government officials are prohibited from using it tik tok, for example, in china now they ban american chips. in the computers

of government officials and even chips to keep their information out and to be prepared for the actions they want to take, so it's more of a national security law, telegram is not mentioned in any way, but obviously since 72% use telegram in ukraine, 72% receive information from there, this network was founded by a russian citizen, russian citizens work there, although he now lives in another country, but also has russian citizenship he has left, obviously, that... people who use telegram to spread this information are worried about it, if they do not break the law, obviously no one will move them, they can limit the access of state officials and the popularization of this service in the state so that there are no leaks, because if you have telegram on your phone and you give access there, for example, to your contacts and your location, then obviously the owners of this platform will have access to follow you follow if we don't have it guarantees that this... does not depend on russia, and

we see putin saying that they cooperate with telegram, during the elections , hundreds of telegram sites were blocked, which called for voting against putin. on the other hand, when the ukrainian control bodies apply, they receive primitive replies from no one knows who, and this is an absolute problem. therefore, it is a matter of national security. and what to do with the fact that we, in fact, now at the level of society use unverified news that we have. media system in the country, not only in us, in those countries where, one way or another , telegram is an important part of the information space, it is in fact an opportunity to report not news, but rumors through anonymous channels without any responsibility, well, that kind of kitchen information, it is a mixture of news, rumors, manipulations and lies, why did it arise, and why is the phenomenal popularity of the telegram in ukraine, well, on the one hand, it is talentedly written, there will be no argument about it, and when

you follow where the rockets fly there, it is obviously useful for a lot of people, but on the other hand, what happened in our country, we once had large media holdings, large media channels that always supported the government, and the government through them controlled the information space, when television began to decline, telegram appeared, then obviously the government in ukraine , in particular, began to use telegram for its propaganda, it is very convenient, because who, who is now trusted, or famous. such as you, for example, you have, you are watched on youtube, you are read on other social networks, but you cannot be ordered to tell any lies, because you have there is a reputation, you value it, in telegram you can throw one lie on a whole series of sites with unknown funding and it is very easy to spread it in order to manipulate society, and the ukrainian authorities have decided that using telegram and a single marathon, they will be able to control the majority of society, obviously there are people who... watch other sources

of information, have access to youtube or other social networks, they use other networks, but even sociology shows that the most people are here, because when you if you write to them today about a rocket flying, tomorrow you give them some pornographic video, or give them something yellow, then you give them manipulation to lie to your political competitor, then you give them true news about the activities of the ukrainian authorities, then obviously people start to believe in this whole mixture, not understanding where the truth is, and this is a huge problem. the problem here is that our government does not realize how much it uses a tool that will later be turned against it, well, this is not the first time, we once had medvedchuk channels 112, zik, remember, and they existed for a very long time, and then the previous president, including thanks to them, lost the election, although it would seem that there is no such danger, just like this telegram, which is not controlled by ukraine, will one day turned against president zelenskyi and they will destroy him, so the state should be interested, and now

... to destroy zelenskyi is to destroy the leader of our state and essentially harm its defense capability, and therefore, now more than ever, the ukrainian state must take a responsible approach to this, obviously such things are not should be if... at least we prove that this network does not communicate, no, if the national council, for example, you can contact the national council, if there is false information on youtube, the national council writes on youtube, youtube blocks this channel, and telegram does nothing like that does not do in relation to ukrainian requests, but in relation to russian ones does and closes those whom putin wants to close, but those whom the ukrainian authorities want to close for activities against ukraine, the ukrainian state during the war, nothing happens, and it continues this access to information, the pension fund is now collapsing. that they say that their telegram was hacked and something was printed there, so at the same time they call on citizens to provide them with data through this telegram itself, that is, the ukrainian state itself calls for its use, if the state will not use it, then there is freedom of speech,

let it be people think and write what they want and how they want, the ukrainian state can control it if there are slanders confirmed, but in this way we can, at least the vacanalia that exists now and lack of control, which at any... moment can be used to sow panic, for example, during a russian counteroffensive, and they are preparing for this, but so that the state can sharply stop it, this law is needed for this. by the way , if we are talking about russia's offensive actions, about all these preparations, i would also like to talk about this russian people's council, which was held by the russian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which declared a holy war in ukraine, despite the fact that russian orthodox church of moscow the patriarchate does not renounce the ukrainian orthodox church as its component. that's it, i think. the first case when the church declares a holy war in its own congregation , a jihad or whatever it is called, well, in fact , a jihad, yes, such an orthodox jihad, an orthodox chihat, of course, people who go to this church very often do not think about it in ukraine, they say, well the state does not prohibit, so it is possible, and that is why in 2022, back in

2022, i submitted a bill to ban the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, as well as its branches and related organizations in ukraine, the whole goal they had before them was... this is really to testify before the ukrainian state that they have no ties with the moscow patriarchate, with the russian orthodox church, but they do not want to do this , it seems to them that they will wait for such longings, they even allegedly criticize the cathedral, immediately there was the following message from cyril that all priests in all churches during prayer should pray for the victory of russia over ukraine, literally yesterday was this information for the first time, how vividly it was written, the government for some reason deleted it from that draft law, they submitted a general mention of the russian church, despite this, this law came to us, the government draft law, i did not want to consider it, the government draft came to the committee for humanitarian information policy , and we implemented a lot of important definitions from my law and that of my colleagues, which were signed by representatives of all factions,

into this law before the second reading, there is even a definition of the russian measure there, and if it is possible to to accept, because the committee voted for it unanimously, it was supported by the representatives of all factions represented in the committee, and the servant of the people and the european union. solidarity, we have a homeland there, and for the future of different groups and factions, everyone supported it, and i hope that it should go to the verkhovna rada as quickly as possible, you see what kind of company they deployed against the ukrainian state, all these amsterdam, who write letters, threaten deputies, even novinski there or other oligarchs, pro-russian, who defend russian the church in ukraine, how they are trying to pour a lot of slander on me, on other authors , on anyone, they pour a lot of money into it, but we are obliged to do everything to the russian church, which wants to destroy every ukrainian in ukraine was not. i wonder how the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which now believes that it is not of the moscow patriarchate , can really get out of this situation of direct, i would

say, confessional dependence, well, there are two ways: i stand on this position that we should have one orthodox church, this is the ocu, this is the church that received the tomos, because there are not ten catholic churches. or ten orthodox in other countries, in warsaw there is a law on the polish orthodox church, and even if the russian church wanted to open its parishes there, they did so only with the blessing of the metropolitan of warsaw, but this rule was not supported by the majority in our country, i am very sorry that so it happened, despite that, it is enough for the church to show and prove to specialists, relevant state services, government, to the state service for ethnopolitics, that they really broke these ties, because now all their independence rests on the letter of patriarch alexy, who, in principle... is the head of the russian orthodox church, and what they have to do with of this church, obviously , they remained in the synod, they never said that we have no relation to the russian church, they say, we, we are self-governing, but within the boundaries of this church, it is enough for them to become independent, independent

parishes, yes, with my point of view, once we let's get to the point of introducing tomos into law, but now it's enough to become independent parishes, and they can continue their activities absolutely calmly, and if they don't... break these ties, then the question arises, why should the ukrainian state provide them with houses , monasteries, churches, land, the state should immediately confiscate all of this, if this connection is with the russian church, which... wants to destroy ukraine, and its head gundyaev speaks directly about this, i say the head, because to name a spiritual person who calls for the extermination of the neighboring people there by the superior is it impossible for someone, why does the ukrainian state continue to essentially sponsor them, well, this is at such an important moment, in principle, this is again the same story as with telegram, as it seems to me, if most people consume a certain resource , he can use these people as a tool, the same thing happens with the church, if people go to churches, if there are no transitions to the orthodox church of ukraine,

these people also become a kind of tool in this story, of course therefore service of security of ukraine, in her letter to the head of our committee, mr. potoraeva, directly said that this church poses a threat to the national security of ukraine. but you know, public awareness, unfortunately, comes late. i remember how they fought with me when i banned the showing of russian films and series in the 16th year, banned, initiated the law, the verkhovna rada supported it, and ukrainian television before that. it was different, there were gangster petersburgs, dead people and everything else. then we fought for a long time for the law on the ukrainian language, accepted as much as possible fought, how many tried to destroy something, but what is happening now? you walk around kyiv and hear ukrainian much more often than it used to be. ukrainian theaters are full. ukrainian books are being sold and new bookstores are opening only because we have closed ourselves off from the russian measure and do not bring russian books here. the same should happen with the church. this awareness just has to come. rather because of the war, because you could turn a blind eye to something, and obviously this turning a blind eye was absolutely criminal, but

it was possible to turn a blind eye to this and wait until this church continues its hostile activities, the sbu usually fights with them, it summoned 70 or 100 priests to itself, and there are tens of thousands of them, what to do with this essentially russian guard inside ukraine ? there is also such an important question, how much, in principle , is this international company now... on the reputation of ukraine in the west, how much does the public in the western countries generally perceive these efforts today differently than efforts to destroy some libertarian church organization there, this is very important , because, unfortunately, we do not run this promotion and advocacy company for the protection of ukraine, because it is also part of national security, you understand who is talking about it, politicians who are bought by the russians are talking about it, this network of medvedchuk was exposed in the czech republic , and yesterday the czech republic imposed sanctions on... her, but she worked all over europe, bribing members of the european parliament, by the way, encouraging everyone

to switch to telegram in other messengers, few people write about this in our country, but here was an article in a well-known social democratic to an extremely popular hungarian newspaper, which directly says this among other things, and that is precisely why we, ukrainian parliamentarians, must go to the west, to the western parliaments, to explain this, ukrainian government officials, ukrainian public activists must... explain this and the state must stimulate, send people there and explain what is happening in our country, authoritative people with status, who will be invited to the media, with whom politicians will meet, and the ukrainian state believes that in our country everything is decided by one person who is authorized to do something to do, well, at least five people, bezugla even submitted a draft law stating that no one should claim the status of a state, including an olympic champion who represents ukraine or some athlete, and this is also a huge mistake, that's why i'm working. in the opposition, you know, i obviously criticize the government , but i understand that the danger from

russia, due to our lack of quality information policy, is equally harmful to the opposition and the government, i am just trying to reach the government so that they hear the absurdity the situation they built hoping that in a month or two there will be elections, and there will be no elections during the war, we should, on the contrary, unite and together do everything to defeat this russian hydra, thank you mr. mykola for this conversation, we spoke with the people's deputy of ukraine. mykola knyazhytsky and about the situation , which today is quite resonant, about the law related to the regulation of internet messengers, and now it is not messengers, it is internet service providers, because messengers are a signal, for example, where there is no news, no one regulates, but those who provides news on its platforms, but these should be regulated. thank you, we will now continue our program and watch with you. conversations with the speaker of the estonian parliament lowry hausar, who was in kyiv at the head of a parliamentary delegation, talked with

representatives of the ukrainian leadership about how the west should continue to help ukraine, what role the baltic countries of estonia can play in this. we spoke with the speaker at the estonian embassy in ukraine, now you will see this conversation. welcome to ukraine. 10 years ago, when the baltic countries joined to nato, many believed that it was already such an absolute iron guarantee of security that not even estonia. nor the neighboring countries are under any threat from russia, now we see that many say that the baltic countries can become new targets of russia in the event that ukraine fails to resist, why are there such fears, why is there no faith in the fifth station of nato ? thank you very much for your question, i am

very pleased to be here in ukraine and see the current state of affairs, as well as your efforts in the struggle. with russian aggression. of course, nato's collective defense has always been a cornerstone the stone of the alliance. this year we celebrate the 75th anniversary of nato. nato was created in 1949 , the same year that the soviet union carried out operation surf, which resulted in the mass deportation of estonians, tova people to siberia, more than 20,000 indigenous people were taken to siberia at the same time that nato was created, among them were many women and children, and many never returned to their homeland, this cannot be forgotten, the threat coming from russia and

how all this can affect other countries. therefore, when 20 years ago we had possibility to join nato. we saw this as a guarantee that russia would never again be able to occupy estonia or the baltic states. will not act as she did in the past. however, we were aware of her style and capabilities. we knew we couldn't rely on our allies alone. therefore, they constantly worked on

building up their own defense capabilities. the aggression it launched on estonia's independence day two years ago, on february 24 , after russia's hostile actions against ukraine, we increased our defense budget to 3.2% of gdp. we aim to save or even

increase this budget further. this demonstrates our commitment to developing our defense capabilities and working closely with allies to ensure estonia's security. the war in ukraine, it is important to understand that it is not only about protecting the sovereignty of ukraine.

i want to emphasize that estonia stands in solidarity with ukraine. we are also deeply moved by your people's loyal support for this struggle. estonia is the biggest supporter of ukraine in terms of military aid per capita. we have already allocated 1.4 of our gdp, and starting this year we will allocate 0.20. 5% of our annual gdp for military aid to ukraine until 2028 , the total amount we will allocate to ukraine will be one billion

200 million euros. for such a small country as estonia with a population of only 1,300,000 people, this is a huge support. what you are talking about now are these attitudes and understanding in estonian society, which could be observed after many years of fasting. i remember how i met with president lenardomeri, immediately after the signing of the agreement on the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of estonia, and linenerd told me then that this was the main event of his life, even more than the declaration of the restoration of estonia's independence, but i thought then that in ukraine such an understanding of danger was not in principle among the vast majority of citizens, and now we see that... .has a sense of danger among the majority of people living in the west, in germany, in france, eventually in the united states, no one feels this threat of changing the world order, which is

actually what putin is trying to achieve. how to change this attitude towards reality. i totally agree with you. i completely agree with you and share the thoughts of president lennart meri. regarding the imminent threat from russia as long as its troops remain on the territory of the country. we have witnessed this threat in various countries where russian troops remained, often resulting in conflict, so it was vital for us to get rid of russian troops.

after russian troops left estonia, we had a small window of opportunity to integrate into europe, both in the european union and in... we took advantage of every opportunity during that window, and i i believe that estonia's development over the past 30 years has been a huge success thanks to the right decisions we have made. in the current situation, when the western world has been attacked, and russia has openly declared its opposition not only to ukraine, but also to the entire democratic western world. this makes

a compelling case for anyone to recognize the real problem we face. namely, tyranny and evil. our task is to constantly explain the threats posed by russia, to articulate: what we are dealing with and what consequences it may lead to inactivity in support of ukraine.

although i partially disagree with the idea that some countries in the western world do not understand the situation. i believe that the understanding of the urgent is still growing. although domestic politics can sometimes overshadow the aid process, the will to help is there. for example, during my recent visit to germany. i had a lengthy discussion with the president of the german bundestag. and we both agreed on the importance of doing what we could to

help. ukraine, we also agreed with the need to provide ukraine with modern equipment. as for the current discussions, there is hope on the horizon. negotiations on the provision of taurus missiles are still ongoing. and in the congress of the united states, there is a positive trend regarding the adoption of the aid package for ukraine. it is very important for all of us to recognize the problem that russia is creating, to join the dialogue and to convince each other of the importance of supporting ukraine. recently, during a meeting with speaker mike johnson, we discussed the urgency of continuing to support ukraine. in the us congress

there is significant interest in decision-making regarding the aid package for ukraine. and together with speaker ruslan stefanchuk, we initiated efforts. to send a joint letter from european speakers to mike johnson calling for action. according to the latest signals, there is optimism that

the vote can take place. already in the coming weeks, does estonia feel more secure now that your neighbors, finland and sweden, joined nato, and did you feel threatened by how complicated and long the process of their accession. last week i sent a letter to one of my swedish colleagues. in which he congratulated sweden on joining nato as the 32nd member. i expressed my sincere joy about this event as well. because with the accession of finland and sweden to nato, the baltic sea practically became an internal sea of ​​nato. this means deepening defense

cooperation within the alliance, which frees us from vulnerability through the suval corridor, which is located between kaliningrad and russia. now we have much more at our disposal strategic opportunities. which strengthens our defense capability. finland is a historically neutral country that has always maintained a high defense capability, making a significant contribution to collective security. sweden's stupa adds new capabilities to collective defense systems. even

more, strengthening the alliance. this extension provides an additional level of security and guarantees for all member countries. so, i believe that this cooperation brought us to a new, improved level of cooperation within nato. we very much hope that the expansion of nato will not end there, and here the question what we should expect from the nato summit in washington and why. then strive, what can we still achieve? first of all, i want to recall the previous summit in vilnius. i am proud that during this event we made significant efforts to reach a possible agreement on ukraine's membership in nato. although the resolution is free.