we must unite and we must unite around the armed forces, and i say once again, i supported general zaluzhnyi, i supported the entire team from zhenya maisyuk to mykhailo zabrodskyi, and in the same way now i will support both general syrskyi and general barkilievych, and the commanders, i have known her since the 14th year, all of them, these are all people who received both awards and... ranks from me, and i know that they are capable of fulfilling the task, but we must stop trying to involve them in politics. it must be said that the supreme commander-in-chief should be responsible for what the commander -in-chief of the armed forces should be responsible for, what the parliament should be responsible for, and what the government should be responsible for, and this is the function, mission, role of the president of ukraine, who has these abilities to... demonstrate in the conditions

of the critical threat that ukraine now has. well, you are talking about a summer company for discrediting ukraine. it seems to me that the campaign to discredit ukraine is already taking place, because here is this situation, when the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, after the statements of president putin and other russian officials, accuses ukraine of because she organized a terrorist act in the step of city hol. there are others like that. will there be anything else? of course. what exactly? well, what makes the company different? about the terrorist act in crocusihol from what will happen: first, the company of the russian authorities and president putin to discredit ukraine in connection with the terrorist act of the sitiho step is exclusively internal consumption, no one in the world believes a single word of putin, despite the fact that most importantly, what putin learned as... the kgb

is to lie and deceive. this is his main specialty. i have the right to say so because it is very similar to me, the model of his behavior in covering the events in kroc city before the events of the 14th year and the terrorist attack of the russian federation on the malaysian airlines flight mh17. i want to emphasize that during the first five days in putin's official statements. yerasimov, shaigu , 23 versions of what happened to the plane were put forward , the first, that it was a transport plane that was not injured, the second, that it was shot down by a mik-29 fighter of the ukrainian armed forces, the third, that it was an attack aircraft that did not fly at all on that height, fourth, that it was a ukrainian beech, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and it even happened several years in a row. how it

ended, as a result of the brilliant work of the ukrainian team, it ended with a verdict in the hague. if you allow me to make a guess, i can say that the investigation of kroko city hall, by the way, unlike the russian federation, ukraine, it was my decision, transferred the investigation of this terrorist attack to an international investigative commission. which was led by the most affected nation, the dutch, included representatives of all the countries that were then affected. the russians categorically refused to even admit specialists in anti-terrorist activities, any foreign ones, because they are afraid of the truth, this is the verdict according to which they themselves signed all this, just as they tried to block us, the creation

of an international tribunal in the security council of the organization of the united nations pmh-17, because then the truth would emerge even at the level of the security council. therefore, i will allow myself to say that no idiotic comments, including today's the comment of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, where they demand to execute the kid there with... arrest budanov, compensate the families of the victims, everything and all this should be done by ukraine at a time when the most convincing evidence of the participation of the isil or isil in this terrorist attack was presented world, and i emphasize that putin has also demonstrated his inability to protect people, even in a totally police russian state. and now i have only one,

one question according to the versions: did putin himself organize the terrorist attack, or was it organized russian security forces, with the participation of russian security forces? did the security forces turn out to be so clumsy and such that they can do nothing but poison and kill russian oppositionists and in the same way ensure political blackmail of ukraine, so this is all nonsense, putin will not succeed , the executors will be the organizers, it will simply be, or will be the international court, or there will be gaga, and putin is simply trying to... increase attention from the development of events in the ukrainian theater of history with the holy war that the roc declared, this is also internal consumption? i think that this is very, very, very important information for us, so i ask that

each of us appreciate the importance of the step when we took away the branch in the russian federation. fsb of russia in the form of the russian orthodox church regarding its influence on events in ukraine. there is no explanation why until now the leadership of the verkhovna rada, having a ban from the president's office, does not put to a vote the determination of the status of the ukrainian branch of the russian orthodox church, none of us, there is no mention at all that anyone is forbidden to go to any church or seek your way to god, we demand only the truth, and if this church, the moscow patriarchate, is a branch of the russian church, because the world orthodox, sorry for these canonical steps, it communicates exclusively

through kirill, a war criminal, and i think that the position about the holy war should have encouraged on the contrary. the moscow church to decisive actions regarding the separation and unification of churches in ukraine. unfortunately, they swallowed this uh-uh news with gusto, and it makes even more sense that we have asap to protect the religious and humanitarian sphere from the possible influence of the kadebiy-fsb structure, which is headed by patriarch hiri. after all, how will the summer company differ from these steps, the intensity, and we have the opportunity to prepare for it qualitatively. we must understand that in the 24th year it is a completely different war, it is different not only from the 14th, 15th years, it is also different

from the 22nd year, this is the role of the rebbe, this is the role of unmanned aerial vehicles, this there is... the role of aviation, this is a radical modernization of missiles and cabs, and please, under no circumstances think that this is a hopeless case, we have tools, developments, technologies that are capable of countering both missiles and kabs, we have something to defend ourselves, the only position is that we finally have to unite our defenses'. you are the defense industry of ukraine, stop pulling the blanket over yourself, and well, for example, i want to brag, if you allow me, because six months ago it was an absolutely risky project that many called ridiculous, we invested

my first 150 million hryvnias in research super modern developments. means of the rebbe, i will not announce in advance, but you tomorrow you will see, tomorrow, because tomorrow the first batches , after combat use, after state tests, after the signing by the chief of staff, the general staff and all the brilliant results of the combat use tests, they will be on combat duty, i definitely think that... during this week you will be able to to find out, and it is not because poroshenko did it, but because the newest tools are appearing in the arsenal of the armed forces of ukraine, which are capable of protecting soldiers, protecting the front line, and my goal is that the entire

front line is up to date covered by unique reba complexes, radar stations, anti-drone complexes and... close combat complexes that allow us to protect us from the russian onslaught, it will be different, if it all works out, it will be a different war, and we will not be afraid of two components. which there are no opportunities to defend there, it is necessary to prevent planes that with three-ton drones, which destroy everything and against them , will fly close enough to launch these drones, it is necessary to eliminate the possibility of creating missile technologies, and one must eventually have a number of complexes, i.e. now, for example, there is a thorough discussion of the law on... mobilization, but i just wanted to ask if it will appear at all, firstly,

i have no doubt that it will be voted on, secondly, we need to understand what does the president want, the author of this bill, according to the constitution, should be the president, i believe that we have lost four months, when some inadequate people are just individuals who do not understand anything about mobilization. of military affairs formally proposed the author of this draft law, which was finally prevented any constructive discussion about how we can save people and ensure reliable defense of the country. because we are talking about several mobilizations. the first is military mobilization, the second is political mobilization, the third is economic mobilization. the fourth is international mobilization and all of these should be constituent parts. this, because if it is a question of the tetskashniks attacking on the streets, er, some random

passers-by, imprisoning them somewhere, all the rest started running away from that, it discredits the army and discredits the country, and this is exactly what cannot be done, because the key word should be motivation, motivation is when a person came as a volunteer, signed up, he is guaranteed by law that if he is hired, if... there are vacancies, she will serve exactly in this part in this specialty, if you are an operator of disembodied physical apparatuses, if you are an operator of slaves, if you are an engineer of construction fortifications, if you please, you are guaranteed, and you can go and not worry about what will actually happen there. second position, we should know that when a person mobilizes, she knows exactly what time she is leaving. today we supposedly reached a consensus there that

demobilization should be guaranteed after 36 months, this is a necessary component, if the law is satisfied, if the situation worsens, the president will have the right to once again make proposals and changes, but in the president. the third position is the protection of the economy, because we cannot today, the army cannot exist, if the economy does not pay. taxes, because the partners do not finance the armed forces, it is the only thing that is financed exclusively by the account tax revenues. the fifth position is the future of ukraine, youth, students, the president should declare the policy. and i emphasize once again, this is not a law on mobilization, because i called on my political strength, and we voted for the mobilization six times in a row. that was introduced by the president, if these are changes to the law, yes please, let

's discuss, and these discussions that are going on now, i really hope that they will lead to a positive decision, well, we can't, because in someone's sick head it turned out that they want to turn ukraine into a democratic one authoritarian russia, taking advantage of the martial law, to limit radically. in violation of the constitution, people's rights and all that, it is definitely and guaranteed not to make us stronger. and speaking in general about, returning to the topic of international support, you see that europe is changing its attitude to this war in a way that is better for us against the background of all these problems that exist in the united states, how important are the statements of european politicians of the last time of the president macron, about the troops or prime minister tusk, about what is happening in europe the pre-war period came. this is rhetoric, then it is some kind of call for specific actions. no , first of all, i very much congratulate france,

the french parliament, the prime minister, the president of the french republic, for the fact that he showed leadership, because i am very grateful to donald tusk, who supported these initiatives, i am very grateful to oleksandr stubunov , my friend and the newly elected president of finland, i thank the leaders of the baltic countries, the prime ministers. the president, who supported these initiatives, but the key position, the message he was trying to convey macron, and i think he succeeded, the war has entered another phase. "war directly threatens the security of every european country, both a member of the eu and a member of nato. we must move away from those psychological red lines that restrained us in previous years. i can emphasize that the experience of negotiations with france could have been successful

even earlier. i want to remind that at one time in the 14th year, when i went to see president hollande, as a result of the very first meeting, we agreed that the contract for the supply of mistral amphibious assault helicopters by the french in the amount of more than 2.5 billion euros will be canceled , by the way, these helicopter carriers would be on our heads now, imagine what happened, not now, in 2022, how the storming of odessa would have been organized, if the russians had it.. . three helicopter carriers, and it was very significant for me when i said: do you know what, what name is the second helicopter carrier that you are currently building, have built and are preparing to hand over? president olan says, no, i say, it's called sebastopol, but you show that a ship

called sebastopol storms and wins in odesa, i am very grateful for that, as well as... a huge amount of counter-battery equipment, electronic warfare equipment produced by the tales company, you can talk about it now, we supplied them quite confidentially at the time, and france also showed leadership then, but now europe has finally realized that the enemy is knocking on its door, and the decision taken by the european union, unlike the americans, where this topic has become, i will say it again... the subject of internal political struggle, is radically different. the first solution, and i am very persistent worked to make it possible. this is the ukraine facility, and it provides 50 billion euros, which allow us to survive and hold on in the conditions of delayed funding from the united states. the second position is the

peace fund, which must be, i draw your attention, spent. exclusively and only for the purchase of weapons for ukraine, this is 5 billion. i want to emphasize that the amount of almost four billion is still accepted, regarding the allocation of funds from frozen russian assets for the purchase of weapons for ukraine. and in these conditions , the world sees the tactics that he started or continues apply russian federation. i call this tactic, tactic. of the syrian war , which they are using in ukraine, if earlier they tried to mariupol not to use artillery to completely eliminate populated areas, they used torture, by the way, now is the anniversary of the liberation of the country, and i am proud that my military unit was the first to

enter and virpeniv buchu, and i saw with my own eyes what was then removed, i.e. everyone... roads with corpses, the stench of corpses, and the shock that you, you simply could not imagine that this was all reality, and under these conditions, the destruction of bakhmut, the destruction of avdeivka, the destruction of maryanka, the destruction of solyada, the complete incineration, and there is absolutely no need for this, this clearly demonstrates that they want to turn ukraine into syria. the last blows from ambers. from vsk to lodyzhansk , from zmiivsk, well, the complete liquidation of the energy system of ukraine, this is also the paralysis of ukraine as a state, and this once again shows that putin does not need donetsk or luhansk regions, nor part of zaporizhia or kherson, putin needs the destruction of ukraine, and precisely so yes there is an urgent question regarding the defense of the state,

because it depends on how we will build it qualitatively. in the same way, we must do everything to preserve the state, the preservation of the state is definitely on the agenda today, and therefore we must take it very, very seriously, including the government, if we talk about the preservation of the state, then of course it is always a question security guarantees for this state, and we can still change something in the future decisions of the washington nato summit, what can we expect in general and what else it is possible to achieve, i say once again. it is impossible to be a pessimist for the leadership of the country during the war, if you yourself do not believe in your own victory, and frankly, you are not giving a show. you won't succeed, you have to adjust the tasks that are in front of you, you have to bring them as close to reality as possible. i will

give you an example, in vilnius we wanted to get guarantees of membership, it is clear that due to various circumstances, it was almost impossible to reach this result, including due to certain mistakes in our tactics. but united unity, we are hitting one point, we adjusted our position in a timely manner, they said: we don't need membership guarantees, we still have them formally from 2008, please give us an invitation, an invitation, an invitation, when 30 countries, then 30 member countries, will be able to unanimously to vote that ukraine should be, for what it was necessary, is the position that putin cannot blackmail. nato, and nato is not afraid of putin. there are already several countries blocking this decision. then please

change the wording. write that it is not an invitation to membership, or invitation to start negotiations. the same technology that we did during negotiations on membership in the european union. preeksesion talk. let's begin. work, let's not stop, every nato summit should bring one or another progress in the movement of ukraine into nato, why? no guarantees , unfortunately, this is my opinion, which we are currently working on do not bring us closer to security or peace, we do not change anything for the positive, everything that is written there, we already have. you mean these agreements that are now with separate ones signed by nato countries, but psychologically , they distance us from nato, because those who

signed these agreements with us say, yes, you already have guarantees, what more nato do you need, and i think this is a very dangerous trend, because what i try to convey during my meetings and my visits that there is no... there is no formula for peace in europe without ukraine's membership in nato. the war will not end without ukraine's membership in nato under any circumstances. stop living with illusions. because ukraine's membership in nato is not just about protecting ukraine, but it is, as i think, said, sustainable security situation on the continent. the security situation on the... continent has become permanent, and this is the only thing that will give the opportunity to bring peace, stability and tranquility to the continent, because it does not exist, after one of

the permanent members of the united nations security council became an aggressor, it destroyed the post-war a security mechanism that was created in the 45th year, and to date no other tool, mechanism. apart from membership in nato does not exist, and here finland became the 31st member, sweden became the 32nd member. let's do everything to make ukraine the 33rd as soon as possible, and the washington summit gives us a window of opportunity for this. we must believe and work together. the whole country should work on this, because almost 90% of the population of ukraine, the people of ukraine, dream of a dream. membership of ukraine in nato. let me remind you, when i was elected president, this figure was equal to 16%. well, the question here is to what extent

western politicians agree with these 90% of ukrainians, again if you are talking about blocking by individual countries. if you are talking about fear of conflict with russia, then it is important to understand how to convince. what should give you optimism? macron's position. that is, this is it. there is this way forward, you can see it yourself, in the united states, the leadership of the state department and the leadership of the department of defense of the pentagon told me that without official references to this, that it is impossible for the united states to support ukraine's membership in nato at this stage transatlantic unity, because it should be. since the 1930s, transatlantic unity is germany's position. you know what i did after that. in rotterdam, at the european people's congress.

europe's largest political force, we adopted a separate resolution where all countries where this party is represented, including those in power, support ukraine's membership in nato, and the cdu, which is currently in opposition in germany, put forward an initiative in the bundestag that they support this is ukraine's membership in nato and received the corresponding voting result. that's why you have to take and work, and then the red lines are destroyed, and when the germans understand that there is no other model than ukraine's membership in nato, you will see the transformation that is underway, well, how would i have told you four years ago that europe would form a special military fund, when europe would provide supplies of offensive...

and aircraft weapons, when i would have told you that macron would allow the use of foreign troops on the territory of ukraine . you are a very competent, very educated person , you, i am convinced , said with a high degree of probability that these are dreams, this would never be possible, i also assure you, we will have germany's vote for ukraine's membership in nato. and another position when we we are talking about... foreign troops, i want to emphasize that in 15-16 years, including during the berlin summit, i said that we firmly advocate the presence of peacekeepers in the east of ukraine, donetsk, and luhansk regions, and if then, putin even then he said that it was acceptable for him, if we had continued this work since the 19th year and we had

peacekeepers on the territory of donetsk and luhansk with... the mandate of the security council of the united nations, the situation would have gone radically - to another just as seriously the presence of foreign troops, including those with peacekeeping status, must also be considered. thank you for this conversation and thank you for the calls for optimism. petro poroshenko, the leader of the european solidarity party, the fifth president of ukraine, was on our air and this is the last conversation of this program, the politclub program on the tv channel, vitaly portnikov was with you. all the best to you. dear viewers and until the next meetings, good luck, victory and peace to you, thank you, thank you, what is bahmud? bahmud is a place of fear, that place of bravery, no matter what anyone says, but bravery

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