well, it’s not a defense line, but they see it as their strategic line, it’s just a line along the alyaud islands, further down to taiwan, further down to japan, malaysia, and that’s the line close to china, by the way, careya and, well, vietnam did not enter this zone, did not enter this zone and do not enter, that is why such threats, which have historically been noted more, but with others, are more understandable for them. on the other hand, the role of the media and the american media is very much on our side, that is, they constantly raise this issue, even those who are so right, right radical, are they conservative, they also attract attention, so that in principle the citizens of the united states support, the media is not discussed as much, perhaps so actively, it is now against the background of the middle east, but nevertheless it is, therefore the address of the president... and

zelensky, if more so already to the citizens, the correct address, absolutely, i support it, you see, i say roughly the same words, but it no longer makes such an impression as it did in the 22nd year from the president of ukraine, then there was really a direct one, you can was to say, the impact on american citizens that the current administration didn't even like it very much, so you have to do it, you have to go directly to the americans now, because... what the elections and every politician really think here about the elections, and if there is pressure from citizens, letters, appeals to congress, to congressmen , to their own, this is a very important toolkit now. mr. valery , what is the current situation with the previous ratings of trump and biden, several studies indicate that, in principle, the current american president in some even. ahead of its own in key states

opponent, does this give, well, certain reasons to believe that the situation in the fall of the current year will turn out in favor of the democrats? in general, no one can predict where it will turn out, now according to the voters, they have actually guaranteed their nomination from donald trump-republicans and joseph biden-democrats, respectively, but i will be at the congresses. it's officially done, by the way let me tell you one important thing, the nato summit is just a few days before the rnc, meaning it's the republican national convention, and joseph biden could show determination and confidence, if he dared to invite ukraine, a political invitation to nato, not membership, but at least an invitation, and this is also an issue that should be raised recently at

the kyiv security forum , the head of the nato military committee talked about it. here, by the way, the position officially declared by ukraine is that the us position is key. it is the usa that is holding back this decision now. therefore, we need more than just weapons now, for which we are grateful, what the americans provide, even without a package. they still provided 300 million and continue to help. but i also understand president zelenskyi's statement, when we really say that weapons must arrive on time. because if it doesn't come when it's needed, then these needs are multiplied in order to stop the enemy, so i really hope that in the coming weeks, months there will be some kind of concentrated supply and help to ukraine, so far, so far some calls there in the press, don't shoot at russia, it definitely does not contribute to bringing peace, and we feel it, but i will say that... you know, well, it's not a wave

the first, maybe they have some secret thoughts inside that they want to do in such a way that the main opportunities of ukraine appear just in time for the period when there will be votes, well, voting is already possible, and then, i hope so, this not information, no, it's just, well, so logical that now the current administration could concentrate it on just this period, well, once again, donald trump does not... he should be perceived as a person who, well, is the only one, blocks all aid, this not so, but nevertheless, really his position, especially with regard to speaker johnson, it affects the situation very seriously, so i emphasize once again, it's time to address the american people, uh, mr. valery, well, we see now a lot and quite different... informational

or such, i would say, manifestations of that that the russian federation may be preparing for a truly broad offensive against ukraine. the economist and the times wrote about it, and in fact, i think that the american media also come to this, and there is no doubt about it, but this is an appeal to the american people, sometimes i think about the fact that the level of aid to our country was already so high that the americans simply will not allow them to stop supporting ukraine, that is, to help so much that after... then simply stop, it looks quite strange, on the other hand, we see the experience of afghanistan and the withdrawal of american troops from this country during the presidency, by the way, of joseph biden. so in your opinion, will this appeal to the american

people work, will it be a safeguard against the biden administration or any new the president, still did not manage to take a step back. on us, well, we don't need to run ahead with such pessimistic scenarios, because now the americans have not, the official position has not changed, it concerns the de-occupation of the territory of ukraine and the maximum aid, well , as they say, as much as necessary, it has not changed, this is the first thing, secondly, we are talking about two, just two scenarios, defense scenarios, they help us and will help us, we are talking about scenarios that will allow ukraine to quickly... take decisive steps to de-occupy the territories, that is, if in short, these are several hundred missiles and attacks with a range of up to 300 km, which can then attract some additional european structures of the system, then several squadrons, 3-4

squadrons of f-16s, that is, already in the summer, and not by delay, and in in principle, this package, which will be voted on, i think it will still be used, that is, all this will give an opportunity. another such attempt to change the situation, now with regard to all the press that write about russia's offensive there, you know, i don't have any information, if it's a lie, what russia is preparing, i don't know, well, i don't have such closed sources, i see it all too, i i can also sit and tell about various schemes, but when i hear the same people who warned us about large-scale. i believe them, but if i see some articles with such bright headlines, kyiv will fall there again or whether it can pass, then i read the text, there is no such thing in this article in the times, it is written simply as a call, rather to the mobilization of the united states, support us, that there is such a danger, and well

, i think it's normal, now it will work better in europe, especially, will we calm everyone down, that's the first thing, inside us countries. well, i think that somehow we need to find ways to inform the population, because people are really nervous, there are really incomprehensible activities on the borders, both sumy oblast and chernihiv oblast are constant in kharkiv, well, you see, in different places, no one knows how they will be scenario to develop, that is, it is clear that this is a war, but it is necessary to find in our internal means of communication to somehow orient correctly in relation to further development. i, for example, do not see from my experience that the statements that are being made now about the fatal consequences of this year, and that putin is already there a counteroffensive will capture kyiv, i know this, well , i honestly don't see how it can be done in these new conditions, but at the same time i see that

we really have the issue of arranging the second and third lines of defense, we have the issue of the internal mood of society. it is not in the best shape now, and here really, as you can see, there are a lot of disturbances, then there is a personnel decision, someone is moving somewhere, but we do not see such serious institutional strengthening yet, so the time has come to use all the country's resources now , if it is in to the parliament, i say everyone, that is, if we delay this, if we divide society, here i am the government, and there... the position is sitting, there is civil society, which needs to be controlled, and from here we will decide everything, that is how we can play it out, so now the task of the ukrainian authorities of president zelenskyy is not only to rearrange some pawns here and there on the rain, but we have to think about how

to protect the king, let's say this, if we are talking about the head of state, and this can be done only with the advantage of additional figures, so it seems to me... this an understatement in this regard internal threats and the internal situation. here are 10,000 handcuffs that the police are planning to buy, i don't know which for which. needs in general, i think that it is not necessary to explain to people right away what you are doing, why, how, different opinions immediately begin here, that is why now the unity of society, the production of weapons, the military industrial complex for industrial, rails, what is being done, and the same , i don’t touch on mobilization, i don’t want to, it’s a separate issue, but i just want to say one thing, the option of a long-term war of attrition is not... for ukraine, it’s only for collective defense, if they want attrition, if they don’t want threats, well, we

understand that, it’s necessary today, and don’t ignore all the moments with missiles in poland, deploy a joint air defense system over the border, nato should also wake up like european countries, i.e. in principle , nothing radically new of this kind is happening, but the pressure in the coming months is serious, i think opportunities will appear in ukraine, now it is necessary to endure, thank you, thank you, valery chaley, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of the united states of america, we have been in contact now to the middle east, to the terrorist danger, ihor simyvalos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, congratulations mr. ihor, congratulations, congratulations, colleagues, well, after the terrorist act in krasnogorsk, in the croco concert center near moscow city hall, there were a lot of conspiracy theories, including from the side. president putin, he turned out to be the main conspiracy theorist of these days, but we can say that we are aware that this

is a classic act of terrorism carried out by the islamic state of khorasan, and that what kind of organization is it, why is it capable of carrying out such serious terrorist attacks, because it is associated not only with this story, but also with the terrorist attack at the kabul airport and with the terrorist attacks near the russian embassy in afghanistan, and by the way, with the terrorist act near the grave of general suleimani in iran , where many senior representatives of the guard corps died. as well as numerous bombings of mosques in kabul and other cities of afghanistan, that is , it can practically be said that this organization has developed quite active terrorist activities in afghanistan, and unlike the taliban, which limits its activities to the borders of afghanistan, it has no borders, they actively work with the central asian and... diasporas, on the territory of afghanistan, that is, the actual population, tajiks and

uzbeks, and they also see their, their expansion further, actually within the framework of this historical the great kharasan, and this organization arises in the 14th year of the frame, just as the islamic state rises institutionally, and in this case here it arises on... on an empty place, and this, relatively speaking, is a part of al-qaeda that simply swears new caliph, and then it was in baghdad, and accordingly they set the goal of forming this great islamic state, according to the hadiths and sunnah of the prophet and the like. and what is here, if we talk about this terrorist, yes, without a doubt, if it... quacks and has wings, then it is a duck, and in this case there is no doubt

that this terrorist organization carried out this terrorist attack , all the more so since the warnings were in advance, all the more so in principle, well, the special services, at least a few western countries , received such information via communication channels, huh, sir igor, please tell me if it was just after... after this terrorist attack happened in crocus city hall, many among ukrainian analysts noticed that for such an organization as dilaka, even more, let's say, even more than the western world, so collective, they hate, so to speak, the wrong muslims, and it is russia's support for the taliban, the support and good friendship of the russian federation with iran, support for the proxy army, in particular the iranian one. this is what catalyzed these terrorist attacks, which

may continue in russia federation, because i dilka announces exactly this, that is, in fact, russia underestimated these internal misunderstandings, or how to even call it, i don’t know, internal conflicts in the muslim world and different interpretations of the religion of islam in general, well... i think russia actively used these different interpretations, and active cooperation with the shiites, is therefore just a classic answer, well, in general, in the ukrainian interpretation. i would say idil ha rather yeah because it's k it's just the english keyboard for karasava you know yeah of course the number of muslims who died at the hands of the islamic state is in no way comparable to representatives of other ethnic groups, and

the majority of terrorist attacks and hostilities take place in the middle east, we can mention here the war in syria and in... cancer, terror that were introduced by the fighters of the islamic state in these occupied territories, well, we have already mentioned here the terrorist attacks against the shiites and the war against the taliban, that is, in fact, they are an extremely gregorian islamist structure that does not see any compromises in front of itself, and does not want to no compromises. that is, they mobilize their supporters precisely on this, and believe that this is the only right and correct option, and in this, against this background, even alkaya look like kindergarten children, although they objectively come from alkaida, ugh, tell me, mr. igor, in principle, how

serious is the danger of terrorist actions in russia in the future, are they able to respond to this situation now in what... way? yes, i think the danger is real, yes, and i think that this organization will at least try to commit terrorist acts in order to to confirm their, and their right to a terrorist attack in crocus, and since i think that they were taken by surprise. the russians that it was done by someone else, there ukrainians or somewhere else, americans, britain, and not the islamic state, that is, they were, to be honest, somewhat surprised, i think that the statements that were made, they just show that the fact that there will be terrorist attacks, and the following ones, although this may be part of such

a raising of the stakes, a game of raising the stakes, so what... it is also important to note that recently we have seen how relations are developing between the taliban and moscow, and precisely the key issue, the issue of the security of central asia, the issue of security, non-spreading of islamism, and occupies a significant part of the time there, so cooperation around this will continue, but the russians will have to reorient their special services again, now again... what time , yes, and it will be much more difficult than it was there, say, in the 10s, when they were able to create a more or less effective security system and to counter islamism, but then these were specific challenges related to the northern caucasus , for the most part, is the situation now

much worse, given the large number of gaystar-baiters, without whom the russians cannot do, and ... what we see now on the streets of russian cities, growth, attacks, everything else, it can also actualize the participation of these gasdarbaiters, the desire for revenge, yes it became known that recep tayyip erdoğan, the turkish president, will pay a visit to the united states in may, what should we expect from this visit, because, if i am not mistaken, then... because mostly lately the presidents have been talking on the sidelines of some international events at which they attended, and of course in telephone mode? well, i think that recep tayyip erdogan needs a certain reset of relations between the states, although i think they can take a break, but i

see that he wants to go there already at the peak, that is, his political power. now the local elections are important and this is to win big cities in the opposition and based on that you can go, well, since he has already said that this is his deadline and he will no longer run for president, that is, now he can think about the eternal, about the future, about this state of turkish-american relations, and erdoğan wants to go down in history as a person who will carry out... some huge act, that is , such a political act, and i also think that it can be built around this in including the dialogue between biden and erdogan, if you want to ask why... it will be a ukrainian issue, yes. and do you believe, mr. igor, that president erdogan will not be swamped anymore? well, i think it probably

is. but, of course, in the case of erdogan , one never says never. yes, that is we, me, me, me i understand your skepticism. no, it's not skepticism, it's just an attempt to understand how, for whom, he will leave the turkish language, that's how he puts the question. ah, well, i think. he'll find someone, and i think as of right now, that's exactly what you need to choose, win the local elections to make sure that the future of his suitor will be bright, but if not, then no, he 'll stay, here really still an interesting aspect of the participation of both america and turkey in the north atlantic alliance, in the alliance itself, at least for us from ukraine positions... very often it seems that these are such two poles, as well as the vision of each state of its role in nato and nato, in general, the roles of nato

in the world can also be different, and here is the day before, in fact, the american elections, where the actual chances of donald trump, who is quite skeptical about the prospects of america's participation in nato, has won, at least he says so rhetorically. about what in this context? could there be a visit by erdoğan to the states? well, there is enough of a circle of questions, yes, starting with bilateral relations, ending with the war in the in the middle east, and the issue of syria, the issue of the kurds, the war in ukraine, the future of nato, that is , in fact, in fact, turkey wants to have such an exclusive right, or ... some separate position that is recognized by other members of the alliance, given its position, given its

involvement in middle eastern affairs, and apparently erdogan wants to choose such a right for himself, for his country. ugh. if you talk about how the situation in the middle east will develop now, you don't see anything additional. threat due to the fact that for the first time, i believe, in recent history, the united states did not veto a security council resolution. the un on the cease-fire, there is such an obvious, now conflict between israel and the united states all that, something that we have never discussed at all, right? such a topic, well, we, we, we warned about it, i warned about it in a special article in the mirror of the week, that such a thing could happen, yes, and there were too many signals, that is, actually, this is for me. was absolutely not a surprise, well, there were several such resolutions, so to speak, that is in the recent ten-year history, remember

the resolution on israeli settlements in the occupied territories, then the americans also got it, it was under obama, but what about this resolution and this position in general, it is clear that this resolution, it is of such a non-binding nature, but it is so specific... that the americans are categorically against the plans that netanyahu was building, and netanyahu's style of behavior as mr. no is no longer satisfied by washington, after such, as you can see, sharp escapades from the from netanyahu's side, they still agreed that there should be negotiations and a softening of the tone, and so it seems that the matter is from ... from the ground, and at least there is a chance that the gas war can stop , and it will benefit everyone. thank you, mr. igor, for

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there is no political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. freedom life, frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. we continue the saturday club, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov. well, mr. vitaly, of the past. together we talked about the causes and consequences of what happened in podmoskovyhall, during this week, many nuances have changed around this whole story, but the most important thing has not changed, in principle, blaming putin, ukraine itself for what happened, trying to put us in the same line as terrorist organizations, and possibly appeal to the world, look , whom

you support, and they... create a niche of communication and cooperation with idols that they create on the territory of our country, how effectively do they succeed in this farce in your opinion? i think it is not possible at all, maybe such an idea existed in the first stages history with this terrorist act, but even in the domestic context of russia, it is not very valid, because russians see on their screens persons, so to speak, of a completely different origin and from a different angle. how is all this connected with ukraine, especially without any specific facts, when representatives of the russian special services just talk about it, but you know, when they accused sintsov, his comrades and so on of terrorist acts there, they at least showed specific people , who were doing something there, preparing some terrorist acts and sabotage, here they can't even present a single person, they can't present any evidence, besides, it is absolutely obvious that the position of the russians in this story is quite

conditional. appear in connection with the warnings of the american and british special services that there were no real threats of this kind from ukraine, but there was a threat of a terrorist act, american, british, public intelligence warned about this, they ignored it, and you remember that just a few days before the terrorist act, president putin said that it was aimed at panic, panic. to incite among the citizens of the russian federation, well, it seems to me that this is rather a demonstration of unprofessionalism, the russian special services either unknowingly or deliberately, precisely in order to blame ukraine, failed this terrorist act, you heard these words of the minister of foreign affairs.