the line on august 24, 1991 is not considered to be the lines of any state border of ukraine or demarcation with ukraine, well, it is just such a fact, it is a fact that simply characterizes the policy of the aggressor, which means that it is possible that there is some kind of conditional line from the point of view of the russians now for today day, this is the border with ukraine along the administrative borders of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhia regions. this is the conditional line of the state border between russia and ukraine, for now, because if the russians capture another village in another region, they will there is a referendum, they will consider the line of the state border with ukraine to be another region, mykolaiv or gartsky, it is all a delusion, i don’t even want to discuss this delusion, but the question is that we are negotiating with people who live in in this world, here is just a simple simple example: you are dealing with a person who... in the world

of his schizophrenic dreams, this person thinks he is napoleon bonaparte, which he is not, or vladimir putin or volodymyr zelensky, which he is not, or your there is a father, let's say, who knows how you live, and this is not your father, this is a stranger whom you just saw on the street, on the street, if this person is in a psychiatric hospital, taking the appropriate course of treatment, being watched by paramedics, you can treat it ironically, thinking, well... man, well, he's sick, it's a pity, he considers himself the emperor of france, russia, austria-hungary, it doesn't matter what. if this person is not in a lunatic asylum, he is in his office in the kremlin, he has a huge army, special services, a nuclear button, a population, which considers her policy to be absolutely correct, votes for it, or simply does not pay attention, then you can of course announce this person as much as you want. crazy

, but your survival and your fate depends on this person, on his perception of the world around him, and if you want to negotiate with this person, you should be aware that his perception of the world is fundamentally different from yours, and he will be ready to endure as much as it takes and pay as much as it takes to get her idea about a world that differs from reality has become a reality, even if for this it will be necessary to destroy people or destroy some there, relatively speaking... objects of critical infrastructure, then what russia is doing all this, putin is doing all this, he is not sees no problems in this. so what does that mean? it means a simple thing that the idea that if we occupy some territory occupied by the russians. automatically means that putin wants negotiations with us, it may not work. ugh. and you will have to be ready for that too. both here and in the west, they are constantly looking for some formula, somewhere... that border line, or

confrontation, at which putin will be ready to speak, i can answer that question for you. the line after which putin will be ready for negotiations with ukraine is called the line of exhaustion of russian resources. if russia understands that they do not have sufficient military, technical, demographic and economic potential to wage war with ukraine. they will negotiate from whatever position they are in and will be willing to sacrifice any territories there, which they are absolutely not interested in, they are interested in the destruction of the country itself and any other interests, for the sake of this, to end this war. as soon as the demographic, economic, social and technical resources of the russian state are determined, you can absolutely. to clearly say that the war

will end within a week, a certain naryshkin and patrushev will go to washington, not to kyiv, agree on this with the americans, it remains only for the minister of defense of ukraine and russia to meet and sign an agreement on cease fire, then the process of political settlement will begin, discussion of the question of what to do with the occupied territories , etc., until the moment, as long as this resource exists, the war will continue. now the question is, how much of this resource do the russians have? if this resource is enough for a year and a half, the war will continue for a year and a half. if this resource will be enough for 10-15 years, and we will have enough resources to resist russia with help. the european union, with the help of the united states. the war will continue for 10-15 years without any hope at its end. and you have to be clearly aware of it. because. that the whole recipe

for the end of the war, it is, and it was talked about in february 2022, such wars end when the resources of the parties, or one of the... parties or two parties, are exhausted, no other recipe except the exhaustion of demographic, economic, military and the technical potential for ending such wars does not exist in nature. do the heads of state decide when the war will end? no, because they are simply in front of the fact, they come to them, relatively speaking, in ours option to president putin, and they say: mr. president, we have such a situation that we don't have s... uh, we don't have more missiles, we don't have anyone else to mobilize, we are forced to stop payments to state employees, we are forced to stop payments to pensioners, we don't have oil revenues, we don't have gas revenues, if we go to war

for a few more months, your government, mr. president , is in danger because country after country is going to collapse, then president putin picks up the phone, joe. either donald or maybe it can to be the next president, maybe after this term, it will be there in 2029, it doesn’t matter what the name of the new american president will be, maybe sergey will come to you, he has something to say, and the american one, well, let him come, or maybe we’ll just meet somewhere in abu dhabi, we hear that he is flying to washington, but if there is no such thing, if... that putin is meeting with some shaykh nebulina there and someone else, and they say that the currency is stable , we get money for oil, there are people for another five years, we we're still holding out, so what's up with him what is he, what is he risking? mr. vitaly, you and i talked about the fact that there is a high

probability that putin very often receives questionable information from his inner circle, that the people who serve the regime are not... interested in providing objective data to the russian president , it's true, but when there will be a situation related to the collapse, they will find an opportunity to inform him about it , just do it, they won't be afraid, because if they don't inform him, this collapse will just happen, ugh, well, i have a question here, either you inform him and do something together, or you run away to washington without permission, or you will simply be killed and imprisoned there, ugh, a collapse will develop, you understand, then in na... whiners who will not have bread and heat there, but again, we are talking about a completely empirical situation, which does not exist now, does not exist, does not exist, so i am simply explaining what is the real formula for the end of the war, we are always discussing this question, the formula and all

the time trying to find some line, in the 22nd year, as the president said, here is putin will want negotiations on the line of the 22nd year, the state border of the 91st year, putin will. during the negotiations on the line of 991 in the fall of 22 , we said that it was enough to take back the only regional center that they captured , kherson, and they would be ready, something would be ready, ready, but the truth is that the possibility of negotiations should not be associated with territorial gains or losses, and the possibility of negotiations should simply be associated with a sufficient number of resources to wage war. to each side, if we have our strength in that the west will continue to help us, that the west is set there for 10-15 years of further assistance to ukraine, yes, for the ukrainian state, these are serious problems, it is demographic, economic, political, social exhaustion, we must understand that in

10-15 years we will not get out stronger from the war , we will be able to survive as a state, but it will be a completely different state than the one in which we lived in 2022, in general, to the ukraine in which we lived in 2022, we... will never return 24- th year of february 2022, this ukraine died under the blows of russian troops and we can only build a new ukrainian state, a post-war ukraine, no matter if this construction begins in the 20s, 30s , 21st century, we must do everything so that this new ukraine, which will emerge from the terrible , an exhausting war, was a strong and successful state for those citizens of ukraine who will choose to stay on its territory, this must also be understood. will it not be all those who live today, today in the ukrainian region of the state, many will simply not live to see this new state, many wants to leave it, but we will fight for every citizen who chooses to live in such a dangerous post-war situation, in any case, in any

case, if the west helps ukraine, if ukraine is a fortress of those who effectively protects the civilized world from russia's possible ambitions, that means we can wait. of russian exhaustion, well , at least some part of ukrainians, those who remained, but those people who are thinking about negotiations, they must understand their recipe exactly, the recipe is... to wait together with the event, while russia's forces will decrease, and again , maybe we just don't know this, as we never know the real situation in the authoritarian world, that these resources in russia are not so great that we talked about 10 years with you, or maybe it's a year or two, maybe it's two or three years and that's all, two years have already passed, but two or three more years and... this will lead to moscow's real desire to put an end to this

struggle. once again, we must remember that ukraine is not a lone country in this war, that we are part of a coalition of the civilized world, that the civilized world decided, let's say, with the help of the ukrainian armed forces and with the readiness of ukrainian citizens to withstand all the difficulties of the long-term exhausting. war , in this way to prove to russia that a country that violates international law, a country that occupies foreign territories, that took a course to exterminate the people of a neighboring country and does not see anything immoral in this, that it does not win in such a situation, about the same western politicians say all the time, we will do everything so that ukraine does not lose this war, but from the ukrainians it depends on how much they are ready to be such an important, i would say, historical instrument of proof that... and what is all this is a great responsibility, i would say, and the burden of their

ro, listen, we have already read all this, that's all it is written in the bible, in the first, in the first of these , books, well, this is a book of exodus by and large, so what is the lord, if we move on to such terminology, that the lord wanted to prove to pharaoh that the one who mocks, ugh. over those who are weaker, over those who cannot defend themselves, over those who cannot, gets to respect for his human dignity, that he cannot win, he will lose this pharaoh, tyrant, dictator, such putin of that time, relatively speaking, he is simply shown there in the bible, for god's sake you can... consider that this is civilized the world, but god himself does not go to the battlefield, he creates the conditions

, he does not meet with the pharaoh, not once, as biden does not meet with putin, he sends moses to the pharaoh, of course , a so-called conditional zelensky, who does not even speak very well can, the head of his office aaron speaks for him, well in fact, a very similar story, but here and there moses explains to pharaoh there, we must let go, we want to go, pharaoh says. no , not at all, who are you, but the jewish people in this story are an instrument to prove that civilization, that truth always wins over tyranny, and again, when the jewish people leave egypt, what happiness awaits them, well, you have to read , that there is nothing good there, this is a journey through the desert that ukrainians embarked on, when independence was declared, and then when the war began, and this is when the real journey began. so whether will they reach the promised land? of course, those who are here will not make it, this is all

done for the sake of children and grandchildren, what a promised land, and this is a journey through the desert, for the sake of the journey, for the sake of changes in myself, well, i don’t have that, it’s generally sunday, i apologize , sermon, what i am saying is every, every priest in the orthodox, in the catholic, even in the protestant church, he tells this, every one. it is, but you can ask, why, why do we have to walk in the desert for 40 years, why are the non-nubian hittites, and why that they stayed in egypt, why , you left, you wanted freedom, took it and left, but you would sit, say we are the same russian kakivi, everything would be fine, elect putin, pray for the bear, for the patriarch of this . stupid cyril cyril, by the way, declared a holy war, well

, there is a cause-and-effect relationship for this, this is what moses tried to explain to the jews when they were in the desert, you decide, you agreed to go, what did you want to see here, and they told him, by the way, ukrainians can do that, so we were going to go there for 10 days, the roads are there, 10 days, well, excuse me, two or three weeks, two or three weeks, two or three weeks, well, oh, and it turned out that we have been going for 40 years, why, because no, because this... ours was a hotel in 10 days there to get there, but there is definitely a problem, it’s a different route, you have to cross the sea, it’s to the side, everyone who knows the geography of the near east knows that there... there’s nowhere to go at all, we can reach it on foot even now from egypt to israel, well, but if you go around, it’s a long time, well, that’s the story, that’s how we go to our freedom, yeah, and it’s necessary to understand such a geopolitical challenge , you can not read the history of the country, you can read the bible, everything is written there, the result is also known, but the people who

want to enter the kingdom of freedom must enter it , but in the form of their slings, their descendants, in in case, if he does not make mistakes, in case, even not, if he makes mistakes, then it just takes longer , goes, just every mistake is plus 10 years, what is the problem, and the next generation, i am calm here for the ukrainian people, but look, as for mistakes on the way, well, we understand that we are not at all saints, and of course we allow them when we talk about the people to whom we have delegated. the authorities in this country, as a people, they too can make certain mistakes, can we say that in our country, at least in the context of recent personnel rotations, there is an attempt to correct something, that is, we are not completely sure whether it there are some mistakes, but that in order to answer this question, you need to understand

the logic of personnel decisions, since we do not understand it since 2019, then i think that we should not comment on it, we cannot... what we we do not understand, because we do not understand how some people get into certain positions , how they get rid of them, and why new people come, we know that the president of ukraine is solely responsible, it is, it is the decision of the ukrainian people, what is there happens all around, you see, it doesn't matter, when 73% of citizens vote for one person, then it means something. parliamentary majority, then this is, by and large, the road to electoral autocracy, you know that in the ranking of world democracies, ukraine also occupies a prominent place in electoral autocracy, not as electoral democracy, well, it happened , there is nothing good there, by and large, ukraine is the only european state, if we do not consider russia, belarus,

lukashenka, who is on this list, to be european, do we have anywhere go from the point of view of at least elect. democracies like, like our neighbors, and by the way , this is not an easy task, you know, that's why i mentioned this list, because just this year israel was included in the list of electoral democracies for the first time, this is the biggest defeat for it in 50 years , because israel was on the list of liberal democracies, and thanks to the judicial reform, the conflict between the political forces and so on, it lost that place, so it's not just, it's not just us... we're going to be an electoral electoral democracy after the war, maybe someday there for the 30-40 years and liberal democracy, we have all the possibilities for this, but what i am saying is that as a result of such one-man rule, we can consider it in monarchical ee

, so to speak, in monarchical comparisons, well... here is king louis, whom everyone knows by the novel the three musketeers by alexandre dumas father , he had a wonderful favorite, uh, cardinal richelieu, well, he chose him as a favorite, the cardinal was a great minister, he built half of paris, you remember, well, that 's serious serious work, you can say. as the head of the head of france, but it was the king's choice, the king could have chosen another person, and he chose a cardinal, eventually he died, and another cardinal was chosen, cardinal mazarin,

he was not so successful and the french did not accept him as decided. but he had the same completeness of power, and again, this completeness was the responsibility of the monarch after all, right? well, at least it should be, right? well, well, but this is the anointed of god, and here too it is the person who has such a national mandate, he chooses who works with him based on sympathy, well , louis was far from interesting in government work, but he sympathized with richelieu, rechelier was flawless. a statesman, and then he sympathized with mazarin, well, what can you do here, well , if there are such opportunities, well, of course, it is possible to believe that this is a republic, but it is a conditional republic in such conditions, when we cannot. to hold elections when we don't have an electoral process, we can't even make a claim here to president zelensky, well, he is so connected to the war, he turned out to be such an uncrowned monarch

of this country, well, what can you do, especially , that other institutions degraded the parliament back in the 19th year, it was already degrading 5 years ago, but not now, it has been gone for a long time, because these people who sit in the parliament, i i mean the majority, they read the names of the ministers from pieces of paper, they couldn't even pronounce the names of the people they voted for correctly. this is not a parliament, this is a kind of kindergarten, but there is no government, many people do not even remember the name of the previous prime minister of ukraine, i think most of them will not remember the names of the current ministers, now there will be changes in the government, who will replace who, who are these people, who is this, well, but he is the president, he has monarchical possibilities, his... right to choose favorites, these are not questions that the positions these people hold, it's a question of what kind of influence they use, it's not constitutional, in order to decide the constitutional, unconstitutional, you need to hold elections, the war will end,

again in 20 there, i don't know, in the fourth year or in the 34th there will be elections, the people will decide, well, mr. vitaly, i understand that you are avoiding commenting on these and other people now, because i do not know who these people are, you do not know who the chief is, we have been with you since the 19th of that year we say that i know who the shefir is, but i absolutely do not know how much influence the shefir has was such a business partner and friend of zelenskyi, no, to what extent he is generally connected with the position of the first assistant to the president, that's what i don't know, i really don't know it, and you don't know it, that is, the meaning of the chief is that he is the chief, or the fact that he is the first assistant to the president, here was berezovsky, very similar, by the way, he was the deputy secretary of the security council of the russian federation for a while. was the executive secretary of the cis from what kind of fright? and also, i was also forced by the way you do it, to analyze whether he

was removed from the position of deputy secretary of the security council of russia, or did he leave the cis, did this reduce his influence? no , it's not clear, roman abramovich was the governor of chukotka, it has some great significance, well , i don't know what he needed there in chukotka, that is, i know, but i won't say. but this, but it's definitely not related to politics, it's the same in this case, the chief was removed from the position of first assistant to the president, he generally performed these duties recently, where he, uh, he works with the president at all, maybe he doesn't work, maybe he continues to have a good personal relationship, but we don't know anything, we don't know anything at all. we don't know what happens in the inner circle, in the office, it's like doing criminology, but when we

were doing criminology, we had at least 15 portraits of members of the politburo, well, they hung on the houses, it was the politburo, they voted differently there from time to time, and the way they were hung up at the early demonstrations, if only we could understand, then and who who has more influence, who has less, because for reasons i still do not understand, they were hung according to the level of influence, they were announced alphabetically, and they were hung according to level, there is nothing like that, there is no politburo, we do not know who these people are, what was their real influence, was it at all, what did they do in their positions, it's anonymous power, well how about that in many utopian novels where there are people we know nothing about, there is a first person about her. we all know the plot, it exists, it appears, it gives an interview, we comment on this interview, and so on another thing, we also don't know what she thinks about real politics, except for interviews, because it's unknown, there are few people, she doesn't

meet, as a rule, with ukrainian journalists, that is, they meet only western ones, which you look at the first person as a symbol of resistance, well, that is, we don't know anything either, this is a fantastic figure, who is known to most ukrainians not so much from political activities, but from television series, where she played a role, and was not real. by a person, that is, it is also an image, an image, people who are shadows generally go further, they shadows, nothing, we only know the surname , everyone fills this surname with a person who is next to the president with his own meaning, his own, you know, like a balloon, someone gives it, and it means that it is a fair ball, and someone gives it, which means that it is a strong manager, a serious person, a person who can actually carry out certain management functions, someone looks at another fair ball and says that he is a favorite, he... where he exerts a bad influence on zelensky, protects some corporate interests there, and we do not know who rules , we we do not know any of this, the ukrainian government is generally detached from society's knowledge of its essence, and so it is with every person. with

each one, we do not read interviews, we do not see the real level of responsibility, ministers appear, disappear, they are also not public figures by and large, even in the armed forces of ukraine, we can only count on certain short public appearances of military leaders , there is an interview of general syrskyi, for the first time in recent months, an official interview, yes, of general zaluzhnyi, who for for many ukrainians, for the majority , such a thing is a symbol of victory, you saw it once. or two, and he was at a press conference once and at a press conference once once, that is , we saw him in real life as a person who says something, but we saw him as a living person once, that is, there is a person who is an image, and everyone yes, i don't know, i just mentioned it, but it seems to be normal for the military, there are no questions, but we are not, but there is no need to make things up, there is, by the way, but it is not

incorrect. comparison, but i will try, is lina vasylivna kostenko, a very non-public person, you have seen at least once in your life, or not, yes, i spent time with lina vasylivna once in my life, talked with her, once, well, no, talked on the phone many times, this the truth, ugh, a lot of times, i have to say that lina vasylivna corresponds to her image, which many people... put into the image of lina kazenko, then there are poems, yes, yes, but you know that a person, a living person , and poems are different images, absolutely, yes, eh, i know many poets who are absolutely not corresponded to their literary image, but these poets were famous, they were there all the time, you could see them, they appeared there, lina vasilievna almost never appears, there is an image of pain, i really say, most people have never seen , ugh, but put in the image, what they want

to put in. according to what they read, it's an image, but it's an image in culture , it's our right, you know, we create an image for ourselves, that's how we create images for ourselves, ee poets and writers, artists that we've never seen, that were in 19th year, just 19th century, just alina kostenko - this is our image, our contemporaries, here she is , you can go somewhere to see her, but we don't see her, there are some people who see, but most have never seen and will never see, that's it in politics, it simply has a different meaning, absolutely true, but these are... very similar situations, there are, we do not know anything about these people, all politicians who were there in ukraine until 2019 and managers, we knew what we say, then we could sit and analyze it, now we don't even know the meaning of the actions, here we are discussing some deputy, who sometimes fights with a former member of the armed forces of ukraine, and sometimes with the right to meet with foreigners. and we don't know if she's doing

it herself or if she's just a tool for people from another department, roughly speaking, from the non-legislative branch, it's an insult, but along with that is her co-author on this law, such a well-known citizen activist who has come many times on television, which i had many times on the air, i talked to her a lot. she is a smart, empathetic person who understands exactly what she is doing, i don't need an image, but what she , say, does there, it does not correspond to what i know about her, that's why i try, that's why i have this knowledge of a real person, there is an image, the current image does not match with what i know about a real person, with whom i am a real person, i treat with great respect, how, and how can i treat without respect when i have real information. about a real person of

flesh and blood, and this is a huge problem, how should i analyze it? then i have to say, no, you know, i have to retrain as somebody another, because this is some kind of madness , it is good, but i warned in 2019 that it is not professional governance when you vote for people who have never done anything in their life, they still do not understand what public administration is, do they otherwise, even people who are in their position, who can understand all this, they are forced to act in this logic, if you put a... a professional in this story, he will act in this logic, and our he will not resist, well, how do you understand, well, well, if you come, well , i don't know how to explain, well, if you come, well to kindergarten, you are there, let's say an adult, and they tell you that you will be in this group, you say to educate, no, sit down, you will eat porridge with these children, well, you eat, but what are you to do, it's like you're going to get fired , if your career depends on it.