real information about a real person of flesh and blood and this is a huge problem, how should i analyze it? then i have to say, no , you know, i have to retrain as someone else, because this is kind of crazy, it's good, but i warned in 2019 that it's not professional governance when you vote for people who have never done anything like this in their lives were not involved, who do not understand what public administration is, one way or another, even people who are in their position, who can understand all this, they are forced to act in this logic. if you go there if you put a professional in this story, he will act according to this logic, otherwise he will not be able to resist, well, how do you understand, well, how, well , if you come, well, i don’t know, well, if you come, well, to the kindergarten, you are there, let’s say an adult, and you are told that you will be in this group, you say to educate, no, sit down, you will eat porridge with these children, well, you eat, but what are you to do, otherwise you will be kicked out, if your punishment depends on it the year er opportunities, and so people who are

adults and fall into such a situation, younger than the children's group, they are just they are trying to pretend, now i will eat everything , what a wonderful chocolate bar, i will now eat with fruit and with nuts, you see, it is still interesting what these people are really guided by, that is , just their own career, someone can be guided by the fact that he wants to save public administration, people have different intentions, people are different, okay, but that is the way it is, different... we don't have a system of public administration and there won't be until the end of the war, after the end of the war the voters have to decide whether it whether it suits them or not, if the voter doesn't grow up, that's how it will be, ugh, nothing in there is no such thing, these are historical processes, mr. vitaly, i actually wanted to finally note with you quite interesting things that

in ukrainian-polish relations , well, despite the blockade, despite the fact that we did not agree again, despite the fact that the missile flew for 39 seconds and there was no reaction, but this is a separate discussion, after all, we have a statement from poland that it doubles its in fact, a contribution to the czech munitions initiative, on the one hand, well, that is, i got a little lost in polish logic, on the one hand, i did not get lost in polish logic, the polish logic is very simple, there may be... a war in europe, so poland should help ukraine in its confrontation with russia, because as long as ukraine is fighting russia, european countries can feel safe. ukraine is, as i already said , such a night watch, relatively speaking, from the game of thrones, well, uh, and you need, if, excuse me, a watch, it needs to have guns, to have shells, the wall is good there, that everything was everything, but... does not mean that if

they grow wheat there, then they have it they will sell it to us, we will grow it ourselves, that is the logic, it is simple , it means that the polish governments understand this danger, since prime minister tusk speaks about it out loud, although the europeans do not like it, that we live in a pre-war era, and it is true , a war can really start in europe, there is no need to even doubt that such a possibility exists and that european countries will not accept refugees but deliver them somewhere further south. europe and this is a separate story for the future, it will be very interesting history, and of course, if we witness it, but this is reality, and tusk is one of the first european politicians who says that this is the pre-war era, okay, so we need to help with weapons, on the other hand, there is polish society, which believes that it is not it is necessary to destroy agriculture, it thinks so, any politician must somehow be aware of the interests of this society in order not to lose... power, well, it turned out that

the current government, it is in the same logic as the previous ones, who also did not want to lose power, realizing what he had competitors are on the right, and by the way, this government also understands that it has competitors on the right, it’s just that that government had a confederation, this government has right and justice, that’s the logic we have, regarding the rocket, it’s also a completely understandable logic, that’s why that the polish military assumes that if a missile flies on the territory of poland, on the territory of ukraine, it is not a threat to poland itself, it wants to... hit a target on the territory of ukraine, and if it is shot down on the territory of poland, then it can to harm ordinary poles citizens i don't think this logic is fair, but it is there. and i think that now, when they are discussing the issue of the fact that there should be joint control of the air defense systems of poland and ukraine on the territory of ukraine, and that these targets should be destroyed when they approach the polish border, that is, in the airspace of ukraine, but on territory of ukraine, but possible. the polish

air defense system, this should also be a logical approach, and we have to work with it, too, i think that such joint control is a good way out of the situation, well mature it looks symmetrical and fair, if a russian missile can fly over poland, then why can't the polish air defense system work even over those territories that are not russian, but ukrainian, of course, but this again, it must be political will, the decision of the north atlantic alliance , because they will think, and how will russia react to it, if its missile is destroyed, its missile will be destroyed by the polish anti-aircraft defense system not in poland, uh, not in poland, because if in poland, then there are no questions. the truth is that russia cannot say poland why, why did you damage our wonderful rocket, that it crossed the airspace of poland, but we see that the russians are becoming more and more defiant, the fact that the polish ambassador of the russian federation in warsaw , serhii andriev, simply ignored the summons of the ministry of foreign affairs of poland , which

never happens at all, diplomats usually go, no matter what we are, no matter what the relationship is, the russian ambassador in poland disappeared for a few days, he appeared by the way, i somehow... i don't know, i think he is now you see, even countries that are already in a state of declaration of war and so on, the ambassador goes, it's a terrible moment, you understand, but he goes there and meets with the head of the ministry of foreign affairs in the country, who he declares war, yes, by the way , the german ambassador in moscow, count shullenburg, ugh, arrived at the ministry for the affairs of the soviet union and declared war on the people's commissar of foreign affairs vyacheslav molota, that's how it is in general. in diplomacy, even under such conditions, it is as if there are no such conditions here, the parties support each other diplomatically, but he behaves in such a terrible way, so the russians have already decided that they don't care about everything and everyone, and this is also an important point, and in your opinion, will tusk be able

to effectively convince all his and european partners, until recently, he was recently in the united states, can he be considered an advocate of this strategy, russia is a real danger, you can't... let ukraine fall? i think that at least our central european neighbors should be more interested in this than anyone else. but we we see an old story. do you remember when both poland and the baltic states convinced their european partners for years that there was a threat from russia, and they said that it was paranoia. so. this point of view of the baltic countries and poland has always been perceived as paranoia, connected with their previous negative historical experience, which has nothing to do with modernity, when you just need to trade peacefully, relatively speaking. and then it turned out that... they were right, and their neighbors were not, and now we heard that tus told about the trailer prime minister of spain pedro sanchez, a very, by the way, a strong politician and a great friend of ukraine and a person who has an obvious desire to help us. and sanchez said: "well, listen, you don't have to talk about the war, because it scares

the europeans, you don't have to just talk about it." and it is absolutely obvious that the prime minister of a country that is very far away on the poronei peninsula, far from the theater of war, but he does not want his compatriots to live in... uh, a state of some kind of danger, so, that more, perhaps, they will not be in danger, but if talk about allied relations in the european union, in the north atlantic alliance, then there should be solidarity between those who are directly in the line of fire, and those who are close to the war, and those who are far from the war, and this should also be logical the one we would make, we should draw as a conclusion from the history of the 20th century, mr. vitaly, thank you for this analysis. it was the saturday political club, vitaly portnikov, our guests, thanks to everyone who made it possible to record this program, and we invite you to join the saturday political club next week, be with espresso.

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by football together stronger! congratulations to everyone, this is a joint project of the tv channel and the atp tv channel. together, beraber, we talk about the occupied crimea so far, and khrystyna yatskiv and ayder muzhdabay welcome you. well , i would certainly like to start with a reminder that the holy month of ramadan, sacred to all muslims in the world, continues, and it is extremely important that new common traditions related to this are being born in ukraine, on march 25 president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi together with ukrainian military personnel who practice islam, leaders of the medjalis of the crimean tatar people and representatives of the muslim community. community and clergy took part in iftar, a dinner held during the holy

month of ramadan for muslims, a break-the-fast dinner, as i understand it, yes, well, yes, it is an evening when relatives and friends gather, and it was very warm, by the way, the commander of the 48th lino ruslyama told me that they had a very fruitful conversation with the president already off camera, off the frame, and everything was very sincere, and the awarding was also... and probably someone has already seen the video awarding, where the president awarded 19 people there with his decree, which he awarded on march 25, and among them, they are all heroes, i have known some of them since 15- th year, from the blockade of crimea, and 13 of those awarded were from the 48th , a separate assault battalion, and they were awarded orders.

12 soldiers and one medal for military service in ukraine were awarded by us and by the order for bravery of the third degree, especially i want to note that for the first time in the history of ukraine, absolutely for the first time in the history of ukraine, a woman, a representative of the indigenous people of crimea, became a medal bearer, so it is correct to say. the military order bearer of ukraine , this is elizara velilyaeva, a junior sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, a person who is boundlessly brave, and whom we simply very, very much value and honor, and i congratulate elsa khanim on the award, here we see the frame of the awarding, it was very solemn, and this person, i know, he is not from our current unit, from another one, but a long time ago. there was a blockade, these are our guys from the 48th, well, all our guys here have nothing to say about it

of different units , there were also chechen fighters of the armed forces of ukraine, but here is mrs. elizara, who simply inspires pride, nothing more, they are all heroes, yes, this, this, it is very nice, it is very important for ukraine, in fact, to see to what extent... we are able to share the best with each other, share important things and ideals with each other, and... well, to be honest, this is what the crimean peninsula should look like in an ideal for me, just an ideal of coexistence of religions, peoples, ethnic groups, and this is wonderful, we are two absolutely normal peoples, and a single political nation, and when you see a cross on the chest of muslim military personnel, it does not surprise anyone, and

in general, no one even thinks about it, because we are normal people, in contrast to the same russia, for example, where everyone hates everyone, in us it is the opposite, here a wounded fighter, a very cool person, by the way, a scout of our 48th, why are we saying all this, the most important thing, what we are reducing it to is that it is very important to support our military, in particular , military who are natives of crimea, the kremlin, and we remind you that our meetings are already on... based on the needs of the 48th separate assault battalion, in particular, in the beraber project named after noman chegovikhan. i'll clarify a little, the collection is updated, because during the hostilities, it turned out that the most useful thing for us now is to buy 10

communication amplifiers, which are extremely necessary for long-distance control. first of all, what allows us, you know, the entire army lacks ammunition, and this gives an opportunity when a battalion goes on the attack, and the 48th sb is an assault battalion, these are people who are not the bravest in general, the army knows all this , they are going on the offensive, and when you go on the offensive, enemy heavy equipment is coming at you , what do you have to do if you're short on artillery, like shells... or mortar mines, you have to hit, hit that equipment with drones, and the greater the distance to which we can send the drone, well, fighters 48, so that the more lives will be saved, the more effective the assault work will be, and therefore

i suggest to everyone who watches us, these are not random people, to join the gathering , you see... and the card number and you also see the qr code of the charge for strengthening the connection 48 15 of these devices need amplifiers, each one costs uah 72, and together it is uah 1,800, you see it on the screen, just write now, get your applications and order money, because now you just know it to your face. who are you, for whom are you doing this, these are people who are absolutely heroic, not all of our exploits can be spoken out loud yet, but you can believe me that this is not an ordinary unit, and we should be proud of all of them. well, let us remind you that, in principle, combat tasks are being carried out right now, in the 48th shb named after noman

chilibikhan, but in the information space of our country, appeared. in my opinion, this is a very strange manipulation, i would like to deal with it, and we will do it in the second part of our program, and now i will simply announce, with all the great respect for the two honorable interviewers and the speaker, these are servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine , we are talking about mr. gnizdilov and the fighter with the call sign tatar, i would like us to give a small piece of the interview that was recently aired. and as for me, as for me, maybe from insufficient information, maybe there are some other reasons, there was a little false information, because we just talked about the 48 oshab, which was formed, in particular, from representatives of the crimean tatar people, but for some reason , someone still has questions, but where are the crimean tatars and where are the battalions formed from them,

let's see, one of '. of wider opinions, which prevails in society - this, but where are the crimean tatar battalions? why crimean tatars are not fighting in battalions in donbas, why are they not preparing assault units that will liberate their crimea, why is there any idea that there should be any crimean tatar battalions, and supposedly we are like some foreign legion or something like that, we are citizens of ukraine, the same as ukrainians, karaites, except chakas. "i am a citizen of ukraine, i am going to defend, to defend my own state as part of the armed forces of ukraine. the vast majority of crimean tatars, if not almost all of them." natives, relatives , people close to you, your family, in the occupied territories, so when you say that you have

something to say about yourself there, i have only one request of you: take your entire family to the occupied territories, hand them over to the russians, and then publicly go and kill the russians, i'll just see how quickly they will come to your relatives, that's why these soldiers have the courage. to fight virtually anonymously, i want to add once again that i have no complaints and cannot have any complaints about the fighters that we see, the respectable people that we see on the screen, but this still requires an explanation, it really is not like that at all, and well, that's just what the facts say about it, and that's what we say, just not all people watch our program, unfortunately, but i have complaints about public television editors who present it in a provocative way. by the text, i mean announcements that question the participation of crimeans in the war, as part of the armed forces of ukraine, and this is a shame, it is generally inappropriate and

harmful now, the most harmful, i would say , in more detail a little later, yes, well, whatever they say, any game can be played both ways, and very manipulative questions also appear, and why in 2014 in... the majority of ukrainians in crimea did not support the crimean tatar resistance, and this will also be a big deviation, a turning point , if you want to say that, that's why ayder and i are actually in this studio to sort things out, and we will do it, you know that this is some kind of public suicide for us, i do not support such movements, with lips, tongue and other parts of the body , well, now we will talk about the military situation'. around the occupied peninsula and the waters of our seas, in connection with the studio dmytro pletenchuk, spokesman for the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, captain of the third morning,

dmytro, congratulations and glory to ukraine, glory, congratulations studio, congratulations to the audience, yes, very a lot like i spent a week on events, in particular in the crimea, we are talking about the destruction of at least four rather interesting ships. some of them are ours, stolen by the russians back in 2014, we understand that, in principle, on march 24, when the defeat occurred, there was only one expectation, but we, the defense forces of ukraine, of course, exceeded even our own expectations, and we we have four damaged russian ships. and, in passing, briefly, let us summarize this week from the point of view. naval forces? well a week is not over yet, two more days, at least, yes, so let’s hope that

it is still too early to sum up, but as of now, it can be stated in principle that the status quo has actually remained in terms of the vdc, in terms of large landing ships, but if not damage was inflicted, then up to five, to the five large amphibious ships that they still have... left, two more could be added, this is yamal and, unfortunately, konstantin elshansky, but he would be added most likely under a different name, or minsk, or most likely alinigorsky harnyak, because this is a separate detective story, how did they try to issue it in the future for the repair of one of their units, but in fact three units remain under repair, including azov, well, azov was simply under repair, and yamal has already finished it, as far as i am concerned. it is known, so yes, it is not that you can safely minus them, but they are not ready to fight, as for ivan khrust, that is

a separate story, and the stern part is damaged, accordingly, the equipment that was responsible for intelligence is also damaged, so in in principle, we can state this, record it as a fact, and let's add more here the su-27, which in fact... the next time the human factor worked, and if we talk about the russians, the inhuman factor, and during the combat readiness, which was declared to be increased, well, another, another air defense operator, wanted a medal and launched a missile accordingly, most likely, or we and landed or taxied that su-27, most likely it worked with the system turned off. a stranger, because it is very always visible, well, that is, everything is as usual, everything has become with them, mr. dmytro, i want to ask a question not quite about crimea and not

quite about black people. but it will be clear why unlike the black sea, which , to put it mildly, is already dangerous, thanks to you in the first place it became for the russian so-called fleet, there are seas in the world where they feel free. what do you think it means for a fairly powerful russian group to cross the strait into the red sea, i don't know how powerful it is, it's more convenient for you to judge it, but... it seems that it is, and it's happening in a region where world civilian shipping is being harmed, yes the so-called houthis, that is , terrorists who are probably under the control of russia, like everyone else terrorists of the world, and what is the russian fleet doing there and where are they from, what is their task, that is, we do not expect anything good from them, well, in fact, we should not forget that

yes... the political interests of the so-called russian federation, they are quite broad in the world, and this global south , as it is called now, is the north, and they have two fleets there, and the pacific ocean, but in any case, all this can be called such a flat shadow of the soviet fleet, although to say so, in fact, look at the history of use, there are especially no cases either there were no successful ones, so it is very, very difficult to say that the russian federation is a country that has some... quite powerful established fleet victories and that it is such a maritime superpower, their situation is now also narrowing opportunities in principle not only in in the black sea, in the mediterranean sea, as you can see , they also have a problem now, in fact, they can’t even get their supply raft across the bosphorus calmly, and by the way, two units

of these... er ships that were just entering, er- eh, they performed tasks in the interests of defense logistics, they are now in turkish ones territorial waters are stuck , and it seems that they will remain there, because , as we understand, the bosphorus, which is also called the turkish straits throughout the world, it is closed to them, respectively, through the mediterranean sea, they now have to go around all the way to the north, the situation in the north is not very baltic in them either, in the baltic, as in general. home, in fact the baltic is also now becoming the internal waters of the nato countries, and they do not have much in the way of maneuver in the world, so they can put more effort into other geopolitical directions where they can use their fleet, and most likely they will do it, returning to the issue of enemy logistics, mr. dmytro, the security service of ukraine in the person of mr. malyuk notes that after the successful

strikes on... from the security service of ukraine, well the russians stopped using this artery to transfer military cargo to crimea. nevertheless, we see that recently ballistic, hypersonic missiles of various classes, even modernized ones, are striking from the territory of crimea on the mainland of our country, that is, somehow they managed to accumulate it there. can we talk about the active use of the crossing and those of their vdcs, which we actively negate, which have no place to land a landing party, but roughly speaking, they can carry all kinds of scrap metal of a military nature. well, let 's deal with the technical characteristics, if it is necessary to overturn, for example, an echelon of armored vehicles, which is heavy, which cannot

be overturned individually. yes, and they need to be downloaded, for example, and translated, then yes, in this sense, the crimean bridge is actually already theirs will not help, because such loads are huge, they are already afraid to give and for good reason, because the structure of the bridge was damaged due to the impact of fire during a joint operation of the sbu of the navy, this is a fact, uh, what are these systems that launch these missiles, this mobile systems, they are actually on wheels... the base and they can move independently, and roughly speaking, if they go alone, well, the freeway can withstand such loads there, so it is not necessary to accumulate such reserves even in this sense, it maybe, well, let's be purely technical, he can drive over the same bridge, for example, there is a battery of these launchers, in the number of several cars, work out and leave crimea in the same way.