contingent, i do not think that we will wait for it, and moreover, i even have great doubts that we really need it, it seems to me that there was more harm than good, but the conversations about this contingent, they are very useful for us, we we should be very grateful to emmanuel macron, i am amazed that it was he who became that western leader, the person who called putin two years ago and tried to negotiate, but what is it called, he was cured, he drew very correct conclusions from the two years of this war and from two years... of attempts at western diplomacy with putin, and the man who was the main dove in the west tried to negotiate with putin already after the beginning of the great war, this very man became the first western leader who finally threw a real challenge to putin, and who, who accepted the game that putin was leading in one gate. actually, what was happening all the time? so, don't underestimate your enemies. putin has very strong points, and one of the strongest points is this. kgbnik, this is

the ability to hold a poker face and bluff. so he brilliantly knows how to keep a poker face, even with a very bad game. he's bluffing, he is raises the stakes, and unfortunately, the west regularly falls for this bluff. actually, joined macron. this is the essence of this bluff: russia intimidates the west with a direct confrontation between the russian army and nato. at the same time, in fact , the russian army, well, russia as a state and the russian army are madly afraid of this. they know very well. what will be left of them in such a collision, they remember the 20th year, when something was not shared there, remember this story, something was not shared between the towers of the kremlin, and they angered the wagners through diplomatic channels, they told the americans in syria that ours are not here, well, actually they are gone, the only battle between the russians and the americans in the 21st century lasted about one hour, more than 200 russians were killed, not a single american was killed, this is the technological difference between these... in fact

russia itself is madly afraid of a direct conflict with nato, but all the time it scares the west with what it fears, and it turns out that western leaders fear it even more. all this time they were playing putin's bluff, and finally the first macron took the lead and entered the meeting. what, are you scaring us with a direct confrontation? well, first of all, we are ready for it, and secondly, we will not even wait for you to strike somewhere along the suvalki corridor, and we are also on the contrary, here we are... seriously discussing, on the contrary meeting you to send a contingent to ukraine right now, and what do you say to that, and at that the marshes caught fire, in reality there was literally hysteria, it is even more important that this was said by the leader of a nuclear power, it does not matter what in france 60 warheads, there is a fundamental difference between states that have them and those that don't have them, and france has them, and here, for the first time, for the first time in all this time, someone started playing with putin before you... his game, for that we should be very

grateful, and it helps us a lot, precisely these geopolitical stakes that macron raised. if we are talking from a practical military point of view, then i do not think that we need a french contingent here, they have no experience of such a war, this war is terrible, there will definitely be losses in it immediately, and you can imagine how, what will rise in france and what will be done voters with macron when the first zinc coffins arrive in paris. therefore, i think that we absolutely do not need it, and well, another situation, if we were talking about sending aviation, if we were talking about the fact that they would send here at least one squadron of modern fighters with their pilots, yes, this would cost us a lot expensive, but for that we would have to bow down and it would justify everything, but if it is about the infantry, if it is about their military specialists, technicians, let them just give us iron, we will handle it ourselves. mr. yevgeny, you said

about the fact that for the first time the words of the representative of france about our victory, about the fact that it will be ukraine's victory, were heard. we, our viewers, are asking today whether the west is ready for the defeat of russia, because quite often biden also says that we will not allow ukraine to be defeated, but they never say that we will do everything to make russia suffer. defeat, or putin has been defeated, or putin's russia, well, in some configurations, why do you think our western partners avoid this? with all due respect, i i paid attention to this survey of yours, thank you for asking, it seems to me that it is fundamentally incorrect, the fact is that you operate with the concept of the event as a single entity, in fact, the collective event exists only in russian. propaganda,

it does not exist in the real world, and in no case should we spread the narrative of russian propaganda, just as many people in our country sincerely believed that there is some kind of subjective measure e. this war clearly showed that it does not exist. the west is not a single entity, the west is a bunch of different players, even at the level of countries different position, but what these countries have in common is that they are all democratic, and accordingly within the borders of each country, there is also a very different position, and in fact, let's say, the lack of a monolithic collective measure, it harms us more, than helps, but this is reality as it is, for the west. it is a gathering of a bunch of countries, each of which has a bunch of opinions, and not a single player, which is, for example, russia, because there the kremlin decides everything, moreover, there in the kremlin everything is decided by one person, but in no case can it be held here parallels, these are completely different worlds are arranged in different ways, therefore it is impossible to answer your question in principle,

whether the west is ready or not ready for the defeat of russia, because the west is both biden and trump, the west is britain, and france, and germany, in germany... in germany, even in the ruling coalition, it is annalena burbock, who is ready for the defeat of russia, and chancellor scholz, who is hardly ready for it, and so on, so we must clearly understand what we have, that our allies - this is not an entity, our allies are a large conglomerate of very different entities, with each of which we must build work in their own way, and some of these subjects are already ready for the defeat of russia and dream of it, these are, for example, the baltic countries, these are, for example, the finns, these are the swedes. these are the poles, these are the british, they are the ones who operate on the concept of the defeat of russia, and for them it is not fear, on the contrary, it is happiness, but meanwhile, even at the level of countries, there are a number of countries that cannot imagine it or are afraid of it , and unfortunately, among those who are still afraid, our

main ally, president biden, is still much more afraid of the defeat of russia than of other scenarios, and our business is precisely with each of these players to build their own. diplomacy, separate work and to make them understand that without the defeat of russia, all other scenarios will not work, that in this war there will be either the defeat of russia or the victory of russia, all the intermediate options that they might dream of, unfortunately, are not real, it will either be good or bad, and i am very glad that france now seems to be joining the group of countries that have understood this. thank you, mr. yevhen, it was yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. friends, we are working live on the tv channel espresso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching live there, please like this video and take our poll. today we ask you about the following: is the west ready for the defeat of russia? yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube, if you are sitting in front of

the tv, pick up your smartphone and vote. if you think that the western countries are ready for the defeat of russia (0800-211-381, no), 0800-21. 382, all calls to these numbers are free. next, we will be in touch with victor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, deputy head of the security service of ukraine in 2014-15 . mr. general, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. yes, good health. today, the sbu reported the suspicion of russian propagandist margarita simanyan for calling for the genocide of ukrainians, among the newly documented ones. the crimes of the head of the rtsha today tv channel, in particular, public institutions, calls for the mass murder of ukrainian children, campaigning for the continuation of missile and bomb attacks on the civilian infrastructure of ukraine, she was informed in absentia about a new suspicion under four articles

of the criminal code of ukraine: genocide, encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of ukraine, propaganda of war, justification of armed aggression of the russian federation, mr. general, what contribution do you think propagandists such as margarita simonyan made to the russian-ukrainian war, and will they all be brought before the court, well, i would like to be before an international tribunal, but do their activities now deserve the same punishment or for consideration, as it once was after the second world war, when german propagandists, hitler's propagandists. chile and were forced to answer for what they had done, well, not only not only german, but also collaborators who took part in spreading false information using their language from

the power of germany, they also suffered punishment in those countries to which they broadcast , that's why i think that semenyan and his company... definitely belong to that group of people who will answer to ukrainian society, to ukraine, to international society about war propaganda, about propaganda, i don’t even know what to call it, some kind of unrestrained, unrestrained, uh, unrestrained attitude towards one’s neighbors, towards one’s neighbors, so i believe that these are precisely the people who carry a very big responsibility, and look, in russia came a survey recently. literally today it was published, as i understand it, regarding

who is responsible for the terrorist act in crocus, in crocus, in crocus, and 75% of the citizens of the russian federation, to one degree or another , determine that this terrorist act is responsible ukraine, well, they don't just take it as evidence, they take it from propaganda. and to treat this sick society, we will also need to understand how to do it someday, so their responsibility is quite powerful, and what they are saying there in the direction of ukraine, in the direction of its citizens, children, civilians, you know, this is this there are already separate such things that simply record and confirm that... they are engaged in criminal activities, well, but we see, as you have already

mentioned this poll, which says that the majority of russians are divided dictator putin's thesis about ukraine's involvement in the terrorist attack in the kroku city hall concert hall near moscow, and against this background, russia accused ukraine of terrorist attacks and called for extradition. head of the sbu, vasyl malyukaim, the sbu called it cynicism that statements about terrorism are coming from the very country of the terrorist against the background of the anniversary of the release of buchi, and also reminded that putin is waiting in the gas, trying to appeal to the norms of international law, namely to the convention on combating terrorism, the sbu and the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation said in a statement forgets that it is putin, the officially declared international wanted man, in particular him... is waiting at the hague tribunal for the abduction of ukrainian children. the fact that russia is

now trying to accuse ukraine of involvement in this terrorist attack is more directed at the internal consumer, mr. general, or at external consumers, those leaders of countries who hesitate or try to play along with russia in order to explain to their citizens at the same time their countries, why are they under... russia in the russian-ukrainian war? i think that the foreign market is the same the statement and these messages were not directed, because it is really necessary to somehow justify and somehow convince those countries that are wavering that ukraine is engaged in terrorist activities on the territory of russia, everything else is secondary, they tried to do it for the domestic consumer, well, that's all they there are efforts to mobilize hatred towards ukraine, i

don't know what needs to be done there to stop their citizens, if they don't have some kind of analytical and adequate thinking, then what can we talk about with them, that's it a really sick society, in its vast majority, especially not so much accusing ukraine of this particular terrorist attack, but accusing ukraine in general of... the actions of the russian federation on its territory, in the occupied territories, they believe that this is the execution of some kind of terrorist shares, and this generally indicates that ukraine is a terrorist state, well , if for a certain number of countries there are up to 10, this is already clear, then for others, well, if they believe in it, then it is theirs . problem because international terrorism, it has, it has no borders, and countering

this terrorism requires international efforts, and if russia ever asks for help, faced with total terror on its territory, uh, it will not run to those countries that it is trying to to somehow convince, she will run to those who have operational resources and opportunities to counter this terror. and accusing ukraine and ukraine's allies, primarily the united states and britain, of this terrorist act, well, i think they will have to... a lot i will make an effort to establish some kind of relationship again in the future. well, mr. general, it is absolutely obvious that russia's preparations for the war against ukraine were sufficiently large-scale, long-lasting, and complex, and perhaps the most important thing that this preparation

had was the informational component, that is, we already started with the simanians, and it is absolutely obvious. that this war in the fourth dimension, that is , the information war, was almost the main one on the territory of the russian federation, on the territory of ukraine, the way the russians conducted their information campaign, we remember these viktor medvedchuk's tv channels, the pool of tv channels that the nsdc decided to close in 2021, threw them off the air, how do you evaluate the information now? well, the component that they are trying to use now, well , in particular through messengers, telegram, through various sources, that is, what do you see as dangerous for the information space of ukraine and how can we circumvent this danger? well, look, many experts are already saying that if we're dealing with

russia, we should stop trying to analyze the information they're releasing, it's easy for us. a priori, we need to ask the question that they are telling lies from the very beginning, what lies were not, partial, not partial, superficial, lies, everything, and comment and pay attention, we need as little as possible to all those things, then, maybe , perhaps we will be a little easier to perceive what is happening there, because they have very simple tactics, they mislead not only us, but also their citizens, well... and it is clear that the international society, putting forward there are many versions of events that are even possible contradict each other, and against the background of all these versions, they are trying to bury the truth, the real truth and the situation that is on the front, that is around these events, and this

is the biggest problem, i think that... the emotional security of ukraine lies primarily in paying attention and reacting to what is coming out of russia, because now there is a large-scale information campaign to discredit our army, to discredit the servicemen, its command, in part they are trying to discredit our various. e-e branches of government, and all this is happening in a complex way through a lot of sources, both through social networks and through various messages, well, first of all , it is clear that now everyone has heard telegram, and this one, and through the mass media, which, unfortunately , is still

making its way to the airwaves of ukraine, well, whoever wants to can listen and watch. so we just need to more productively ignore what comes from them. well, but we cannot ignore, in particular, the messages that come from gundyaev's church, because what they are doing can have consequences in ukraine, considering the old connections, and obviously the connections of many priests who still remain. in ukraine, but they profess this theory about the so-called russian peace, and what, this, this is a big gathering there, what kind of clergy there was, who was of the so-called clergy in moscow, when patriarch gundyaev spoke about the holy war, that a special military operation - this is a holy war, and it's just that we have to put everything on this holy war,

because we are fighting for our future, for our russian peace. it is clear that this statement was made in moscow, but every time such statements are made sound, every time we mention that some parts of this russian world are in ukraine, although officially the ukrainian orthodox church of the so-called moscow patriarchate, it officially said that they condemn what patriarch kirill says, and they have nothing to do with it, as you are now, as a professional... the possibility that old connections, some priests, as far as this network, this kremlin agency in ukraine, it is alive, well, it is quite effective. you know, it continues to act, it continues to influence for certain categories of citizens, there are regions that are quite heavily infected, first of all, i

would say, bukovyna and transcarpathia, and we will still have to, well, a little easier, now it has already started in volyn, but at the same time, these two regions , it should be quite such a powerful countermeasure, there are nuances, their own. its contradictions are international, and we still need to put pressure on the verkhovna rada, on the government as a society, so that they bring to the end that, even if it is not very not very acceptable, but which is already a law, and we have started the process the withdrawal of this pseudo-religious organization from our field, and what, what is necessary... in your opinion, what should be done now in order to, in order to, well, destroy this network, because this same network has been forming for more than one decade, and it is obvious that the special services know something about of these

people who are in this church and do not know anything, well, everything the service can do, it does, you know, there are more than 70 people who have already received suspicions and have already been convicted, their opportunity has actually been destroyed. promote in the mass media, there is an investigation on general contact in many countries, so i think that the service can be slow, but still do it, but the problem is different, the problem is that it is necessary to adopt a law that would normalize all those things in ukraine. if the situation in the uoc mp remains as it is and unsettled,

then what awaits us, i am not even saying not during the war, already after the end of the war, after our victory, that is, how dangerous is the presence of this church, which has more than 10,000 parishes in ukraine, this is a very dangerous situation, why, because... everything is factual, well, me already said that this is not a religious organization, it is a pseudo-religious structure that is actually used by the russian special services to destabilize the situation in ukraine, and whether those citizens who go there believe it or not, whether they think about it or not, but what they manipulate and this manipulation is actively used by the enemy, unfortunately, this is true, therefore... only complete destruction, destruction of the possibility of the existence of this structure on our territory, and destruction, such a harsh method is enough, because if we start

stretch and talk about religious peace, we will swallow all the consequences that remain from them for a very long time, we, this, so that, if, if someone follows this situation, then every week, almost every day. there are some conflicts about the transfer of this or that parish, and they are fighting for every church, for every parish, for every village, you don't know how this is, the last battle, and it really, really bothers me, why do the experts there bother me, why, because all these moments, they are postponed in society, they drag on and give their negative consequences, including. and consequence in society and at the front. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, this was viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, deputy head of

the sbu in 2014-15. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. please vote in our poll. today we ask you whether the event is ready for support. to defeat russia, yes, no, everything is quite simple, if you have your own personal opinion, please leave it in in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the west is ready to defeat russia (0800-211-381, no), 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, call, at the end of the program we will sum up. of this vote, ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, will be in touch with us. mr. igor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good

evening. mr. igor, let's talk about personnel rotations in the office of the president of ukraine, they are certainly not so drastic and those that decide the fate of the entire country, although, well, considering the fact that the two deputy heads of the office of the president oleksiy dniprov and andriy smirnov left from the office, it is difficult to say for sure how much their influence was on the adoption of the state. decisions, although it can be said about one person that he had influence on the president and on the adoption of state decisions, this is serhiy shevir, this is a person who has known volodymyr for 30 years zelenskyi, and actually went from kvnu with him to the presidential chair, this is almost the only person who, well, besides yermak, probably not the only person who has remained in the office

of the president of ukraine since zelenskyi's victory in the elections , dismissal, friend of zelenskyi, what does this mean? well, it seems to me that this is an expected story, because after the so-called assassination attempt on mr. shefir, he generally disappeared, you know, from the information space, very rarely commented on any topics, and there were, let's say, some stories related to him that well, it would be possible to connect with him activity in the position of assistant to the head of state, i think you know that such an objective story took place here, which was connected with the fact that what mr. shevir was doing, what he was appointed to this position for, well in first of all, this is communication with big business or communication with oligarchs, since this was his key task, it lost its meaning after the start of a large-scale invasion, well, to some extent, because the country moved to live, well, under completely new

conditions. and here is the presence of such a person who would could, you know, somewhere quietly behind closed doors solve certain issues, well , she was no longer, well, as necessary and relevant as it was, for example, from 2019, this is the first moment, the second moment, maybe there is an elementary, certain human tiredness, when somewhere there is a dull eye, well , from what this person tells there, what he advises, maybe mr. shevir himself is somewhere tired of the position he holds, perfectly understanding and most likely seeing that he is gradually losing his influence on the president, well, not in any context management, no, in the context of simply conveying to him certain of your thoughts, wishes, or your vision of what is happening in the country, and for some reason this story reminds me of a story when two people decided, you know, to go their separate ways calmly in an adult way, without any there are accusations, scandals and so on, especially since i am convinced that they have kept some kind of normal friendly relations there, because they have something

stronger than friendship, this is also... a joint business, and they say they share a house, a place there accommodation and many other such things that are theirs in principle are connected, that is why he, as mr. shevir himself said, he is leaving his post, but he is not leaving his post there from the president's team, he remains a friend of the president, but i think that as of today his influence and his ability to convey some, including an alternative point of view to the head of state, well, it is not that it is limited there, it will be practically zero, well, at least for some period of time, maybe someday, when the war ends, we will return... to some active political process, there will again be a need for it services, in his communications, but he will be able to do it already to do without a formal position. well, by the way, you mentioned the comment of serhiy shevir after his dismissal in an interview with the online publication babel, he said that regardless of everything you hear and read, i am in the president's team without options, except that he is the president , he is my friend, and this is much more important than

the position, - said shefir, well... as i said, shefir has known zelenskyi for 30 years, by the way, they once worked in moscow together, and serhiy shevir and boris shevir, they wrote scripts for kvnu teams, and they maslyakov and zelenskyi worked in the team, by the way, he rented an apartment with his brothers in mytishchye in 1994, but that’s enough by the way, let’s talk about the situation that is developing at... around the upcoming meeting between french president emmanuel macron and the leader china's sidzenpinnya, because in principle french foreign minister stephane sejournay flew to china, and in the chinese capital he said that the french are waiting for clear signals from beijing regarding the war in ukraine. let's listen to what stephane sejourne had to say. yes

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