the russian dictator's statement at an extended meeting of the law-enforcement board, where he promised to find the masterminds of the terrorist attack in the moscow suburb of city hall and hinted at revenge, let's hear what putin said. it is important for us to establish not only the direct perpetrators, but also all links in the chain of ultimate criminal beneficiaries of this crime. we will certainly get to them. and that's it. what i would like to say in this regard: those who use this weapon, and this is a weapon that is used against russia, it is already obvious today, must understand that it is double-edged, it is double-edged, but it is a weapon that putin believes should only be used by the state, by the terrorist, that is, all the other terrorist small groups, they should not interfere, and ... i

understand that putin is asserting his right on terrorist activity, including on the territory of the ukrainian state, and in order not to be called and not have this status of a terrorist, why does the world not call putin a terrorist and does not consider russia a terrorist organization like hamas or yedil, by the way, russia has diplomatic relations, for example with the taliban and with hamas. that is , meetings are held at the level of high-ranking diplomatic officials, but the point is different, i wonder why now, against the background of this hysteria in moscow, where all accusations are being made against ukraine, when even the partner in the authoritarian coalition, iran, informed russia that the needle, the needle vlash-nu is preparing to spend on the territory.

russia has some kind of terrorist operations, that is , putin has essentially driven himself into an idiotic situation since the 14th year, and he is this idiocy, he multiplies it from step to step step, each subsequent step of his multiplies idiocy, in fact, let's remember when there were such super-powerful strikes a year and a half ago on the ukrainian energy structure. at that time, many countries of the world appealed, first of all, to the united states to recognize russia as a state of terror, or at least a sponsor of terrorism, although, judging by such blows that it inflicts even now, by the way, before this very attack on russia , russia itself completely bombed the ukrainian energy infrastructure, and then the partners. especially the western countries, well

they block contacts with putin, but recognition by the state of terrorism, a terrorist, or at least a sponsor of terrorism, creates such special conditions for trade with such a country, and now the world community must think about the formation of the status of a terrorist state for russia with the restriction of any economic relations ties with such a state. well, but for now, while the west is thinking, russia is trying to use all its resources, both military, and informational, and human resources , in order to undermine the mobilization in ukraine, in order to fight with ukraine on on different planes, in different planes, including the information sphere, they shot videos with professional actors in order to undermine the mobilization. what can we oppose to this?

obviously, we are talking about those state resources or the resources that the state mobilized during the great war in the single telethon, as the head of the committee on freedom of speech of the verkhovna rada, yaroslav yurchyshyn, says, this year can be decisive for the edinyi news telethon, since in its current format it loses the trust of the audience, to quote yaroslav. what about at the end of the 24th year, it will not be demonstrated that the single marathon has changed the format, that there is a balance, there is bad news from the front, that people are regaining confidence, then we will have to think about the end, because we are now seeing, a downward track, the use of a single telethon , the exit track, the use of social networks, and then it will be even more difficult to explain to our international partners and our own people why we finance an ineffective information policy, why... mr.

volodymyr, for uh, two years of the great war, already the third year, why not after all an effective information policy has been formed, both for the internal consumer and... for the external, because for the external this task is no less important than for the internal, because the state approached this issue, let's say, completely bureaucratically, through the bureaucratic toolkit, she molded a bureaucratic structure that saws money, and not a creative, well, let's put it this way, er... system of creative resourcefulness for better coverage of the work of the state during the war. this, this is the main thing. in fact, this is a completely corrupt device, which allows

funds to be redistributed among influence groups close to the government, but no one bears any responsibility for the quality of the information product. what i need. it was possible to watch the marathon, it is an incredible number of factual blunders, complete linguistic illiteracy, sometimes completely frank freaks appeared on the air under the guise of professionals in certain fields, so here the state simply approached this topic through an exclusively bureaucratic mechanism, in fact it was necessary to be as creative as possible come up and let go like that so to speak, this is an opportunity for the channels themselves to form a creative product, and in this way we would outplay there, we cannot outplay the russian machine, because it pours simply incredible, it pours several orders of magnitude more money into propaganda than

ukraine, but let’s remember how many memes were born in during the war, which are more preschool than the entire propaganda machine named after solovyov or something else. a certain simonyan, so here it is necessary to give ukrainians the opportunity to express themselves creatively, but there is fear in the state, firstly, and secondly, if mr. chairman of the parliamentary committee tells us about the single marathon, then let him read her documents about ukraine's association with the european union and about our obligations to the european union. in the information plane, it is clearly written there about the rejection of state media, so let him start acting, and let him study european documents and our obligations to the european union, and not tell fables about a single marathon. if you would now recommend

to the authorities what to do in this situation , take and use the leaders of public opinion including for conveying information or, well, some concentrated information. for the western audience, because now we are talking about the western audience as well, about the audience that is in russia, they make some restrictions there, but still, this is how to unite people in order to achieve the goal, to report about what is happening in ukraine to a larger number of readers outside of ukraine? well, look, the service in the bank sometimes happens quite successfully information move. on international platforms, although, of course, over the last year this whole work has deteriorated significantly, but still there was experience, there was, for example, simon schuster, during the first weeks of the war at the bank,

that is, then they began to weed out very effective western journalists who, in general, tried to cover a more or less objective picture, but there was not so much in this picture. zelenskyi, and there were many ordinary ukrainians, the bank did not like it, so it is necessary to restore trust in well-known western journalists who would like good for ukraine, and want further good and are ready to cooperate, and secondly, we must start producing ukrainian , well, let's say media persons, writers. athletes, journalists, artists, cinematographers to various platforms, now it is most necessary for this ukrainian wave to roll around the world and bring maximum information about us and the truth about our life, thank you, thank you, mr.

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381, no 0800 211-382. calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's guests of our studio - they are people's deputies of ukraine. victoria syumar, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, member of the verkhovna rada committee on anti-corruption policy. ms. victoria, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. evgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people. deputy speaker of the parliament chairman of the committee on humanitarian and information policy. pariah committee on culture, science, media and sports, ms. yevgenia, i congratulate you and thank you for joining the broadcast. yaroslavirchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. well, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers about diplomatic relations, whether

ukraine needs diplomatic relations with lukashenka's belarus, i will ask, ms. and gentlemen and you, what do you think about this, let's start with ms. yevgenia? we do not have an ambassador in belarus, that is, there is only a representative office that performs certain functions to ensure contacts with ukrainian citizens who have found themselves on the territory of belarus, and in particular, for example, our children, whom we return in small numbers, they, in number move through the territory of belarus with the assistance of our embassy. thank you, ms. victoria, you know, i think that no one has any doubts that the lukashenko regime, in particular is waging war against ukraine, it was from the territory of belarus that russian troops entered the territory of kyiv oblast, and maybe i will surprise someone, but when in the 22nd year, exactly somewhere

there exactly two years ago, we drove into the territory of kyiv oblast and talked with people... who survived the occupation, many of them suspected that the belarusian military was also there, people, in particular, had such suspicions, they believed that , after all, according to all indications, they were not russians, so obviously this is the side of the war, precisely the lukashenko regime , i emphasize, i emphasize this thesis, so it is obvious that well probably not to diplomatic etiquette as of now, and... we must be clear here, thank you, mr. yaroslav, why diplomatic relations anyway, i will expand the question, because whether they are needed or not, but why, why these diplomatic relations - they still exist, they are not canceled, but we have to deal with them, we

have to take a position that will protect the rights of our citizens as much as possible, mrs. yevgenia explained why... a certain level of relations should remain, we as a country did not recognize lukashenka , we don't consider him the president belarusians, we consider him a usurper. in principle, for humanitarian missions, we need a certain level of representation in belarus, because there really is a corridor through which, by what means, ukrainian citizens are returned, and here we can take a sharp position, but what to do with the children who are... abducted on territories of ukraine that return through belarus proper, problems may arise, so in this case, of course, there are always feelings, there are emotions, there are desires, i don't know who is in ukraine, well, except for the former representative most of the expelled, alleged agent of the main intelligence department, yevgeny

shevchenko, generally has at least some relationship with official belarus, at the same time. again, the country did not recognize tikhanovsky as an official representative of belarus, that is, with whom to have relations, especially if we have a huge number of people who have relatives and acquaintances and the like, so here we have to proceed from banal logic, geopolitics is not emotions, these are only interests, if it is beneficial for us to have a representative there, not you, not recognizing this regime, then so be it it is necessary to act, of course. purely emotional , i would like to say, this is a country that actually surrendered its territory to russian aggression, but these are emotions, we need to protect citizens and what is beneficial for ukrainian... citizens, that should be the priority of our policy, well, just the same we can say that our citizens are also in the russian federation, and draw exactly such

a parallel that we need to take care of the 3 million ukrainians who went there to work for money in russia, and some of them live there, by the way, and mr. serhiy, we have a policy regarding these citizens, and there is an appeal the president in relation to the field, in relation to these citizens, that is why we should also take care of... these citizens, do we need diplomatic relations with the aggressor country that declared war on us, the situation is a little different, we no longer have diplomatic relations, we broke off diplomatic relations with the russian federation, why the mission, why are we actually asking you about this, because today lukashenko again started talking about the fact that belarus is preparing for war, he constantly says, he went on a working trip to grodno today, this. .. there, not far from the suwalski corridor, and started, well, closer to poland, rather, and started talking about what we want, we don't want

to fight, that we don't want to fight, but we are preparing for war, i'm talking about it frankly, do you want peace , get ready for war, i didn't come up with it, it was very correctly said, well , it says a lot, he said that everyone is sobbing around the perimeter. trenches, we are digging trenches here in order to transport hospitals, but lukashenko did not say anything that ukraine is digging riya, including in order to the territory of the republic of belarus was not used for belarusian or russian troops to enter the territory of the ukrainian state, as was the case in 2022, and victoria syumar mentioned that in the kyiv region... and they said that, that there were belarusians there, i heard from the military that some belarusians, or a certain number of belarusians, were there during the sunset from the north, or

at least from the south, from the south of belarus, to the north of kyiv region, and in the end, is it possible , ms. yevgenia, to demand from the world that lukashenko was you. co-aggressor of putin, because last year it was said that lukashenko could receive an international warrant from the international criminal court, among other things, for the same crimes that putin committed in ukraine, that is , taking ukrainian children and actually stealing them, but the warrant did not reach, or those the status of the self-proclaimed president, as he is called in the west, is enough for our... walking partners to perceive lukashenka as a sycophant and co-aggressor of putin? it seems to me that we are blurring the focus of our conversation a little, because we can talk for another half an hour

about lukashenka, and indeed , neither ukraine nor western countries recognize him, except perhaps hungary, which handed over agraman lukashenko and the ambassador of the only country of the european union works there as an ambassador, because pay attention, well , most have been demoted, and... the representation is its own, as well we recalled the ambassador from belarus, and well , this is also a certain argument, but you know, if they ask me whether it is necessary to have representatives there who will help our citizens return to ukraine, then i will say yes, it is necessary to have representatives there, and because it saves our citizens, in my opinion, we still need to focus on the fact that... to target the kremlin, because lukashenko is nothing without the kremlin, and we understand that, lukashenko understands that, and it is obvious that our common, our

common task has to defeat russia. of course, belarus can provide its territory and the next time so that russian troops pass through this territory, and ukraine just has to be. ready from all territories, yes, which border either belarus or russia, but it is clear that from russia, the danger is much greater. well, i am i agree with you on one more thing, that, well, lukashenko is not an independent figure, in fact, he is not the one who decides whether russian troops will enter the territory of the republic of belarus or not, the question is only about how ukraine behaves and whether ... ukraine is somehow in contact with belarus there and from the position of ukrainians, why am i asking about this, because it worries me, i also have relatives there and relatives live in

the territory. of the republic of belarus, but i am in favor of not having diplomatic relations with the republic of belarus until that time, then it is necessary to count only on the red cross, which we, well, let's be honest, do not fully trust, maybe i am to the point that there should not be diplomatic relations with such a country that is part of the russian federation, if we were to admit, to say that it is not at all now it is not an independent country and we... we don't have any relations, diplomatic relations, but let's talk about the situation that is created with the help of the united states of america, ukraine, the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, mike johnson said that will put the draft law on aid to ukraine to the vote immediately after the holiday holidays, which will end on april 9, according to him , the document will contain important

innovations for assistance to kyiv in the form of a loan or income from frozen russian assets is not excluded, this is a story about a loan or a loan, this is the same story that trump has been pushing for a long time, whether the united states of america, in particular the congress of the united states of america, will go aid to ukraine, that we will need to extinguish this in some way there loan or pay off this loan. ms. victoria, how likely and possible is this under the current conditions, and will it not become the main obstacle when considering the issue of providing ukraine with 61 billion us dollars? sergey, well , it is actually about the survival of the country, and i understand that the loan sounds bad, but the lack of help is much worse, and therefore, well, in our team, we are talking to

american politicians. different, and indeed, unfortunately, today it looks like trump, the republicans, will still draw this line, the line and, draw the idea of ​​credit the provision of this aid, i am not even sure that it will be 61 billion, they are talking about the amount of 48 billion, but in any case, first of all, military aid, military support for ukraine, support for weapons must be provided, this is critically important for the country today, and yes, maybe i repeat again, maybe the loan does not sound very attractive, obviously, but you know, loans can be written off even after the war, it is obvious that the provision of the military assistance package is critical, and here we would like to remain optimistic, our team remains optimistic that, after all, maybe in a somewhat truncated form, maybe in the format

of a loan, but still... this aid will be voted to ukraine, in fact , all the nuances that were there have been removed, except, probably, the key, key problem, problems of domestic american politics, unfortunately, ukraine has already become a hostage and has already become to some extent a map during the election campaign, this does not give us much optimism, of course, considering the really, well, so important help, which connection. states provided to ukraine during these two years, from which, i will say frankly, probably depends on the chances for ukraine in the course of the war with the russian federation, because it is obvious that the resources of russia, which, by the way, has reliable allies, unfortunately, in particular the same iran, as we can see now and the dprk, that's why we can

north korea is meant, that's why we... also need a reliable alliance, and in any case a positive vote at least for a package of military aid, at least for a loan, it will still be a testimony of american alliance with ukraine in the course of this war, which was announced from the highest stands the highest leaders, including the united states. mr. yaroslav, how do you perceive the prospects of the adoption of this law by the congress of the united states of america, the decision of this. after the easter holidays, because we 've been watching this drama for four months now, we 've been watching it for the fifth month already, and we see that there are no concessions or any steps forward yet, yes, i completely agree with victoria here , actually any help for…