weapons against ukraine and are even more afraid of the need to respond to moscow's next flagrant crimes, it is easier for them not to respond, and that is why they take such a wait-and-see position, maybe russia will somehow disperse, unfortunately, it will not be upset, this is just a continuation of suffering for ukrainians, for the ukrainian people , but this is not our own people, this is a foreign people, relative to what may happen at the summit, in this context, it seems to me, something similar to what happened in our relations with the european union, when we yes, you know, in portions gave opportunities, well, at first there was no immediate invitation to negotiations, but before that, well, there was something like... something like her

first step to an invitation, but for some reason it seems to me that this first step to an invitation to negotiations will be made at the washington summit, in what form it will be, well, for now, her western colleagues, diplomats, experts are working on it, and most likely, it will be such a half step, eh, well, you know, after all, it is more than nothing, so let's look and move ultimately, the next half-step to a formal invitation can also be expected in the near future, but for this we need a really clear and clear position of our western partners on this issue, which you and i, mr. serhiu, are talking about, we need to stop being afraid. that

russia must, i say, must lose in this war, the aggressor must be punished for his, for his, or rather, for his terrible crimes, and so as long as the states will think that somehow it is possible from this , to move away from this question somewhere and hide from it, well, bye then we will have such half-steps, that's right, i understand, until our western partners clearly articulate that putin's russia in the form in which it exists threatens the world and should not exist, and until russia will not go through the stages of de-nazification, demilitarization and denuclearization, well, there will be no peace on planet earth, because there is a dangerous country

called... russia, i would, mr. sergeyev, even to your three, with which i completely and completely agree, added a fourth de, which is called disintegration, just like this in this case, the world will really breathe a sigh of relief, because if in the place of this monster, earthlings, well, call it what you want, it is a formation. a territory of peace, social development, mutually beneficial trade, cooperation and so on will emerge, then the world will indeed turn upside down to a certain extent, but it will turn upside down in the positive sense of this word, because the key element of this axis of evil will actually disappear, china in this case is not such scary nuclear

threat, which is today the russian federation with china in the final analysis, taking into account its deep incorporation into the world economy can be negotiated, this is a completely different story, and this haunted, wild fascist regime that we have today in moscow, it really must be destroyed, otherwise we will constantly live in anticipation of another barbarism from it. the hordes nato secretary general jen stoltenberg proposes to create a fund for missing sound. do you hear me, mr. volodymyr? now yes, yes, thank you. nato secretary general jen stoltenberg proposes to create a fund of allied contributions for ukraine in the amount of 100 billion dollars during 5 years as part of the package to be signed by the leaders of the countries, members of the alliance at the summit in washington. let's listen to what jens stoltenberg said. before the meeting of

nato ministers in brussels. i welcome that the allies continue to make large arms shipments. supplies and equipment, but ukraine has urgent needs, any delay in providing support has consequences on the battlefield, so we need to change the dynamics of our support. we must provide reliable and predictable security assistance to ukraine for the long term, so that we are less relied on voluntary contributions and more on nato commitments, less short-term proposals and more multi-year commitments. as far as i understand, mr. volodymyr, there should be a consensus decision regarding this aid package of 100 billion for 5 years, because, literally, after stoltenberg's statement, peter sijarto's statement was made

that hungary will not participate in nato's activities to coordinate military supplies to ukraine. can hungary in this situation play the same role that... it tries to play in the european union when there are questions about our promotion in this community? well, here, mr. serhiy, two aspects, the first is the one that stotenberg is talking about, and this is again, a continuation of the same idea that we talked about, sorry, the west still understands that it is not possible to play anymore, that russia is a threat. for all of them, that in order to avoid this threat, it is necessary to help ukraine, and to do it immediately, to do it, precisely within the framework of the alliance, not only under, so to speak, the roof of ramstein, although this is

a great initiative, but it must be structured, there is no better structure than nato in this respect, and this is a big, big positive, and i think that... it is also a confirmation of our thesis that, after all, certain positive psychological changes are taking place in the west. this, by the way , is a clear signal, well, to trump and his supporters, that if he thinks that he will manage nato the way he wants, then it is unlikely that it will be so, and the europeans will be able to definitely help ukraine, maybe not on such a scale, but besides that, in relation to hungary, here and there you don't have to go fortune-telling, they will, if they can, i mean this orbán government and

all his henchmen, they will do all possible, well, things that would hinder us, but... you see, the situation is that it is possible to do without hungary, and if it is the format of nato minus hungary, then, frankly, we will not suffer from it at all, and i think that precisely such a moment will be key in solving this issue. mr. volodymyr, another interesting piece of information from... in the wall street journal, they write that macron held confidential talks with biden and scholz to convince them to change their strategy towards russia, and first of all, regarding military issues, and, as the newspaper writes, this idea

is radically different from the position that the administration of president biden has followed since the beginning of the war, avoiding actions that could lead to escalation. unnamed sources cited by the woll street journal also say that scholz and biden take roughly the same position, they don't want to risk nato allies not sharing into two parts, and one part could not become a party to the conflict. macron says there will be no need to involve nato or the united states. america, if russia targets french troops and gives such an example as french troops were in africa, and then france did not turn to allies for help. it seems that france will still dare to send a small contingent, or military

advisers, or in some other capacity, to the territory of the ukrainian state, what macron was talking about, could this encourage others countries? to act more boldly towards the russians and their actions in ukraine than we have seen so far, well, you see, mr. serhiy, this is a confirmation, another confirmation. with you the conclusions that these two countries are still afraid of this escalation in quotation marks, because in fact there is no escalation, but there is an absolutely fair response, a response that should punish the aggressor, well, i am not mentioning here the statements of american officials that that we should not bomb. russia and so on, all this does not withstand any criticism at all, this, i think, can be called that

cynicism of the highest kind, but you know, after all, there are already positive moments, as i was told today, i did not hear personally, but i was told that the us ambassador to ukraine at one public meeting used the formula russia's defeat, perhaps this is the first swallow ... which will bring us a great and pleasant spring, as to whether france should coordinate all her actions with other allies, or whether any other ally should do the same, and certainly not, well here in this case we can forget a little bit for one moment about nato and mention the united nations, this completely incompetent organization. if we talk about it in general, but here we can talk about its members and about the charter

of this structure, that is, without any nato, but only referring to the un charter, each country, according to the 51st article of this charter, has the right to self-defense and has the right to turn to any other member country of this organization for help, that's all... they say a fairy tale, that is, the ukrainian authorities, if of course, they will decide on it, because so far we only hear conversations about what we do not need any foreign troops on our territories and so on, so if our ukrainian authorities make such a decision to turn to france or belgium or italy or any other country, a member of the un, not a member of nato, but a member of the un, and ask for help. in this case, the un feels calm, continues to be afraid, as

it is afraid even now, and all this is done on a bilateral basis between the country that suffers from aggression, that is, ukraine, and those countries that want to help repel this aggression. this is such a simple, banal, calm logic, and then, all the more, you don't need to go to someone for consultations, ask for some. agreements and so on, everything is simple, if, mr. volodymyr, with the taurus and atakans you can still somehow understand the logic of scholz and biden, then it is not at all clear why our western partners do not give us a sufficient number of the patriot system, because today dmytro kuleba, being in brussels at a meeting of heads of foreign affairs of member countries. during this two-day meeting, he stated that international partners do not provide enough

air defense systems, despite the fact that they have have more than 100 such systems in their arsenals, the patriot systems tell us, maybe they could absolutely give five to seven of these systems, if everything is clear with long-range missiles, and why is the west delaying air defense, or are they after all. .. they are also afraid that this will lead to an escalation, that the ukrainians will drive these patriots to the border with russia, will start shooting down planes, bombers, and fighter jets, with which they bombard kharkiv, kharkiv oblast, well, mr. serhiy, i will allow myself to disagree with you a little here , not everything is clear with long-range, long-range missiles, that is, it is also defense, in fact, if we destroy... points on the territory of the russian federation from which civilian objects of ukraine are fired upon, and by

the way, not only civilian objects, which we the difference is whether they shoot at civilian objects or at our armed forces, we did not attack them, this is yet another fairy tale invented by some of our western partners, that it turns out that they can shoot at the ukrainian military, on what basis we country. which attacked russia, or why they have the right to kill our military, but this is a rhetorical question, it is a question for our great theoreticians who are sitting. in some western scientific and analytical centers, some absolutely absurd ideas are being sucked out of their fingers. , it's

not really about offense, it's about defense, it's about defense and about... preventing the bombing of ukrainian cities, villages, military facilities, whatever, by the aggressor country, so to call it attacks, well , my tongue does not turn back, just as the destruction of the same military facilities by the ukrainian defense forces are not attacks on the territory of the russian federation, but with our means, our uavs. of various types and types, as well as the destruction of infrastructure that works for the military goals of the aggressor, these are absolutely legal defensive actions of ukraine, although it concerns the territory of the russian federation, but in relation to the second part, of your question, regarding, tell me,

regarding... er, regarding the amount, regarding the amount of air defense, which, regarding the amount of air defense, which, which, which we should get, well, there is nothing to talk about here at all, you are right, you are right, this number of systems that are in the hands of our western partners is enough and more than enough to be calm that in the event of an attack by the russians, everything will be under control. but here again, this crazy fear that moscow might think something, it simply, well, transforms some of our western partners, in which, i repeat times, frightened penguins who are running on the ice floe and flapping their wings and are afraid

of what will happen in a second, we must stop being afraid, russia will perfectly... understand when the forces of our western partners appear on the territory of ukraine, when on the territory of ukraine, those weapons will appear that will really destroy russia's ability to inflict such terrible missile strikes on us, so it is from the same opera, as they say, mr. serhiy. you just have to stop being afraid, but you see, unfortunately, so far both the leadership of the usa and the leadership of germany are afraid of their own own, unfortunately. mr. volodymyr, antony blinken is afraid of ukrainian drone strikes on strategic objects on the territory of russia,

although he admits that ukraine needs a lot of weapons and it is absolutely necessary to provide ukraine with more military aid. let's hear what the secretary of state of the united states of america said. our position from the very beginning has been that when it comes to ukraine, we should do everything we can to help it defend itself against russian aggression. but we do not support or encourage ukrainian strikes outside its territory. but we have been talking about this since the beginning of our program. in other broadcasts, we talked with you about the fact that the western partners are afraid that we will attack those objects that, from our point of view, are important enough for the russians, for the russian army, and they affect the course of the russian-ukrainian war , our western

partners are constantly holding us back and saying that it shouldn't be like this, when will they understand? that there is a direct connection between what is happening in ukraine and what is happening in the rear of russia, well, you know, mr. serhiy, to be honest, well, to be honest with you, i have repeatedly listened to and read this, this piece from blinken's speech, but i honestly cannot understand his logic, that is, it turns out that russia can cause on ukraine... ruthless deadly strikes, and ukraine must refrain and thus provoke these strikes in the future, that is, if you do not destroy the enemy. then he continues to do his evil, nasty work, then i don't understand why

russia is so loved in america, and why it is believed that russia should to remain intact, the infrastructure there must remain in normal conditions, the objects from which missiles are fired there must not be destroyed. and other strikes on ukraine and so on and so forth, i.e., frankly speaking, i cannot accept this logic, it is something twisted and skewed, i really want our western partners to finally explain their phrases based on these phrases, i.e. well said such a phrase to blinken, well , please decipher it further, otherwise you just know it, the phrase is said like that, and it is broken, and then think what you want about... the reasons for such a phrase, it seems to me that journalists should be asked to try to bring this logic to

the end at press conferences, to ask, what do you mean, that is, how this, please explain, but i think that then there will simply be fewer such phrases, because they are illogical from the point of view of banal approaches and assessments, it seems to me that such phrases should not exist in principle, absolutely. exactly, mr. volodymyr, one more question regarding our closest neighbor belarus, lukashenko, who has repeatedly intimidated the world with the third world war, frankly admitted that he is preparing the country for hostilities, although he says that he does not want to wage war, but he is forced to prepare because everyone is surrounded by enemies, let's listen to what lukashenko said. i don't want to be at the end. during my presidential life, i still did a lot with my colleagues to make this country comfortable to live in. i don't want our

people to fight, it's for personal reasons, and we don't need anything for the state, i repeat this constantly, we don't need someone else. here, mr. volodymyr, or does something in this situation depend on lukashenka, that belarus will not fight, or is he already... what does he not control in his state? well, mr. serhiy, the question here is: what to fight and who to fight with? well, are there forces in belarus today that can do something on the battlefield. i will repeat once again, i do not comment on cases that concern our military, i trust their assessments, so these assessments indicate that, frankly , there are practically no units there that are combat-ready, prepared... for real combat operations, that is, you understand, it's one thing to run around firing range and shooting these empty

cartridges and doing puff-puff, and another thing is to actually fight and understand what it is. well, our military experts, whom i trust, convince me that there is no serious force there, yes. they can, the only thing they can do is to draw a certain number of ukrainian defense forces, that's true, but to get involved in provocations, in those things that will have catastrophic consequences for them, well, to be honest, i don't i understand, except that it is still extremely strong pressure from putin, etc., when lukashenko will have nowhere to go, but... i think that he has demonstrated all these years how much he really does not want belarus to be drawn into this war, because he perfectly understands what everything is for

it will end, moreover, for him personally, because ultimately everyone will understand that he is responsible, so i think, mr. sergiu, that this is, in most cases, a continuation of this line of intimidation of the west, do you understand? when everyone was already filled with scorn, this whole trinity of them there putin, medvedev, lavrov, and he also sings along, zakharov sings along, we need some new face, well, they found him, they found him, they said, father, come on, and father starts to invent something on the go, freeze, well, but, but it looks, well, frankly, from the point of view of common sense and logic, well, inadequate. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, friends, we are working live

on the espresso tv channel, and... also on our youtube and facebook platforms, if you watch us now on youtube. please take part in our vote, we ask you about whether ukraine will receive an invitation to join nato in 2024, what do you think, yes, no, eh, if you have your own special opinion, please write in the comments under this video. if you watch us on tv, put away your smartphone or phone and vote. if you think that ukraine can receive an invitation to join nato in the 24th. year 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next , we have oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the paris committee for the migration of refugees and displaced persons. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate you. mr. oleksiy, yesterday president zelenskyi signed the laws on...

reducing the age of those who are mobilized from 27 to 25, a law that was adopted by the verkhovna rada 10 months ago and the president did not sign it for a long time, he signed this law, besides, they are entering, they must enter the effect of the norm about the creation of an electronic office of conscripts, well , the concept of limited suitability for the mobilized is abolished, how will all this affect mobilization in ukraine. without the adoption or with the postponement of the adoption of the law on mobilization, i congratulate everyone once again, regarding these laws, how will it affect, well , the mobilization potential is definitely expanding, because new people can be involved in this, by the way, i did not vote for this law , and then some months ago, due to the fact that at that time i had already submitted a bill on defining the term

services and i have a very simple position: i am in favor of mobilization, but when it is combined with demobilization, well, you can’t only recruit people and not let anyone go, if you want to recruit more people, then let go at least one of those who have been fighting for the third year, determine the term of service for those who are fighting now, and for those 25-26-year-olds who will now be called up, this issue is important for them, for their families, well, the number one issue facing the state. but no one is solving this issue, and this is absolutely wrong, and another law signed by zelenskyi is about liquidation of the so-called category of limited-fitness, which means that not only this norm is there, but this norm will have the greatest social impact, on people, on the army, and so on. i understand, there really is a huge problem, well, maybe not all viewers understand what we are talking about, i

will explain very quickly, but... the military is there, for example, after an injury or simply there after an illness, it can all happen, they undergo military training - the medical commission, the military medical commission determines the military fit for service, unfit, or limited fit, and this category limited-fitness, unfortunately, there are thousands of such people in the army now, there are a lot of them, and this is a problem, because when there were not many of them, you could still find full-time positions for them, not in attack aircraft, not in the infantry, somewhere in... in the headquarters, in the rear, in logistics, in support and so on. when there were so many of them, they were simply taken out of the state, and what is being taken out of the state, they began to receive 600, 700, 800 hryvnias per month, well, this is just bullying, people cannot live on this, but no one from the army let go as recently as last year, i introduced a bill to give the right to demobilization is limited to the fit, well, it was not even considered. last year it was possible to achieve, this is also my draft law,

payment of uah 20,000,100 for one of the categories of persons with limited fitness after being discharged from the state after being injured, but for many, well, this did not solve everyone's issue, and now this issue is being resolved in such a way that limited fitness is not will be, that is, by the end of this year, all those with limited fitness will come again to the military medical commission, which will recognize them as either fit or unfit, and the key here is that that again, i did not vote for this law, but for the following reason: our vii... medical commissions, unfortunately, do not work very well, and they, i apologize, but in principle all are suitable, and now, if now the limited fit will be transferred and 95% of them will be found fit and only 5%, for example, will be found unfit and allowed to demobilize, and the rest will be told, now you are fit, and now you can go to the infantry, to the attack aircraft, and so on , then it can have simply

catastrophic consequences for these people. and you you understand what we are talking about.