this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, once again i congratulate you all and wish you all good health. in the course of this program, i remind you, we conduct a survey and ask you about the following: do you approve of the activities of the verkhovna rada of ukraine? yes, no, please vote on youtube or with the button yes or no, if you watch us on tv, please vote by phone numbers, if you approve of the activities of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, 0800 211 381 no on... 382 all calls these numbers are free, vote at the end program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we are in touch with valentin badrak, director of the center for army conversion and disarmament research. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. mr. serhiy, i congratulate you and i am very glad for the invitation. first of all, mr. valentin, a fairly simple question, it would seem, but at the same time it is difficult. zelensky said that the russian... federation is planning an offensive from

may to june, or in may-june, and the prospects for the deployment of the front, as far as it probably now under the current conditions, do the russians have enough strength for this and in which areas of the front is this possible? very interesting question, and my center, the center for army, conversion and disarmament studies already made a statement this morning about ... before that, and that this is part of another special operation, or rather, this special operation, it 's been going on for a long time, and it's actually about that we are observing the peak, such a peak part, the peak, yes, of an informational and psychological operation, which is directed primarily, well, of course , against ukraine, but primarily against the west, why did such a belief appear, let's...

compare, let's not say detached from something, but let's say, well, so to speak, let's try to analyze, the first moment, as soon as during the negotiations with sergei shoigu, this, i will remind, the minister of criminal of the putin regime, sébastien lecorneau with the minister of defense of france, as soon as the issue of the introduction of french troops began to be discussed, the shoigu spoke about what would suit, well , the istanbul peace initiative, let's say that this means that it is quite possible, what the kremlin is bluffing and playing such a rather interesting game of raising rates. on the one hand

, we are talking about increasing pressure, we remember that it was announced that 300,000 would be mobilized at the beginning of june, once, further, it is interesting that the ministry of defense stated that the russian ministry of defense stated that after the terrible terrorist attack, which was... as we see, now we see that the results of the terrorist attack were very necessary for the putin regime and all this organized criminal criminal group , and that it turns out that according to the statement, the number of people who want to sign a contract, go, go to the army has increased dramatically. ah, this is one, one side

of the issue, the other side of the issue, ah, there is no, uh, time and no possibility, in putinsky's regime , to prepare the mobilization contingent that they are counting on to attract. let 's remember that these are 150,000 recruits, yes, about the draft, putin has already signed, s... put his signature, and now the recruits, and by the way, it is very important that there is no such clear understanding whether the recruits will be included in these 300,000, but one way or another, even under the conditions of the involvement of training centers in belarus, even under the conditions of the involvement of 16 deployed training centers on the basis of higher educational institutions, which have been done since 22...

the kremlin has no chance to prepare a shock fist , well, at least until september, in fact, although we say... that of course the offensive may well be completely without problems for the putin authorities, it may take place before the july nato summit, and putin really needs to speed it up, so the game is on speeding up, now the question is, why is the game speeding up very simple: extremely important negotiations are currently being conducted by china, and china, i... i want to pay special attention to xi jinping's negotiations with mark rutte, this is the temporary, but prime minister of the dutch government, with whom they were very, well , normal, probably because we don't know what level of negotiations there was, but

there was a very harsh statement, the statement was that global cooperation is better than global confrontation, and even with... it was given that the largest european company, which is precisely the netherlands a company that prints equipment for production, let's say yes, 14 nanometer chips and cooler, yes, more cooler, and she left china, along with two british companies, by the way, very powerful in microelectronics, on top of that, on top of that... on top of that, the eu imposed sanctions on china, and for china, it has become a very, well, urgent question to support putin and return europe, the european union, return to economic cooperation, because the economic

decline that is currently being observed in principle is being observed in china, it gives every reason to say that as long as he... , china will not be able to implement its own ambitions, in particular regarding taiwan, why taiwan, let's remind you, taiwan is needed, because 90% of microelectronics, including chips, that is 14 nanometers and more cool, is taiwan, 90% of world production, and therefore it is extremely important for china to return it, and therefore china a series of negotiations. spends with mark rüdte, let me remind you, about spent, now it's olaf scholz's turn, who is supposed to go to beijing in april, at the end of april, and then zintpin himself is supposed to come to paris to see macron. that's

what it's really about, that actually the negotiations are very powerful and very serious continue, and continue, they are not the same as behind ukraine, no, this is not the way it should be. that question, the question is that china is playing russia as much as possible now and is trying as much as possible to solve its problems together with russian ones, promising, well, large-scale cooperation, i am not talking about, well, very shameful things, well, for example, france is holding secret talks with rosatom about production of nuclear fuel, and at the peak of the fact that macron is now... well, actually taking over the leadership in europe and trying to displace well, not to displace, to get rid of too much influence of the united states, and dreams that

not american nuclear fuel, but french-russian, will be after the war, they are already thinking about what will happen after the war, which means that the negotiations... we are the so-called peace talks in quotation marks, of course, because for us these are deadly negotiations, deadly dangerous, because just give putin a breather, and in the 26th year, a maximum-scale offensive strategic operation will be ready, which will absorb ukraine and, well, probably , part of the countries central and eastern europe. this is how the situation looks like, so mr. valentin, look, but on the other hand, a meeting of the ukraine-nato council was held these days, and jen stoltenberg, the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, said that a lot more needs to be done by nato allies in order to

to support ukraine, by the way, he also mentioned this possible russian offensive in may-june, let's listen to what stoltenberg said. we see a constant military build-up in russia, we see them getting shells and weapons from north korea and iran, a significant amount of weapons and ammunition, we see, has been able to put its economy on a war footing, and we see how moscow is willing to pay a very high price in terms of personnel and equipment for minimal gains on the battlefield in ukraine with a low or zero respect for human lives. this is why the situation on the front line is so difficult and why we must do more from nato allies. mr. valentine, when are you ready? russia

must be defeated, not like them expressed, there is no need to support ukraine so that it does not suffer defeat, that is , do not talk about the fact that ukraine can or cannot be defeated, but that we must destroy putin's russia, because it threatens not only ukraine, but the whole world. mr. sergey, let's... let's decipher stoltenberg's words, in fact the nato secretary general says absolutely in ten, yes, the only thing behind this, yes, well , let's go in order, yes in turn, first, he says about a possible quick offensive, this quick an attack that might actually happen at the end may at the beginning of june, it depends on the results of china's negotiations with the french, with the germans, this is the situation. but maybe, maybe, but it will not be ready, i am absolutely

convinced that the personnel and equipment will be completely inadequate, or rather, will not be completely ready for a successful strategic offensive operation, but russia is bluffing, why is it bluffing, because we are with you now we do not mention one nuance about which stoltenberg is silent, the publication... the politician said about it yesterday, well today we read that it is about the internal ukrainian crisis, it is about putin's use of the political crisis in the united states, everything is clear about the united states, we will not comment here, because there they will delay as much as possible in order to limit the opportunities and play along with russia, but i have to say about the internal one, because this is what is happening around. today, the authorities of ukraine are very much being used by the enemy, and this is the case of artem shill and

the case that requires clear answers from the head of the president's office and the entire bank regarding what was happening in ukrzaliznytsia at the time when the current oleksandr kamyshyn, minister of strategic industries and industry, managed ukrzaliznytsia. we have to find out about this, and further trust in zelenskyi will depend on it, unfortunately, i have to state that in expert circles, i will not be for everyone here, in expert circles, now the figure of zelenskyi, unfortunately, has equaled the figure of petro poroshenko, let me remind you that petro poroshenko , in the imagination of people who are able to think, is a person who failed to fulfill... the mission of the president, completely failed and changed it for something else, and today, well, we know, there is

some social research analysis center here, i won’t even quote, they write that the rating for zelenskyi has decreased by 20%, it is possible that this is some kind of internal operation, because when it happened is unclear the name and some new name of an expert organization that no one has heard of somewhere... in recent years, and suddenly it discovers something, it can be anything, yes, there will be manipulations, there can be any, but mr. valentin, corruption is nowhere to be found it doesn't happen under zelenskyi either, if you didn't they talked, there, obviously, this, these numbers also indicate that the level of trust in zelenskyi is also falling, we should put an end to our conversation, thanks to valentyn badrak for the conversation, it was valentyn badrak, director of the center for army, conversion and disarmament research, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently

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from starting our conversation on time, look, the meeting was held today. ukraine-nato council and jen stoltenberg stated that there are currently two scenarios for the development of the russian-ukrainian war. the first, according to him, is that nato allies will be able to mobilize enough support, ukraine will be able to recapture more territories. the second scenario, we will not be able to do this, there is a real risk that russia will seize more territories, we will be in an even more dangerous situation, the only way to achieve a just and lasting peace for ukraine is the presence of strong ukrainian armed forces. how are you? are you following the activities and actions of the north atlantic alliance, what scenario are they following now? well, i have a feeling that mr. stoltenberg is saying goodbye to his position and is trying to do at least something in the last months or weeks of his tenure as head of nato

in order to write himself down in history as a person who achieved. some fundamental decisions, unfortunately, with his leadership, nato has not been able to do anything global for ukraine, this can already be stated, and even the fact that he is talking about two scenarios means that nato is still standing at such a crossroads, and less he is thinking about how to achieve a victory for ukraine, but he is thinking more about how to prevent... further escalation, that is exactly what he was talking about today. dmytro kuleba, who participated in the council meeting ukraine-nato said that the partners have provided ukraine with insufficient air defense systems, in particular the patriots, given the scale of the russian war, this interview was conducted by the reuters agency, and according to kuleba

, it is only a matter of political will, meaning provision. of these air defense systems. let's listen to what kuleba said. if we look at the total number of patriots, which are at their disposal, the countries that are part of the ramstein group, for example, or let's call them friends and partners of ukraine. i see over 100 of them. so the question is, with all due respect, is it such a big deal. is it impossible to provide ukraine with the minimum request it has, from five. up to seven patriots, depending on how generous our friends will be. well, later there was information that germany started searching for these air defense systems for ukraine. do you think that our western partners will find a sufficient number of air defense systems, well, at least to cover the cities of millionaires? well

, you know, today is probably such a day for me, after i read all these informative posts. a day of such unjustified , perhaps anger, because it seems that there was no war for two years, you remember, in the first months of the war, we wrote posters, wrote letters everywhere to all international organizations, where we could knock on doors in order to and they asked our western partners to close the sky, do you remember this big action, so it has passed, two years have passed, and now they want somewhere... how to say in russian to look under the table, do they have some patriots left somewhere that they don't need now, well, it looks very strange and looks, excuse me, even too cynical, because these systems should have been in ukraine a long time ago, it's about political will, it's about the fact that very

many countries, unfortunately, and this is especially true, it must be stated now. the united states of america did not show enough political will to do everything to help ukraine fully. yes, we are grateful for the help that was provided and is being provided, but this help, unfortunately, is not enough. a lot has been said about it, a lot from the high stands, here we must give due credit to the leadership of ukraine, it is constantly being aggravated. attention, but nevertheless, so far there is no such desire to see victory in ukraine, i get the impression that, well, but they are already talking about the fact that the world itself... is in a pre-war state, the minister writes about this british defense minister grand chaps in his column for zetegraph, he says

that it is necessary to think about the future of nato, which mr. chaps wrote. we have passed from the post-war world to the pre-war world. russia threatens our neighbors, china is on the move, becoming more aggressive, iran is using its proxies to cause regional chaos from the middle east to the eu strait, north korea is constantly rattling its nuclear saber, these malevolent forces are increasingly coming together, and our democracy found herself under their sights. the minister called for three things to be done urgently: redouble efforts to support ukraine, increase spending on nato and its defense, and strengthen the euro-atlantic defense sector. unfortunately, there is no fourth point to which we we count on ukraine's invitation to the north atlantic alliance, well, because... given that nato officials and representatives of the countries, members of the north atlantic alliance, what do they

articulate, does this mean that we will constantly be in the role of petitioners to be accepted into the north atlantic alliance - the atlantic alliance, to give us anti-aircraft systems, to give us more weapons, although, well, they themselves say that the post-war world has passed to the pre-war one, and this should be certain for them too... well, that's the point a huge mistake, because in the world already in martial law, they overslept the beginning of this martial law and they overslept, let me remind you of 2007, when putin actually very clearly spelled out all his plans, which he is going to implement. after 2007, i don't want to take up time now, you will remember how many events. happened, starting with the way

british citizens were poisoned here by a strange coincidence of circumstances on the territory of great britain, how cyberattacks took place on certain countries, how russia interfered in elections in certain countries, all this happened, and it is part of a big global war, just nato until now... nato and certain representatives of the west until now, you know, it seems that they are sitting somewhere under the table and do not feel reality, that is, they do not understand that the war was declared a long time ago and it has been going on for a long time, that is, the world no longer in a pre-war situation, the world is in a war situation, by the way, the head of the czech foreign ministry, jan lipavsky, in an interview... dochevelya said that nato and the eu need to discuss a strategy for ending the war in ukraine, what did mr. lipavskyi: joint debates about

our strategy towards russia are not conducted in nato, not in the eu. i consider this a mistake. i think we should have that debate. during such a discussion, it is necessary to discuss how the war in ukraine should end. the minister emphasized that ukraine should have the right to vote when deciding on the future. peace with russia. lipavskyi spoke out against the freezing of the war, which, in his opinion, would not bring a just and lasting peace to the european continent. there is one thing missing in all these discussions offered by stoltenberg, lipavsky and grand shabs. it is not clear how the western partners see the defeat of russia, what, what, what will be considered, what they will consider as a defeat. perhaps the articulation of this and that goal would somehow make it easier for them to decide on that, and what actually needs to be done for this? well, you see,

a lot depends on the position of the united states of america and on what joe biden's closest advisers advise him to say and not say and how to act in the election campaign. actually, this strategy is about... about controlled escalation, which the united states of america constantly has, as a model for similar actions, when there is no definition of how to act in a specific situation, just gives an excuse for other countries to fluctuate with the party line, as they said before, and here, by the way. the position of the czech republic is more balanced. you will remember that the president of the czech republic, peter pavel, still followed

a very simple path, he left. by means of material, specific material assistance to ukraine, that is, he is looking for money to get the appropriate weapons and transfer them to ukraine, as quickly as possible, that is, he is showing exactly what he is doing, and the czech republic is now showing exactly leadership positions, in contrast to the way we now accept, for example, france, that is , we applaud france, we support, there we clap our hands, says... "my god, how cool is the president of france, macron, who is ready to send troops to ukraine, nevertheless, france is in the eighth place, month, place, in terms of support for ukraine and with the transfer of types of weapons to ukraine, then maybe it is better to start with some substantive negotiations, and only then proceed to some public debates. and one more event, which, about

which he announced today. and the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radysław sikorski, announced that nato countries have created a joint mission in ukraine. about quoting mr. sikorsky. we decided to create a nato mission, and he clarified that the creation of a mission does not mean nato's direct entry into an armed conflict, but it means that we will now be able to use nato's coordination, training, and planning capabilities to support ukraine, in order to to coordinate their activity in russia is just burning, what do you say about it, this step will somehow give the opportunity for ukraine to feel more confident, i repeat, this is so far puffing up the cheeks, that is , when russia systematically deploys the military industry there and builds up this military machine to destroy ukraine in the future, when

it somehow... uses parts from the western world and can to allow the production of up to several dozen long-range missiles per month in nato, so far they are thinking and discussing some mystical missions, and moreover, 100 billion sums in 100 billion for 5 years is 20 billion per year and which, by the way, is not approved, it should supposedly be approved at the summit in washington, and it will be given to us there like a sweet pill, instead of inviting ukraine to nato, it has already become clear to everyone, everyone knows, and accordingly, it is not the instrument that , unfortunately, can replace our accession to nato. thank you, mr.

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the future of ukraine is in nato, the secretary general of the alliance and western leaders repeat about it, but what is the future of nato itself, how is nato arming itself and actually reloading due to russia's aggression? and what kind of help is promised to ukraine, we are talking about it on the bbc live from london, i am yevgenia shytlovska. the fact that ukraine needs more weapons, nato says they understand, they promise long-term support. these are the results of the meeting of representatives of the countries nato, the ministers of foreign affairs, the country of the alliance, gathered in brussels, when nato celebrates its 75th anniversary, of course there were celebrations.