chosen, let's run, they don't change horses at the crossing, yes, it's possible, i'll just add , it seems to me that you 're imagining all this a little idealistically, er, taking deputies somewhere to the training grounds, passing without a permit, well, i have a rough idea of ​​how they're going to go through that bezvp, how it's going to end for them, where they 're going to spend the night, where they're going to sleep, let's not play these some eh just like a picture on... no, come on, friend, friend, come on, i'll make an agreement, and then you continue, i think we live in conditions of a brutal war, where guys die every day, and to create some conditions there, motivation for the deputies so that in the end they begin to effectively perform their work, why i, as a military serviceman 24x7 365 days a year. oh, and the deputy can

afford to be in the session hall there after lunch, not to be in the session hall, where he will do what he does, what he does, you can simply evaluate all this, how many meetings were held, what was his efficiency, what he there are legal projects under there, i'm not a lawyer, i can't evaluate it, but i'm sure there are the criteria by which you can evaluate the effectiveness of this deputy, it is ineffective to determine everything, the mandate of the table, goodbye. mobilization, greetings, armed forces, everything, but this is playing, this is all, well, this is not the right situation, and it is not the right thing for you know, it will give them, it will give them coherence, because if who you are with, with whom you go through training next to each other, no matter how diverse your views on life are, it unites you, you support each other, you lead each other by the hand, you somehow work on this unity, that what... unites people, preparation unites people, and

vice versa, the more different they are in their political views, the more time they have to spend and be together, and it will rub them together, because if i do not have any means, and they you have them, i will learn to negotiate with you, so that you start sharing them with me, but what they lack, coherence, is that yes, you just have to take them away, you still have to lead dances alone. for one there and it will be fine, maybe then they will find harmony for themselves, well, if a person does not understand what is now, what is happening in this country now, what what is at stake is how many victims there are among the civilians, well, let's leave out the military, how many of the victims are among the civilians of the civilian population, and it does not make them feel that they need to work, well then i do not understand at all that these people in this country in general do and what they do. well, i am not talking about

all deputies, far from all, but a large number of such people who are accidental in the parliament, who entered with a monomajority, took their truskavet courses, accelerated courses and the like, and now they have come face to face with the harsh reality brutal war, and their paws trembled, well, let's not be this, leonid makarovich said: "we have what we have", we have what we have, mr. sharatsky, what... an unexpected dispute, discussion, let's not argue, discussion in our studio between the military, it’s a discussion, you ’ve been there and you understand what war is and you understand what it’s like to work in the parliament, no, not a discussion, right away they offer, well, simple solutions, once two, three times, well, that’s it, just who will hear them, textbooks are all, if only, and i would agree with any simple solution, if only one a simple solution, if it came led. us with

anything, in fact, has led us, at least half a step somewhere, we have actually been hearing about simple solutions for several years, everything is arranged much more complicated, but there is another simplicity on the other side, this is true, and the truth is that yes there are many random people, and the truth is that the apparatus does not function as if it could function, and this is precisely where political scientists and others should draw their conclusions, how to protect ourselves, because sooner or later the elections will be held anyway and it will be necessary reboot, and what to do, what obstacles can we put in place so that we do not repeat ... some situations, because

no one considered them. returning to the law on mobilization, there to the example and what we said, i personally, well, first of all , we have not discussed the faction yet, because until now there is no table or comparisons, there is no table, and i understand , if the committee meets on saturday, then it may not be there at the beginning of the week, it will be on monday, well maybe, but i personally have no desire to vote for this draft law, i will explain why, i believe that, as of today, we have completely enough regulations for... everything to work effectively, and here is another question, why it does not work effectively, it was mentioned that which the percentage of those who are on the front lines, this is really one problem, those who, since the beginning

of the full-scale war, have not even seen or understood what it is, those who are formally listed, it is really big ... the scandals that are now gradually being exposed from injuries, and with treatment, those characters who never existed, dead souls who are registered, this is a big problem, and since the 14th year, we haven't learned to do anything with the answerers, who are full of mouths, uh, uh, ... one, then , then the airborne brigade, the first company also enters dap, the second company refuses to leave mykolaiv, a month later they go to the congo, under

a contract, to work in the un, in the mission, the recusants, the guys who came to fight, say, wait, and why not us, because? six months of fighting, for example, a huge burden on military service law and order, they increase, increase, transfer to the balance of the ministry of defense, er, there are sanatoriums, transfer to the balance of some prisons, we have a big problem that has accumulated, and military justice and the issue of... there is no military justice yet, on the other hand, there has been a good bell as of today that maybe a military ombudsman will appear, because it is true that we have one category, that is

civilians, and the constitution and laws are all for civilians, but when you become a soldier, it's not all about you. because there is already a statute here, and what should you do, and that in fact no one is interested in your rights anymore, and no one will defend them, except for you yourself, or then there except for lawyers, this is also true, and there is in the existing legislation about branches, but it is not exactly about mobilization. it's not about screwing up the nuts, it's not about changing social relations, and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether 27 or 25 or 20, the first volunteers who went and died at the age of 18, and

students, who are now training and fighting, and no one prevents them, those who will be motivated, trained, they... will protect the country, and others will not, and when we started to investigate the issue, but how come, training centers certify, do not certify, give internal pieces of paper , is it still a military accounting specialty, it turned out that we have no issues with the officer staff, we are restoring military departments and so on, there are military accounting specialties. for officers, we do not have military accounting specialties for privates, for most citizens who come, they are then sent to training centers, several of them have been determined, where they will receive a military accounting specialty,

as of now, on the entire territory of ukraine, fulfilling precisely the law on national resistance and a number of others. there are still a few active, including in lviv, voluntary formations of territorial communities, which, following the orders and orders of the commander of the land transport and the commander of the tro , created a training center, i know that the dftg lev works in lviv, they created it turns out to be a training center, and that's it the training center there has more than 10 professions, but there is another question that they cannot issue military certificates. specialty for now, and we are currently trying

to fix these issues, but this is not even at the level of laws, these are internal procedural points that need to be corrected, so about the law on mobilization, if it seems to me personally that this law is unnecessary, we add pavel klimkin to our conversations, we are already moving to international, now there are many telegram channels... such ones are reporting, you know, well, about it in the second in the next part, we will talk with slipkin, there are certain rather alarming reports that in the next 48 or 24 hours, iran may attack israel, we will also talk about this with pavel klimkin, but let's start with stoltenberg's statements, there were many of them, at first they were quite optimistic for us about this the fund of many billions of aid to ukraine, then 100,100, and 100 billion, and so on, staltoner talks about what is in principle. two scenarios of the development of events, and one of these scenarios, well , actually from the mouth of the nato secretary general, well

, for me personally, it also sounds quite alarming, that ukraine can continue to lose its territories, if they do not find nato partners, i am now such a random quote, and if they do not find enough resources to help ukraine, how do you think, we are getting closer to this help today in the last days. which we are asking, begging our allies in the united states of america, including, are we moving away from this assistance, where do you think the trend is going, mr. klimkin? i believe so, welcome to all, friends, i believe we are getting closer, although this process he is so not easy, as others like to say. non-linear analytics, i'm already there, i haven't heard from washington in the last

three or four months there, but according to the mood, that's what i was saying, at least yesterday, there is an understanding that with help you need to eventually solve something, and that the hanging of this question, it really is. it is already becoming a problem, and going to the elections in the states themselves, with the aim of saying, what did it do for ukraine, this may not be the first question, nor the second, since there is an economy and a southern border there, but it is a question none the less , the second, well today there were also discussions, and the commission itself, ours of nakiv, but the main discussions were yesterday, today i also testified. but this is actually the 75th anniversary, well, there is something to witness , nato, but the discussions were enough,

meaningful enough, first of all, you started talking about the fund, i will come back to this in a moment, but there is a general, not yet specific, in all parameters , but the general agreement that nato wants to do a special mission is... certainly not a combat mission, but nevertheless, it will support both logistics and processes governance and processes of interaction, and this will mean that in a political sense, not in a military sense, unfortunately, but in a political sense, the ice is off the chair, as nato takes over part of the political responsibility, in our issue of nato. i always tried to loop around there, so between, the limit of rain, as they say,

but now the decision has been made that they will move towards this, the second issue is this fund, there various figures are called around 17 billion, that is, well, but at least 100 plus topics are being discussed, it is not yet clear how it will be distributed among the allies, which will be the mechanism to use it? what will be the mechanism of political agreement, this is of course not a decision at the level of foreign ministers, this decision, if adopted, is moving towards it, although it is... very difficult, this decision is at the level of heads of state and government, that is, or it will be to the washington summit, according to the consensus mechanism, or directly at the washington summit, and the advantages of this fund, on the one hand, nato really takes on even more political responsibility in

the ukraine issue, on the other hand, it is no longer necessary will... worry about whether there will be at least the minimum necessary assistance or not, it is not enough money, but it is, if you will, a guarantee that will protect us between possible political changes, and not only in the states, but and in europe, there will also be difficult elections, and nato management itself... will be 100% more effective, there are still difficult concerns and not only among our hungarian friends in quotation marks, but also, for example, among the americans, who say and if it is handed over to nato, how will ramstein work, there are already almost 50 participants, and how will we manage them

to hold and they are now holding on to american leadership, well and many more arguments, let's not ... waste time, so the discussion is still going on, but what i'm hearing from brussels, this meeting of foreign ministers , was actually very useful , as a rule, ministers gather, say something like that to each other, and move, move on, and it was, well, i heard from at least four people who were there that it was really a meaningful discussion, and... third the question that everyone is interested in is what will happen at the washington summit, will there be any moving forward, to be honest, i am very cautious about this, even skeptical, but this does not mean that you should, as they say, put your hands there, relax, and say, let's already write a strategy for the time

of the post-washington summit, here's how on me, with precision to... on the contrary, so if we say, the glass there is half empty or half full, well, definitely not half empty. taras batenko. mr. pavle, i have two professional questions for you. first, in our parliament not so long ago, a few days ago, there was a speaker of the national assembly of france, we had the opportunity to communicate with her, as leaders of the parliamentary faction, groups and then in the parliament, she was extremely brilliant, as far as i am concerned, we are observing that... france in recent months has become a front man in a number of issues related to armaments, the defense capability of ukraine, and not only does this apply to macron's statements, which excited everyone, but also applies to the fact that within the framework of ramstein france becomes the front man for a number of defense coalitions in the supply of air defenses, tanks, drones and so on, but in this context, don't

you think that everything- what is this struggle for leadership with germany? and in the context of nato, which you are talking about, is it not said that in the context of the upcoming american presidential elections, nato will be forced to become eurocentric instead of american-centric europe, and whether europe will withdraw nato, from this point of view, not to the detriment of itself and first of all for us not to our detriment. this is the first question. and the second question is in the context of american aid. well, the latest statements from speaker johnson. they don't add enthusiasm, well, they don't really cool down, they seem to go to some kind of vote, they are now again postponing these votes on specific financial assistance to ukraine, what do you think about this package, which in theory could potentially be proposed by johnson, will he accept the one we have adopted, if it is a purely

credit portfolio, because i understand that in this credit portfolio portfolios, we can already obviously forget, i have already spoken in this judge about... financial assistance, the budget of ukraine within the framework of 12 billion or 10 or 8 billion, how many months are left until the end of the current year, and it is obvious whether it is not will be for us, so to speak, well, let's say so, with that burden, well, we understand that we will get out of this situation, that all the same these are funds that will be transformed into weapons that will reach us and it's a matter of time when it will reach us, but the question of honor, honor and the question of america's strategic partnership, how do you feel about ... johnson's proposals and the effectiveness of their passage in the congress and the senate. thank you, mr. taras. i'm a fan of macron's statements, though. many of my friends , both in the states and in germany, say, well , you understand, pavlo, well, he already put our nato solidarity on a certain issue, and

it would be better for us to calmly and confidentially continue to discuss here, and the issue of the army, about the deployment of troops, and this issue has been discussed for at least 10 months, what i know, maybe even more, and the french are pushing it both professional and military. equal, but i believe that macron at the right moment correctly let this genie out of the bottle, and now this topic has public publicity and public discussion, and when they do not go on some professional-bureaucratic levels, and when everyone starts to draw another red line there, macron said a very simple thing, which i keep saying. well, maybe in other words, and which i sympathize with, he said, yes, fuck those red lines, we need to stop drawing them, let's work within

the framework of strategic positive uncertainty, if putin tries to divide us into what he wants, then and does, and does not draw red lines for himself, let us also say that we do not have such clearly defined red lines. and then we are ready to raise the stakes, but how will we raise them to do, it is our business, and i like this approach, is he fighting for leadership in europe, clearly, he wants to be the leader of a new strategic europe, he once talked about strategic autonomy, in my opinion, this idea can be buried somewhere there and start to talk about european strategic leadership, as far as this balance between states and europe is concerned, i'm in... a very big , again, fan of nato being built on two pillars, american and european, and they're balanced,

certain things are american anyway will remain the coolest, well, look at the american budget, look at what they are doing, and the third pillar, and it happened just today, it was a meeting with asian allies, the australians were there. the new zealanders, the japanese, and the koreans, and this is what really makes china nervous, when they say, so what, nato will also appear in the pacific ocean, and this is also the logic, let's not draw red lines, if you feel worse to behave, it may or may not appear, and i actually like this strategic logic, but what macron does is him does including in order to make france. one of the leaders, as for the package, it is not there yet, it seems to me that every two days something is being redrawn, rewritten, well, that is, i have not

heard anything, but now it looks like some of the republicans and johnson it is very important to include there, at least demonstratively, or quasi -formally, some part that can be... sold in the political sense as credit, to sell to your voters to say, well , there is such a part, it does not mean , that ukraine and the ukrainians will give it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, but at some point, when they can, and this logic is it, it is some kind of hybrid, whether it is such a positive hybrid logic, that is of course a question, but most likely a package that will eventually be agreed upon there ... to be put to the vote, there will be both, that is, ideally, aid should dominate and make up not just a larger,

but a dominant part, and some part should be, well, this is a mechanism that is like a lend-lease, but not quite such, that is, i will no longer bother everyone here nuances, if such a balance was in the american package and at the expense of this , after all, it broke through the blockade and they voted on it in the following weeks, well, as i understand it, there is plus or minus the 20th number, there is rather there for 20 - that number, if, well, plus, they just got out of this easter vacation, and for them, easter, for all republicans, it's holy, so it might not be ideal, well, we all understand that it's not perfect, i agree with you, but some solution that would open up for us... political help, and we all understand very well that as of today, the americans cannot be replaced , no matter what europe does, that is, sometime in

the 27th year... we can dream with you, count there in the 28th, but neither tomorrow nor the day after tomorrow, the americans will not be replaced by the europeans, that is why we need the americans critically, and it is very important that the americans really break through this package, then it will be an additional guarantee for us, we talked about nativsky this package, which is being discussed, but the american package before the elections would be so minimal for us guarantee we beat summary, the americans are critically needed by us, their help is critically important to us, we put an end to this on the air of the espresso tv channel, the great lviv speaks on youtube of the project, we continue to work,

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