you have a reason to introduce a military administration of the settlement, it’s unpleasant, but you don’t want to make a decision voluntarily, that is , i look, well, i look with optimism at the development of local self-government, the most important thing for me is this law, which provides for a system control, this is the demarcation and distribution of powers, why, because it allows you to calculate how much it costs and... most importantly, it allows you to transfer after that those powers that the state cannot cope with, even, for example, all social protection, that is state programs that are completely unsuccessful, well, childbearing support, a completely failed state program, so i guarantee that if the law will outline the tools by which the local self -government body can support this...

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ukrainian singer, tv presenter, artist, scientist, writer, public figure and volunteer, oh such an ironic title, but first of all, i think that if so... say anzhelika rudnytska wake up a person among at night, the territory will immediately say, and we are actually joining the airwaves. we are glad to see angelica on our airwaves and thank you. we actually called to talk to you about a project that appeared on the social media, a documentary project called russification in the style of pop, which many people are discussing now, and i actually wanted to i want to ask you, have you seen this project, what are your impressions? no. i didn't look, i didn't have time for it yet, yes, i understand your surprise, but i'm one of those people who don't rush to look, you know, when something is interpreted behind your back, you are discussed, i am always quite wary of this, that you

took it that way, as an interpretation behind your back, yes, because several films were made about those times and... they mentioned the territory, moreover, the organizers, the initiators there, producers, they signed an agreement with me for the use of footage from some territory, i asked them the context there, about what, but when i am not invited, superfluous, anzhelika rodnytska's opinion on this matter turned out to be superfluous, yes, that's why i am, that's why i perceive it as that's me well, i haven't seen it, maybe it's super cool there. context, but this construction of reality, by people who were not involved in the process, it seems strange to me, because i did not see there the founders of the red route, who resisted russian expansion, i would like, angelica, for

a second, i would like for our viewers , who may not have seen this project yet, so that they understand what we are talking about, were chosen as speakers there, i will list them now, and it also... raised a question, i just thought that you are not at all applied in the creation of this project, but you say that you applied, or applied for permission, to use the footage. so, they acted as speakers of the project. vitaliy kozlovskyi, kolya seryaga, oleksandr polozhinskyi, sasha buhl, maria tucha, oleksandr varenytsia, yevhen repchinskyi, ihor kondratyuk, viktor preduvalov, vitaliy bardetskyi, vitaliy portnikov, serhii prytula, tetyana mykytenko, yanina sokolova, inna sovsun, and volodymyr yatrovych. a few people on this list, i understand why they are there, but most of it makes me question, well, one of the questions is why anzhelika rudnytska was not there as a participant in the process that was taking place, that is... before the process when there was ukrainization and the actual process when ukrainian collided with the imposed

russian, well, if , for example, i don’t fit there, because i have too long braids there or something else, you could have taken a boy, he got a haircut, well, he definitely knows more than the vast majority of the listed people about what was happening at that time, and he definitely could , with his... analytical mental powers to tell about the processes that i don't know were taking place at that time. well, yes, it's a strange story, but once i was invited to one, to a big festival too, to a panel discussion about '90s fashion, and there was an expert who told me: yes, listen to what i'm saying, i i say, not that you are 20 years old... and you didn't live then, i'm a historian, that's enough to talk about fashion, i

say, well, then i don't know anything about the fashion of the 90s, i don't know, we her created, and you study it, but our opinion does not matter, well, look, it's a little strange, definitely, but most people have a very good opinion about the film, and such films are very necessary, there should be many, many more of them, and maybe in... is it my fault or the territory that we still haven't created a film about themselves, but always, you know, we always do something, the territory created a film about itself, it is strange, because there is a public broadcaster, people pay money for its maintenance, not so small, and we are a public broadcaster, respectively we expect that he is well if he does something that meets the criterion of completeness, let's call it it is, i think. that the legendary makarenko and

kulyas supported me here, because here, if we are really talking about someone, about and not taking speakers of the actors themselves, they are still alive, thank god, so we are not talking about the beginning of the 20th century unr events there, well , you see sashko poluzhynskyi there, well, well, but it reminds me of a situation not so long ago in january when there was ether, by the way, radio liberty. we are here and the servant of the people mezintsev, who is talking on the air with igor kuliushko, and kuliushko tells about how the constitution was adopted, and his basin interrupts and says: "no, it's all a lie, there was no such thing." and kulyuchko is like that, and the presenter says: "well, we've run out of time, okay, thank you, goodbye." and it turned out that mezintseva had the last word, no, it wasn't all a lie, it was the last word, but medentseva was 10 years old at the time, she

had just started school, and kulyushko then voted for this constitution , he was sitting in the verkhovna rada, in the session hall, but what does kulyvushko know there, there is a mezentseva deputy from the servants of the people, well, where are you going to hide, you know, as we say, when world organizations negotiate about ukraine without ukraine, we understand that it is bad, then in this context we should talk about the territory and... about the period in which it made a huge contribution to the development of ukrainian music , and ukrainian television, of some new forms, would be important, well , it is not clear to me, well, there is probably some secret meaning that i simply cannot catch to understand, and maybe i do not know to someone, i have good relations with society, because we do together, well that's not where we are... we see christmas projects in them, that is, i did not feel anyone like that, although

once a concert of songs of the territory was held in public culture, and most of the songs that were performed were to the words of oleksandr brehenets, who was a poet who wrote these songs and created them and paid for their production, and with him i asked him, did they sign usage agreements with you? he said, no, no one even applied, so it's a very strange story, and it shouldn't be, that 's for sure, and for now we can tell the truth and talk about it. as it happened with first mouths, we don't need to construct any stories, we need to tell from the first person, but it seems to me that we don't need to, this is what we're talking about now about us, we don't need to, because, because, because we we remember it as it was, and for us it is this objective historical reality, it

is important, but on the other hand, i just really have great respect for the creators. film, i know a lot of people, some people are there, well, it's really obvious, there are volodymyr yatrovych, portnikov, vitaliy, well, i understand that they are in any case in this projects should be, probably can be present, and i really love albert tsukrenko, who acted as the host and face of this project, i, well, we are friends, i am writing, it is also important, it is wonderful that we are now discussing exactly the project about the ukrainian culture, and... the question is, you know, let me, i'll try to put it this way, this film is actually to a large extent about russification for those who were russified, and maybe that's what, that's what we say, we, we don't have to construct reality, but there is such a problem with but, if we allow the term somewhat chauvinist, newly converted ukrainians or

newly returned ukrainians and so on, there is such a problem with them that i myself have faced more than once. what do you know, we like the fact that we can take this ukrainian thing of yours, say that it is ours, well, it is a little too much here and there, it is too ukrainian, it is possible to change it a little bit, we will re -stitch it now, and it looks like this, for example , there is now this soundtrack to victory and berlin, and the screen adaptation, the screen adaptation of the book scriabin the late, and it also has a soundtrack where scriabin’s songs are sung over a dozen ukrainian performers, my complaint about this soundtrack is very often... this original material was treated without respect and without taste, i can't listen to it literally, well, for example, this is my opinion, i understand, but for someone, maybe this okay, that is, it gave some modern colors to all of this, well, maybe in modern colors, so this is the same perception of each

of us, and it is difficult to say clearly here and there, each of us can only express our own. why so and not otherwise, why this and not another, but several films have already been made about this one period, i say, and it’s strange, i already, i already decided that from the beginning i read the script, find out who will be the speakers, and only then sign the documents for the use of some footage from our archives and so on, well, i don’t know, i... well, i don't usually feel offended, because i don't have time for this, but the truth surprises me, before, well, when total russification began, i had a period when, well, my name was in black lists, and i did not get anywhere on the airwaves, i was forced to go abroad and try there

somewhere to realize yourself, and there they worked a lot with the baltic countries. gradually, and now, when it would seem that this endurance of generations should not only be shown in films, demonstrated, but also introduce us to each other, because in order for people to know that there is access to me, i can be asked, again, again, they do something as if they are removing, well, like, the territory was doing something there, but it wasn't done by itself, it was created by people, and we have... well, a team here and there , a director, directors who worked, well, in short, i don't understand this story, well, maybe they will film the next series and really take into account the wishes of those ukrainians who care about anzhelika rudnytska and to hear

her testimony from that time, or for example marichka burmaka, who was also a participant, it is not clear to me... on against the background of another wave of conversations about translations of songs into ukrainian, i officially declare that i will not make translations of my songs from russian, without irony, i have never created them in russian, the position is either there or not, and you either. follow your path, even when it is inconvenient, painful, unprofitable, unbearable, or you run after fashion on comfortable treadmills and every time you convince others that this is patriotism, now a lot of singers have repented, some... sincerely, some under the pressure of the audience's request, as masha efrasiyna said, quoting already her, translate their creativity into ukrainian, how to perceive it to people who

actually, i mean us, the listeners or viewers, who followed those who were consistent and who do not really like these shoelaces, but the fact that people somewhere there, perhaps, sincerely repent and convert to the ukrainian way. we are also on the one hand if we congratulate, i'm really happy when people start speaking ukrainian, i'm really happy when they start singing in ukrainian, because ukrainian is incredibly melodic and it's made for music, just like italian, so it's really cool when people do that , when they sing, but i can see, well, i feel, how much it is created there like hot cakes. because it is on sale now, let's do it, let's translate it quickly, because otherwise society does not, does not tolerate russian and does not want to listen and will not come to

concerts and so on, that's it, well, it 's real, well, it's an adaptation, if it was a belief, i'd be a very happy person, because actually i spent a huge part of my life just to make people sing. in ukrainian, they listened to ukrainian, respected ukrainian, spread ukrainian, and why should i not be happy, it’s true, but recently there, well, a singer who promoted the russian cause, now she translates everything into ukrainian, there is also a patriot who is shown directly as a flag , as much as she is a patriot, she put up some kind of her poster there, on which it is written, kyiv ulitsya taka, takaya, that is, yes, something separated us, probably someone is already calling, ms. anzhelitsa rudnytskyi, i will say 5 kopecks, you can sku, only

five, not 10, we have a minute left, very briefly, simply in fact, there can be only one approach, when we condemn the russification of the pop style, and conditionally speaking, the approach can be such that, okay, but ukrainian was worse, and therefore russian won in free competition, it was more modern, cooler, but... only now russia attacked us, we can no longer speak russian, that's why as if we condemn russification, and on the other hand, like, we say, it was ukrainian better from the very beginning, you filled it with russian halim, anthemic format, and we want to get rid of it, don't bring it back here, very briefly, angelica, angelica , very briefly, we have 30 seconds, unfortunately i lost it because someone called from the phone, but friends, we need to protect our own, spread...

in ukraine with russian numbers, with russian variations, you understand, and we don't, there is no way we can cut this umbilical cord, and it is time to cut it, we are pounding this rock and cutting it bit by bit, thank you angelica for thanking you, i am very glad to talk to you, sorry, i am from the phone, but it is such a blessing that you are in ukraine and you can. not just to broadcast some news there, but what are you talking about serious things, because mass culture has such an influence on society,

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