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welcome to the press channel. today, in our war and weapons program, we will talk about how ukraine can produce more weapons in partnership with european and american companies. of course, this topic is not new. the western media from time to time write about the fact that there are... successes in the work of the ukrainian defense industry, and this is certainly positive, because such information certainly contributes to the improvement of our

positions in the world, but there is also a reverse side medals, there are also statements from our partners that it is difficult for them to understand who exactly is in ukraine and which ministry is responsible for cooperation and promotion of certain projects with our partners, whether it is the ministry of defense, or the ministry of strategy and industry, or the ministry of statistics, about these ukrainian ... labyrinths, by the way, was recently written by the american publication new york times, and there, by the way, it was also recognized that, in their opinion, the ukrainian defense market has significant prospects both now in the conditions of war and in the future, because as an example, on procurement of weapons and equipment this year, ukraine directed 1.3 billion dollars, and this, by the way, is 20 times more than in the 21st year, of course, the increase in our defense spending may interest our defense partners, but, in my opinion, this

still not enough, because we need to look for more active mechanisms to intensify cooperation with our potential and real business partners in the defense sector, and when we hear there, by the way, also statements about the creation of joint ventures with partners, we see that in practice these processes are not yet so are quickly catching up with these statements, so what? ukraine can create competition, perhaps even with european and american companies, in order to speed up the development of its own defense-industrial complex. we will, we will discuss all these questions in our program war and weapons. my name is serhiy sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express. and now the first guest joins us, this is oleksiy yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, you can see the channel on the air espresso. in return, i congratulate you. you and i

have repeatedly talked off the air about the fact that the creation and development of our own defense industry is such an urgent and urgent need to ensure our defense. and they also talked about the fact that without foreign companies it will be extremely difficult to ensure such a significant breakthrough. the question arises whether the current ukrainian... funeral market is already such that it is sufficiently tempting for american or european companies that want and can enter our market. how do you see it exactly in this context? well first of all, i would like to say that labyrinths exist not only here, in general this field of defense procurement, it is also considered by economists, one of such problematic ones, which, and this problem must be solved globally, not only that, but not that international

efforts, and each individual country will have to solve this issue, as the world is increasing... costs and never this market has been clear, especially if we talk about the european market, which is completely fragmented, despite the single market of the european union, despite nato, but it still remains fragmented, and how it is all arranged there is very difficult, and if, if everything were simple there, there was no need in the world arms trade of this phenomenon, as agents who push through certain contracts, without them ... well, no way, actually, maybe all this will go away when it ends, at the end of this war , the issues will be resolved, and everything will become clear and easy, although, probably, there will always be, always, where there are state interests, there will always be certain restrictions that make the market difficult as far as we are concerned

attractive, as attractive as our ukrainian market is. it is attractive, but i agree not only because our partners have counted purchases of 1.4 billion, well, let's not argue, in principle, really, how much is actually bought, but there is indeed a large increase, but in any case, it is large growth, it is not so huge that international defense production grants. came to ukraine, this is not enough, these are not the funds, but on the other hand, there are additional mechanisms that force, which are very attractive for our partners, the first is the international aid we receive, it is huge, it, it, well , 350 billion have already been calculated, what ukraine

received, of course, not all of it, not all of it, actually... military weapons, military equipment, but a lot from this money are already close to the front in ukraine, and the companies that are closer to the front, where these weapons are actually used, repair, maintenance, all this, they are also interested, and finally this effect, he, he is registered, he, it is important, the companies that are currently investing... in the armament of ukraine, they, their capitalization is growing rapidly, this is especially visible in europe, where in europe there has been such economic stagnation for two years, there is no growth, but the capitalization of companies that invest in ukraine, that supply weapons with the help of other mechanisms, but those who send physical

weapons to ukraine, their capitalization increases many times, all this together, of course, creates... such a driver, they are ready to come, there are already significant, significant ones, we hear these statements about rainmetal and about the alliance, the alliance , which makes caesars and leopards, all these european alliances are ready to come, there are those that are ready to implement closer to the front, to produce ammunition, here, here here already we have to agree with these considerations. and what needs to be done so that they understand how to work in ukraine, this is a big, big problem, but not only our problem. by the way, you covered primarily european defense companies, german, french, which enter the ukrainian market with projects, and what about american companies, are

the americans slowing down these processes, are they not lagging behind from the europeans, or vice versa, the europeans are now trying to... beat the americans in what they consider to be a promising arms market, i have the impression that the american companies, they did not consider all these incentives that i was talking about too attractive, because in they are different in scope, and they have other opinions there, there is a vision towards india, towards the countries of the persian gulf, australia, there, maybe there is something else there, well... own, own american budget is what drives american companies, the american budget is perhaps half of all the military spending in the world, well maybe not half, well there... well almost maybe half, that is, for them it is the main thing, and that is why they did not invest much in it, they were not very interested in this tool, except i think lockeed,

who still produces many missiles that are used, for them this is an additional such market stimulus, but now when we see that the europeans have started to use this mechanism, it seems that a certain competition has begun. but at the end of the day the americans, they, well, don't see it yet, i can't to say, they do it deliberately, they just gave it to the europeans, well, maybe so, or they just don’t think that the money is so big and large-scale yet, i think this mechanism will work after there are successful cases of european large grants, large european companies, and when we talk about successful cases, it is the completion of the construction of the rain metal plant, there are projects with the french, it is the beginning of the production of new samples at ukrainian enterprises, the purchase of these samples by the ukrainian

ministry of defense, are these successful cases? well we now see one successful case about what our partners are writing about, as a ukrainian device, relatively speaking, a light-motor aircraft, equipped with technical vision, machine vision with the help of... well, this is a division of artificial intelligence, and this thing can do without radar to fly to not only to fly to oil refineries, to impress exactly that, to recognize exactly that part of this plant, which, which, which creates, well, which allows to bring it out for a long time, well, such long, unfortunately, such cases, they are more for military technologies, for those companies that are busy technologies, there is no big money here, there is a technology case, but there is no business case really, well yes, yes, in fact, this is a technology test, there

are really several important, important international companies that have proven that their technology works, that it can be applied not only in civilian life, but also at the front, it is very important from a psychological point of view, but with such large weapon cases, i think, after all, it is primarily ammunition. and production and rockets for well what is constantly spent on the front, a big order, if certain significant funds go through the plant located in ukraine, with investments, or probably with investments, these are already big cases, and when, when rainemetal will show everyone that the location of plants in the baltic countries, the location of the plant in in ukraine, it is actually not only where... new government and western orders, but also with greater capitalization, well , this will encourage a lot of people, despite the inertia,

i think, still the main thing, why there are no americans here yet with such ideas, is inertia, they simply do not see this mechanism yet. mr. oleksii, thank you very much for the time you found for our viewers, for your explanations, we hope for further meetings on our air, i will remind the viewers that it was oleksii yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, and now we are joined by pavlo verhnyatsky, this is the director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace issues, the american-ukrainian business council, mr. pavle, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear the spresso channel on the air. good afternoon, sami, you must be heard a piece of conversation with oleksiy yezhak, who talked about that. that american companies are in no hurry to enter the ukrainian market, they are looking at the experience of europeans, whether the europeans will succeed there or not with the ukrainian

defense industry, publications in the foreign press, in particular the new york times, which i mentioned at the beginning, where it is also said that that american companies lag behind european ones on the ukrainian market, what would you say against the background of these statements, against the background of these realities, if they are a reality, given that you do you know in detail what... exactly american defense companies think about ukraine and when they are really going to enter the ukrainian market? well, unfortunately, i have to agree with your previous guest that american companies are really not in a hurry, they are all looking closely, they are all actively communicating with both the government and the private sector, at the same time to say that they give... you can't give from european ones either, because this is the second, unfortunately, because it can be said that european companies have already very actively entered and are doing something you probably can't either, there are declarations, there are certain ones.

years, but they all revolve around rather insignificant projects from the point of view of industry, at the same time, american companies, we see a certain dynamic at least, we see how they, even a year ago, were generally looking at what was happening here from across the ocean , primarily focused their efforts on working with the american... government, so that their equipment ended up in ukraine, in orders for ukraine, but with american money, for today, of course, and against the background of the delay, ah, the adoption of the budget help ukraine in the amount of about 60 billion dollars by congress, and against the background of some elaborate communication, to the american

company. they have at least started traveling, they have already received permits to at least come to ukraine, it is already good, they physically arrive here, communicate, bring in a delegation of a fairly good level, well, delegations, these are very working visits, which are good in principle, not politicized, but concrete, specific communication, however, for several weeks now we can see how some companies that were not. they were physically sent here for a very long time already his colleagues, for certain, certain negotiations, moreover, from the american companies you can note there, for example, a certain activity, but from the giants, you can probably single out boeing, they have been here for a long time, and they have a representative office here, but really specialists in military, and a component of boeing, it is

significantly different from civilian. sector, and they also already have certain activities here, of course i will not say any details, unfortunately, but something is happening, the manufacturers of air environment drones, for example, they also sell drones here for the account of american money, uh, but they are already setting up some service here, for example, equipment, that is, it is also not bad, these are the first steps, but it cannot be called ... such a big industry, a big industry, so far, and that's all in principle , as i once told you, by the way, everything rests on the market, that is, when we say why companies do not enter or enter our market, we must show this market, if we do not have the budget to buy large volumes of weapons , then we only have to promulgate potentially joint work on foreign markets, well, i

think you are great. you know what this process is, especially at a time when there is a war in our country. mr. pavle, we can then conclude that de facto american companies, frankly, do not make sense to come here, because last year we received 13 billion 40 billion, the rest were received by american companies at home, a new package of 60 billion, 2/3 will go to american companies, we manufacture weapons for the pentagon, they are supplied to ukraine and to the business of american companies. anyway grows without these risks of creating joint ventures, trips to ukraine, other things there, and then such a dynamic, well, i think that the americans will be completely satisfied, except for the moment of repairing equipment, servicing equipment, these are two small components that can be counted there due to training our military, in principle, to be solved in a qualitative way, and such a model is quite working, if we approach this purely from an investment, investment,

let's say... paradigm, then there are no illusions, what is called, but what do we have in this case, that inspires some optimism, regarding joint some significant industrial projects with american companies, this is strangely politics, and the political component in the arms business, as you well know, is sometimes more important, or at least very important, on the same level, perhaps, as the commercial one component, therefore , taking into account the geopolitical distribution of forces and the changes taking place in the world, the political component can help us a little in terms of joint projects with powerful foreign partners, including the united states.