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we continue the joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel, together beraber, with you khrystyna yatskiv and gulsum khalilova, and for the next 20 minutes, at least we will talk about the humanitarian, civil component, and not only about everything that is happening now on the crimean peninsula and all that , what the ukrainian state is ready to do in order for the status. crimea in the future was as balanced as possible for everyone who lives on the territory of the peninsula. congratulations, boris babineks, representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea. mr. boris, congratulations, congratulations. glory to heroes. alaykum salaam, have a good day. mr. vladislaus, mr. boris, there are really a lot of questions that we wanted to discuss with you today, and recently i would like to start with this news. amnesty international in its new publication dedicated to the tenth anniversary. of the illegal annexation

of the ukrainian peninsula stated that since the occupation of crimea 10 years ago, russia seeks to change the ethnic composition of the peninsula and suppress the ukrainian and crimean tatar thunder obviously, and this is a fact, it is measured in hundreds of thousands of people, regardless of how to calculate, because they calculate separately with sevastopol, separately without sevastopol, there is more, as they say, the percentage of colonizers than finally the peninsula, there are different waves colonization, once again the question of who exactly to consider a colonizer disappears... there is such a variable component, it is the russian military before the large-scale invasion, there was such a category of conscripts, then it is cannon fodder, of course, it is not a permanent colonizer, this is, as they say, they are temporary, but count, don't count, then the question of officials, so-called, and the question of people who,

whom the aggressor encourages, but does not force to colonize, there are all kinds of retirees, pensioners, businesses and so on, that is, all these categories are ok. the occupied crimea, in particular, has it, but the aggressor state has it, so physically we can observe an interesting situation, especially it is not only for crimea, but for the newly occupied territories it appears that they are physically lacking due to the arrival of ethnic groups. to increase that itself, for example kherson oblast or the occupied part of zaporizhzhia, they massively import representatives of the peoples of the caucasus there, for example, because the demographic situation is different there, that is, here, but in general yes, the blurring of the ethnic identity of ukrainians, these genocidal intentions, they are absolutely clear, they have become

the absolute narrative of the aggressor since the 22nd year, when in fact they banned the simple existence of ukrainian identity in crimea, the very... any public expression of such existence is already, as they say, punitive measures from the aggressor. but i would like to remind that on january 31 in gaza, the international court of justice of the united nations announced the final decision on the claim of ukraine against the russian federation, and many of the nuances were and were related to crimea. now we see the position of amnesty international human rights activists, who say that, in principle, it is precisely the change in the ethnic composition due to religions. for some reason, the persecutions that are happening in crimea are happening now, in this court decision we are talking about the political component itself, that is, not because of ethnic origin, not because ukrainians or crimean tatars or

representatives of other nationalities, not because they are muslims or christians or anyone else, but because they do not support the russian federation, that's why there is persecution in crimea, and that's very... hard to agree with, to be honest, it's actually very difficult to agree with the quality of preparation of ukraine's position in this court, or it is very simple to blame international law, which is wrong, so that the convention was poorly written, the judges did not stand up, but it is clearly written in the decision, there are key phrases for me, and this sentence was actually for those would to be who prepared it in ukraine, or who paid money for those lawyers who prepared it, it was not proven there, i believe, this is my personal evaluation judgment. that this should be checked by our law enforcement officers, both on counter-intelligence issues and on corruption issues, how did it happen that the case that was going on in the 17th year, how was the ministry of foreign affairs, which he very strongly closed directly, let's say, from public control, from public control, where he told that he has the best

lawyers in the world, the best in the world of interaction between bodies, it turns out that he is not, and the court about it directly wrote, so it is not here, let's say this decision should have become a sentence of racial discrimination of the aggressor. unfortunately, this was a verdict of the very poor quality of the work of the lawyers of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs. and here there is a problem, because the enemy understands this, because he understands that the same lawyers are still today, none of them moved, as they say, from the building on mykhailivskyi to the building on askoldovo, to our great regret, and that is why we see that today, the aggressor is preparing provocations for the international court, he is obviously preparing there, and this is a small big secret, a lawsuit against ukraine regarding the alleged financing of terrorism. it is clear that there are no legal grounds, but there are such lawyers in kyiv, i'm sorry, who, unfortunately, bring any lawsuit into the risk zone with their existence in the ministry of foreign affairs, this is my position, i am ready, if anyone is interested, to prove it with documents , but returning to the crimea, today, unfortunately, the aggressor takes this

position, which was formed due to the decision of the un international court, i already said why that decision arose, unfortunately, it is used by the aggressor to strengthen repression of the crimean tatars, because he says, look... in the decision it is written that there is no discrimination, this is a huge political cover that russia has received today, unfortunately, today the rights defenders, who all these years independently, without any, or almost... any support from those people who have been pring these gaga conferences, gathering the relevant evidence and going anyway, i know, i just can't go into detail here, that there will be a lot of work to prove, that there is racial discrimination of crimean tatars in crimea, that there is racial discrimination in crimea discrimination against ethnic ukrainians, thank god these lawyers who supported this lawsuit will not deal with this, no one will let them there for public initiatives, and we will have appropriate decisions for the benefit of the ukrainian state and the indigenous crimean tatar people and all crimeans, well really.. . we see how russian propaganda now uses it, and even russian ghouls, they now began to say that it seems that with

the crimean-tatar language on the territory of the occupied peninsula, everything is very good, everything is very normal, and even under ukraine until 2014 year, it seems that there were big problems with the crimean tatar language, and now russia came and everything is fine, but i remember that i was born in already independent ukraine. and i studied in the crimean-tatar class, if i'm not mistaken, now in crimea, schools only have one hour, yes, in the crimean tatar language, and that, if the children's relatives want it. well, look, first of all, the occupiers formally, so formally , did not close the schools that were related to crimean tatar teaching, let's say, until 2014, but today they really the number of classes is reduced, the number of...

does not go, there are remnants of learning crimean tatar as a subject, there is pressure on parents to reduce the number of students, here the only factor that has really ensured the existence of such education so far is the position of the crimean tatars themselves, this is the position of the families, if it hadn't happened, it wouldn't have happened a long time ago, a complete ban against this background is ukrainian education, ukrainian language. education, this is the only thing that ukraine proved, managed to prove, because it is an absolutely obvious fact, the occupiers destroyed it not only in fact, it should it would be necessary to prove, but legally, as if legally, we covered everything below zero in crimea, ukraine is educational, that is why the international court stated there, after all, you were forced to state that there really is racial discrimination of ethnic ukrainians against the crimean tatars, i repeat , due to the great regret of those officials who relied on it, we simply could not prove it, although it is an objective fact. yes, indeed today there are these provocations, there are statements that are beyond reasonable, so that

the crimean tatar language is not recognized, well, this any lawyer opens, well, here is the constitution of the republic of kazakhstan 98, it says kraskatatarsk, here is the framework convention of regional languages, ukraine recognizes protection, but there is even more, it is, as they say, the godfather of lies, mr. lavrov, who declared this, he he also said that no mosque had been built in the crimea until the 14th year. so that is, you know, all the crimean tatars were waiting for putin to come, as they say, and build menchets, well, i understand that this is not, well, it is not only absurd, but it is refuted by a simple factor, everyone a crimean tatar in his settlement knows when the mosque was actually opened and a significant number were either opened before the 14th year, or even if it was opened in the 15th, 16th, yes, it is, it was started to be built somewhere 10-11 yes, it is the same in 2013 this project. very much, as they say, they just sell to their own, as they say, their population,

they try to sell it at international institutions, but again there is a question, you said about the political component, and indeed the occupiers are currently speculating about this, that it seems that on ethnic persecution and they speculate on the statements of the international court regarding the majlis, and the decision of the international court is written that it is not, let's say, a people's organization, but some kind of political one. structure, but i have a question, look, such an interesting situation is developing, and ukraine has approved the law on the country of the peoples, there is a fixed procedure for the legalization of the representative institutions of the peoples of the country, which is the midjlis, later in the 22nd year due to such, you know, great work and crimean tatar law enforcers, so to speak, and civil society, the cabinet of ministers approves the procedure for legalizing the midjlis, this is in very simple language, then they collect documents regarding this procedure. it was not easy, something happened in crimea, collected, collected, submitted to the cabinet of ministers, the cabinet of ministers accepted it in june 23,

for those who were recognized there, and those who were recognized there, i have a question, as they say asterisk, and if the cabinet of ministers would approve it in time the decision to legalize the midjlis within the framework of these very organizational procedures, if this resolution were to be put on the table in a timely manner, maybe something would change, and maybe there will be questions for the people who did it in kyiv, no no question. regarding, i will say this, regarding their fears, regarding the crimean tatars, namely the issue of the relevant article of the criminal code of aiding hostile activities, undermining the position of ukraine in international institutions, maybe someone will raise it someday, i am sure, that is, in your opinion, this is not some kind of bureaucratic procedure, this is just purely political, i want this to be dealt with sooner or later by the authorized bodies, which will be given not only a political, but also a criminal, procedural assessment, and the fact that there will be a legal assessment, well, of course, there will be a trial at the very least, it is obvious that if you are given what i am entitled to and the court, let

the court decide, the legal status of the majaliso of the crimean tatar people is really in limbo now. and this is already emphasized by the representatives of medzhalis and ryfat chubarov spoke about it recently, by the way, the discussion is intensifying now in ukraine regarding the status and format of the existence of the crimean peninsula, these territories, in general, in the context of return, and there is a lot of speculation about which ayder and i even in the last program they started talking, well , first of all, there is speculation on the topic of where the crimean tatars are, why they are not fighting, and this is... absolutely unfair, we have a battalion formed by representatives of the crimean tatar people, which is joined by representatives and other ethnic groups, indigenous peoples, national minorities, in addition, representatives of the crimean tatar people are firmly embedded in the defense forces of ukraine, and they perform combat tasks in

many directions, every fifth battalion has representatives of crimean tatars in the people and on the other hand, again. crimean tatar autonomy or crimean region? unfortunately, unfortunately, we are now seeing the intensification of this discussion, i don't know if it is timely, let's say, well, two different questions, to the first question, how can a purely civilian person answer that we see crimean tatars in the army, i know my crimean tatar comrades in the army, but the question is different, the question is that if the crimea is occupied, yes, and the other part of the crimean tatar, let's say this, well, not the diaspora, but the part of the resettlement of the traditional kherson oblast was under occupation. in the first days of the war, maybe it’s not the fault of the crimean tatar people, that’s right, at least it’s not their fault, if the bulk of the crimean tatars were uncontrolled territories, it’s obvious that their share in the army should be larger, that’s purely an arithmetical question, the second arithmetical the issue is repression, is an example of repression in the newly occupied territory, where male crimean tatars are being persecuted en masse by the aggressor for

participating or for possible participation in the civil blockade of crimea, they. become actually prisoners of war, i like this word, that is, well, excuse me, with all, as they say, respect for any discussion, there is no discussion here, the question is different, namely, why are we discussing something that really makes absolutely no sense to discuss physically today, why? it is impossible to change the constitution, look at several factors, the first factor: we live in a democratic country, we can't bring such things down from above exactly, we have to at least formally, let's say it directly, go through some procedure of discussion or on... to reveal logically, well otherwise it is impossible, you are talking about a referendum, maybe i am talking about any form provided for by the legislation of ukraine, i am not saying the word referendum, i am not saying the word there is some other word, i am saying that you do not decide this according to a democratic procedure at the bank or there, for example even in the session hall of the verkhovna rada, this is the one that the broader issue, ugh, the crime-bought, today the mejlis is returning to this issue again,

has not yet been introduced into organizational relations, not to mention the legal system. ukraine legally and politically recognized him, but organizationally the system did not start. and how is it possible to talk about something in general without bringing this body into the organizational system of power, we have a law on the country of peoples, it says with the participation, with the participation, with the participation, with consultations, that is , we first start, then when we start it , another question arises, already politically, after the deoccupation of the koroltai, the mejlis should be elected again, these are all logical questions, because the crimean tatars, as a component of the ukrainian people, and the entire ukrainian people are used to living democratically. procedures, only after these issues legally something can be formalized, and that is why i say, those who today say about the crimean-tatar autonomy, or about the region, yes, because they either do not know the situation, or they are useful fools, because all these questions today have the only actual result, this is a distraction society from urgent issues, what issues, the protection of the people of prava, here

today under the conditions of occupation, the work is real, sorry, not kavabreaks, but real work on de-occupation, reintegration... i cannot speak about the military bloc, but as an example about the civilian bloc , so in relation to the civilian block of all these questions, just so that you understand the situation, we just held a crimean tatar resource center and a number of other organizations, our association for the integration of crimea, which i represent, have already held a series of three strategic forums, well, regarding the future of crimea, they have already worked out relevant proposals for the strategy integration, then to the government's plans, then at the moment we gathered, we began to think about what to do with the organization of the organization of the activities of the international crimean platform, because the summits are taking place, it is very right, it is right politics, i personally support it, but let's talk about real results here and on the ground, what do we have? yes, we have some concrete plans, strategies, tasks, there is a lot of work on the shore, someone gives us funds for this, in what amount, which state, we see security agreements today, there are eight of them, it is

very good that they are concluded from the uk to finland, i only found the issue of, quote, support for the development of plans for the reintegration of the occupied territories, if i think it's the uk and france, well, that's what we need to talk about today to think, that is, actually... we have, excuse me, today, we are not going to the constituent assembly of the united nations in san francisco in the 45th, we are today the desperation of the battle for the hudal canal, if you compare such categories, we should think not about the un charter, and about the dlendliz plan, gentlemen, and when they start telling us, excuse me, you know, it's like standards, let's turn over the ukrainian flag, everything will change, it won't change, from the fact that today we declare something on a formal level, and even can we today it for... because any constitutional act about crimea, it foresees the realities of the situation, we must first clearly understand the reintegration strategy, the reintegration strategy was approved

in the 21st year before the great war. in the 23rd year, we were promised a new editorial office, mr. danilov promised, mr. tashev and ms. viryshchuk, then we heard another statement by mr. danilov, as far as i am wrong, a public one, well, one of the good guys or officials is sure that there will be some general strategy about all the reintegrated territory, mr. danilo already today. not the secretary of the national security council, so a new question arises, right, yes, who is there, what will be the new position in the nsdc, she is responsible for it, because the nsdc apparatus is responsible for the preparation of decisions, and the strategy of deoccupation and integration of crimea is valid in the 21st year, where everyone told us about the diplomatic way, they should be changed at the level of the nsdc, i.e. i am talking about the fact that this should be done here and now, when we do it, the strategy will be signed by president zelenskyi, we will build from this, which , excuse me, constitutional yes, well, if i am not mistaken, in the 21st year when developing the de-occupation strategy and reintegration of the peninsula, the image of the krymstar people and the krymstar resource center, etc., were not invited

to, well, i don’t know the zakanstar resource center, the mejlis, i honestly don’t want to give an assessment of those events, it’s good that this strategy was generally approved, it at least does not correspond to the realities of the great war, so on let's stop criticizing the document, which we know today should be changed, this ungrateful task. the only thing i can say is that what i can say was the development of this strategy in the 23rd year the plan was approved, yes, and here everyone already had a question about lawyers, because there is a plan, but the strategy was not changed, that is, on the basis of which, if the strategy was not changed, the plan is already new, and the second question, and from there many lawyers, in particular, i saw this plan, sorry for the television, mr. boris, i really hope that we will have the opportunity to make a whole separate program with you on all of the above. topic, i thank you very much for the fact that you were able to emphasize quite acutely and fairly those points that, well, in my opinion, a little cautiously, are sometimes discussed in

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news time on the espresso tv channel. kateryna shiropoyas works in the studio. one more minus military facility in russia in the city of azov , rostov region, a pipeline was blown up. which pumped oil products to tankers of the azov sea port, it was used by the military of the aggressor countries, the main intelligence office reported and added that work there has stopped for an indefinite period. six more people died .