well, this will motivate many people despite inertia, i think, after all, the main reason why there are no americans here yet with such ideas is inertia, they simply do not see this mechanism yet. mr. oleksii, thank you very much for the time you found for our viewers, for your explanations, we hope for further meetings on our air, i will remind the viewers that it was oleksii yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, and for... now to us pavlo verkhniatskyi, the director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, joins us. co-coordinator of the security and aerospace working group of the american-ukrainian business council. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you on the air. good afternoon, you probably heard a piece of conversation with oleksiy yezhak, who spoke about the fact that american companies are in no hurry to enter... the ukrainian market, they are looking at

the experience of europeans, whether or not the europeans will succeed with the ukrainian defense industry, publications in the foreign press, in particular the new york times, which i mentioned at the beginning, where it is also said that they are american companies are lagging behind european ones on the ukrainian market, what would you say against the background of these statements, against the background of these realities, if they are realities considering the fact that you know in detail what american defense companies think about ukraine and when they... is really going to enter the ukrainian market? well, unfortunately, i have to agree with your previous guest that american companies are really taking their time, they're all looking, they're all actively communicating with both the government and the private sector, at the same time it is also impossible to say that they are lagging behind the european ones, because this is the second, unfortunately, because to say that the european... companies

have already entered very actively and are doing something, too, it is certainly not possible, there are declarations, there are certain steps, but they everyone revolves around projects that are quite insignificant from the point of view of industry, at the same time, american companies, we see a certain dynamic at least, we see how, even a year ago, they were generally looking across the ocean at what was happening here, first of all directed their efforts to work with american governments so that their technology found herself in ukraine, in orders for ukraine, but with american money, for today, of course, and against the background of the delay in the adoption of the aid budget for ukraine in the amount of about 60 billion dollars by the congress and... against the background of some kind of

elaborate communication to american companies they have at least started traveling, they have already received permits to at least come to ukraine, this is already good, they physically arrive here, communicate, bring in a fairly good level of delegation, well, delegations, these are very working such visits, which in principle is good not politicized, but concrete concrete communication. therefore, for several weeks now , we can see how some companies that have not been here for a very long time, physically, have already sent their colleagues, er, to certain, certain negotiations, moreover, from american companies, you can note there, for example, a certain activity , well, you can probably single out boeing from the giants there, they have been here for a long time, and they... have

a representative office here, but they are actually specialists in the military and the boeing component, it is significantly different there from the civilian sector, and they also already have certain activities here, of course i will not say any details, unfortunately, but something is happening, drone manufacturers air environment, for example, they also sell drones here at the expense of american money, but they are already on... here some service, for example, equipment, that is, it is also not bad, these are the first steps, but it cannot be called such a big industry, a big industry, so far, and everything in principle, as i already told you once, by the way, everything rests on the market , that is, when we say that why do not come out or companies enter our market, we have to show this market, if we don't have the budget to buy large volumes of weapons, then we have only... this is only to talk about

potential joint work on foreign markets, well, i think you know very well which this is a process, especially at the moment when our country is at war. mr. pavle, we can then conclude that de facto , to be honest, it makes no sense for american companies to come here, because last year we received 40 billion, we received 13, the rest were received by american companies at home, a new a package of 60 billion, 2/3 will go to an american company, we manufacture weapons for the pentagon, they are supplied to ukraine, and the business of american companies in any case grows without these risks of creating joint ventures. trips to ukraine, there are other things, and then such a dynamic, well, i think that the americans will be completely satisfied, except for the moment of repairing the equipment, maintenance of the equipment, these are two small components that can be solved there due to the training of our military there, in principle, in a qualitative way, and such a model is quite working, if you approach

this is purely from the investment investment, let's say, paradigm, then here without illusions, what is called. but what inspires us in this case, which inspires us with some optimism about joint some significant industrial projects with american companies, is, oddly enough , politics, and the political component in the arms business, as you well know, ah, is sometimes more important, or at least very important , uh, on the same level, perhaps, as the commercial component, therefore, taking into account the geopolitical distribution of forces and the changes taking place in the world, that is, the political component can to help a little in terms of joint projects with powerful foreign partners,

including the united states. then the question arises, will the states suddenly change the president during the elections? is this inertia, or this concession, a step towards cooperation with ukraine, even on the scale that exists today, we remember somewhere last year, mrs. pritzker said that ukraine is now extremely important for american defense companies, can offer many joint projects, the statement sounded, the results we see now that they are unique without common ones enterprise everything else, but will the change of power in the united states affect these trends that were started under the current president? i don't want to pit one administration against another, but what i can emphasize is that, as you rightly said,

under the current administration there is a certain trend, but at the same time there is also an inhibition, and not only in the aspect that depends, for example, from... congress, yes, and in other aspects as well, this is the transfer of technologies, this is the special representative , the adviser, the prime minister of the strategist, these are other issues, and i don't think that they depend much on the will of one or another specific president, america still has a fairly stable political system, and i know that there is no reason to draw such unequivocal conclusions, including with this hint, which i will say now, we got javelins under trump, and the first weapon of attack we received from during the trump administration, and

to say that if there is a change, if there is a new president in the united states, and it will be trump, then it will not necessarily have a negative impact, of course there is ... a big risk, we all understand , there is a human factor in this specific person, the unpredictability is certain, but with the right diplomatic work, and i think that we have a good chance with the new administration, based on the fact that america is still a system, and we are already a certain element, and i do not want there to blow it up, but in a sense my... element of the national security of the united states and the fact that we are at war, in fact, with one of the key, one of the key threats to the united states. mr. pavle, you are meeting with the american companies

of the defense profile, what do you tell them about it prospects of working with ukraine, start, don't delay, wait, what advice do you give them, how do they... react, uh, this is a good question in the sense that uh, and it's good that we have a broadcast in ukrainian , uh, in fact, we all... you know, we all already got into business somewhere and we are working to attract, contact, establish, we find arguments, how to say, but practical ones, yes for american companies, and this is primarily an emphasis on potential foreign markets, on the fact that we have, ah, well, a colossal one, not ours, and... the armed forces, a colossal experience in the use of weapons, including

western ones, and a technological component in the sense that we have an intellectual resource, because to say that we have some advanced technologies, unfortunately, is also not it is possible, but there is an intellectual component, certain moments are related to the cheapening of weapons and competition there potentially with china in foreign markets and so on, we argue all this in... at the same time, well, we perfectly understand that purely as an investment the project cannot be approached here, but for this is a big economic issue for ukraine, that is , the military industry will, i hope, still be a fairly significant element of our economic growth over time, and plus i emphasize once again that it is a political component, it is important, ukraine needs allies such as the united states, yes the same as... of course, and the arms market and the arms industry

is one of the elements of close cooperation, mr. pavle, thank you very much for such a diplomatic conversation related to the prospects for cooperation with the united states, i hope that in in our next meetings we will talk in more detail about those projects that will already appear in that period of time, thank you for your comments, for your correct emphasis. and i will remind our viewers that it was pavlo verhnyatskyi, director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace issues, the american-ukrainian business council. and then we will talk about sweden's experience in creating a powerful defense and industrial complex and what can be learned from that experience to use in ukraine and how sweden itself treats the prospects of cooperation. with ukraine specifically in the defense and industrial sphere, but about that after the advertising and information

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it is a company in sweden, but it was founded by ukrainians, the company produces high-tech products, already used both in sweden itself and in nato countries. mr. yuriy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. in return, thank you, i congratulate you. i would like to make such a small retrospective, because sweden transferred to us a significant amount of technological weapons, there are howitzers, archers, bmp cv90, a significant amount of anti-tank equipment. but i want to do something together. and about two months ago , it seems, the president of ukraine was at a conference in sweden. spoke about the fact that joint production with sweden is a priority for us, and i i am sure, says zelensky, that the day will come when you and i will be able to see the opening of the first joint production in ukraine, - the head of state said then, at what point are we now in accordance with this goal, how does the defense industry of switzerland

in general now perceive these prospects for working with ukraine? uh, well, a complex issue, generally perceived quite positively, and there are quite specific examples where swedish companies, in particular the same saab or by systems, or fosh, in principle, have already adopted the final decision, that is how they cooperate with, i simply do not know who the counterparty is in ukraine, probably ukroboronprom, or one of the big players, but... in principle, there are already positive signals of such cooperation, that is, it has begun, well things, you are talking about who the counterparties are, i am talking with representatives of our analytical structure, with representatives of the american side, they ask the same, we sometimes do not know who our counterparty is in solving certain projects, so this is

such an achilles heel the fifth i hope first of all the ukrainian side, which should get rid of it. but is the ukrainian market at all interesting for sweden, because sweden is self-sufficient, and actually talking about the need to expand sales markets there at the expense of ukraine, it looks somehow, well, sometimes it is not entirely appropriate in view of the various capacities and projects implemented by the swedish company? well, i absolutely agree, in principle, sweden is one of the largest arms exporters in the world, i don't know about that. there is a ladder, there is fifth or sixth place in the world in terms of the volume of arms exports, it is almost 100% export-oriented the military-industrial complex, although the actual order is also there, and now it has increased by two with something, but here is the question , it is necessary to understand that ukraine itself

can provide the swedes, so where is the point of synergy, or what? this is not just a market, the swedes have produced something and conditionally sold it to ukraine, it is necessary in the context of cooperation, to understand what the ukrainian side has, it is so interesting for swedish companies to jointly produce some high-tech product, we can talk about it, there are certain working out then the question arises, what is so interesting in ukraine that can be interesting for sweden, because you, i don't know, seven or eight years old... you try and communicate with our defense enterprises, so what is interesting in ukraine for sweden? well, actually, my case may not be so interesting, although it is a very niche story, a very niche product, it is very interesting now from the ukrainian side to the swedes

, this aspect is considered very interesting, it is a real experience ee... or feedback, as - it is fashionable to say, from the battlefield, because it is huge the amount of weapons that were produced in nato countries, conditionally, now not only in sweden, in the united states, in the uk, anywhere, it turned out that there are questions, there are questions about tactics, there are questions about performance characteristics, there are questions about moral obsolescence certain types of weapons, not all of them, of course, but there are such questions, so this feedback, which comes directly in real time from the battlefield, this is the most valuable experience that ukraine can give swedish companies now, and they, believe me , understand it quite well, that is, we are talking about that the use of howitzer archer, bmp cv90 anti-tank weapons is now being carefully studied by the swedes to make the next iterations of this weapon even more technologically advanced

, taking into account the flaws that they saw on the battlefield. well, a small example, enlau, after certain problems with the batteries, batteries, yes, batteries, which are included in the kit. there are certain processes that have started, and i know there that... that there are certain projects to upgrade these batteries for inlau, because they're just , well, even if they're overdue storage, they simply did not withstand the performance characteristics that were laid in them, here is a specific example, as soon as the feedback came and the swedes began to work on, began to work on this problem, and what ukraine should actually do to interest sweden in this. .. to system partnership up to the exit of joint ventures, to offer contracts, to offer some kind of improved financial conditions, which is systematically lacking, which

, well, does not give the synergy effect of the level we expect, well, first of all, of course, the planning horizon , because the whole to a swedish company, the same saap or any, they work on extremely long horizons, the same nlau, i'm sure it was developed there for five years. or more, there is a certain procedure for this, certain contracts with the fmv or directly there with some customer, by the way, it is good that an analogue of the fmv, or the purchase nspa of the youth procurement agency, has finally appeared in ukraine, this is very good, it is perceived extremely positive, because there is a specific algorithm, how to submit a commercial proposal, how to receive an invitation to a tender, how to cooperate with... here's what's next the question, of course, and what is a certain problem for swedish companies, precisely in cooperation with ukraine, is what is called

plm, or product life cycle management, that is , they did not just put a bunch of enlaves or a bunch of some equipment, but also personnel training , support for this product until... long-term such support for this product, equipment, updates, a lot of software that changes every day, it must be updated, and well, in principle, this is a well-established practice here, but i am not sure that in ukraine has something similar, because, for example, you can install a state-of-the-art radar, and then not update the database of waveforms, and it will simply... see what, in principle, it should see, purely based on physical characteristics, that's why this synergy, this life cycle management, it should also somehow be implemented in this

cooperation with ukrainian companies, and finally i will ask, it seems that three different officials during these years of war came to sweden, told about global projects, about global desires. eh, what happened after the result of these visits, that is, were there any real continuations, because i'm afraid that this, that actually this habit of visiting still lays the basis of such good real system interactions, does it succeed today? well, let's put it this way, it's not a binary logic, something somewhere in the middle, but yes, of course, there were visits, there were very loud slogans there, all this is wonderful, m. certain processes, as i said at the beginning, have begun, but the potential of the swedish the industry is so big that it could be better, actually.

well, mr. yuri, i don't want to end the conversation on like that, wants better. what positive things are there now in the work with sweden, which really help ukraine on the battlefield, a few stakes, okay, definitely, well, there are specific contracts that are being implemented and... the supply is planned for several years in advance, so in certain niches, everything is in in principle , everything is going well, the production is in full swing, in principle it has already reached certain parameters in terms of quantities, dates, and shipments, there are certain channels, how it is done, therefore supply, therefore, in principle, this and that is normal, just the potential is so much a large one that could actually be overwhelmed with this weapon if prepared. in advance, but in principle, this process is also going normally, let's say this, but considering how, what kind of products it is, what kind of nomenclature, then

everything is fine there, everything, but not... can open up a little bit, but now, it seems that a big meeting between the swedish defense industry association and a number of ukrainian defense companies is going to be held, again there to exchange experience, what kind of event it will be, what may be the result after such an exchange of views at the current stage of hostilities with russia federation? well, i say, it is an extremely interesting experience, in which way... the modern is changed by the chaff, because many systems that are already, let’s say, morally obsolete , are in service, they need to be withdrawn, something to replace them, put in, and for this it is necessary to understand what modern threats actually are and what the tactics of application are in principle, this is especially interesting in the context of attacks on infrastructure, and this is extraordinary, this is a unique experience, there is no one in the world with such experience, this is what

ukraine can provide in the context of all visits . there is an exchange of experiences and so on. sweden, for its part, will adjust its industrial capabilities to meet the needs of the modern battlefield, or military to address these threats, shall we say. right. and mr. yuri, here is an extreme question for you, already based on your experience of perceiving events on the front line. we once did a program with you last year where you talked about fpv drones being there. decisive on the battlefield, this prediction came true, but now what is your next attempt to look beyond the horizon to see what exactly what will change on the front line in the use of weapons there, well, in the next three to six months there, what should be prepared for in certain segments of the use of weapons samples or tactics? well, thin ice, if

so... with wide masks, then new ranges of purity, definitely, the wider, the better, non -kinetic means of influence, electromagnetic and the like, well, yes, definitely, all types of development that only exist, radioelectronic, space , there is any, that is, it is all combined into a single circuit, so to speak, that is, from detection to damage in various ways... kinetic, non-kinetic and so on. this is the perspective of the next six months, year. you see the movement of the ukrainian side, specifically ukrainian developers, in this direction. well, of course, we will constantly get in touch with ukrainian companies. this is, well, modern experience, we absolutely adequately analyze the current state of the electromagnetic spectrum, which is absolutely unique in the world, i will say so, there

are such anomalies and phenomena. which were never there, but now they are, so it must be addressed adequately from the point of view equipment technical characteristics, by the way, you asked about fp drones, well, there is already an obvious problem, because it is all built on civilian components, which in no way meet the requirements that exist now, that is, there is simply not enough frequency resource for their effective use, mr. yuri, thank you for the inclusion, i hope that in peacetime we will talk in more detail about what means were used. in the war and technological things that affected the enemy, for now we are silent about it. thanks for the inclusion. let me remind you that it was yuriy voytenko, the founder and head of the swedish company wireless p2p technology, which has been working in switzerland for a long time, supplies technological products for nato countries, and has close contacts with ukraine. summing up, we can say

that... there are essential prerequisites for the ukrainian army to become stronger through cooperation with foreign companies, not all european and american companies have the same strategies and views , cooperation with ukraine is significant extent it depends on of their policy, but sometimes there is an achelous fifth on the example of the ukrainian side, when we talk about a certain bureaucracy, labyrinths, in the creation of such active, working connections with foreign companies, we hope that the ukrainian side will get rid of these defects as soon as possible and we we will have much more effective results of creating new types of weapons together with american and european defense companies. stay tuned to the spresso channel, there will be a lot of interesting things to come.

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