referring to yermak, he writes, or rather, quotes him, we know that putin is preparing a new wave of mobilization, we believe that new counteroffensive operations by the russians may begin at the end of may or the beginning of june, of course we should be ready for this, we, as and before , additional air defense systems are critically needed, because without them we will not be able to protect our cities - he said, at the same time denys shmyhal in an interview with the estonian tv channel irr... said that the army does not need to mobilize 500,000 people, mobilization in ukraine will be much softer. let's listen to what shmyhal said. the president and i are monitoring the situation, we have changed the commander in chief, he has conducted an audit of the defense forces, rotations have begun on the front line, for the first time since the start of the full-scale invasion. we understand that not so many people are needed now, so... mobilization will be

much softer. i think that during this year we will complete all the necessary tasks for the mobilization of ukrainians. we have new brigades, they are manned, but we are waiting for equipment, military equipment and ammunition from partners. when these all arrive, new brigades will be manned and we will significantly increase our combat power. mr. major, zelenskyi and yarma are talking about what will happen. the russians are inevitable, there is june, may, they emphasize this, what do you think the actions of the ukrainian authorities should be, why do they say, some say that the offensive is inevitable, the prime minister says, well , in general, 500,000 people there is no need to mobilize, we will manage there with a smaller number, and in general, well, this is not what we are talking about, well , i see, by the way, zelensky also said on press conference that the military invited 500,000, but to us this... let them justify it to me, i

understood that the military led by syrsky did not justify the need for 500,000, well, this is it, if you believe the words of the smuggler, who say president zelenskyi, what yermak is saying and everyone else is saying, look, i want to tell you without any complaints, but nevertheless, today the battles are already taking place near the eastern part of the town of chasivya. the woman held on, then if everything is so good with us, well, then i can't understand so why is everything so bad for us? the second point, there are brigades that are already rotating, and of course there is, well, 110 there, for example, lay in avdiivka with no exit, no passage, no exit, for several years, and it was torn to shreds there, so they are now on rotation, of course, so what it was left there, don't you remember how many people

were left in the units, you and i have said this many times, the staffing needs to be better, if shmygal has people but no weapons, then i will tell you a few subdivisions where there are no people, and there are weapons, well, everyone has kalash, the infantry is in the trenches, we need shells, the shells are going, so there are shells, the shells are going, there are soldiers, kalash, i think, there are also no problems. then what is the problem, why in the subdivisions the personnel composition wants to be super much better, because it is very, very bad there. and here are such things, you know , like relax, don't worry, instead of mobilizing the consciousness of the citizens, regarding the threat of fight or die, they start to relax again, because it will maybe it's unpopular, they continue to play politics and ratings, but it is necessary to not play politics and ratings, but to think for the survival of the nation, for the state. and it is precisely in

this context that i now understand why the law on mobilization, even if it is voted on in april, i just want shmyhal to come out and honestly say, my brother, he said yes and yes, people, reinforcements will be in in october, because they will say alapin, what are you saying, that the reinforcements will be in october, well, as i say, if they vote in april, zelenskyi in may will sign, there 60 days are given for it all to unravel, there are offices, there are conscripts, and so on. yes, that is , a certain amount of time will pass, then they will start recruiting people, and then they will have to be sent to the training ground for three months, well , add that, and all together it will turn out that there will be reinforcements in october, so i do not understand shmygal's position , although in principle, what do i expect, what is the difference, you know, what is the difference , what is the surname of prime minister zelensky, well, it doesn't matter to me, zelensky said that 500 00 is not needed at the conference, that he does not see the expediency, because he was not motivated. said the president, all as one

went to repeat, all the problems, they have no problems, the only problems are with the rotation of personnel for some reason, i know, well, i will not name the brigades that will not wake up now. they have been sitting there for more than a year , you know, they are reinforced with armor and so on, but they do not rotate, not rotation, look at the reports of any analysts there who say that such and such a brigade is working in such and such a direction , and look how much about this brigade already some or other are telling uh, let's say, storytellers, well, they've been talking about her in this direction for more than a year, so she's been without rotation for more than a year, well, everything is great, and there are many of them. yes, that's why it's wild for me, the non-regulation of the issue of mobilization is a very serious problem, and i'll tell you, you know what other risk there is with this bill, so one last sentence, if they don't regulate the concept of dembel, then it will be another failed

mobilization only according to the new law, i think something like this, i feel like this, i draw such a conclusion, because people demotivated if they don't know how long they are walking and more. those who have been in the trenches for the third year are more demotivated. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was the major of the armed forces of ukraine, special forces ihor lapin. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. please take part in our survey, today we are asking you about the following: do you consider bolgakov a ukrainophobe? yes, no, please write your answer in the comments. if you watch us on... on tv , pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think bulgakov is a ukrainophobe (0800-211-381) or 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will pick up the results of this vote. next, we have oleg

rybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, former deputy prime minister for european integration and former head of yushchenko's presidential administration, mr. oleg, i am... congratulations, thank you for being with me today by us congratulations. well, first of all, let's talk about the results meeting of the ukraine-nato council, the main issue is the fpo system for ukraine. and nato member countries agreed that they should redouble their efforts to find anti-aircraft defense equipment, artillery and ammunition for ukraine. this was stated by the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, in his words. the partners of the north atlantic alliance will strengthen the defense potential of the ukrainian armed forces, at the same time, as dmytro kuleba says, at the april 4 meeting in brussels, germany initiated the search

for available air defense systems patriot for kyiv. let's listen to what mr. kuleba said. germany, as the head of the coalition. of air defense is now initiating an immediate analysis of all patriot battery systems and other air defense systems available not only in the allies, but in the world in general, and what can be done, what combinations can be built in order for these batteries to be delivered to ukraine. mr. olezh, why is it taking so long for ukraine to convince our western partners that we need to close the sky, well, at least on cities with millionaires? well, i'm just remembering that when this vilnius nato summit was held,

the number of patriots who were there were completely in favor of solving the issue of ukraine, but nato members simply delegated, transported their systems, and there would be about a dozen of them there, that's for little vilnius, for a small the sky that was above vilnius, so technically it is definitely possible, and the fact that these are systems that, well , they are idle, they are not used, well, it is clear that putin will not dare to somehow violate the borders of nato, although there are many threats there , that's how they fly. and the missiles there are like those in poland, which, by the way, has the patriot, but the poles do not use it, they would not give it to us, we would shoot down these missiles, they would not fly through poland, then in fact the issue is technically resolved, but the issue here not in technical capabilities, this issue is that now it is very good

that we have macron with his initiative, then we see in europe the formation of two clubs, a club... a club of brave or determined people and a club of deeply concerned and no less deeply frightened, and because of the fact that you only raise the question, for what? we are it we do, but ukraine needs weapons for whatever, and we focus on this, on these things, which were very well described in the article there, of the international institute of war, which is just there, how, how to break russia's strategy, how to defeat russia, that's the essence , there are 16 pages, such a large analytical article, very intelligent, that is, i read it, i realized that in fact they know everything correctly, you know, like a doctor, one doctor there makes ... an x-ray, the other reads it, so they are very they made this x-ray well, and everything is visible there, it is obvious that

every time, russia forces the world to discuss in the information shell created by russia itself, in this information shell it is said that russia cannot be defeated, russia, as putin says, has never been defeated by anyone, a complete lie, a nuclear country, and so on... and and all the others, and that instead of spending so much effort, we should just compromise and then go back to business as usual, and precisely because they have no unity, some of the countries that are now joining to the club of the brave and determined, understands this, and i see that ours the future, or our most reliable allies right there, and very simply not... not such extraordinary initiatives, you said on your programs, because i look at it from time to time and

now it is and that's what, well, there is a certain novelty or consistency of policy macron, well, because he really just gave answers to several problems. first, he said that russia, as an aggressor country, should simply be destroyed in this form, no one dares to say that. then he declared his readiness and desire. or this strategy of his there is global uncertainty, that there is no need to set limits for yourself, russia does not set any limits for itself, i listen to blinkin, who went to see macron, and blinkin says that no, no, no, we can't, because we can't allow a direct confrontation with russia, i am a little mad about it, because a horde is coming at you, which you say that no-no-no, we will not clash with you, when the horde comes at you, you do not want to ... clash , and what are you doing, you are retreating, well, this is really happening now, putin is very good at it

feels, but when blinken stated that schold, among other things, too, that you cannot make decisions like this, you have to make it in the nato format and by consensus, then macron very, well, for me it was an impressive answer, it is convincing, he says that i don't need the support of nato, and you have my opinion, here in the plot lapin talked about this foreign legion, and there they are... in africa, by the way, in africa, from the africa of the french, in that including the wagnerians, putin there, in those countries where france always had a historical influence, the wagrians entered there, there is the question of rich resources, everything else, but geopolitically, putin and the wagnerites have humiliated france, maybe this is another factor, why macron has already taken the position he took among others. factors, but the last thing macron says is that we are ready, and when he

was threatened with nuclear weapons there, he calmly said everything, we are also a nuclear power, and pay attention, we do not know the conversation, i am very interested when our media comment on the conversation shuigu and the minister of defense of france, referring to the press statement of the russians, russians always lie about the essence of the conversation, as far as i can remember, to us, i was just... i was relatively new there in the eyes of prime minister yushchenko, and we knew it, we were told that as soon as you make a meeting, immediately release your communiqué, because the russians will lie and you will make excuses for a long time, so when such a communication took place here, and macron simply declared that he has the authority, these are not accidental words, and he did a tremendous job. held consultations with his political forces, and now to macron other brave countries are starting to step up,

there is norway, i think the baltics will be there, other scandinavian countries, there will be formed the club that was around us, a kind of nucleus, because when they talk about the secretary general, they talk about nato, well, we understand that there will be fizo in nato, there will be scholz, there will be orban, and if individual countries such as france. state their position, we don't know what defense minister shoigu was saying, he could have just warned shoigu that they have very serious intentions, and what we feel is... in fact, a signal that if there is a threat of a breakthrough, and now our president and many are saying that there is a threat that the front may break through, then the initiative of the french is to prevent russia from simply washing away like a dam kakhovska, to wash away the ukrainian defense and capture the country, and this

is very important, and here i again agree with lapin, well, the situation is very strange for me, why... that is why we do not formally congratulate and do not make an official appeal to the countries, so as not to guess there they will break through, they won't break through, they will vote in congress, will not vote, by the way, it is very important about the congress, if even ideally they would vote for this package of 60 billion, then it is important to understand that there will be 5, a maximum of 7 billion dollars for the defense of ukraine by the end of the year, this is not at all not those funds, all the other funds are going... from next year, and most of them will go to replenish the expenses of the pentagon, and one last remark, the initiative of the french, they say that they have made a decision that all these weapons, which they withdraw from the balance, they will not be there store it somewhere or dispose of it there, and they will immediately just hand it over to ukraine, why don't the americans do this,

it doesn't require a congressional decision, these brandleys, which we ultimately need, the 16th f'. they have thousands of aprams tanks in warehouses, why not simply transfer them? and you know that in reality, when we count these billions that shock the american voters, in fact, instead of showing the zero value of bradley, who is 40 years old there, they calculate for the pentagon's accounting the cost of a new modern armored personnel carrier, which costs many times more there, that is, there are so many questions about all this, but i saw this for myself... well, the perspective, because you have to cling to something in the analysis, you can't just be unreasonable somehow unreasonable optimist, and we also understand that they want to intimidate us, that a massive attack is coming, about which we were warned, that everything is lost, there will be no support, we discuss with you every day there what will happen in the congress, what will happen here, the president says that

the counterattack, we are discussing there rotation, no rotation, mobilization, and i just see a lot... they don't understand what they can rationally cling to, there won't be an invitation to washington to join nato, well, what will happen and it's clear to me that in fact now is our future, our chance, this is really integration into the club of brave european members of nato, but for this, by the way, by the way, you mentioned this summit, which is to be held on july 9:11, the anniversary summit, the 75th, but... but is it possible to consider what appears in the foreign press also the influence of russian ipson, including to a western western audience, because the italian republic wrote that giving up the occupied territories in exchange for security, the possibility of such an agreement to end the war in ukraine is being discussed in nato in the event that

donald trump wins the elections in the united states of america, according to the publication. of italian, ukraine can be offered immediate accession to nato if it gives up russia, crimea and all territories occupied for two years. to what extent can such a story be discussed at all, given the fact that the world ee is quite picky about this redistribution, about the stolen, and i think most countries don't want that precedent, because what russia will start... if they give back to russia the stolen territory, then it will continue between, between china, yes, then between india and pakistan, i.e. there will be dozens, maybe even hundreds, of such conflicts on the planet, i.e. whether such a scenario as the republic writes about is possible, given the risks for the entire planet, well, we have heard about

this scenario, again, this is nothing new information about it from time to time. the waves started, and here i really like those, you know, when they ask, it may or may not happen, this is a 50/50 forecast, it may or may not happen, that is, that such a scenario is being talked about somewhere, i believe that it is some analytical centers are there, and the russians amplify it quite skillfully, it can have a good time somewhere, and the fact that there are a lot of people in the western press who, well , are agents of russia's influence. well, this has been known since soviet times, russia and the soviet union have always fed influential people foreign correspondents, entire editorial offices, formed these media communities, took them to... all kinds of white nights in st. petersburg and so on, i met with such people in spain, for example, where there are a lot of pro-russian leftists, so this is also understandable, but this

does not at all solve the challenges facing the western world, because in fact, this is again what the world war institute wrote about, this is a discussion in the world that russia has created for itself, this is such a virtual world, and in that world such it is possible but in the real world russia has no chance defeat a real coalition, well, it’s just that the total gross product of the countries of the western coalition is somewhere around 60 or so trillion, and in russia there are two two with a hook, well, you can’t win economically in any way, i’m already silent about military things, so in the real world russia will lose one hundred percent, what is it counting on and what is it doing, well, first of all it is... that the americans will leave, and putin really planned and really hoped that this would simply be a domino effect in the european union, that the europeans

would quarrel and simply collapse military support and ukraine will simply sag, it turned out quite wrong, the delay and indecisiveness of the behavior of the united states greatly mobilized europe, mobilized macron in different ways. what macron did, he created a completely unexpected problem for putin, because macron says that if there are no red lines in russia, we should not have red lines either, why should they, and here we see blinken's statements and everything else, they cannot stand criticism, because when you hear scholz's statements there that he will not have a foot in ukraine, statements by the american president that there will be no legs of nato soldiers or american soldiers, well, never say never, and how do you then... defend western values, which means you do not want to prepare for a direct confrontation, if there are already nato, american troops, for example, in poland, they have a small border, but they have a border

there with russia, they have already approached there, it is generally some kind of, well, very illogical position, and macron felt it well, and he took this niche, the only possible leadership, and he is not from her will come down, because if he took away scholz, we don't expect germany'. because we understand that you are afraid, well, what european politician would want to be proud of the fact that he belongs to the club of cowards, and this is a challenge to the white house, and also to that, well, we are not talking about the orbans and the sfits, these are understandable people , but for european politicians, especially now against the background of the parliamentary elections and the processes that are taking place, this is now a real choice, and at the same time public public support, which in the united... states, which tiz france has, she, she is quite high, but here again, ukraine has a lot to do here, i really, i'll be honest, i really don't like the trend that

we are filling the vacancies of ambassadors with simply dismissed officials, i already hear that there is another wave of dismissed advisers, god knows who from the banking industry, and each of them sees himself on the diplomatic field, well, with such a diplomatic front, we have serious problems, not to mention... the need for internal changes, internal reforms, if for reform, by the way, venediktovush was sent messengers, rather to switzerland, and now already they predict that kostya, the current prosecutor general, will go to norway, because danilov did not get to norway, whom they did not want to see there, and danilov is being sent as an ambassador to moldova, well , that's in addition to this whole personnel catastrophe, which is now diplomatic, but i, mr. oleg, wanted to... ask you about what lavrov, putin's ally, said during the round table with diplomats, he said that

zelensky's peace formula is the ultimate, and he, in his opinion, china has offered today the clearest and most intelligent plan settlement around ukraine, and russia is ready to discuss security guarantees of ukraine only if the dialogue continues. on equal terms, let's listen to what exactly lavrov said, how did he say it? this formula does not include any compromises, no alternatives, it completely ignores those made with the best motives, the initiative proposals that were once heard in the people's republic of china, from the south african republic, brazil, the league of arab states, all this is being listened to. but is not and will not be taken into account in any way. some cosmetic refinements are possible, but the essence of zelenskyi's formula as an ultimatum

remains unchanged. he says that this dialogue is possible on equal terms, on equal terms with whom? again, they lead us into their world, here they are, they have their own matrix, they live in that matrix, and they try to convince us that in fact the matrix is ​​the real world, because what happens is well known , that the defense of ukrainians is perceived as aggression, that... there is support by the western world for ukraine's right to independence is perceived as a threat to russia and everything else, and well , here is the formula with china, remember , it was hidden, in my opinion, the cuckoo praised the rooster here , first of all, the first sentence, i remember well that in the chinese peace plan, the first point was the recognition of borders and sovereignty

states, i.e. how... that it is accepted by russia, then you can talk further, but they, they never reveal this formula, they talk about the desire, and shaigu told the french minister of defense there that you better don't go to ukraine, you don't need it to do, and demonstrated that they are ready for the istanbul agreements, that is, they work for their global south, they work for their... audience, but they constantly drag us into their matrix, and in that matrix they manipulate all sorts of things , as they want, what is the challenge for the world here? well, the fact is that if the aggressor in the 21st century after the second world war for the first time manages to get away with impunity without a single one, well, how did hitler, how hitler

attacked poland accusing the fact that... poland was the first to attack germany, here nothing there is nothing new, approximately 20% of the territory, if not more, and they also want it, so that the world recognizes it, i understand that the condition of their willingness to talk there is not only that they want to take the territory, but they will recall the previous demands, ukraine must be de-nazified, disarmed, and then, let's just remember the last one there... the meeting of those devilish orthodox led by kirill, who clearly said that all of ukraine must be in the russian sphere, that is , can the world really so go, what's here to the ukrainians, what is the point here for the ukrainians, what are the ukrainians talking about here ? seconds there destroyed 200 weights. he

simply fired missiles and continued to react very harshly when he had to show his temper, how in this world he would be able to fulfill the role of the president of the largest country, and he really wants to be feared and respected there, if the world order simply collapses, well, because north korea, ot now we are anxiously watching what iran will be there, whether there will be a massive attack on israel or not, because there is a threat that the middle east will flare up, now we are watching statements from time to time. there are serbs in the balkans, because it is all being said that putin will create islands of instability for the democratic world, he is sowing chaos, and there must be an answer to this chaos, if yes, thank you, mr. oleg, it was oleg hrybachuk, the former head of the presidential office yushchenko and the former deputy prime minister of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the spressoya tv channel, our colleague kateryna galko is in touch with us.

another trial of the spy took place today. roman chervinskyi, a former intelligence officer, and today they had to decide whether to extend the former intelligence officer's term of detention. kateryna is with us now live. katerina, i congratulate you, please tell me the details of the proceedings and what decision the judges reached during today's meeting. i congratulate sergey, i congratulate the viewers of the espres tv channel. so today's petition. shevchenkivskyi considered the extension of roman chervinskyi's detention capital district court. the hearing began at 10 a.m. and lasted about 10 hours. today we watched a rather dynamic trial, a dynamic session with a bright polemic between the lawyers and the prosecutor, the lawyers and the judge. there was also plenty of time to hear roman chervinsky himself, i suggest hearing him as well.