at the front, it is very important from a psychological point of view, but such large weapon cases, i think, after all, it is primarily ammunition and production and missiles for well, what is constantly spent at the front, a large order, if certain significant funds will pass through a plant located in ukraine, with investments either, well, probably with investments, these are already big cases, and when... when rainemetal will show everyone that locating plants in the baltic countries, locating a plant in ukraine, is actually not only gives new ones orders, governmental and western, but also with a larger capitalization, well, this will encourage a lot of people, despite the inertia, i think that the main reason why there are no americans here yet with such ideas is inertia, they simply do not see this mechanism yet, mr. oleksii, thank you very much for... the time you found for our

viewers, for your explanations, we look forward to further meetings on our air, i will remind the viewers that it was oleksii yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, and now we are joined by paul verkhniatskyi is the director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace issues of the american-ukrainian business council. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, glad to see you. heard on the air. good afternoon, sami. you probably heard a piece of conversation with oleksiy yezhak, who said that american companies are in no hurry to enter the ukrainian market, they are looking at the experience of europeans, whether the europeans will succeed there or not with the ukrainian defense industry. publications in the foreign press, in particular new the york times, which i mentioned at the beginning, which also says that american companies are lagging behind european ones in the...

ukrainian market, what would you say against the background of these statements, against the background of these realities, if they are a reality, with given the fact that you know in detail what american defense companies think about ukraine and when they are actually going to enter the ukrainian market. well, unfortunately, i have to agree with your previous guest that american companies are really in no rush, they're all looking, they all... and actively communicate with both the state and the private sector, at the same time it is impossible to say that they lag behind the european ones either, because this is the second, unfortunately, because it can be said that european companies are very active have already entered, they are doing something, it is also probably not possible, there are declarations, there are certain steps, but they are all around quite insignificant from the point of view of industry, but...

projects are spinning, at the same time american companies, we see a certain dynamic , at least, we can see how they looked at what a year ago, in general, from across the ocean is happening here, primarily focused their efforts on working with the american government so that their equipment ended up in ukraine, in orders for ukraine, but with american money. to date, of course, and against the background of the delay in the adoption of the aid budget for ukraine in the amount of about 60 billion dollars by the congress, and against the background of some well-developed communication, american companies have at least begun to visit, they have already received permits to at least come to ukraine, this is already well, they physically come here...

arrive, communicate, import enough of a good level of delegation, well, delegations, these are very working visits, which in principle are good, not politicized, but concrete, concrete communication, moreover, for several weeks now we can see how some companies that have not been here for a very long time have already physically sent her colleagues for certain certain negotiations. moreover, from american companies you can note there, for example, a certain activity, and from the giants, you can probably single out boeing, they have been here for a long time and they have a representative office here, but really specialists in the military, and the boeing component, it is significantly different there from the civilian sector, and they also already have certain activities here, of course, i will not say any details, unfortunately, but... something is happening with the manufacturers of

air environment drones, for example, too they sell drones here at the expense of american money, uh, but they are already setting up some kind of service here, for example, techniques, so that's also not bad, these are the first steps, but it can't be called such a big industry, a big industry yet, that's all in in principle, as i already told you once, by the way, everything rests on the market, that is, when we say why companies do not enter or enter our market, we must show this market, if we do not have the budget to buy large volumes. weapons, then all we have to do is talk about potential joint work on foreign markets, and i think you know very well, uh, what kind of process it is, especially at a time when there is a war in our country. and mr. pavle, we can then

conclude that de facto american companies, frankly, do not make sense to come here enter, because last year 40 billion, we received 13, the rest were received by american companies at home, is there a new package? will go to an american company, we make weapons for the pentagon, they are supplied to ukraine, and the business of american companies in any case grows without these risks of creating joint ventures, trips to ukraine there for other things, and then such a dynamic, well, i think that the americans will be quite satisfactory, except for the moment of repair of equipment, maintenance of equipment, these are two small components that it is possible there, at the expense of the training of our military there, in principle, in a qualitative way... to solve and such a model is quite working, if we approach this purely from an investment, investment, let's say, paradigm, then here there are no illusions, what is called, but what is ours in this the case that inspires a certain optimism about

joint some significant industrial projects with american companies is, surprisingly, politics and a political component in the arms business. uh, as you well know, uh, sometimes more important, or at least very important, uh, on the same level, maybe, as the commercial component, therefore, taking into account the geopolitical distribution of forces and, er, the changes taking place in the world, the political component can help us a little in terms of joint projects with powerful and foreign partners, including the united states. then the question arises, if the president suddenly changes in the states during the elections, will this, inertia, or this concession,

progress towards cooperation with ukraine be preserved, even on the scale that exists today, we remember that somewhere last year, mrs. pritzker said about the fact that ukraine is now extremely important for american defense companies, can offer many joint projects, the statement sounded, we can see the results now that they are peculiar without joint ventures and so on, but will the change of power in the united states affect these trends that were started under the current president? i would not like to contrast one administration with another, but what i can emphasize is that, as you rightly said, under the current administration there is a certain trend, but at the same time there is also inhibition, and not only in the aspect that depends , for example, from the congress, yes, ah, and in other aspects as well, this is also the transfer of technologies, this is

a special representative, an adviser, under the minister of strategy, these are other issues, and i don’t think that they are very much... they depend on the will of this or that particular president, america still has a fairly stable political system, and you know, i don’t want to draw such unequivocal conclusions, including about this hint, which i will say now, javelins we got under trump, and the first weapon of attack we received from during the administration. trump and say that if there will be a change, if there will be a new president in the united states, and it will be trump, then it will not necessarily have a negative impact. of course, there are big risks, we all understand, there is the human factor of this particular person,

the unpredictability is certain, but with the right diplomatic work, and i think we have a good chance and with... a new administration, based on the fact that america - it's still a system, and we are already a certain element, and i don't want to blow it up there, but... in a certain sense, we are an element of national security of the united states, that we are at war, in fact, with one of the key, one of the key threats to the united states. mr. pavle, you are meeting with american companies of a defense profile, what do you tell them about the prospects of working with ukraine, start, don't delay, wait, what advice do you have? you give them, how do they react to it? this is a good question in

the sense that it is good that we have a broadcast in the ukrainian language, in fact, we have all already, you know, got a bite to eat somewhere, and we are working to attract, contact, establish, we do not find arguments, how to say, ah... but practical, yes, for american companies, and these are primarily emphasis on potential foreign markets, on the fact that we have, ah, well, a colossal, no we, and the armed forces, have enormous experience in the use of weapons , including western ones, and a technological component in the sense that we have an intellectual resource, because to say that we have some advanced technologies, unfortunately , it is also not possible, but there is an intellectual component. certain points there are related to cheapening weapons and competition there potentially from china

in foreign markets and so on. we argue all this, at the same time, well, we perfectly understand that it is impossible to approach this purely as an investment project, but for ukraine this is a big economic issue, that is, the military industry will, i hope, still be enough. an element of our economic growth over time, and a plus, i emphasize once again, this is a political component, it is important, ukraine needs allies such as the united states, as well as european ones, of course, and the arms market and industry, armaments is one of the elements of close cooperation, mr. pavle, thank you very much for such a diplomatic conversation related to... regarding the prospects of cooperation with the united states, i hope that in our next meetings we will talk in more detail about those

projects that have already will appear for that period of time, thank you for your comments, for your correct accents, and i will remind our viewers that it was pavlo verkhniatskyi, director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace issues of the american-ukrainian business council, then we will... talk about sweden's experience in creating a powerful defense-industrial complex and what can be used from that experience in ukraine and how sweden itself views the prospects for cooperation with ukraine specifically in the defense-industrial sector tsarina, but about it after the advertising and information block. vasyl zima's big broadcast. two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about war and what life is like. world, two hours to keep up with economic news and sports news, two hours in the company of favorite

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our enemy has, and now we will talk about it using the example of cooperation with sweden, and now we have yuriy voytenko, the head and founder of the wireless p2p company, on the phone technology, it is a company in sweden, but it is founded ukrainians, the company produces high-tech products that are already used both in sweden itself and in nato countries. mr. yuriy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, each other, thank you, i congratulate you, i would like to make such a small retrospective, because sweden transferred to us a significant amount of technological weapons, there are also howitzers. archers, bmp cv90, a significant number of anti-tank weapons, but i want to do something joint, and about two months ago , it seems, the president of ukraine was at a conference in sweden, because he spoke about what is joint production with sweden is a priority for us, and i am sure, says zelensky, that a day will come when you and i will be able to see

the opening of the first joint production in ukraine, - the head of state said then. so at what point are we now, in accordance with this goal, how does the defense industry in sweden in general now perceive the prospects of working with ukraine? er, well, a complex issue, generally perceived quite positively, and there are quite specific examples where ee swedish companies, in particular the same saab, or by systems, well, they are in principle. have already made a final decision for themselves that this is how they cooperate with i simply do not know who the counterparty is in ukraine, probably ukrabaron pro, or one of the big players, but in principle there are already positive signals of such cooperation, that is, it has begun, well by the way, you are talking about who the counterparties are, i am talking with

representatives of our analytical structure, with representatives of the american side, they are the same... we sometimes do not know who our counterparty is in solving certain projects, so this such an achilles heel i hope, first of all, from the ukrainian side, which should get rid of it, but is the ukrainian market even interesting for sweden, because sweden is self-sufficient, and actually talking about the fact that there is a need to expand sales markets at the expense of ukraine, it looks somehow, well, sometimes it is not entirely appropriate from the perspective those for those capacities, those projects that... are implemented by swedish companies, well, i absolutely agree, in principle, sweden is one of the huge exporters of arms in the world, i don't know what level there is, it is fifth or sixth in the world for volume of arms exports, it is almost a 100% export- oriented military-industrial complex,

although there is also an actual order, and now it has increased there, in my opinion, by a factor of two. well, here is the question, it is necessary to understand what ukraine itself can provide to the swedes, where is the point of synergy, for what or cooperation, it is not just a market, but the swedes have produced something and conditionally sold it to ukraine, this must be understood in the context of cooperation , which the ukrainian side has so interesting for swedish companies to jointly develop some high-tech product. we can talk about it, there are certain developments, then the question arises, what is so interesting in ukraine that can be interesting for sweden, because you, i don't know, have been trying and communicating with our defense enterprises for seven or eight years, so what is interesting in ukraine for sweden? well, actually my

case may not be so interesting, although it is very nothing. history, a very niche product, now it is very interesting from the ukrainian side to sweden to consider such an interesting aspect, it is a real experience, or feedback, as is the case say, from the battlefield, because the huge amount of weapons that were produced in nato countries, conditionally, now not only in sweden, in the united states, in the uk, anywhere, it turned out that there are questions, there are questions about tactics, there are... questions about performance characteristics, there are questions about the moral obsolescence of certain types of weapons, not all of them, of course, but there are such questions, so this feedback, which comes directly in real time from the battlefield, is the most valuable thing that ukraine can give now to swedish companies, and believe me, they understand it quite well, that is, we are talking about the fact that the use of

archer howitzers, bmp cv90, anti-tank weapons is now being carefully studied. by the swedes, to make the next iterations of this weapon even more technological, taking into account the challenges that they saw on the battlefield, well , a small example, enlau after certain problems with the rechargeable batteries, yes, with the batteries that are included in the kit, certain processes began and i know there are certain projects to modernize these batteries. and for anlau, because they're just, well, even if they're expired, they they simply did not withstand the performance characteristics that were included in them, here is a specific example, already as feedback. entered and the swedes began to work on, began to work on this problem. and what should ukraine actually do in order to interest

sweden in such a systemic partnership up to the exit of joint ventures, to offer contracts, to offer some kind of improved financial conditions there, which is systematically lacking, which , well, does not yet give the effect of synergy at the level that are we expecting well, first of all, of course, the horizon of planning, because the whole to a swedish company, the same saap or any one, they work on extremely long horizons, the same system was developed there for five years or more, and for this there is a certain procedure, certain contracts with fmv or directly there with some by the customer, by the way, it is good that ukraine finally has an analogue of the fmv or nspa procurement of the yunativska procurement company. this is perceived very well, extremely positively, because there is a specific algorithm for how to submit a commercial offer, how to receive an invitation to a tender, how to cooperate with state institutions in

ukraine, that is the next question without a doubt, and what is a certain problem for swedish companies, precisely in cooperation with ukraine, is what is called plm, or product. that is, they didn’t just install a bunch of enlavs or a bunch of some equipment, but also staff training, support for this product, long-term support for this and that equipment product, updates, a lot of software that changes every day, it needs to be updated, and that’s it, basically yes the practice here... oh, but i'm not sure that there is something similar in ukraine, because, for example, you can put a modern radar over it, and then not update the database of waveforms, and it

simply will not see what, in principle, it should to see, purely in terms of physical characteristics, that is why this synergy, this life cycle management, it should also somehow be implemented in this cooperation with ukrainian companies. and finally, i will ask, it seems, three times during these years of the war, different officials came to sweden, talked about global projects, about global desires, what was after the conclusion of these visits, that is , was there any real continuation, because i am afraid that this, that in fact this habit of visits will still form the basis of such good real system interactions, does it succeed today well... let's say yes, this is not a binary logic, something somewhere in the middle , but yes, of course, there were visits, there were very loud slogans there, all this is wonderful, certain

processes, as i said at the beginning, have started, but the potential of the swedish industry is so great that it could have been better, actually, well mr. yuriy, i don't want to end the conversation on this though... it's better, what positive things are there now in the work with sweden, which really help ukraine on the battlefield, a few things, okay, definitely, well, there are specific contracts that are being implemented and supplies planned for several years in advance, therefore, in certain niches, everything is going normally there, the production is developed, it has, in principle, already reached certain parameters, in terms of quantities, according to dates, according to'. in shipments there are certain channels, how it is done, therefore supply, therefore basically that that's normal, just that the potential is so great that it would be possible to actually overwhelm

with these weapons if you prepared in advance, but in principle this process is also going normally, let's say this, and considering what kind of products it is, the range of which, everything is fine there, but it can’t open up a little, but now it seems... a big meeting between the swedish defense industry association and a number of ukrainian defense companies is coming to exchange experience there again, what kind of event it will be, what might be the result after such exchange of ideas on the current stage of hostilities with the russian federation? well, i’m saying it’s an extremely interesting experience, how modern polobo is changing, because many systems that are already, let’s say, morally outdated , are in service, they need to be removed, something to replace them, er, put in, and for this it is necessary to understand what modern threats actually are, and what are the tactics

used in principle. this is especially interesting in the context of attacks on infrastructure, and this is extraordinary, this is a unique experience, no one in the world has such experience, this is something that can ukraine dates in the context of all visits, there exchange of experience and so on. sweden, for its part, will adjust its industrial capabilities to meet the needs of the modern battlefield, or military in order to, shall we say, address these threats, correctly. mr. yuri, here is a final question for you based on your experience of perceiving events on the front line. and we once did a program with you last year where you talked about the fact that fpv drones will be decisive there on the battlefield. this prediction came true, but now what is your further attempt to look beyond the horizon to see what exactly will change on the front line of the use of weapons there, well, in the next 3-6 months there. what should

be prepared for in certain segments of using samples of weapons or tactics? well, thin ice, if in such broad strokes, then its new ranges of purity are unambiguous, the wider, the better, e non-kinetic means of influence, electromagnetic and the like, well, it is definitely all types of development that only exist e. radioelectronic, space, whatever - which, that is, it is all united into a single one contour, yes, so to speak, the movoilchain, that is, from detection to defeat by various methods, kinetic, non-kinetic, and so on, this is the perspective of the next six months, a year, you see the movement of the ukrainian side, specifically ukrainian developers, in this direction, well, without a doubt, we will constantly receive communications connection with ukrainian companies, this is

modern experience, we absolutely adequately analyze the current state of the electromagnetic spectrum, which is absolutely unique in the world, i will say yes, there are such anomalies, phenomena that have never existed, but now they are, so it must also be addressed adequately from the point of view of equipment, technical characteristics, by the way, you asked about fpv drones, well there is already an obvious problem, because it is all built on civilian components, which in no way meet the requirements that exist now. that is, there is simply not enough frequency resource for their effective use, mr. yuri, thank you for the inclusion, i hope that in peacetime we will talk in more detail about what means were used in the war, and technological things that affected opponents, let's keep quiet about it for now, thanks for the inclusion, let me remind you that it was yuriy voytenko, the founder and head of the swedish company wireless p2p technology, which

has been working in sweden for a long time and supplies. technological products for nato countries and has close contacts with ukraine. summing up, we can say that there are essential prerequisites for the ukrainian army to become stronger through cooperation with foreign companies. not all companies, there are european and american, have the same strategies and views on cooperation with ukraine. to a large extent , it depends on their policy, but sometimes... there are the akhedlesov fifth on the example of the ukrainian side, when we talk about a certain bureaucracy, labyrinths in creating such active, working connections with foreign companies, we hope that the ukrainian side these defects will be eliminated as soon as possible, and we will have much more effective results of creating new types of weapons together with american and european defense companies, stay tuned to the espresso channel, there will be a lot of interesting things to come. two passed

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