long-range weapons, they believe that the ukrainians can strike on the territory of the russian state, and then the russians can fly to them, they still, in your opinion, hope to find some common language with putin and the russians, because if they talk about that , that russia must be defeated, or rather, they say that ukraine must not be defeated, from which i conclude that russia must obviously be defeated. do they want this war to end in a draw, relatively speaking, and they again were friends with the russians, and that is why these weapons do not reach us, although it is absolutely obvious that such weapons are now necessary in order to defeat the russians, well, now i heard part of a conversation with the honorable pavel klinkin, and where he says that now the american parliament has turned into, well, almost like ours, it is also not predictable when they will vote, the devil knows if they will vote at all, well, the only thing that seems to be... there are no open

corruption scandals behind you, but santa barbara is really interesting in them , very such a long stretch, the soap stretches in them, and there is a large one such a concept that the united states is afraid, well, i don't know, it is appropriate to use the term afraid, wary, afraid, tense, about the fact that the russian federation, well, of course, this is a retaliatory strike, this is a direct confrontation, the americans have something to lose... to the russians, well, look how they live in the mud, well, in the mud except for moscow, of course , moscow is covered in gold and stones and peter, everything else is mud, that is, they have nothing to lose, that the way of life of the americans is built in such a way that everyone uses the dollar, new york, las vegas has it all, well, they wouldn't want to lose it in the ashes of a nuclear war. this, of course, is what they are afraid of, but to put it more pragmatically, it is the potential collapse of the russian federation, yes, it would be great for us, it is everyone's dream. a russian

citizen of ukraine, so that russia breaks up into 100-500 different separate principalities, and there they all fight, all shoot, rape each other and everything, here it is all the seat of gomorrah, we would really be interested in this, but the americans viewed from a geopolitical point of view, what are they afraid of, weapons, classic conventional weapons, that it is like in the 90s, it will begin to spread to the middle east, to african countries, to get into the hands of some middle eastern, far eastern, i don't know. terrorist groups, and then it will turn against american military personnel, american citizens everywhere, all over the globe, they don't like it very much, even more they don't like it falling into the hands of any unknown terrorists or dealers in nuclear weapons, components of means of delivery, any missiles, and the potential creation of, for example, or an actual nuclear bomb by some other countries that, well...besides the ones that are, and

the creation of a dirty nuclear bomb, what is a dirty nuclear bomb? i will remind your respected viewers, this is something small, conditional in a backpack, in a suitcase, this charge, an explosive, it explodes, there is no chain reaction, there is no mushroom, there is no light, it just explodes and radioactive materials fly away, and there in the affected area of this explosive device, geiger counter he is for... and there is no i know that no one will be able to live there for 500 years, the americans are really afraid of this, that they can detonate this bomb somewhere in the manhattan area, that is, it is a very big fear, fear, and therefore i think that all this in a complex affects the position of white home well, they are also afraid that the russians may commit, as they say, dangerous actions at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, just a few days ago the russians reported that... as if the ukrainians

launched two drones into the dome of one of the premises of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant , the spokesman of the department of the united states of america , matthew miller, said that yesterday's drone attack on zas did not endanger nuclear security, but warned russia against dangerous actions, let's listen to what matthew miller said. russia is playing a very dangerous game by seizing the ukrainian nuclear power plant, which is the largest in europe. this is dangerous, and we continue to call on russia to withdraw its military and civilian personnel from the enterprise, to return full control of the station to the competent ukrainian authorities authorities and refrain from any actions that could lead to a nuclear incident at the station. mr. ivan, all over the world terrorists are not talked to.

they are urged not to do what should not be done, terrorists are usually destroyed, because , well, yes, it has always been like that, except that now there are some current groups warning against terrorist acts, why is there no black and white in the world now , well, there are terrorists and aggressors, there are victims of terrorist acts, if terrorists seize a nuclear facility, then these are nuclear terrorists who they are blackmailing absolutely the whole world, not even ukrainians, and well, in this situation, when the zaporizhia nuclear power plant has been in the hands of that for two years. it seems very strange to the russians who were captured that they are somehow trying to convince them, to warn them, there is no need to do this, be careful there with the reactors, why does the world still not take a hard approach to nuclear terrorism, because if some other group did it, no

terrorist state russia, then probably that terrorist group would be put there in a very short period of time, let's explain. this is a matter of composition, let's eat this elephant piece by piece, and yes, i understand your opinion, well, terrorists who negotiate with terrorists must be destroyed, well, the russian federation, it is not a terrorist, it is an aggressor country, well , let's define once -secondly, this is a problem of ukraine, because we lost control over our object, this is not a problem of the united states, this is a problem of ukraine, this is not a problem of india, china, this is a problem of ukraine, ukraine has to solve this, ukraine has the strength, resources, means, there are no opportunities. secondly, if we use such a term that the russian federation is a terrorist country and there, well , they have to be treated like that, the big difference is that when the united states confronts a terrorist group, for example, the taliban in afghanistan, then they use aviation, there are ground forces, there are

large cruise missiles, and taliban backstabbing terrorist tactics, here in this case this potential terrorist organization is the russian federation. there is a big advantage, first of all, the territory is 17 million2 km, plus the nuclear triad, what is the nuclear triad, it is aviation, these are naval forces that can carry a nuclear warhead, ground forces, these are big mines where they are opened, this is a strategic nuclear warhead, it takes off, it can fly 5-10 00 km there, and this is aviation, aviation that can carry nuclear nuclear charges, and the russian federation, as a terrorist country, it surpasses even the united states in terms of... the number of nuclear warheads, the last known data were as follows, approximately 600 nuclear warheads in the russian federation in total, and approximately somewhere, well, the united states was equal to 1500 times applied in active state, that is, it is very difficult to deal with such terrorists

, it will simply threaten a total nuclear war and the end of humanity as such. against the background of this terrorist, anti-terrorist hysteria in russia, when they accuse the ukrainians of complicity in the fact that we even financed these terrorists there, who committed a terrorist attack in crocus hall, they are already saying, today already there , a russian spy began to say that there the burizma company, in which, by the way, hunter biden was involved, do you remember this story, a long story. and trump once convinced zelenskyi that let's activate the case before the last presidential election, then this whole story almost ended with the impeachment of trump, and now they dragged burisma out, shook, showed, you see, burisma financed these terrorists,

they were supposed to take this million rubles from kyiv , these tajiks who were driving this unfortunate car from moscow, what do you think, that's what they're doing with... both biden and biden's son before that, it's designed for the domestic consumer only, do they still think so, that some countries there, well, i don't know, the global south or maybe other countries there, that they can perceive this information as serious, in addition to convenience, because here is burisma - it is really possible that this is one of the last known cases when the united states crosses ukraine , well, very seriously, and what can be used. to the russian federation, this is how they entangle these tajiks, you rightly said about a million rubles, i'm just curious, but where are they? you can find rubles in kyiv, well, a million euros, you can find them, you can find a million dollars, a million rubles, of course not, well, where

can you find them, in kyiv there are none, even in an antique shop, you are unlikely to find them, because there burned everything, here is a question, here it somehow crosses the united states. they are behind all of this, and here in ukraine, if you are interested in ukraine, hunter biden is here, that is, it is all invested. i think it's working now for the election against incumbent president joseph biden. and in favor of donald trump, i think, in this way the russians are trying to play along, and so that it affects the electorate in the united states, what you see, here you see, this is how they work, because they commit terrorist acts, here they finance ukraine, ukraine is a terrorist, on equal to idil, and biden supports idil and supports the terrorist government of ukraine, so you should vote for another candidate. thank you, mr. ivan, for the conversation, it was ivan stupayu. military expert, former employee of the security service of ukraine. friends, we work in live broadcast of the tv channel, as well as on our

youtube and facebook platforms. subscribe to our platforms, participate in our voting. today we are asking you about whether you consider the channels of the single telethon strategic for the economy and security of the state. why we ask about this, i repeat throughout our program, so that there are no different interpretations. because they booked kahn's employees. of the single telethon from mobilization to the armed forces of ukraine, referring to the fact that the single telethon is strategic for the economy and state security, do you think that these channels are strategic for the economy and state security, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you pick up a smartphone or phone and watch us on tv, then there are special numbers for you, yes 0800 211 381, no, 0800-2113. 82, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this

vote. next, ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, will be in touch with us. mr. igor, i am you greetings, thank you for joining our conversation. congratulations. well, actually, here is our survey, which i am asking now, in which i am asking tv viewers and viewers to take part, it is a stack. this mobilization of 2024, tomorrow the verkhovna rada of ukraine should start consideration of the law on mobilization in the second reading, more than 400 amendments, i do not know which part of these amendments will be approved and which will not be approved, obviously tomorrow the head of the parliamentary profile committee will report to the verkhovna rada of ukraine , but in this mobilization law, which will be considered parliament, this will be a challenge... for president zelensky, and it will be a challenge for all of ukraine, because after this the rules of mobilization,

demobilization must change or be regulated in ukraine, and this order will affect probably 95% of all men who will be recognized as suitable and the status of limited suitable will become suitable, how do you assess the prospects for the adoption of this law, because this... can be compared, except with the constitution of ukraine, well , such a fundamental law, which will determine a lot of things that will affect the future, the current , but also for the future of ukraine. what do you say, watching the news reports and what is happening around this mobilization law, is there a prospect that this law will be passed? i think that sooner or later it will be adopted, the key question here is when itself... it will happen, as of today, the situation is quite sad, because, as far as i

know, those attempts to establish communication between the office of the president and, first of all, the monomajority, they have not yet been brought to a logical conclusion there, and significantly some of the deputies are from the people's servants, they do not yet know how they, well, they will participate in the discussion of this draft law, perhaps put forward some of their wishes or claims, vote there or not vote for the amendments. but whether they will be ready to finally vote for it in the second reading, for now, this question is open, since there are several principled positions that will be decided from the wheels and decided directly in the session hall. at the same time, the office of the president tried to work actively enough with various groups that are in the parliament, including within the monomajority itself, in order to gather the necessary number of votes and have an understanding that there... for example, in a week, in two, this bill will be voted on, here you understand, there is another such nuance, voting

for it, and in the possible, well, the nearest period, it is also strategically important from the point of view of those processes that are unfolding in the united states of america, because a certain number, for example, republicans, they well, not on camera, but some say on camera that we first want to see what will happen with the law on mobilization in ukraine, and then make a final decision whether or not to allocate aid. so if a strange situation does not turn out that we are your money, and you are not engaged in those things that should be important to you, so in this context, well, i definitely predict enough such, you know, serious, work and difficult work directly in session hall, maybe even with some attempts to block it tribune, to bring some issues to the informational, public space as much as possible, to speculate somewhere on some specific issues, and then finally reach some kind of agreement, some kind of compromise option, but at the same time , there remains one more important point, which connected with the fact that there is a possibility that even

if this law is considered and then voted accordingly in the supreme court. council, the president, for example, can veto him, well, because he will see that he does not enjoy any support at all there in society, he will draw attention to some of the most odious points and will demand from the parliament to change them, why this will happen, because today, and this, by the way, is visible even from some statements of representatives of people who are close to authorities, which are engaged in information support of the government's activities, they have not decided who and how will communicate with society about this law. judging by the last interview, he will not take final political responsibility, he said that this is the prerogative of the verkhovna rada, and but many deputies in the verkhovna rada do not like this story, and i think that it can be precisely the reason for delaying the consideration of this draft law, or voting for it, you know, in a very neutered form, which in turn may not

be liked, for example, to the armed forces of ukraine, who wanted to see there, let's say , a solution, yes, but in fact they will see completely different ones, which will directly affect the pace and quality of the mobilization that will be carried out in the country. the quality and pace of mobilization can and can be affected to influence some of the stories that appeared just before the consideration of this bill in the second reading in the council, for example, the handing over of summonses, etc., to the slidstvo-info journalist, who was conducting an investigation into the head of the cyber security department of the sbu, ilya vityuk, and one of vityuk's subordinates brought two tetskashnyk and showed to whom the summons should be served, they approached our colleague right in the trading hall and began to serve

him the summons, today it became known that ilyu vityuka, who was... the head of the department sbu cyber security, if any, was sent to the front today, where he will perform special tasks together with the alpha unit, the head of the slidstvainfo agency, anna babinets, said. let me remind you that vytyuk, writes anna, is a figure in our investigation about elite property in pechersk, as well as a person who wanted to take revenge on the slidstvo info journalist with a subpoena. now he himself went to the front, punishment by war, as it is, punishment by war in quotes, of course. and today it became known that the head of the solomyansky tsk in kyiv, whose employees tried to hand the journalist a summons ordered by the sbu, was transferred to a lower position in one of the combat units of the armed forces of ukraine. obviously, obviously, these stories will be repeated in one way or another, and

somewhere this story will gain publicity, somewhere it will not gain publicity. this story, how much mobilization, which, i repeat once again, will obviously affect 95% of all men in ukraine, how much it will affect society, the temperature inside society, you have already said about that zelensky can at some point veto this law and say, listen, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted the wrong law, shmygel submitted the wrong law, and i , as the supreme commander, that this should not happen, the probability that yes will happen, tall, well, it is tall enough now, why? because there really is an ambiguous perception of this bill on mobilization in society in general, and this ambiguity rests on two things: firstly, why did they start making changes to the mobilization legislation so late in general, and

two years before, they said that everything was under control and there was no need for such a new mobilization, and the second point, well, this is really a question. justice, this story, which you mentioned with the handing over of the summons to the journalist, and then with the sending of the people who were involved in this story somewhere to the front, it is clear, has a negative effect on mobilization processes in the country in general, and punishment by war, well in quotation marks there, or as a punishment sent to the front, but this is an absolutely unacceptable situation, or there is a transfer to some lower position, well, to me it seems that if a person is involved... in a certain scheme that may contain signs of certain corruption or the execution of the orders of those who have nothing to do with it, well , what sbu has anything to do with, for example, territorial assembly centers, well, they can have only relation. if they are investigating some state case, for example, treason, in everything else they cannot give such orders, it should probably end with specific cases in general, and not with a transfer to some

other position, and of course citizens for they watch all this, then they look at the story, you asked the question at the beginning, yes, for the tv viewers, dear ones , about the reservation of the employees there for the telethon and so on, and so the citizens look at all this and they have a lot of questions, why in manual mode. there is essentially the serving of these subpoenas or the determination of those who are subject to reservation, who are not subject to reservation and many other such matters, and it really creates this threat that the president, seeing at the end, to what all this leads to, and that he will be responsible for it, bringing him some results of sociological polls, no matter how he tries to avoid this topic, he still has to sign the law in the end, and he is the supreme commander in chief, he will be shown there that this will greatly affect the rating there. he will lose another 15-20 or maybe more percent of his trust, and he will have a really certain temptation to simply block this decision, by the way, it will be a very bad story, because objectively, the new

rules for mobilizing or rationing those which were before, we need them, it just has to happen in an adequate way and not cause rejection among the citizens because of some injustice there or because of some problems that arise, so the only thing we can hope for is that after all ... after all, the law will pass through the crucible of the verkhovna rada, indeed , some odious things will be removed there, and at the exit we will receive a more or less adequate document, which will not cause any special reservations, primarily from citizens of ukraine, but look, in parallel with this, we have to deal with other things, as this morning the prime minister instructed all the enterprises there to review the issue of reservations and so on, so this had to be done much more. and this should be done as publicly as possible in order to form a certain system of criteria that will be the same for everyone, that will be clear, that will be public, citizens will clearly know who

works where, who can count on this reservation, what percentage, and there will be no questions, and why one person they take away, and the other person is not taken away, although they are in absolutely equal conditions, and by the way, the issue is related to the same journalists, it is problematic with problematic with one down time. reasons, if you consider tv channels, for example, strategic such, well, enterprises, i, for example, believe that journalists should, in principle , fall under all this, then this should be extended to absolutely all journalists, there tv channels, leading tv channels, partially regional there tv channels and so on, that is, all of them, yes, here are all that are there, not only those that are in the marathon, but also those that could and should be there according to their ratings, including, for example, with espresso, but they are simply not there for some reason have taken, then if you already... introduce them, then please distribute them to everyone, and this would then remove certain doubts and certain dissatisfaction among ukrainians. it has not been done yet. perhaps some changes will be made there, but i am afraid

that these changes will be made solely as a result of the active activities of public activists, journalists, there, well, all those who is not indifferent to these matters, who will demand observance of elementary justice. well, about justice, when we talk about the law on mobilization about justice, we are talking about... first of all, about those people who are at the front and the order of demobilization or rotation of the military on the first line, not only on the first line, in general in the armed forces of ukraine. so, information has just appeared, ukrainian pravda, referring to its sources in the committee on national security and defense, writes that the committee excluded the provision regarding the demobilization of the rotation of military personnel from the government draft law. at the request of syrskyi, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, that these issues of demobilization and rotation will be submitted to a separate bill, and this is also,

apparently, an issue that will concern absolutely everyone, both those who are already in the armed forces of ukraine and those who will only mobilize. this whole story with this law and with failed communication, it testifies. about the fact that the result can be quite serious dissatisfaction, you are right talk about what is, there was information that the employees of the channels, which are part of the single telethon, spoke in the ministry of culture yesterday about the fact that representatives of the mobile circus were also booked there, that they would not be mobilized, that is, which what are the criteria for the fact that... employees of the circus can be booked, employees of a bandurist band, for example, cannot be booked, that is, both of them

go to the front and both of them. uh, he's into art, maybe that's a lot now, too important for ukrainian society. in your opinion, who should communicate with society at this critical moment, since we heard zelensky's statement, he says: we are convincing the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, the verkhovna rada of ukraine is zelensky's monomajority, that is , who is he convincing in this case? you see, the cabinet of ministers and the minister of defense should communicate first of all, since they are the objects of the submission of this draft law, then, to some extent , the representatives of the relevant committees considering this bill, by the way, they do it best, that is, they still give these comments from time to time and at least try to answer some questions there, but globally, of course, the main communicator in this process, with all due respect, should be the president of ukraine , the supreme commander, not the military, you understand, the military, they have already

communicated... they said that they need, and what the mechanism will be, they are not interested, by the way, this story that you mentioned about the exclusion of demobilization, that , what if it was done on the initiative of syrskyi, well , you see, syrskyi in this regard was probably more helpful than the previous commander-in-chief, who could voice his opinion, but he explained that it should not be a military decision at all, but the decision of those people , who are responsible for mobilization, i.e. the verkhovna rada and the supreme commander-in-chief, you understand, if the president had simply... addressed, appeared there before the ukrainian people and addressed the verkhovna rada and said that there is a critical situation, we the mobilization law is urgently needed, please vote for it in the version that was submitted with, well , there are some key amendments, and i will urgently sign it immediately, as for example, biden says, yes, on the budget, when they temporarily vote , as soon as you vote for it, i will immediately sign it there, just like the president would do, i think that then there would

be no special issues with the adoption of this law. the verkhovna rada would accept it and there was no need to communicate, understanding that the president is supreme the commander-in-chief takes responsibility for what will be in this law, how mobilization will take place in general, so the situation here is actually very simple, and by the way, in the current mobilization legislation it is clearly defined that the main person ultimately responsible for mobilization is precisely the head of the state, now they want to change it to some extent, but they need to communicate, they will not get anywhere, one deputy... will not take this story away, especially against the background of the trust ratings that are in the verkhovna rada, and the president, who has stock of this trust, should not be afraid to take this responsibility upon himself, really understanding the criticality of the situation and the need for this law as a whole for ukraine, that's why this week will be decisive in this regard, i also imagine what kind of wave will rise regarding the issue of demobilization , a new draft of a law, a separate draft of the law, so perhaps the president should come out, pay attention to this and say that

we will definitely... bring it to a logical conclusion and the issue of demobilization or rotation, they will be prescribed, will written in great detail, and they will contain fair criteria that will not cause special reservations on the part of our military, especially those who are on the front from the first minutes of a large-scale russian invasion. mr. igor, thank you for participating in the program. it was ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on... on our youtube and facebook platforms, during our broadcast today we are conducting a survey and asking you whether you consider the channels of the united telethon to be strategic for the economy and security of the state. 94% yes, 8%, 6% no, these are the interim results of the survey. in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have people's deputies of ukraine, solomiya bobrovska, iryna gerashchenko and mykhailo tsimbalyuk. let's talk about the mobilization law,

including, stay with espress. the us congress is back to work this week, the white house expects the issue of 60 billion aid to ukraine to be unblocked, but when will the republicans vote yes? such important help for ukraine, about it in the next 15 minutes of the bbc broadcast, in the studio of london dzaferov. what kind of help is this? this is a combined package of additional funding, which was proposed by us president joe biden last year, in the amount of 118 billion dollars to help not only ukraine, but also israel and other partners of washington, and another part of the money

will go to strengthen the southern border. of the united states. and senators no.