chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast, i congratulate you tv viewers, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's go mr. valery, let's start with today's strikes, night and morning strikes by the russian federation on energy objects of ukraine, the russians completely destroyed the trypilska tes in the kyiv region, it was before. zmiiv tes was completely destroyed and uglehir tes was occupied. it is obvious that the enemy is trying to completely de-energize ukraine and create humanitarian conditions disaster, and obviously, in this situation , ukraine needed to address the world and talk about the violation of international law and... and about the fact that russia is carrying out strikes that

threaten the civilian population, and actually on those objects that is a war crime, why do you think today there was no call from official kyiv to the security council to urgently consider this issue, and whether to other international structures, or appeals to these structures are of no importance and they do not affect... on the behavior of russia and are unable to do anything with it to do, well, in parts, if allowed, first with regard to the tactics that russia was taking, then more such terrorist attacks, really aimed at destabilizing the situation, and doing so would cause people to despair, because these are means of total war. now regarding what this is... from the point of view

of international law, it is obvious that this is a crime, this has been said many times, and on march 22, when the zmiiv station was destroyed, by the way, sumy was also attacked today, that is , there were many of these statements from the side of various factors, the un even also urged that this should not be done, she showed everyone with her finger why this is happening, because indeed this sphere and... they are regulated by international humanitarian law, and there it is forbidden to strike infrastructure objects that, in principle , are used by the population, but in fact, in this humanitarian law, which already existed, well , after the second world war, somehow additional protocols to the geneva conventions were still adopted, there is no, here carefully, listen, the difference between...

the aggressor country, which violates everything, which is possible only in in the world, first of all the statute, its basis in the first article and the country that suffers from aggression, this humanitarian law does not distinguish in any way in the part, which we are considering, the responsibility of one or another party, therefore, when ukraine is called to adhere to certain positions on infrastructure objects, i will remind you that... ukraine, when it even adhered, received gifts not just for the refinery, for example, where something is happening in russia, including fuel for tanks, for planes, which are clearly aimed at war , besides, really funding, which has also been proven, goes to specific objects of civil infrastructure, and the difference, to be honest,... whether it

will be possible to prove it only later someday in the courts. at today's stage, it would be put on one level. what to do in this situation? to get someone to say one or two or three more times that it shouldn't be done like that, it's bad, we can do it and it should be done, but it is necessary to document the evil, it is necessary to constantly take it into the file now. and not only the dossier, the lawyer, who work, and ukraine works over this, over these russian crimes, but i would also call for the dossier to be given constantly on a daily basis for the entire external environment in english, or the translation could then be of the transcript, which should be sent on a daily basis, from whom, i think, is correct was from the ministry of foreign... affairs of ukraine, i.e. at the level

of a spokesman, and it is necessary to decide on the appointment of this person, i.e., who has high-level positions. much higher, even than before, and maybe this tool would give us a kind of wider game, and there is a dossier and a permanent comment on the situation regarding the seizure of nuclear facilities, the zaporozhye station, terrorist attacks, specific crimes every day, there should be an official person who is responsible for everything, well... the service is located, which has all access, permissions, which receives information from the minister behind-the-scenes affairs, from key people, it should be constantly on the air every day, we should not hear some interpretation from a newspaper above, even respectable ones, or from mere commentators in

the country, it should be a constant position, and it should be directed outwards, and now i will say in conclusion, it is obviously correct here. the decision from my point of view to talk about protection by systems, i am not a great specialist in this matter, but the call to physically protect against such missiles that russia uses against us from strategic bombers, missiles of nuclear war, it is impossible, especially several hectares of these 'objects, even, i think, against drones is not that easy to defend, although it has been done, so we have to look at...strategically, what things we need to do, strategy, in my, this is my subjective opinion, the strategy should be such that there should be a response to such russian strikes, a powerful ukrainian and symmetrical one could be, but the way

russia is the aggressor is asymmetrical, that is, in this situation the strategy is clear, the only problem is that we do not have several hundred of those missiles , which are needed for... to implement this strategy, well, since you already mentioned air defense, today at a press conference in poland, during the summit of the three seas, three seas initiative, president zelenskyi said that patriot systems from partners are needed only temporarily, as ukraine plans to produce its own systems. let's listen to what zelensky said. we do not have air defense, such an air defense. its production as a patriot is simply not there. i want to tell you, we need time, we need partners to help us. we don't need patriot systems forever, we will definitely be able to produce our own systems.

we started working on it, i believe that we will definitely be able to do it, but at this time we don't want to lose. people's lives, and earlier , the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, said in an interview with the washington post about the fact that ukraine needs at least seven air defense systems in order to at least somehow cover the problems we have, i will quote mr. kuleb. i feel like i'm banging my head against a wall, even though i'm a diplomat, which means i have to... build a wall brick by brick, but since that diplomacy doesn't work, i feel like beating the wall, i just don't understand why not happening, mr. valery, in your opinion, and why, why is it not happening, why are there a hundred patriot systems there, of which ukraine claims at

least seven systems, or a maximum, as says mr. kuleba, but ukraine is not given them. in order for us to be able to press in this way, why did you not give us, we must clearly explain to our partners, and we should have done this before, why this affects their security, that is , not in general phrases, which unfortunately are now , do not work, but in very specific phrases in a conversation with specialists, well, it is also obvious to me, as well as to the minister of foreign affairs, that... it is much more efficient, cheaper and safer for europe to provide ukraine with these systems now, not only these, of course, i am here i would like to say one thing, if you concentrate only on defense systems, these are defense systems, you can

shoot back for a very long time and shoot something down, but in the end it will all fly straight, ukraine needs for defense, according to the un statutes, systems that... make it possible to destroy the bases, where is this from is launched, planes, where it flies from, ships, where calibers fly from, without it there will be no result, systems. air defense is not only patriot, there are european systems, we somehow now concentrated around the seven patriot systems, well, by the way, systems, i i hope that these are batteries, it is meant, because the battery has from four to eight launchers for four missiles, there is a radio station, an additional car, that is, it is a whole system, well, i think we are talking about it, but for that, in order to close the objects, other systems are needed, and the same ones, and missiles to them all the time, and the same ones,

even, which, by the way, the americans, despite what we constantly hear, the congress does not approve, congress cannot, but a few days ago they published the possibility of purchase for $138 million of additional missile parts for holk. hulk is a system, yes, it is older, before patriot, but it still works, so we need more quantity here. but you will never bring this number to the required number, and here is the answer to your question, why they don’t give, well, first of all, because, well , ask them, give us some over there, give us a space rocket, give us too, we need it too to launch one's own satellite in order to observe oneself to be able to observe space, by the way, who are we? told where the money went for our satellite, you remember, there were big fees. the satellite is popular, it’s a lot of money, but where, well, where is

it, i want it, i don’t know, honestly, i can’t understand what happened after that, although i also donated to this satellite, so you know that, yes, you have to proving why they benefit is much more difficult than proving why you need, and these are the realities, these are the realities, so i understand the frustration of the minister for... affairs, because such things are achieved by the joint actions of very many actors, starting with the president of the country , indeed, the minister of legal affairs, but also not forgetting the possibilities of diplomacy, public, parliamentary diplomacy, in the end - 16 planes, there was at least some kind of coordinated policy regarding the activity of public and public diplomacy and various departments, here i... well, understanding that there is a need, specifically about the seven systems, i only heard this publicly at some foreign

site, why exactly the seven, i think these questions are asked, well, here the military and those who are specialists, they will immediately draw conclusions about what the seven systems are, and that they will close i'm guessing too, but i know for sure, here's my position, if we don't convince our partners that we need this year as much as possible in large volume and concentrated well... let's say in sufficient volume to stop russia and begin to liberate the territories, which will give a very serious signal both to putin and to the kremlin, without these weapons even these systems will not help us by themselves, but the fact that they are needed right now, and not sometime in the future, well, it is absolutely obvious . and today the european parliament refused to adopt decisions on financing the council of the european union, while the country the members will not be able to find seven, exactly seven, although you are right, mr. valery, because these

numbers are somewhat different, zelenskyi says 25, kuleba says seven, well, that means there should also be some kind of one number or an explanation about these systems, so in the european parliament refused to make a decision on the financing of the council of the european union until the member states can find seven patriot systems for ukraine, accordingly the proposal was made by the mep, the former. she was met with thunderous applause and supported by 515 votes, 62 meps spoke against. let's listen to what the former prime minister of belgium said. for the past 20 days, the russians have been shelling ukrainian cities: hospitals, power plants, residential buildings. and i consider it a scandal that europe, as it opens the door for ukraine and the european council, is not able to make

a decision about sending a certain number of anti-missile systems to ukraine in such a situation. there are 100 patriot complexes in europe, mr borel said. ukrainians ask for only seven, and we, europeans, invite them to the european union and of the european council, but we cannot do it. so i propose not to consider the 55 questions of the budget until we give ukraine these seven systems. these are very good declarations that were made in the european parliament, but the reality is that the russians destroy every night. energy facilities of ukraine, and obviously, if a decision is made to transfer seven systems or seven patriot batteries there, it will not happen so quickly, as i understand it, correct, mr. valery, mr. valery, you are in touch, we lost contact with valery chaly, well, friends, actually

about which we have already started to talk about extremely. and ambassador plenipotentiary of ukraine valery chaly about the decision of the european parliament to refuse to make a decision on the financing of the council of the european union until ukraine receives seven patriot systems, so far there is such a declaration, to what extent this declaration can be implemented in general, and in what perspective valery chaly again on connection mr. ambassador, once again good evening, here we are. i didn't hear everything about the problems with communication, but i heard that the declaration about the patriot, as far as it will be implemented, look now, the first position that is needed is that we need to decide with our partners the strategy, or actions, tactics for this year, that is, so that there are no such different statements about which objects in ukraine can be hit there, which ones

cannot be hit , that is, if we have systems that allow us to carry out, for example, attacks on televangelist positions, on different, well , formations and others, then this issue is not so acute, but the fact that now prime minister verkhovstat, the former prime minister of belgium said and it was supported in the european parliament, that is of the patriot system, this is a response to our ukrainian request, that is, which sounded from diplomatic platforms, and the president spoke zelensky, you quoted minister koleba, that is, to... this is a reaction, but the problem here is that, unfortunately, the european parliament does not determine precisely these decisions, because it is determined precisely by, well, the executive structures, and it is especially important that the european union itself does not have patriot systems, they are in a specific country, that is, it is a kind of lever of influence, but when it will work, one more moment, i will be frank with

you, i remember cases when this the funding of the solution stopped and... previous years, and it was not connected there by petrio systems, yes, i looked at the documents, i did not find documents that connect the funding with the provision of the petriod system, these are the statements of only a few of our, well, good friends , famous politicians of the european parliament, so i would like it to work, and by the way, the same situation is now in the united states, very similar to all this, so we can hear a lot of words, appeals, but ... we need actions and decision now, now it's still yesterday, because such a pause for putin was put on pause for six months to attack ukraine, that is, it may come, it may come , it is not known when, but we need to find a solution that is now strengthening ukraine, ukraine is now being strengthened first of all, except for air defense systems, these are shells, these are missiles for those systems that are already

in ukraine, and we cannot use them, because there are not so many of them, we have to choose targets. regardless of the experience of our military, we need to repair equipment now, we need people from nato countries on our territory who would work to support ukraine, not on the front line, and where weapons are produced, where there is cyber security, where there is the use of their weapons, including the patriot systems, we need to advance these political decisions very quickly with our partners, and if necessary, do it more openly with the public. as russia is doing by attacking us, perhaps it is time to appeal very strongly to the peoples of these countries and in the public space, that is, it might have worked worse before, it seems to me that now all these methods, well, they should be parallel, but mainly concentrate efforts on this and one more moment, let's think about

how much the process is, where most of the resources go, signing there... security agreements constantly with every country, what intentions there are many years ahead of recovery, how much they now help us survive and endure and win, i i think we need to review the strategy in this regard and look for many priority things now in the coming months of the year, this is a critical time, somewhere until the spring of next year, and we need to concentrate all efforts here, not restore it somewhere later. recovery money, even me i will say a controversial thing, even the blocks of nuclear stations that we need to build, but this money should go right now, well, i will continue. we understand, russia will attack the distribution systems, we need, well, to make generation more and less vulnerable to attacks, that is , there is where to spend money, we need

to concentrate not so large resources on these issues as much as possible now, then our partners will understand that we are thinking in the same direction , and then they will immediately understand that now is the time to stand up and help ukraine, and not sometime later, but what about intentions and whether we are in the same direction... we look and think alike with our western partners, a few days ago the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, publicly warned kyiv against strikes on the oil refining sector in russia, on oil refineries, and said that ukraine should focus on attacks on military targets, he said at a meeting of the united states senate committee on armed forces, let's listen to a little synchronicity. of course, these attacks could have consequences for the global energy situation. i think ukraine is better

focus on striking tactical and operational targets that can directly affect ongoing combat operations. mr. valery, this is what this statement of luyd austin means, that these are the conversations that took place in the kulars and the sources are not named. to which bloomberg and other western publications have always referred, that in fact the united states of america had not previously publicly called on kyiv not to strike at oil refineries, and if kyiv does not destroy oil refineries and fuel continues to flow, fuel will flow to airplanes, to tanks, this means that the window of opportunity for putin will be much ... larger, and we will not reduce it, it turns out that the united states of america is urging us not to do this, and why are they urging us to do so? first of all, what

is given in ukrainian zmi is pieces. in this case, it is an answer to the question of the minister of defense, or the head of the pentagon, to a specific question of senators, tough questions are asked there, and it is not only for us, first of all, it is an answer to... senators of ukraine, there were other issues, very difficult ones, that is, including regarding giving crimea, for example, questions to the minister of defense, they are talking about different options, and crimea can, can you compromise to give, did ukraine give crimea? he says, well, the official position answers that we, well, avoids, shall we say, such a sharp answer, and then the senator hesitates, says, well... crimea, it can be said whether it is ukrainian forever, and mr. osten said, ukrainian. therefore, it is not necessary to immediately tear it all out of a big two-hour conversation

many questions. tselestva wolander also spoke about these things, about what would not be desirable in oil refining, well, as i told you, in humanitarian law, this is generally considered a very, very delicate, delicate issue. and so really, to prove that this is a dual-purpose goal, you need to have a lot of arguments for it, but where is russia and where is humanitarian law, so i think i took it as a message, well, the conclusion is this: first, they have conversations with the russians , and it is difficult to reject, by the way, the senator who asked whose crimea, and mr. austin said ukrainian, that's all the answers, so, but regarding what they say, it's best not to beat them, that's how they say it. in israel they say the same thing that it is desirable to carry out, and russia wants to hear it from them, because they have conversations between themselves there, there is a second track or any track, you have no

doubt that all these conversations continue, so here we go to do its own thing, ukraine has to do its own thing, that is, and from the united states we will wait for the decision now, which is promised by the united states, that's all, everything here is very simple, as long as you don't have... there are no missiles like in russia, if we had the atakams missile, or the new american one or the german taurus missile, which would be at a sufficient distance, we would use drones somewhere 1,200 km away, of course, this is our good guys, who are already showing that we can and yes, let's return it to the framework within which it is necessary, and not not to do this, but to spray it all over russia. these are our efforts, and we have objects on the territory of ukraine, only we have occupied ones, just give us these missiles so that high-precision sniper missile weapons hit these tanks,

well... a drone will not fly to 10 tanks that are standing together, for example, such an object, well, we understand, even civilians, that it will fly there, well, that it will damage one or two cars there, well , we see planes successfully there, they can hit planes, also on airfields, but it's still not a missile that can hit, despite the protection, despite the large overlap, that is, without killing people, damaging the equipment, then give us raki. .. and then we, i understand, then we will have more goals that will be just like that to be impressed, so i think that the partner should always be heard, but understand that he is heard by different consumers of information, and the main thing in our relations with the united states is our partnership now, we have communication channels, there is a constant dialogue at the highest, on at a high level, and there these issues are actually resolved, i did not hear

the position. of official ukraine that we fold our hands and simply look at the terrorist attacks of russia against our population. on the contrary, i heard the statement of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, that we will be adequate respond to these threats. well, the fact that there is no official reaction from kyiv is a very good thing. well, that is, it turns out that ukraine does its thing, and the united states of america does its thing, that is, they speak as they speak, and do as they do. they do, well no, we should have, obviously, we should have a daily response to any russian crimes, i mean to ours maybe, it's terrible, we don't have the dynamics now that we had in 22 year, that's why i say, here the authorities need to make certain adjustments, because i see how in russia these adjustments have been made and they have a very active

offensive work going on right now. informational, diplomatic work, which involves a lot of broad resources, it’s simple, well, in normal life, you can stretch there, you know, man-hours, at this moment it is necessary to concentrate the maximum forces, the maximum number of people who can do it , and with an emphasis on the external audience, not only to those western countries or nato, eu countries, but all countries of the world. because they still take information from these sources, that's all exactly, and this is in english, sorry, not a cooking show for the money of a single marathon, but specifically for such purposes of foreign language, or at least to use the state mechanisms that exist today, i can say that mr. padalyak is there, yes, who comments , well, constantly as a speaker, but this is not enough, this is definitely not enough, especially in the spheres of international

cooperation, absolutely, well, there is a lot. things where we are slacking, the same is the case now with the governing council of the magathe, where russia has now initiated, i see a little slacking here, because it has not yet entered to the position of the ministry of emergency situations japar, as i understand it, has not yet joined this work in vienna, under international organizations, and the ministry of energy, in my opinion, and the head of the delegation , mr. holoshchenko, well, diplomats there work for each of these systems, each country, we are in the council managers, so there should be daily activities. how can the minister of energy work every day while sitting in kyiv, i don't understand this, well, who will explain it to me, who can decide it, well, they decided it, the delegation signed the decree, that is, these are not obvious things, well, it means yes, they believe that yes, i cannot do anything here, if it is considered that it is correct, well, if it is correct, then there must be a result, therefore there must be diplomatic activity, the russians send notes daily, statements are made

daily, and we have them in 3 days. a statement by the magathe on the board of directors on the attacks of those who were at the zaporozhye station, what they are provoking and doing, well, that is, simply to strengthen the dynamics, strengthen the dynamics, strengthen, well, do what we did more actively in the 22nd year, and which gave results. another event to look forward to the world and first of all ukraine, this is the global peace summit, which is to be held in switzerland on the 15th. already confirmed by the swiss department of foreign affairs in june, it is expected that representatives of 80 to 100 countries of the world will come to this summit, but it is not yet known which countries will take part in this summit, and the swiss say that this event is aimed at to create frameworks that will be favorable for long-term.