on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on social networks and on the youtube platform. please take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: would you entrust the power of the military to the political forces after the war? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube. if you have a special opinion, please write in the comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. if you would entrust the political power to the military after. war 0800 211 381 no 0800-211-382 all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest, volodymyr tsibulko, political analyst, writer, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation with the law. on mobilization, since on april 11

the verkhovna rada of ukraine approved the bill on mobilization as a whole, however parliamentarians removed from the document the norm that would have provided for the demobilization of military personnel after 36 months of service. briefly, now we will remind our tv viewers, actually, that there is a draft law in this. basic provisions: limited, eligible, and those who received the second and third groups of disabilities after february 24, 22, except for the military. employees must re-pass the vlk. all conscripts have 60 days to clarify their data in the tcc, tsnap or electronic cabinet. all men must have a military registration card with them document and show it at the request of authorized law enforcement officers. men who do not update their data or evade mobilization may have their driving privileges restricted. consular services will be limited to conscripts abroad until they update their data. the provisions

on rotation and demobilization, as i said, after 36 months, will be spelled out in a separate law that will be passed later. mr. volodymyr, what will be the consequences of these changes to the mobilization legislation and the mobilization procedure, well, first of all for society, and the second for war. well, first of all, for war, for war, constant, uninterrupted preparation is necessary. specialists, all the more so since the war is moving into a more high-tech phase, the training of such specialists will have to be conducted much longer, secondly, many brigades now have about 40% of combat-ready personnel, which means that they need to be replenished as quickly as possible, it is desirable to preserve the professional backbone of the brigades, this is very important. difficult, because most

class specialists sit continuously at the front for two years, and if they do not come up with at least some rational rotation, here we recall the 17th-18th year, there for six months on the line of hostilities, and then the brigade was taken to rest. now, of course, the intensity of the war is much higher, so it is necessary to find some forms. or financial stimulation, or, accordingly, more frequent rotations, because, firstly, it is felt that the troops lack high-class specialists in all electronic warfare, then, well, the introduction of aviation is expected. in a few months, in two,

probably, aviation will start working, under aviation needs a huge infrastructure and engineering personnel, especially in the area of ​​aviation weapons, so there are a lot of challenges here, but at the same time, the assault brigades, they are simply exhausted and you need to somehow understand, give them a rest, otherwise they are just people at the limit of their capabilities, that's it. .. just burning out, so to speak, the most valuable personnel, the most experienced, and it will be expensive for the armed forces. mr. volodymyr, i wanted to ask your attitude to the fact that, in principle, all the amendments that were also proposed by the people's deputies during the last two months, they have been virtually ignored, except in committee, and it appears that the bill that the government has submitted. december 26, 2023 could

have been fully voted on in january, for example, or february, and it would have simply been a waste of time. for the development of these and for the preparation of these amendments, and they, they, well, they simply did not enter this law for one simple, banal reason, because the deputies from the servant of the people were not in the session hall on april 10, they did not vote for these amendments, and these amendments were simply all repealed as such, that they did not get the appropriate number of votes, why it was so necessary to follow all these procedures, why all this had to be arranged. to show that the parliament decides something, when in the end everything was actually decided outside the parliament. well, here is a very important political moment. the fact is that such laws as the law on mobilization should be a law on justice and a law on national unity in the face of

an external threat. in fact, the quality of the discussion of this law and the votes cast in favor this law, they... are very unconvincing, 227 votes is, in essence, such a psychological experiment, even the position of zelensky himself is important here, because one of the first comments that appeared after the adoption of this law, zelensky himself says that the current legislation suddenly appears to be enough to recognize the petitioners as petitioners, but has this voted law brought more justice ... in relation to the people in the troops, the current people in the troops, it was in the troops that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain, well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has stayed in total, well, with coefficients, accumulates 36 months of being

in combat operations and at the front, he must, well , at least a year rest, otherwise he will simply and professionally slouch, and... he gets tired as much , that human psychology cannot withstand all this, but the fact that this norm on demobilization was not included in this law is also, in principle, the absence of this, well, conditional gingerbread, that is, for those who have already been mobilized and for those who are going to mobilize because it is unclear, mobilization continues, but no one... sets these terms, those who are already at the front do not understand when their service will end, when they will be able to demobilize, and those whom they are trying to mobilize also do not understand how they go either for life, or to some injury or some status, mr.

serhiu, the most embarrassing thing in this whole story is that the legislator refused to make a mandatory surcharge for being on the front line, well, the amount was fixed there... and in my opinion, 70 thousand hryvnias, and a legislator refused to introduce it, and the cabinet introduced it, well , formed it in the form of a resolution, a resolution is not a law, that is, considering how non-binding the ukrainian cabinet is in relation to the military, its refusal to include a financial incentive in the law looks also as a mockery of common sense, in general. it would be necessary to introduce a progressive scale of additional payments, for example, after 12 months , additional payments to the military would have to be increased by 50%, after 24 by another 50%, plus

everyone there remembers in the 17-18th year for the destruction of enemy equipment they were good premium, where are these now? i believe that they should be introduced. well, we do not have the answers to these questions, but we see that despite all the complexity of this law, it has been passed, and obviously the president will sign it, or if he does not sign it, then he must return it with a veto with his, well, use the veto and return with with their amendments. in this process, which took place during the last few days, we still... did not see these leadership positions of the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, after all, he was not the one who convinced the people deputies of ukraine to vote, before that he recorded a video and said: "well, now we are having conversations with the parliament so that they, so that

they there will be rules for all conscripts. for those with limited suitability, they have already been canceled, now either suitable or unsuitable, that is, a lot of questions will arise, but well, it is not clear on whose side these questions should be put on the side of the leadership of the armed forces, they they say we are the only ones the customers of the mobilized, the verkhovna rada passed this law, the supreme commander-in-chief says, we, we convinced the verkhovna rada of ukraine, that is, why do you think there was no political leadership in this process, although the process of mobilization is a matter of life and death for ukrainians, the question of the future of ukraine, the present and the future as well. well, first of all, the mobilization is taking place according to the political decision of the political leadership,

not the decision of the military, and secondly, zelensky’s behavior is absolutely comical, as if he no, by introducing this bill, he will not sign it in the future, because he will sign this bill or not, so the question is also an intrigue, if he signs this bill, then he is a co-author of it. of the bill, if they want to shift responsibility to the military, that the military ordered such a law, it is not true, the political primacy of politics is always in the management of the military, it is always preserved, the military are only executors of political decisions, as zelensky would say i didn't screw it up, but let's remember. a completely paradoxical story with the lowering with the law on lowering the bar of mobilized people

from 27 to 25 years, the law was not signed by zelensky for more than a year, for more than a year, well , as far as i remember, the norms for signing the law are a month, that is, two weeks, a month, a month, in fact a year the law was not signed, and in the end zelenskyi signed it, even this... law is not corrupt, it really divides society into those, well, serfs and non-serfs, in fact, because it is very, very inconsistent and uh, i would say anti-constitutional in its spirit, that is , perhaps there is no letter of anti-constitutionality, but the spirit of anti-constitutionality is that a part of society is placed in absolute. well, inequality, an unequal position with the other part, that's what zelensky,

no matter how he wriggles out of it, will have to side with the military and be a co-author and bear full responsibility for this, well, i would say not very popular law. well, while the people are discussing a new law on mobilization, switzerland is preparing a global one the peace summit, and putin and lukashenko, who met yesterday in moscow, complain about the world community. say that without russia, the issue of the future of ukraine cannot be resolved, and putin insists on returning to the project of the so -called istanbul treaty, which was justified by the negotiating teams of ukraine and russia at the beginning of the large-scale invasion, let's hear what putin says about the upcoming peace summit in switzerland. the idea of ​​holding a conference in switzerland is being promoted. they don't invite us there, moreover , they think we have nothing to do there,

at the same time, they say that it is impossible to solve anything without us, and since we are not going there, it is already a kind of panopticon, they say that we refuse to negotiate, we are not invited, but they say that we refuse, it would not be as funny as sad, once again i want to emphasize that we are in favor, but not in the format of imposing some schemes. which have nothing to do with reality. you know, i looked at this picture again and realized that mr. optikom is right there, what happened in the kremlin, you saw at what distance the journalists filmed them, that is, in general it is not clear who is sitting there, or it is just a sound track, some pranksters make this sound track, and the impression is that putin was not really there, sergei, the comedy is that two war criminals, usurpers of power teach. this is, well, this is the pinnacle of such, i would say bullshit, the fact

is that after such applications, the international criminal court finally has to decide not only with putin, but also with lukashenko, by the way, lukashenko should have received the same a long time ago a warrant from the international criminal court, well, something, somewhere drags on obviously. what is needed, our legal allies should try to insist that the criminal, international criminal... court has already expanded the number of wanted persons from two to four, well, lukashenko himself could, so to speak, appear in the gag, well, something stops him from this noble gesture, the very end, very briefly, what do you think the solutions can be at the global peace summit and how far this peace

will be already in some perspective we will be able to see this peace? well, it seems to me that this global peace summit, he, he is a development, i remember two or three years ago, and then two years ago, on the initiative of joseph biden , a global democracy forum was held, and it seems to me that this swiss summit can outline the construction of security policy for the future, for the future of 100 years. thank you, it was volodymyr tsybulko, mr. volodymyr, thank you for conversation and we continue our program, we are live on the channel and also on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please take part in our survey, today we ask you this, would you entrust the power to the political power of the military after the war, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, write, feel free to

comment, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if... trusted the political power of the military after the war and entrusted them with power (0800-211-381) no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote . next, we have communications oleksandr kraev, expert of the ukrainian prism foreign policy council, americanist, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. yes, congratulations, good evening to you. this, this week, mr. oleksandr, david cameron flew to washington from great britain and met with antony blinken and donald trump, and the main topic of conversation, of course, was support for ukraine in this difficult situation that is developing in our country . just

yesterday, the prime minister of japan , fumio kishida, was there, and he called on the united states. america to support ukraine and allocate the necessary assistance. the question is quite simple: to what extent, in your opinion, is the congress of the united states of america ready to make a decision on allocating aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars. if we are talking specifically about the house of representatives, because in fact the senate has already shown its willingness to remove this assistance. the house is ready as far as speaker johnson is ready, speaker johnson is ready to do it in the next week and a half, two weeks, because against him a vote of no confidence is being prepared, a vote of no confidence on the part of his fellow party members on the margerine side, and therefore in order to call for a certain set of votes, in order to save

him from this, he needs a vote of no confidence in one form or another, either from the republican side or ... seeded democrats to present a certain aid package for ukraine, so in the next one and a half to two weeks we can expect an aid package for ukraine, in what specific form it will be, it will be a land list, or it will be a loan, or it will be any other form help, we can't say yet, because speaker johnson just didn't give us the opportunity to talk about it, because he didn't present the specific text of the bill, but in the near future we will see... the specific work of the speaker, we will see the specific decisions that can be put to a vote, and we will really be able to assess johnson's chances of political survival within the framework of american politics and, accordingly, the chances of passing a pro-ukrainian aid package for ukraine. minister of foreign affairs of poland in an interview with cnn, radoslav sikorsky scolded

the congress of the united states of america for the long delay in deciding to help ukraine. leading to the destruction, he said, of the energy infrastructure and threatening new waves of refugees. let's hear what radislav sikorsky said. i again call on speaker johnson, let democracy decide. the issue needs to be put to a vote so that funds and the necessary weapons can be supplied to ukraine. if this does not happen, russia will cause new destruction. and trust in the us will be questioned. mr. alexander, when isikorsky and other world leaders call on johnson. to make the decision of the house of representatives, does that mean that this decision depends not only on johnson, but on

the potential candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, donald trump, and it is through the prism of this, exclusively through the prism of this that we must look at this situation. here we must be frank that johnson is not an absolutely one hundred percent independent politician. in principle, to the beginning. march of this year, johnson was really just trump's spokesman, and it was also recognized by american political scientists, it was recognized by independent political scientists, that indeed johnson was only broadcasting trump's policy in relation to the house of representatives, in relation to congress as such. at this stage, johnson is trying to play a certain individual role, he is trying to find new allies, but in principle he continues to play within the boundaries of the trump fold. and within the limits of this logic is really what is done abroad. leaders, what cameron is doing, what sikorsky is doing, what macron is doing personally, all this influence they have on the united states

america, it shows that the potential future leader of the united states of america needs to pay attention to the issue of ukraine, it is necessary to pay attention to the issue of aid, so if trump really wants to be a global leader, if he wants to have a really potential impact on the international community, on his european union. within nato, he needs to be more pro-european, he needs to be more conscious about the problems of ukraine, so what sikorsky is saying now, what cameron did, although officially this visit was not successful as everyone hoped, but it's all directed not so much at trump as at johnson, it's directed at him understanding his potentials in terms of policy, he needs to understand his potentials in terms of the plan. use as the speaker of the united states house of representatives, he should still put the ukrainian project, the ukrainian budget project to a vote, because this is

his only chance to negotiate with the union to keep him in the position of speaker with conservative republicans with potentially democrats, depending on the text himself bill, so one way or another, but both sikorsky's statement and cameron's negotiations, which he conducted, it's all... directed at johnson, it's all directed at trump and that aid for ukraine, this is not exclusively a matter of foreign policy , it is a matter of domestic politics, and it is a matter of american elections. well, what is the interest, can you explain what is the interest of trump not to provide money to ukraine? his only interest is to sink biden's ratings, because biden has been saying for the last two and a half years that ukraine is exclusively a matter of his administration. it is solely a matter of how active a foreign policy president he is, how transatlanticist he is, and now biden, or rather

trump, now trump, who before that, well back in july 23, said that ukraine is a corrupt hole into which no worth investing in, which is even worse than afghanistan, now trump is saying that he would be much stronger than biden, he would be much more effective and he could save. that is, in this case, ukraine is simply a tool, a tool of the internal political struggle between biden and trump, and ukraine is the issue on which trump all this time, in all these 2.5 years, simply dulled biden's rating, and now he sees that at this moment biden is unable to do anything with the congress, and he himself wants to play a proactive role in helping ukraine, that is, ukraine is not really an individual. a topic of conversation within the pre-election debates of the united states, ukraine is a tool. ukraine is a tool for trump to drown

biden's rating and in order to show that he is an active president in terms of foreign policy. well, while the united states of america is solving the ukrainian, the so-called ukrainian financing issue, regarding the opening of this large tranche of 61 billion dollars in eurosoy. they are talking about the need to expand and speed up military aid to ukraine, in particular to provide an additional air defense system, the head of eurodiplomacy josep borel wrote about this on the x social network, he said that there will be a meeting of the eu council of ministers in april, and what borel wrote, i expect bold decisions at the joint meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs and defense of the european union on april 22 with dmytro kuleba and rustem... the european union supports ukraine with all its forces, but when they talk about the fact that the european union supports ukraine with all its forces

, it is perceived a little bit. to another, because if borel is thinking only about air defense systems, then obviously ukraine is even thinking about the fact that whether foreign legions, including the french, come here, the situation is not easy in ukraine, the russians are trying to advance, the russians are destroying the energy infrastructure in in ukraine, that is, the situation is quite tense, what do you think barel means when he says that the european union will support ukraine with all its might. at this stage, borel is talking specifically about air defense systems, that is , he should be given credit here, that the blocking of the budget of the european council against the background of the inability of european countries to provide additional patriot systems for ukraine is really a very powerful step, which within the european council, within the european community in general, no one did not expect, but in fact it is very correct, very sharp, me i would say, even in a certain way it is a stepping stone

for the european...ukraines to be ready to provide more air defense systems, more anti-missile defense systems for our security, so we have to give credit to josep barel. if we talk about the support of european countries in general, then we need to very clearly divide support at the individual level, at the bilateral level of relations, and support at the level of the european union, because at the level of the european union, we see that this support is beginning to weaken. we have certain problems with communication with oleksandr kraev, now i hope we will restore contact and talk with him about how the european union actually tries and promises to help ukraine with all its might, well, at least that is what josep borel, the head of european diplomacy, said wrote on the x social network that there will be bold decisions

regarding support. ukraine will host a ministerial meeting of representatives of the european union on april 22, including dmytro kuleba and rustem umerov. and one more question, which will be relevant enough already over the past few days, on april 17 in washington, the finance ministers of the big seven at the spring meeting of the international monetary fund and the world bank group will consider a new approach to... the use of frozen russian assets, that is, those assets that are located abroad that ukraine may use, rather, the world will be used to help ukraine, writes the financial times. this would be a compromise offer from the united states of america, not as radical as confiscation, but more aggressive than the current plan of the european union with allocation of profits from assets to ukraine. we are at a point where we have to explore every possible way to maximize. the value

of the frozen reserves in the interests of ukraine cannot be waited forever, we understand that, dalip singh, the deputy national security advisor to the president of the united states of america, told the newspaper. this issue is quite important for ukraine, i mean the use of frozen russian assets, because experts talk about different amounts that can be frozen around the world up to 300 billion dollars, so... in principle, the question is whether the world community will dare to allow the united states of america, great britain, germany, which help ukraine a lot, to use these frozen russian assets in order to to pay for the weapons that go to ukraine, equipment for ukrainian soldiers, to support the energy infrastructure that is now being actively destroyed by the russian occupiers, in short

, questions to... a lot, we hope that on april 17, where these big gatherings will be held in in washington, the finance ministers of the big seven and the international monetary fund and the world bank group, we will hear specific proposals, because the world is tired of russia, the world is tired of putin, the world is tired of the aggressive policy of the russian federation towards ukraine, to this terrorist activity. in the world are wary, and they understand what is happening in ukraine, and especially in the last few weeks, when the russian occupiers are attacking the energy infrastructure of ukraine, destroying tes and tets, trying to deprive ukrainians warmth, light, and actually everything that the civilized world is used to.