but the russian federation will never in its life agree to their mediation, so we are looking for someone for ourselves to whom the russian federation will agree. now it is qatar, there are still occasional rumors about the involvement of the vatican, but again, the ukrainian side does not confirm this, although the russian side there issued a whole report on the role of the vatican. there are also certain initiatives from the global rooster, in particular the republic of south africa, which i am also interested in... and this was announced by the president, to join the process, effectively to join the process of returning ukrainian children, and here we must understand that this has ceased to be exclusively ukraine's pain, exclusively ukraine's problem, and must probably be solved, not entirely only for ukraine. now we have to take a leading role and develop a return mechanism, exactly the one that is contained in our concept, whether it is possible to be improved somewhere, more, i don't know,

so refined, you know, but so that this mechanism also works for other children who are now suffer in armed conflicts, then the probability of returning ukrainian children also increases, the probability of supporting such a mechanism also increases, and such a weighty thing, which i want to emphasize, is that it is impossible to combine both the return and the prosecution of the guilty in one mechanism. to responsibility, this does not mean that we have to forgive putin and lviv bilov for the deportations and say that we did not see, it is very good that the children were returned, but it means that in the matter of return , the priority is return, and that in the potential written agreement about the return mechanism, there may not be a provision on the responsibility of the russian federation, but this, again , does not exclude such responsibility and arrest warrants, the international criminal court, after the return of the ukrainians... it

will definitely not cancel, in fact, with regard to this warrant, it has been almost a year has passed since it was issued, and what has changed in this case in this year, and has the list of suspects been added, unfortunately, in this case, in this episode, the deportation and forced transfer of ukrainian children in our country has not changed since 17 march 2023, when warrants were issued for arrest, i.e. there are no new suspects, just as on... has any additional qualifications, additions to the current arrest warrants, but their existence is still an unprecedented, mega-symbolic event, for the first time in the history of the existence of international criminal law as such, even not only the international criminal court, an arrest warrant is obtained by the current head of a nuclear state in the course of an active, rather heated armed conflict, that is, it was a great victory and could not but have an impact. opinions were divided in that h... and in

the ukrainian expert community, and the russian federation obviously insists that the issuance of arrest warrants only made the return process more difficult, but in order to be as objective as possible, i would rely on statistics: before the issuance of arrest warrants for lviv-bilov, i published and we will operate with their data, because they are the same, i will explain what these data are, but let's start with them. so, regarding the issuance of arrest warrants, she contributed to the return of five ukrainians. children, after the issuance of arrest warrants, the number of such children, in her opinion, where she is contributed to the return, she and moskalkova are 94, it is noticeable, so until march 17, 2023 , a year also passed, and in this year only five children, where they helped there, here came a year and it is already 94, that is, the numbers are different, but we are in to the regional human rights center together with our partners seikrein of the zlenkiv institute for the prevention of the crime of genocide.

came to the conclusion that even in those cases where they speak, we facilitated, we facilitated something there, we have witnesses, that is , victims of the abuses of the russian federation, who say, no, it is only us interfered, that is, the russians put forward new and new conditions, the demand to pass dna tests, the demand to pass a polygraph test, numerous long-term interrogations with the federal security service with other russian security forces, some kind of compulsion to undress and then... they could tell them how they do it the russian federation exclusively for the sole purpose of later using this recording against these people and manipulating them, that is, even in these cases the russian federation did not contribute, but the return process has intensified and we see a change in the narrative during 2022 maria lvova aloova told everywhere that president putin said to eliminate legal loopholes in the legislation, to grant russian citizenship to everyone, to transfer ukrainian children even with ukrainian citizenship to russian families, well, that was it.

you can't throw such words out of a song, this is their conversation on march 9, 2022. already in the conversation on february 16, it was on the day before the issuance of arrest warrants, she told a little something about the day before. a dacha in the family of ukrainian children, that she took the child herself, but that was already the case it is clear that they suspect something, because the international community has already started to prepare, they knew that we were gathering evidence, the first children were returning on their own, and already on march 17 there was a great calm, they were there preparing what they would comment on, march 17, 17 march 23 , the moment the arrest warrant was issued, they lingered there, lingered, and then began to come out with the statement of mariy lviv bilova. her words that president putin gave an order to facilitate the reunification of families, they do not say anywhere, do not use the word return, because if they say return, then it turns out that they were moved, it turns out that they were kidnapped, it turns out that they were deported, they say reunification, as if neutralizing it,

they chose one of the words, and in fact they somewhat manipulate this word reunification, so that biological families can be reunited, but what about children. orphans, especially if they have lost a legal guardian, it will be much more difficult here, and they understand it and do not want to return such children, but less so, if i sum up this whole long excursion, i will not abuse, then the situation has moved from a standstill, and now we are already talking about some international initiatives, we are accumulating the support of the international community and we are planning, not just dreaming, we are planning to return thousands of ukrainian children in 2024. and i think that's a great merit of arrest warrants. panikaterina, on march 13 this year, the european parliament held a debate on the creation of a legal mechanism for the return of young ukrainians to their homeland. how can the european parliament

influence this at all? i would say that this is a logical process of continuation, or even addition what is happening at the level of the council of europe. on january 25 of this year, a resolution was adopted, which also emphasized the need to create a single, transparent, understandable, legal mechanism for the identification and return of ukrainian children. yes, indeed, the european union cannot be that third party, because the russian federation will not agree to it and somehow they cannot physically go there to return the children. but this is only one aspect of the great mechanism, the others are the identification of children, and here... union with its powers, in that including software, intelligence, they can help us. next is the question of rehabilitation and reintegration, here they can help both with expertise and financially, and with the organization of certain processes for ukrainian

children. i would like to emphasize that a significant prerequisite for the return of deported ukrainian children is simply a must have, without it it will not happen, it is the reform of deinstitutionalization, i.e. until we have a register of adoptive parents, until we have a queue, and it is already forming, because here you know that then there was no cut, the queue of adoptive parents is already forming, and there are those people who are ready to take in deported ukrainian orphans and children deprived of parental care, and it will happen, but we need a big, significant reform so that no child i was in these soviet-type barracks, i won’t even call it an orphanage... because 200-400 people in one territory is more like a colony of strict regime, and not a children’s institution, we have to get rid of this, and it supported by the leadership of our state, and this is a necessary condition, by the way, for our european integration, so all these processes

take place in parallel, in some of them the european union can definitely help, in others it can support ukraine, and after all, the european union has a huge system of treaties with states of the global. south, they quite successfully used this system of treaties, foreign trade agreements, preferential agreements, in order to avoid unrest within the states of the global south. now they can try to use it somehow trade and economic mechanisms in order for these states to at least join the coalition for the return of ukrainian children, and it would be desirable for one of them, either collectively or individually, to act as a mediator for this side in relations with the russian federation. by the way, with regard to intermediaries, speaking of countries that can be guarantors, perhaps it is worth considering countries that can have some influence on russia, in particular, for example, china, was the question of including this

country not discussed? that's a very good question, and me i'm sure it's been discussed, although i don't have that information, because it makes the most sense. that is, i think that our state started with two candidates, namely turkey, which was already a third party, quite successful, which now promotes the return of ukrainian prisoners of war, and probably china. i... will not comment on the political diplomatic position of china, because i think that my opinion is not mainstream, you know, i do not want to expose myself to criticism here too many times, but i am sure that china will not be a third party, and therefore we need to look for someone else, but you are absolutely right, it should be a state that is in a certain relationship with the russian federation, well, not that it is on an equal footing and not that it is already on top, because china refused, but at least have be able to somehow... influence the russian federation and the return of a significant number of children, because you know, when

they tell me, the return of 11 children is the largest group, this is a great victory, i am happy, because every child is important who crosses the ukrainian border in the direction of ukraine , but 11 children are very little, at this rate we have no chance of getting everyone back in even one decade, so we need countries that can potentially be further considered and what is being worked on, for example, saudi arabia, a pretty good candidate, russia has some interests in to this state and in cooperation with this state, it could be brazil, and by the way, brazil also has such a rather ambiguous position towards the russian full-scale invasion, therefore, in principle, it can be such a candidate for negotiations for the russian federation, and at the same time, we we mention brics, at the same time we remember that brazil is a large catholic power, and we heard about the role of the vatican in the return of civilians . that is, yes, as if the stars are aligning, it could be kazakhstan, because now this is not

a well-known thing, but kazakhstan is a recognized state, at least by the un, by unicef, which has excellent practices for identifying abducted children in the context of idols, in the context of abduction children who were in various camps, that kazakhstan then repatriated them from syria and iraq, this is cool state regarding the rehabilitation of such children. reintegration and kazakhstan also has certain relations with the russian federation, and actually i already mentioned the republic of south africa, which is also a member of brics, although we remember that putin did not go to the summit in this country due to an arrest warrant, did not take the risk, although you know, this does not mean that he did not go anywhere and during the 23rd year after the issuance of arrest warrants, he still traveled and traveled to that state, by the way, which he and i remember today. as possible mediators, that is, here there is a certain one the potential of the states that i have named, to dream

that it will be one of our satellite states, our partners, or from states with a recognized reputation in the field of protecting children's rights, such as, for example, canada is such a state, unfortunately, it is not possible, because the russian federation will simply take a stand. ms. kateryna, in the end, i would like to ask you about the number of children who were successfully... returned, and do you know if there are any plans in the near future, perhaps even the return of ukrainian little children. so, for today, for according to official information, 388 children were returned, you could hear a higher figure, it could be a figure of more than 500 children, it is also mentioned, but it is together with those children who were reunited with relatives, because they were separated due to russian aggression , these children mostly returned from the occupied... however, the number of returned, deported and forcibly displaced children is exactly 388, and it is, unfortunately,

very small. ukraine plans and prepares, because i don't like the word plan, you know, you can plan whatever you want, but preparing is already about something concrete, return more children, and we are talking about hundreds of children, we are talking about thousands of children, because no matter how we talk about the number, which to believe or not to believe, but the registers of status children, children and deprived children ... were and are, and continue to be at our disposal, so we well understand who was deported from the kherson children's home, who was deported from oleshki, who was deported from there bordering the so-called dpr and lpr, the newly occupied territories of ukraine, this is all well known, non-classified information for of ukraine, that is why we have a list of children with whom we can work and who can be returned, there are many preparatory tasks, i again mention this reform of deinstitutionalization, because if the children are of status, they can be... returned only to their families, and ukraine is creating all kinds of grounds in order to

return these children, so i wouldn't make a big romance here and tell you that everything is really, really good here, and we will return all 1900 children tomorrow, no, right tomorrow. to return everyone, it will be quite such a predicament and a very big one challenge, whether ukraine will cope with it, ukraine will cope with it, but is this what we are talking about and are there any plans for such a thing, no, there is not, now, unfortunately, the mechanism remains as it was, that is, if due to the so then we hand over a certain list, uh, and along with all the accompanying documents. from parents, from guardians, the russian federation sits there for one, two or three months, even they themselves talk about it, examines this list, i don’t know what she is doing there, she reads it word by word, i honestly don’t understand what is possible so long to check the documents for a maximum of 11 children, and then the process of physical return takes place, the mechanism will work

like this for now, a single legal mechanism has not yet been created, but... i am convinced that more children will return in 2024. well, let's hope so. mrs. kateryna, i thank you very much for an incredible professional conversation, kateryna rashevska, a lawyer of the regional center for human rights, was a guest with us, and the audience, stay with us. thank you for this meaningful and really important interview. we return to our broadcast regarding the situation at the front. according to a message from commander-in-chief syrskyi, the situation in the east has worsened significantly in recent days. russian troops are storming ukrainian positions in the north of the lymanskyi-bakhmut direction with the help, in particular, of armored vehicles. they have dozens of tanks

and bmps in the pokrovsky direction. meanwhile, if we are talking about the bakhmut direction. it seems that the russians are already in bohdanivka about these rumors, they deny all this, our armed forces say that this whole city, this settlement is under control of the armed forces of ukraine. now we are adding andriy osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, to our conversation. i welcome you, mr. andrii, to our airwaves. good morning. we want to talk about mobilization, about some changes , and more specifically, i want to ask about punishment. which the legislation currently provides for evasion of mobilization, so should we scare people with this punishment, or in some other way encourage people not to be afraid of mobilization? well, first of all, from the very beginning of this very long discussion, which was postponed for some reason to the verkhovna rada, although in fact all

powers to organize and improve mobilization do not lie with the supreme... commander-in-chief and the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, in accordance with the current articles 11-12 of the law on mobilization, which, let me remind you, has been in force for more than 30 years in ukraine, because now there is such rhetoric as if the verkhovna rada just passed the law on mobilization, no, the verkhovna rada simply adopted certain improvements to the entire process and, above all , to the accounting process, but what is important, i would like to say that my colleagues and i were constantly talking. to our visa from the servant of the people that when managing such large complex processes that concern a huge number of people, it is necessary first of all to explain the motivation, to explain some positive points, it is impossible to achieve any result with only punishments, unfortunately, an absolutely minimal number of initiatives

entered the final the motivation package, they are there and that's good. but of course this is not critically enough, so somehow it turned out funny that yesterday was actually the first day after the verkhovna rada of ukraine approved the mobilization package, the cabinet of ministers made a decision about a year, the so-called satellite bill was lying, it was a satellite to the first bill on strengthening mobilization, which, as you may remember, was shamefully withdrawn, and what the day before yesterday, we approved, actually resubmitted the cabinet of ministers on january 30 of this year. but the satellite one, it was lying in the verkhovna rada, and was considered last week at the specialized committee, exactly where i work in law enforcement, and there was a very an interesting conversation, because everyone involved, both from the side of the committee, regardless of party affiliation, as well as the representatives of the general staff who were with us, they admitted that this is of course a delusion, everything that is written there, and there actually proposed

some completely inadequate punishments, there , the authors signed up to... the fact that legal entities can be fined up to uah 204,000, well , there is no such thing in ukrainian administrative and criminal legislation at all, there they proposed imprisonment for refusal to pass the vlk for something up to 5 years, well, excuse me another thing, because it cannot be called in other words, the events developed quite interestingly, because the committee rejected this whole thing. history and actually prepared a new edition, but taking into account some elements of the regulation, on thursday the verkhovna rada actually supported the original cabinet bill in the first reading. because according to the regulations, it is impossible otherwise, that is, i confirm that yes, the verkhovna rada supported in the first reading this draconian increase in fines up to imprisonment for refusal of the vlk,

but at the moment there is a decision already in the profile committee, which completely cancels it all, therefore , by the second reading, by the final vote , the text will be completely different, the fines will be four times smaller, and we completely reject the topic of criminal responsibility. she will not be there for refusing to pass the vlk. we have two more minutes to talk, mr. andrii. zelensky, when he spoke to students in chernivtsi, in particular, expressed his opinion about a possible amnesty for deserters, for those who voluntarily leave military units. i understand that indeed every situation is different, and maybe somewhere there was just a misunderstanding, the person did not see himself in this unit, i wanted to tell someone else how to make it so that everyone is not measured by the same standard. on the one hand, and do we have time for it now during the war? well, i don't quite understand what it's like to measure everyone with one standard, but i know that

there is a problem of desertion, it's probably good that the president raised it, because as far as i understand, this is the first time that the issue has been raised at the highest level, and the only thing that i can tell you that at this point, as we speak to you, the committee law enforcement activities, well, at least i , although... no, probably the secretariat too, have not seen any initiatives on paper, that is , i have not seen any draft laws on this topic, so at the moment it should be taken as nothing more than the president's political rhetoric , which has a rationale behind it, because the problem is how it will be solved at the state level, i think no one knows yet. mr. andrii, thank you, unfortunately, we had very little time to talk. but still andriy osachuk was with us a people's deputy of ukraine and will continue to do so on this topic, a few words about the fact that information now officially confirms that summonses

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news on the espresso airwaves, i'm khrystyna porubiy , i'll tell you about the most relevant thing at the moment: the aggravation of the eastern front. the enemy has been active in recent days. on the bakhmut and leman directions. assault groups are advancing with the support of armored vehicles, in the pokrovsky direction they are trying to break through our defenses with dozens of tanks and bmps, - said the commander-in-chief of the armed forces oleksandr syrskyi. he visited the military in these areas of the front to discuss the strengthening of defense, in particular with drones, anti-aircraft and air defense equipment. reserves were also sent to these directions, despite significant losses.