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constitutional law, their position is unambiguous: we have no right to hold either parliamentary, presidential, or local elections, no matter how much we want i didn’t want to, and by the way, now this is a very important thesis, because moscow has already started throwing in, for several months now, putin said that after may 20 there will be no one to negotiate with in ukraine, that zelensky is illegitimate, we have everything is legitimate, both local and central authorities the government, but... but we are preparing psychologically for the elections, for the elections, because i do not rule out, you know, when they will simply forget about the constitution, and a political and legal scenario will be implemented, so first there is an information wave, we will prepare public opinion, let's say, they say, there are problems, but we will not change the constitution there, but we will change the legislation, the law, let's say about the state of emergency, the election code, there are several other legislative acts, such a scenario is possible, but don't...

pay attention to the constitution , this is not me exclude, we see that we have a crazy mess with communication, even you mentioned about these misinformation, many people listen and believe everything, why, because they do not have any such basic, basic information, basic understanding of what is possible and what is impossible , and i want to ask now about alternative communication after all these attacks on energy...infrastructure, when we saw that they were attacking, we understand that they will continue to attack, and it is quite possible that somewhere there will be a complete blackout, there will be no communication , for example, let it not happen that but if something like this does not happen, do we have a system of alternative communication, radio communication, so that all emergency services can communicate with each other, for example, the heads of communities, individual villages, maybe even condominiums, to call...

help, to inform about any unusual situation? i can't say, it's a very delicate area that needs to be understood, the only thing i can say is that we don't have a minister of culture and i emphasize information policy who should be responsible for this direction, and we don't have that the minister is already 8 months, that is, i understand that there is a bank auction, maybe it is easier to manage the executor, maybe someone is thinking about how to keep a group of their telegram channels manual, i do not know what is being done there, but in order for the work to be effective, it must to be, firstly, a full-fledged minister, secondly, there must be a clear position that... with regard to telegram channels, some of which currently work in the direction of information propaganda, that is, there i cannot speak in the language of numbers, but actually what i counted for itself, its russian telegram channels that have influence in ukraine, and

pro-russian telegram channels operating in ukraine, according to my estimate, have more than 10 million users, more than 10 million citizens of ukraine are using new news today. precisely from these russian and pro-russian telegram channels. i believe that in the conditions of war it is simply, simply a disaster, on the one hand, because we have a possible risk of information sabotage, we have a possible risk of special information operations. i'm sorry, this may have consequences for us and the health and lives of ukrainian citizens. you can sow panic all at once, you can destabilize the situation, you can do anything and that's why there should be a rather tough position on, i don't know, different scenarios, restrictions, bans, partial bans on telegram, i'm a supporter of a complete ban, and, but now, now the authorities are not ready to answer this question, oh, because it's key , what you just said, because

there is a certain feeling of polyschizophrenia here, we are running to everything right from the sixth ward and back, on the one hand, all the special services, intelligence, sbu tell us about... anonymous telegram channels as sources of disinformation, and in scales every second, if based on how much of our population is somewhere, let's say, in ukraine and not fighting, everyone, well, every second one is a victim of some kind of disinformation, the same authorities that just announced this are running their own telegram channels, and even these assinizers are dragged from the cisterns of their manual telegram channels at the official press conference. therefore, in this case, there is not even talk of the fact that he shot himself in the leg, here, in my opinion, he shot himself in the head, but we do not see from the concussion, that is, there is a kind of closed circle here, and at the same time, you you know, you correctly mentioned the split personality and the authorities have quite serious

symptoms of this split, well, at least since the beginning of this year, i have read different versions of representatives of the authorities who say that it is impossible to ban telegram. even the tones say, you are stupid, is it possible to ban telegram, it is technically impossible, but on the other hand, what is interesting, there is an official position of the national police, which says, we cannot ban today for tomorrow, it will take some time, but technically it is perhaps, that is, around telegram and social networks the games are going on, and i have the impression that part of the government is now focusing on elections and, as it were, war. war, we need to prepare scripts and media coverage and anything else, you see, you are back to the elections again, mr. oleksii, you are back to the elections, and today you again reminded us of these two words, oksana and i decided that we , to understand these two

words, we cannot drink so much and even with a snack, because a political and legal decision is something beyond common sense, we saw it once, thanks to everyone, everyone is free, all for barbecue. and i am dissolving the verkhovna rada, we have seen it, so you are talking about such a scenario, yes, exactly such a scenario, precisely such a scenario, information campaign, preparation, there is no other option, the state is in danger, only for the elections, well, maybe i am somewhat , somewhat overplayed in this regard, but an information campaign and scenario regarding the elections is quite possible, but returning to the telegram, there are no formats now, well, in general, i am against the formats of simple solutions, that's simple. took and banned, if we are talking about efficiency information policy, on the protection of the national information space, then this should be a rather complex solution: banning telegram, plus abandoning the marathon format, returning trust to national

tv channels, returning to the air, your channel and several others that have been blocked for a long enough period of time, only because one clerk called back... the other one was told to ban them, but they don't suit us, they speak too boldly about the government, there should be a set of measures, then we can have trust, but now we can't joke about it, because in wartime this is a question. of national security, mr. oleksiy, i would still like to clarify with you about the parliamentary, so-called crisis, because a few years ago, in the 19th year, there was a slightly different scheme, but the parliament must, elections must be held, now it is not about the fact that elections should be held, but now it just looks like the actual parliament, which is there, which is not there, sometimes even some things are asked to be signed retroactively. to agree, because it is already in the cabinet of ministers they have decided, they have already agreed on something, they are already

implementing the money that was handed over to us somewhere, whether it is such a regime where the parliament is simply manual, or does not work at all, how long can it last in our country and in general, how many more deputies can there be from there to go, because it is not too comfortable to be a people's deputy now, when they came to these places, the conditions were slightly different. on the other hand, oksana also mentioned another moment, when the amendment to the law on mobilization was voted on, do you remember the evening? 39, i counted, 39 deputies, all of them amendments fly like plywood over paris, that is, it looks like this, but when they need to close something, then they say, now vote, gather all the opezests together, press the button, because we have already taken that money, that is what we are talking about, then as if parliamentary-presidential. well, you know, to be honest, this is the number of 39 deputies, on

the one hand, it is very sad, on the other hand , we always have such a situation when amendments are considered, the parliament simply disperses, then mobilizes for a vote, but here is actually a problem, so that all edits are simple rejected, all the deputies' edits, i'm not talking about the so-called professional spammers, because there were deputies who made 200-300 edits each. yes, but important, extremely important amendments were simply rejected, i.e. such an important bill as on mobilization, and i emphasize, a very complex bill, these are changes to 12 other laws, this is a complex bill, this bill was actually adopted blindly, yes, and why, that’s why that there is a monomajority, but such a conditional monomajority that does not have 226 votes, that does not even have 200, and there are loyal allies, trust for the future and two opzh factions, and therefore they can afford to vote blindly and

simply not pay attention to the opposition. and you know, i even came across a very interesting assessment, one of the deputies from the servant of the people wrote a public assessment of the bill on mobilization, it was so pathetic, he wrote that a new era is coming. no, the new era is not coming, you passed a law two years late, this law should be... passed in the spring of 2022, you passed a low-quality legislative decision blindly without discussion, and you know i still think that obviously there will already be talks in may and amendments to this draft law will be registered, because there are many issues that are simply not closed, but now look, mr. oleksiy, now we have led our audience into a dead end, tsutzwang is coming out, from one parties to move the parliament into a parliamentary-presidential one... the republic in such an important period of the war cannot, cannot play with

political and legal decisions again, as in the 19th year, and on the other hand , such a pseudo-majority and such efficiency are also not needed country, because it carries no less national danger when important decisions are torpedoed, and both bad and bad, there is a problem, a huge problem, but let me remind you of the figure that for the whole of march... this year, that is, for the past month in the session format , the parliament worked less 10 o'clock, and at the same time, for several hours there were such simple ceremonial things, when the speaker of the french parliament arrived, he was greeted with applause, well, this is necessary work, this is also necessary work, later the parliament dispersed and did not meet when it did, there were simply not enough votes to pass bills , the problem remains, but i want us... not to deceive ourselves that we gathered votes for the mobilization bill, and

then the parliament will work like clockwork, it will not, the crisis will not be solved by itself, these publications that dealt with persuasion of the monomajority that one must go to the meeting, one must vote, one must support the government, you understand, crises cannot be solved by persuasion, they cannot be solved on an emotional level, one must clearly understand the nature of the crisis, the key problems and... the ways to solve them, and i i can give you a version of the nature of the crisis, scientists say that the nature of the crisis is the voter, well, i don't know how the voter, the nature of the crisis is in... a separate topic of conversation, that is , it was not possible, yes, if we speak comprehensively, it is the voter, it the nature of the crisis, the fact that we elected a rather low-quality composition of the ukrainian parliament, random people, many random people who had no experience in political activity, public activity, expert work, but simply from

nowhere, simply from nowhere, and they are even four or five year, five years of work it turned out... it's not enough to understand even the working mechanism of the state machine, it's quite difficult, that's right, because truskavetskyi university is at least 5 years of truskavetskyi university, and you don't have to go to a disco in arahamia once, right , let's be honest, this is only one of the problems, problem number two is the attempt to manage the parliament in a manual mode and not to change the opposition, that is, the opposition in our country votes for all military bills despite everything. i can talk about this for a long time, referring to our research, to talk numbers, the opposition votes for european integration bills, where there are no schemes, there are no differences of opinion and that is fine, but there is a situation when the representatives of the opposition write good bills and these children of dining kruger simply do not see it closely then, it is the opposition, well, they are just then, that's where

the unilateral movement is, but let's remember the year 2022, then the situation was ... when every fourth bill in the parliament was passed by a constitutional majority, everyone worked as one, and now we need to go back to this format of work, because now i believe that there is an extremely big problem, i understand that at the bank you can press a button, agree with opzh, agree with trust, well, no one hides this, even the representatives of the monomajority openly talk about it, what if without these parl. people, then less, now it turned out that there are already bases of evaders, there is all the information and it is already known who, how and where to take these people, and we will

consider desertion a little differently, because it is possible to forgive, it is possible to find some kind of approach and return these people to the front, this... in fact, those buttons work that you are talking about, the buttons work, but they cannot work all the time, and now it is extremely important for us to reduce the dependence of the government on opz deputies, trust and for the future, this is extremely important, because i see when they start looking for compromises, we will block the draft law that takes away mandates from local council deputies from pro-russian parties, and opzh will work with us, but i assume this... or the second scenario: we will slow down the process of banning the uocp for a year in order not to annoy the opzh, you can't do that, you can't, because this is a question, it's a question of national security in conditions of war, these are serious things. the uoc mp is the largest network of the russian world in ukraine, there are from seven to 800 parishes to date, i

have seen different numbers, it is a huge network, it is tens of times more influential than the opzh. and this also serves as a bargaining chip, i have less than a minute, you can summarize, because it turns out that one part of the security nations is traded in order to pass something in favor of another, well , fool, summarize, please, for us there is half a minute, i understand that i will say unpopular things, and the banks will say no, this is not possible in any case, agreements with the opposition, a joint plan for legislative work, the government, the parliament with the participation of the opposition. clear priorities are defined, yes, military priorities, budget savings, budget revision, personnel decisions, and then we can, priorities, deadlines, sequence, and then we can move on, this is the algorithm, but many points, well, maybe they will write them down, less , to take notes, oleksiy koshel, chairman

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an extremely interesting guest who joins us from the hospital, why from the hospital, i will tell you later, this is volodymyr nikulin, a police officer, police lieutenant colonel, deputy head of the department head office. of the national police in donetsk region and part-time protagonist of the documentary 20 days in mariupol. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you. i greet you, i greet the audience. sir volodymyr, from my experience as an investigative journalist, i can say that the police do not really like to communicate with journalists. how did it happen that you became... in general, the main character of a journalistic documentary film, please tell me about it, well, first of all, i believe that i am not

the main character of this film, the main character is the people of mariupol, these are our defenders, these are our courageous soldiers, these are police officers, and the main characters are journalists, who are you such and such a task, well, if i... uh, i was with them, i am very glad, i helped something at that time, so, well, i i don't consider myself the main character. mr. volodymyr, please explain, tell us about your experience, about those terrible 20 days in mariupol, how it all started, how the journalists attacked you, how did you even manage to leave? from there, well, it's the kind of story that pretty much applies to everyone who wears epaulettes,

all of our defenders. that this story began for me on the morning of february 24, when our relative aggression began, when all the people, all the military, the police, all the other services that are the defenders of our country, rose up against me the war began at night. on february 24, 2022, i cannot say that there was such an experience of such a war, although the war for us did not begin in the 22nd year, for the donetsk police, at that time the militia, the war began in 2014, so some work experience during we have already

had a war like this... i believe that it has not happened on our continent in europe since the second world war, so to say that we were also ready, that we were preparing, that we had experience, i believe that we met we are ready for this war, but we could not expect that it would be such a war in no case. i believe that journalists, now i can call them my friends, and i found myself next to them, well, not by accident, not by accident, i understood that the great power of journalistic work, the great power of the truth, during such events in our country, is the great power of the truth, eh... can help us

in our struggle and in our war, so when i saw them at the scene of a terrible crime by the russians, when they bombed an empty house already during hostilities, i turned to them, recommended myself, said that i from the regional police, offered help, and we... understood each other from the first, one might say, look, i turned to dostislavich, i pledged our help, only later, when i was in other places, they all said that during such events, during such war, the survival of journalists depends,

well, one can say that... letters cannot survive in such conditions without the help provided by the military, police or other special units, this was already my words confirmed by the words of those journalists, so it happened that they did a great deal and i am very glad if i... mr. volodymyr, to leave mariupol, as far as i know, you had to cross 15 checkpoints of the russian occupiers, how did it happen, tell us about your experience? yes, at that time, at that time it was necessary to drive through 15 of these roadblocks, well, i believe, there were not the roadblocks themselves. more,

how to say it, endangered the security, the very situation in the place, the very troops that entered the russians, because if journalists were captured by them, well, they would have caused such damage, to put it mildly, that well it was a mortal danger. therefore, when we left, and we left in our own car, which at that time had already been damaged by shelling, it was also a plus, you could say, i understood what it was like when we left, passed those roadblocks, i understood that overcoming each roadblock, giving each roadblock,