11 381, if not 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, today is a traditional journalistic studio, my colleagues, olga len, a political viewer, espresso host, author and host of the war information chronicles program. olga, i congratulate you. congratulations. and, oleksiy mustafin, journalist, publicist, historian, tv manager. oleksiy, i also congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast. on earth well, because we ask our viewers whether they would trust the authorities military police after the war. i will then explain why we are conducting this survey, referring to a sociological survey conducted by the razumkov center. i will ask you, colleagues, and you about this, did you trust the power of the military police after the war in the blitz format? hello? well, i would, you know,...

reword it a little specifically , you know, a separate party of the military, it seems to me that this is a little wrong, in principle, i would say that i would never entrust power now in the country to people who at all did not participate in the defense of the state, that is, me it seems that we have to revise a little our certain attitudes to what citizenship is, what is the opportunity to work in the authorities, somehow adjust it in such a way that... it is clear that only a person can make a career in the authorities, who directly participated in the defense of the country, if a person did not do this during the war, for any reason, he simply cannot hold a political position, but in principle, it seems to me, it should be like this. thank you, ulya, oleksiy, i also do not understand the political power of the military, because the military. different, they have

different views on how ukraine should develop, if we are a democratic country, this is quite natural, the only thing that is obvious is the experience of people who went through the war, and not only professional soldiers, because in our country, so to speak, the war is national , and many civilians joined, but at least the experience they gained and self-awareness is very important, i think that those political forces that... will participate in future competitions in ukraine, they should include in their ranks, in including the military, in that number of people who went through this war, if not to form a list from them at all. i will remind you that a very respectable man, for example, dwight isenhower, he was a commander in world war ii and he became president, but he became president as a representative of a certain political, political party, why... we

actually ask that and we do polls about of the political power of the military after the war, and now we talk about it hypothetically, of course, but the razumkov center published the results of a sociological study, according to of which 45% of ukrainians believe that a political force that can be entrusted with power in the post-war period can emerge from among the military, that is, it is not about you. exclusively there about the party of the military or the party of generals or the party of sergeants, and we are talking about political power, indeed, the backbone will obviously be people who fought and who were at the front, although i absolutely agree with both oleksii and olga that those who participated in the defense of ukraine, well, of course, obviously those who did not participate in the defense of ukraine will not... will not have the right, it is desirable that

they did not have the right to run for office in various government bodies, and of course they would not have received any appointments, because it is clear that in this situation it is very important to participate in current events and give everything that the state needs, another number that has been made public. regarding the trust of ukrainians in institutions, i also want to quote them once again, this is trust in social institutions, so the armed forces of ukraine are now 95.6% distrust 2.8, volunteer battalions 86.1%, distrust 7.4, well, honestly saying what are volunteer battalions, in this situation it is difficult to say, and they are all members of the armed forces of ukraine or the defense forces. relatively speaking, or joined

the national guard, 84.9% do not trust volunteer organizations, 8.9% and 80% and 40% do not trust state emergency services. well, olya, these are completely understandable numbers, and here, in fact, i don’t know whether it is possible or necessary to comment on the fact that those people on whom life in ukraine depends, even more so, people trust, that is, it is absolutely obvious that here there are no institutions, let's say there do not participate in the defense of the state, and i would rather say here that this is... first of all, it is an indicator that despite probably all those processes to undermine the country's defense capability, which has been going on here for about a year, you see, well, still not it managed to directly destroy trust in the army, despite

all the changes there, and it somehow failed to knock the idea out of the minds of the citizens that the country still needs to be defended, although the impression is that they were doing it for... this is a lot, well and the fact that the country must be defended is a statement that was confirmed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, because the law on mobilization, which was introduced by the government of ukraine on december 26, 2023, on april 11, 2024, was generally adopted by the parliament, from the document, the parliamentarians removed the clause about demobilization, which included dismissal. those who are at the front, who are in the armed forces after 36 months of service, which is still in the law on mobilization, we will briefly remind our viewers, those who are of limited fitness and those who received the second and third groups of disability after february 24, 22 , except

military personnel must re-pass the vlk, all military obligations within 60 days must clarify their data in the tsk or electronic cabinet, all men... but carry a military registration document and show it at the request of authorized security forces, to men who do not update their data whether they are evading mobilization, can limit the right to drive vehicles, conscripts abroad, will limit consular services until they update their data, well, that's very short, the thesis, i would say, the thesis of the basic law this is about mobilization. oleksiy, considering the procedure itself, how did it all happen, that these are all 400 amendments, in fact no one supported them, and there were no votes for these amendments, and it was just a formal procedure for passing these 400 amendments, almost 4 thousand amendments with the exception committee, whether

it was necessary to arrange this long period of consideration of this draft law, which is so necessary during the war, and... whether it was necessary to follow the procedural norms in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, taking into account the fact that there is a war in the country, and the leader of the mobilization process, one way or another, if he did not want it, is the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, and all this could be done much easier and faster. well, first of all, no one, no one canceled the procedure, to comply with the law on... it is necessary to follow the procedure, on the one hand, on the other hand, well, this is generally the habit of the current government, we even remember the laws that did not apply so to speak, military issues, military issues, even in peacetime, conditionally in peacetime, since the war has been going on for 10 years, and it is obvious that all

the tenure of the current government is during the war, but before the large-scale invasion, we remember, for example, the adoption of the law on land, proce, that is, the situation was absolutely the same, speak, speak, you do not interfere with us, submit amendments, we will consider them , then no amendments are accepted, they are adopted in the form in which the subject of the legislative initiative is submitted, whether it is the cabinet of ministers or someone else, so we have to get used to this, that this will obviously happen in the future, it is obvious that it is possible it had to be adopted earlier and don't drag it so much. but then again, well, it's a general situation where politicians remain politicians even in times of war. we remember how much there was now around what is not in the law, this

demobilization procedure, but we have to remind you that in general this issue was raised, once again by the same servants of the people, the same, excuse me , bezuz, the first , raised this question. although the military then said that this should not be determined by law, since we do not know the situation, we cannot predict the situation, which depends not only from us at the front, so again. it seems to me that too much time was wasted precisely in view of the political circumstances of making any decisions, even in conditions where we supposedly have a parliamentary majority of parliaments, but on the other hand, what happened in the parliament, olo, shows that the fact that there is no parliamentary crisis, if there are votes in the parliament for the bill for the adoption of the law on... well, the bill on mobilization, and if the servants of the people do not go to

meetings when they do not want these the amendments were generally voted on by this faction, well, it turns out that the office of the president of ukraine can mobilize when necessary, and this is the majority in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and all the talk there about the parliamentary crisis that has taken place over the past two months, they simply have no basis they had no grounds, well , they had no grounds before, because even before, in principle, there were... votes for the adoption of this law, they had been there since december, when it was first introduced, even then they were fine, but since the president, i will remind you that since may 23rd, i have not even signed the law on lowering the threshold for mobilization from 27 to 25 years old, so this gave both his strength and a bunch of others some kind of, well , i think this is a false signal, which is necessary now in this moment literally turn on. in some such, you know, race and fight, for

literal protection, who will protect the dodger better? well, for some reason the political power of the president and he himself decided that these are not his voters at the front, that his voters are exclusively in the rear, and they do not want to mobilize, and they must be protected. moreover, they are something they forgot that in our country at the front there are the same civilian people who are also there temporarily, and their rights must be protected as well. to give, and in principle, well, somehow, this whole story, well , the authorities started it, the authorities got into it, the authorities as a result arranged, well, absolutely disgusting, i consider the history with this law, because to take it is just dragging all this time, then when the time is down, we could already form new brigades for six months, we could already do rotation. but thanks to the commander-in-chief, that is, actually

president, we now have a problem with the fact that we don't have enough people at the front, it's not about demobilization for the simple reason that we don't even just have enough people, but they tried all the time somehow to avoid what should to attract more people to the army, that it is necessary to pass through the army several million... citizens in order to be able to get some of them out, to give them the opportunity to return home, they talked about some kind of economic front, as if these civilians who now in the army, they are not can return home and hold the economic front exactly as well as those who are holding it now, well, what is the problem, they are the same civilians, businessmen, workers in labor professions, farmers, well, they are absolutely nothing... they are different, they this is exactly how the economic front can hold on for a while, and the economic front, i believe, will not fall

under this, if there is simply a rotation, here and there, well, moreover, the main thing is that i have not decided, i believe, this whole story , nevertheless, the authorities did not show their readiness to conduct a fair trial mobilization, because as long as there is such a thing as reservation, according to non-military criteria, that is, there should be only one k... reservation, this person is simply vital for maintaining the defense capability at his workplace, and he must be mobilized in the same way and obliged to be at that job, well, as a military man, he can't suddenly say: oh, i'm resigning, sorry, i'm here, i wanted to go somewhere else, goodbye, goodbye, i went somewhere, what if we are booking someone, so he has to be at his workplace, like a soldier, whether he wants to be there or not. he should be there, well, everything should be fair, right, and even more so there shouldn’t be any orts, art workers,

national union of journalists, these people are very much needed now to ensure something, i think, they are not needed at all, in principle, a circus , the circus is needed, why, well, well, this, it’s all of us, we all understand very well, the defense capability of the country does not depend on these people in any way, because they interchangeable in this regard. to tell some legends here about the fact that there are some very talented people who absolutely cannot, well , that's all, that's all wrong, as a result of all this, they simply forgot that... we have a large number of civilians at the front, for whom all this whistling, it's just extremely, well, it just demoralizes them in the first place, and this is the main danger of the country, to demoralize those people who are at the front. thank you, ola, oleksiy, when this draft law was submitted to the verkhovna rada and even after that, there was a lot of talk

now they are talking about justice during mobilization, but what is it? fair mobilization, fair mobilization - the mobilization of all, everything else will always be questioned in one way or another, whether it is fair or not, but look at the law that has been adopted, and the system that, well, the ministry of defense and the government are now proposing, because the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted the draft law. submitted by the government, whether or not this system is currently fair without deciding on the mobilization procedure as to how it will take place, i.e. can it be said that now the mobilization in ukraine is fair, well , i'm sorry, i didn't hear the whole question, well , it's obvious that if there is a question, then it can

be called not entirely fair, at least, of course, everyone has their own criteria, criteria, but... it seems to me, that there are too many political games around it. these decisions could be made faster, more efficiently, and in the end it would be more effective. but again , they postponed this question, because there were, there were questions about the ratings there, politicians, who, who protects people, who does not protect people, and it seems to me that this did not have a negative impact on the adoption of this law. firstly, in terms of time, we always don't have enough time, and we have such a great luxury in passing this law, this, on the one hand, and on the other hand, we see that politics has not gone anywhere, i wanted to return to that the question you asked, is there a political crisis, is there not a political crisis, there is a political crisis, it is not going anywhere, there are simply

decisions that need to be made regardless of whether there is a political trough or not, whether it is parliamentary or not. the question of mobilization is just such a question, because it is about the survival of the country, the survival of every ukrainian, and obviously these decisions must be made, regardless of whether there is a majority in the verkhovna rada or not . on other issues, such a majority, as we see, well, in many cases, when votes are taking place, and even during the discussion of this law, when we have half a room going somewhere from the meeting hall, it means that in fact the crisis is quite, quite deep, well, no you will be on... for every bill to invite the military, who will come to the hall and force the deputies to vote one way or another, in fact, that's why they are military, because they perform more important duties, including at the front, so it seems to me that this is rather an imitation in that you see, there is no crisis, there is a crisis, it has not

gone anywhere, but how to deal with this political crisis, which... is there a parliamentary crisis in ukraine under the conditions when there are no elections, that is, the elections will not be soon, and it is clear that both the parliament and the president need to work it is necessary to work until the moment until there is a victory, until the war in ukraine is finished, how to motivate or how, how to properly conduct a conversation with those who are in this political crisis and are deepening this political crisis. it is necessary to motivate people to join the defense, that is why motivation is needed, and to motivate deputies to fulfill their duties, it is, you know, somewhat strange, in general, it seems to me that the constitution provides several opportunities and actions for a deputy in the event that there is a political or parliamentary crisis, on the one hand

on the other hand there are elections, this is something that is impossible now, but reformatting koalas is possible. a coalition is created not only once and forever, it can change during one term of office, it is necessary, in principle, in conditions of war to create a broader coalition that would not depend, so to speak, on a few people or a few votes during voting, but this means definitely greater responsibility of the people who take responsibility for creating this coalition, involvement, obviously, it requires... greater flexibility from the political power, primarily under from the same servant of the people, who is the leading force in one way or another in the parliament, obviously should not be adopted. for laws, that is, you can propose any amendments, but we vote only the law that comes to us in its first form, obviously we need

to listen to people who represent other political forces, well, but again, this requires greater responsibility, but again after all , the question here is not that either elections or, or our parliament does not exist, the parliament exists, it has deputies and must be created, if not if one majority does not work, a new one must be created. well, it's absolutely, absolutely obvious, and everything you say is correct, oleksiy, but the reality is that in the conditions of monopolies, we probably have to talk about monopolies, because when it comes to monopolies, everything is absolutely obvious, there is a parliamentary majority headed by a servant of the people , rather, the servant of the people is a monomajority, and when it comes to responsibility, there is no monomajority. responsibility, then for some reason this responsibility is blurred with us, well, i would n't say that it is blurred, nothing, sorry, but look, well, with the law on mobilization , it turned out that way, no matter how much they tried to blur the responsibility, no matter how much the president tried

to avoid it, as a result , his party voted for exactly the law that he immediately submitted, that's all, period, and as a result, we had to vote for such an option, which was immediately proposed, because it turned out that there was no alternative to it, no matter how much the president wanted it... and now he himself has to speak up and say that this is how we should punish evaders more, this is how we should attract more to army, he was running away, running away from this one responsibility, he did not run away from it as a result, so, well, again, the attempts continue, for some reason they refer to the fact that the military wants this, the deputies want this, well , why is there a subject here, this and this is on him, because it reminds , you know, the famous anecdote, when the captain tells that i led the ship through four oceans and 20 seas, and so on

and so on, and then he says, as a result, we ran aground, well, that is, either i or we, the responsibility is not it happens, it doesn't happen , so to speak, as the russians say, flickering, thank you oleksiy, let me remind you, friends, that we are working in... live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, during this broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether you would trust the power of the police and the military after war? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote yes, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we are like we have voting results, a very short topic, about how in lviv lviv beaumond justified his entertainment by collecting funds for drones, and how the chief

inspector of the lviv customs yulia dryga was fired from her job after she said on a video that her clothes cost a total of about 800 dollars, that is, a very short topic of two pieces of news, the first is that the participants of a luxurious party at the resort have gathered. but the money is only for seven fpv drones, that is, the five-star recreation complex eden resort, medical and spa, and lviv media, our colleagues wrote about this party, they spent much more on this party than all these people in diamantes and evening dresses collected half of the drones, 115 uah they collected, and spent an order of magnitude more, but all... it was packed , of course, in this charity event, this whole community later reflected when they read

the information on lviv-media and quarreled with our colleagues for writing about it, but during the war they organized such a party, ee people, people are not poor, but they collected quite modestly, another heroine is this the chief inspector of lviv... artist yuliya dryga, today she was fired from her job, after she talked about how well she was dressed in a video, she became the heroine of a story on the tiktok of blogger mykola karma, who asked people on the streets of lviv about their clothes , let's see, because this is a very revealing video, hat, baginsky 18, the dog's name is gutsi, there is even a leash for her. then gucci is specially made for dogs, how much does such a strap cost, somewhere around $200, $200, a bag, so you already know the prices of all technologies vitoni, and if i were like that, everyone

answered me like that, then i wouldn't have anything to shoot, maybe. they bought through bayer, maybe it was cheaper, and the shoes, erm, about 800 dollars, and the watch, watch cards, and how much it costs, about 500, somewhere yes, yes, i took such a jacket, somewhere 2, chalcedony leggings, one and a half for sure, what do you do , a little for yourself, a little for the state, you work in government work, yes, she works a little for herself, a little for the state, that is, said the boss. inspector of lviv customs, olya, this story testifies to both this party and this the chief inspector of the lviv customs, so that for some people there is no war as such, they go there in clothes for 8 thousand dollars, work a little for the state, a little for themselves, who should bring them to their senses, well, there should be a law on mobilization bring ideas to reality,

well, and secondly, well, in fact, this is... everything to what we talked about, it is clear that there are women, no one mobilizes them, such a thing, but the fact that they do not feel and the fact that they want to go for a walk and need to somehow camouflage it, well it is, well it is, because yes, they don't feel, well, what can i say, they really feel very safe, they don't feel any difficulties in life at all, moreover, judging by everything, this is even such a phenomenon, we have to talk about it, there are a lot of people. who actually receive a dividend from the war, because someone there rents apartments three times more expensive than they could before the war, someone there earns something else, well , they pay a little for the state, a little for themselves, somehow more for themselves, as with it turned out, well, of course, this is all very bad, and this again brings us back to the fact that after all the burden of the war must be distributed, well, somehow more fairly, apparently, it must...

be distributed to all, well, to everyone, and therefore there can be no question of any reservation at all, therefore, the state officials must also all serve without any harrowing , well , because they are all interchangeable, they fired this girl, i think that there is just a queue standing normally, there is no problem, you know, i think that there are just a lot of them, well, that is , somewhere it should be, but these stories are no no no no one no one. nothing they teach, because we see all these stories non-stop during the last two years of the war, when officials are absolutely mad at officials that there is a war in the country, they buy themselves luxury cars, they buy a little work for the state, a little for themselves, a little they sew, they steal a little, they corrupt a little, they take a little bribes, well, that is to say , one gets the impression, as one

foreign publication once wrote, that... they try to get the most, because they understand that in this story they can take everything, a then it may not be. oleksiy, how do you think these people should be brought to their senses, and i don't want to engage in moralizing, but in this situation it all looks a little very strange, when government officials behave in this way and... they don't even feel ashamed, and they do not even have any feeling that there is a completely different life and it is not so luxurious and well, it is impossible to be, well , so to speak, a person cannot behave one at a time in one place and in a completely different way in in another place, people, you cannot remake a person, we

it was seen in peacetime that these... people lived a completely different life than the majority, the majority of the country, and to expect them to somehow change their lives in the face of a large-scale invasion, let alone a war, then i think that absolutely naive hopes, only real, so to speak, real punishments for abuse can bring her to her senses, because if you know, a person says: she works a little for the state, but now she no longer works, i mean for the state, in general works only for himself, so why should the state spend money for these people, you know, we have, in principle, where to put this money, the same with the so- called parties to collect money.