this is about politics, about the world, i am maria gurska, my interlocutor is pavel kowal, the head of the committee on international affairs of the polish diet and the polish government's commissioner for the reconstruction of ukraine, good day, good day, what are you doing now as the commissioner for the reconstruction of ukraine? this is a function in every large country, in this world there are such appointed people who act on behalf of the state, on behalf of the government for cooperation with ukraine. it also looks like this in our country: something more is being created than it was before, because polish-ukrainian relations rich, there are more and more of them. therefore , a special public council will be assembled from representatives of business, science and non-governmental organizations. this council will be an advisory body under the prime minister and will have its own chairman, and that will be my role. this is the decision

of the prime minister, who will also perform all the roles of the representative. a specially created secretariat will be at his disposal, which will consist of several dozen employees. this secretariat will deal exclusively with relations with ukraine, especially in the context of reconstruction. so, this institution is forming little by little. the institution has already been formally created, for this there are relevant orders of prime minister tusk. we have been working on it. for the last few weeks we wanted it to be something special, so that there was a feeling from the ukrainian side that we are approaching the topic holistically, that is, not only politics, not only government, but also higher education institutions, the public and society, and at the moment it seems to us , that it was successful, the elections are also going on in poland and last sunday, super hot time, we are between two rounds of elections, the first round took place last sunday, and april 21 is already the second, how does the government evaluate the results of the first round? governed in seven or

at most eight regional sejms, now we are concluding these elections with the fact that most likely we will govern in 11 or even 12, it is still being determined, the regions are the most important for us, because it is the regions that dispose of european funds, and it is in the regions that most of the real changes in politics take place, i would say, because the regions. decide how to spend money on ecology and energy, a significant part of european money passes through the regions, and that's where we are gained the most power, and this is also a chance for things to be a little better than before, or even much better, big successes in big cities, the brand of these changes is rafala chaskowski in warsaw, but i also want to emphasize: attention, attention , gdansk is a great result, bialystok is a great result for democratic candidates.

do not end in april, we have the second part of the local elections ahead of us, and then the elections to the european parliament, then when there will be time to solve the difficult issues of the dialogue, but we deal with it constantly, i even sometimes i think about our program, my lord, how can it be that we have something to talk about every week, is there another country that we can talk about relations with every week. there would be new topics,

there are really many issues for discussion, i hope that this new council under the prime minister, which i told you about, created for cooperation with ukraine, will work effectively with them, it will take care of various areas, including culture, and the economy, and cooperation with local authorities, we have a chance to do a lot together, i would like the authorities local self-governments actively participated in the reconstruction, polish local self-government bodies began to help ukraine from the very beginning of the war, we have very strong cities and very strong. "good, and now you can participate in cooperation, i would like to find many ukrainian local self-government bodies to cooperate, this is my dream, i have a vision that these polish local self-government bodies, in particular geminis, will be able to receive help from the west for investments in ukraine, conceptual assistance can be really great about the weaknesses of this

election for poland, pis calls it his ninth victory, it is known that their high results in some cities were made possible by low voter turnout, the opposite of what we saw after the parliamentary elections . my explanation here is , that in fact there was no such tension around these elections as around the october elections, which ended with the formation of the government in december, the elections on october 15 were at the edge of public emotions, the current elections without this tension still gave us slightly better result than october and peace is indeed in first place but they have no coalition ability, that's their bullshit, they can say they won the election but govern at the highest level if they're lucky... or just one, and in fact this is the case in none, only in one former voivodship place, it is terribly weak. internally, they know this, and this result from their point of view

is very bad, they just brag that in such a national calculation they had 34% and came first, because then the following parties had 30% and below. other parties form a coalition, the dog is not present in the local government, and that's a good thing, because they treated the local government horribly, like a cash cow that you can do whatever you want with, that is their property at the disposal of their party, don't be like that maybe it will finally be over. the british publication and the british publication the economist, with reference to military sources in kyiv, suggest that russia seeks to turn kharkiv into a gray zone, unsuitable for life. but we go to work, we fight, we show performances in wartime kharkiv, which

russia is attacking, hitting its energy infrastructure and killing people, and this is a beautiful cultural city, the second capital. what to do with the fact that russia is erasing this city from the face of the earth in front of the eyes of all of europe? i was recently in kharkiv, i also have the feeling that the russians are too much hanging around kharkiv, they are thinking of some such solution to either surround kharkiv, or destroy it, force kharkiv residents to leave the city.

you just need to arm the soldiers who protect kharkiv, people must be given hope in matters of reconstruction, such rapid reconstruction of the infrastructure they need. we cannot allow the russians to make kharkov a gray zone, where there would be no school, no kindergarten, no shop, etc., and people would live as if in a blockaded place. this is actually the goal of the russians, and we oppose it. all the efforts of polish diplomacy in europe serve this purpose. do you know?

understood that the loss of a large city by ukraine, the successive exhaustion of kharkiv by the russians, terror against the city, or an invasion deeper into territory of ukraine is not a problem of ukraine alone. this is a challenge for the entire event, and not an internal political problem in ukraine, it has become a test in all countries whose governments stand on the side of justice and international order, that is, on the side of ukraine. therefore, if putin manages to break through the front this year.

we are waiting, because it is really very necessary, there are things that can be done now, in fact, what mr. burbok says is possible. it must be taken and done now, and not to say that it must be done, i am speaking from the position of the ambassador of the seimas, parliamentarian, when i hear members of the government say, must, must, do, who today can do more than europe, than such powerful governments as france, italy, germany, it's time to act, if god forbid something happens.

it's true, but when individual politicians in the world talk about it, it's one thing, after all, it's about a single voice. i agree that this is a breakthrough, and we are now witnessing such moments of change in rhetoric. at first it was visible in macron's statements. so far, mobilization continues in ukraine, and this week after a long one discussions of the verkhovna rada adopted the government law, also begins.

within the framework of our mentality, we cannot understand that for more than 30 years we lived in peace, but it was not forever, it's just that people's heads are built in such a way that it seems to them that happiness will be eternal, and they get used to it, and this is the essence of the matter. let me just add, maybe even more for the polish audience, that while poland is mobilizing, it leads to the readiness of operators.

the increased activity of russian trolls, which i observe in poland, in particular, troll factories from st. petersburg. so of course i understand that the mobilization in ukraine is now very broad, but your words made me think for a moment and also remember in this conversation that in poland there are now very intense informational attacks in the conspiracy, especially in social networks by the russians. and i think that, first of all, we on the polish side should prepare for even greater attacks of propaganda and disinformation. i have a feeling that... the russians are up to something, and it 's getting bigger and bigger. another impression i had

this week, which i would like to share, is a conversation that took place during a meeting with my acquaintances, girls from polish television, polish journalists and representatives of big business, they shared that now they are very patient with us, temporary military migrants from ukraine. it is a matter of time if the poles also have to flee and be refugees in europe, and they now feel that such a scenario is possible. because now the moment has come when we think, for example, i will realize that if someone in europe wanted, for example, to start negotiations on russian terms, then they are acting against the security of my country, because further geographically poland. we also need to overcome the barrier of realizing that if putin does something bad in kharkiv, it will directly affect ours. to prepare differently, to know more about

where the bomb shelters are in their area, to know that these shelters exist at all, to build them, to act in the direction of civil defense, our government has already started to take this issue very seriously, to provide more education and training in the field of civil protection, sometimes i think that the changes caused. i think that this is what ukraine should do, and she does it well and we support it,

but the truth is that victory always begins on the battlefield.

this is the most important thing, but war is also what is going on in people's heads, regardless of whether they hope for change or not, and it also affects mobilization, but how to influence what is going on in the heads of nato leaders? you and i talked about

mobilization, how to carry it out if the ukrainians do not receive a clear signal that they are joining nato, that is... it turns out that the mobilization should be influenced by stoltenberg and others, with politics, as with diplomacy, you just need to talk a lot, travel, explain, i promise that i will talk about ukraine at every meeting next week in washington, i will have probably ten of them, we are fighting and there is still time until july, this is my role, everyone should do what they can, what they should do, what they can influence in their sphere, everyone should do what they can, i would say so, and the second such voice is, unfortunately, negative for ... trump, which assumes that he is the candidate and potentially the future that we don't really know, but there's also the politics of the biden administration, and it's really moments like this, recently in warsaw

at my invitation was garil kasparov, he's an outstanding russian, one of those who never had. has this element of thinking in the category of drip aid, that is, to give ukraine a little bit, but not too much, not too much, especially during the elections, historians will write about it later, because such statements as those made by minister austin are not well remembered.

we will remind, recently such the attack was carried out by a ukrainian drone in tatarstan and hit facility of the russian energy infrastructure 1,200 km from the border of ukraine. this is a great success and very telling. and this fact speaks to the imagination of the citizens of ukraine. if we are betting that ukraine will win, then the russians should get a signal that the ukrainians have their own way of fighting. what does this date mean to you and what are the main takeaways after all these years? is it also very important for ukraine?

this is a topic for a whole additional program, because for me the memory of that morning 14 years ago still occupies a very large place. this first one the news, the news that probably many of my friends, including the president and his wife, had died, i received during a radio broadcast that had to be interrupted. later, i went to smolensk, there i participated in various conversations, including long talks with vladimir putin that day, it is not mentioned much, it was a very difficult, sharp conversation, when i, on behalf of the polish delegation, demanded that the body of the president be returned to poland . donald tusk was prime minister at the time, and while he was on the plane, the russians seized the moment. previous agreements were not fulfilled.

this does not enter his mind, and secondly, putin quickly realized that he can influence the internal politics of poland. after all these

years, do you feel that it was putin who ordered this tragedy, this catastrophe? we can and should only talk about things that are based on evidence. and today there is no evidence to claim that the russians.

this is a figure who was constantly attacked by the supporters of pis in our country, i.e. radoslav sikorskyi. he actually tried to transfer certain elements of the investigation to european level back then, under that government.

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