good day, glory, to begin with, first of all, i want to talk to you about how important and relevant mobilization is, actually, let's start with you, friend oleksandr, in particular, you recently said in an interview with deutschevelli that if today a large number of ukrainians will not go to the military, later they will fight anyway, but already in the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation. and i want to ask you to comment and explain, in your opinion, how much time ukrainians have to mobilize and how many people are currently needed for the front, in your opinion? i believe that it is worth starting from the numbers, we understand that in the order of 200, 300,000, they plan to demobilize, respectively... we have to

understand that we need a comparable number, to oppose them at the front, this is actually the answer to your second question, the answer to your question the first, well, it is also obvious, they do exactly that, they capture the territory, demobilize everyone there and throw them into the same meat assaults, so now just common sense should tell us that it is better to... fight in his army, rather than later fighting in the army of the occupier. gentlemen, i now have a question for you regarding the content, in fact, of the draft law on mobilization, which was adopted by the verkhovna rada as a whole on april 11. the first, most important issue in this draft law is the lack of information about the demobilization of serving military personnel. now, mr.

vladyslav, what do you think about this? it is not a very good situation, because in fact there should be certainty, including in the issues of demobilization, besides, we must remember that in the period between 2014 and 2017 , ukraine already passed through six minutes mobilization, and then as part of the mobilization processes , demobilization processes also took place, each of the citizens of ukraine who was called up for mobilization and was not ready to sign. the contract on a professional basis, regarding the completion of service in the ranks of the armed forces, was released, either after 12 or after 15 months, but there was an understanding of how much time our fellow citizens are called up to the ranks of the ukrainian army, of course, that the whirlwind of a full-scale war can make certain adjustments, but nevertheless there must be definiteness. official spokesmen of the ministry now the defense assures us that this process will be organized within the next eight months, but it seems to me that this is too much dedication... to prospects, a clear understanding

of how long they have to serve, our soldiers who volunteered, who enlisted at the time of february on march 22, in order to defend our country, this is an urgent issue, and this does not mean that all of them will immediately be freed from evil in the armed forces, for some, combat work is to the heart, and they do not seek return to civil life, but again in order for us to be as responsible as possible. conducting demobilization processes, the mobilization campaign must work just as effectively, which will call for ukrainian troops, motivated, further trained, rurally equipped and trained city officials. comrade oleksandr, i wanted to ask you how the soldiers at the front accepted the news that the bill on mobilization does not provide for demobilization. literally yesterday on the evening

broadcast, we talked about it with one of the soldiers a lvivian and he said to me that, well , personally, i consider, well, my position , including whether everyone thinks so, which part thinks so, i cannot know, but i will voice what i think about it: war - it's... unpredictability, and guaranteeing people something you can't predict is kind of, you know, adventurous to say the least, and what did this fighter actually say about, well, it's been 3 years, and i'm leaving home only when there is a clean opportunity, he will understand... that

someone else has taken his place, and even better two, until he has such confidence, of course he will not go there, but i suppose that not everyone thinks the way he thinks about that matter. therefore, the state is simply forced to at least understand how the mobilization will go, what it is about? in order to demobilize people, we need to mobilize at least the same number, preferably more. we still cannot understand how the dynamics of mobilization will go with us after the adoption of the law and, i hope , the signature of the president, so i understand the actions of the state in this matter and my attitude before this. gentlemen, i actually want to talk to you about the content of this law, how do you evaluate it for yourself, whether it can change the situation with mobilization, whether this

law will be beneficial, or whether some individual moments in it will only provoke ukrainian citizens to avoid . so, with your permission, i will begin, so we must understand this, ukrainian legislation has many excellent initiatives, but whether all these initiatives were implemented in practice, as they say, is a debatable issue, and here we must understand not only how effective the the mechanism developed by our people's deputies. and to what extent it will be used and applied in practice, because the mobilization potential of our country seems to be equal to half of 4.5 million people, but we can see that the ukrainian army is already experiencing a lack of trained, motivated , equipped and ready for prolonged combat

work, why so occurs, the reason for this may be low, but the key issue is related to the involvement of the application of norms. draft law, because it has not yet acquired the status of a law, because it president volodymyrsky did not sign, is whether all the norms laid down in this draft law will be implemented in full, because once again we remember that ukrainian society demands and expects an extremely high level of justice, whether it will be observed we will see only later, well, for now, it is worth understanding that the current bill corresponds to the realities that exist on the battlefield, and... the issue of intensifying the mobilization process remains important. friend oleksandr, do you have something to add? yes, any solution should the expected results and possible consequences of

the decision, which are prescribed in this draft law, are still, above all, expectations. the result, yes, there may be consequences, of course, they must also be taken into account, but we must understand that the most important thing we have now is mobilization, and there is no doubt that the expectation is that this draft law will contribute to the fact that we will be able to mobilize sufficient quantity, the question is how we will be able to learn later, how quickly we can learn, therefore... still, we have to think more in this direction, so beyond doubt, i might have had somewhat high expectations for this bill, even when it was a bill before its adoption, but we have what we have and we have to work with what we have. there are many

points in the draft law regarding who will not be mobilized, who will be followed by the armor, and... and these may be quite controversial points, for example, employees of the ministries are protected from mobilization, in addition, we know very unpleasant stories from due to the fact that mobile circuses in ukraine are recognized as strategic objects, which are also employees who will not be mobilized, we know that in full armor they received an employee... and tv channels of the united marathon, in your opinion, similar stories, they will provoke a sense of injustice in citizens, and whether or not it will, will not lead to that people will avoid

mobilization, and the number of evaders in ukraine will only increase, as, for example, you consider, mr. vladyslav, the issue of information. conducting the activities of the ukrainian armed forces, including those institutions that are directly related to mobilization processes, remains relevant, how did it happen, six minutes of mobilization, the ukrainian... troops have already overcome, and this is not only about the activities of the ukrainian army, in principle, in accordance with the legislative framework, the law, mobilization and mobilization preparation, the state is responsible for mobilization , the state, the government tomorrow with the prime minister, that is, in fact , all state institutions and institutions have to take care of these issues, take care of them to one degree or another, of course, that the issue of informing the public, why it is important mobilization, what goals does it pursue? what will happen if mobilization does not take place, and here i agree with my friend oleksandr, who emphasizes

that it is better to fight with one's own army than to fulfill the whims of the russian occupiers in the framework of meat assaults, which will definitely happen in the event , if ukraine does not withstand this russian onslaught, and accordingly the russian occupation forces will move further west to the countries of eastern europe, and here it is obvious that we are faced with the question of how effective the same information campaign is if people have er... er reasons not to trust mobilization processes, in one way or another, they try to avoid mobilization processes, this is a challenge, and a challenge including for those institutions, ministries, departments that are responsible for information policy in our state, there are many questions, not all of them have answers, but there is a key one, due to the destruction of our unity, we will lose the country, it is necessary here and now, even yesterday, to look for ways, motivational factors, arguments in order to convince... ukrainian society, the citizens of our country , which fall under the norm of the law on globalization and

mobilization policy is that the defense of our country, which we appoint, and friend oleksandr, in your opinion, how good is the information campaign about attracting citizens of ukraine to the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine? well, you see, i can only say what i am doing about it. i guess, well, somehow evaluate my own actions, it seems to me that the most useful thing i can do in this situation is to just go and talk directly to people, i'm probably the third week of trying, well, doing this, and when the military communicates with citizens, but frankly against it. which scare citizens, and

most importantly, they communicate on the subject of those things that citizens, well, would like to ignore, for example, the fact that in fact now the situation is extremely difficult, i understand, everyone is tired, and the military and the rear are tired, let's do more to communicate about this with each other, this is what i can do, evaluate the media. company, well, you know, i can evaluate the media field, well, it's no secret that this media field we have now, well, it has extremely negative tones, and this is not at all in our hands, and answering your question, the first is about the circus and justice, well, look, it also causes a sense of injustice in me, but well, i look at this question in a slightly different way, here it is not in the same way as... is it fair or unfair that one is fighting , the other does not fight, there is a more important story here, if we are defeated, then both the one

who fights and the one who does not fight will be inconsolable, accordingly, i act in view of this way of looking at things, and therefore i go and communicate with by these people, and you know, i won't say that we have a hopeless situation, because in fact, when it's from... the right conversation, then you can fix the media field somewhat than it is now, and literally today i will have a meeting in chernihiv, and on sunday i will have a meeting in lviv, in the center uku, at 2 o'clock, i will be glad to see everyone, well , let's communicate, well, let's realize what challenges and risks are facing us now and... "well, listen, we already did miracles in 2022, not so much for us

calculated, we were given little time for complete surrender, and let's be honest, we surprised ourselves, well, we know how to surprise each other, well, let's do it now, because if we don't succeed, then we all will not like it very much, my friend oleksandr, in fact, i know that you..." are also actively engaged in recruiting, and in general, here is the history of recruiting, how effectively it shows itself in our realities, and whether we... can it, if not replace, at least supplement mobilization, well, i believe in this holiday, because in my understanding, a citizen of the republic, his sacred duty to fight for that republic, and when it is threatened with mortal danger, but no less sacred his right, this

choose where exactly to fight for this republic, and this is a conversation of adults. i tell people how it is there, and people ask me questions, but what should they do to get to us, and what should they do so that, after getting to us, the probability of staying alive was as high as possible, this is a conversation of adults , and we have something to tell them, because well, the ratio. losses, for example, on the road of life near bakhmut in march, april of the 23rd year, it was, well, 1:13 in our favor, accordingly, i show people that we do not know how to win, that is, we know how to harm the enemy

such losses, and if we inflict such losses on him... the amount of time, i am not ready to say how long it will last, but sooner or later he will be finished sooner than we are. moreover, i will remind you, we have no other way out, because if, god forbid, we are defeated, then we will have much less chance of staying alive than if we go to fight them now. well, i talk about, well, ... talks about da vinci, i talk about how everything is arranged there, and uh, well, when you tell that, well, kindness is equal with an equal, when you tell what exactly you are fighting, when you tell about the medical service, ulf, who took me out of very

difficult situations, and i now... can continue to fight, i tell them about ground robotic complexes, about unmanned aerial vehicles apparatuses and that we are already at war with it, and well there is a high chance that these people will fight side by side with us, and there is a disproportionately higher chance that these people will stay alive if they fight with us than if we suffer defeat in this war. well, that's it. mr. vladyslav actually, it's a very interesting topic raised by friend oleksandr, regarding the fact that people who want to serve in specific units, in specific positions, they are afraid that the military commander will send them to completely different units, and i want to ask your opinion, how important is this moment and

whether the new project somehow regulates the law on mobilization. this is a question, and are these fears of our fellow citizens well-founded, it is so obvious, my friends, with whom i maintain contact at the general staff, often deals extensively with the transfer of military personnel who, within the framework of certain of recruiting campaigns are not related to the activities of oleksandr's friend , they end up in positions and units to which they were not headed and did not plan to enter, although they had the appropriate documents, relations, that is, this is a challenge, a serious challenge, which is being faced now, while the same recruiting organization is still being formed politics within the ukrainian army, such cases often happen, in fact it is not about justice, because how can we declare that the recruiting company works effectively if those who volunteered to serve in the ranks of the defense forces of ukraine in certain positions, do not get into these

positions, but have other military accounting specialties engaged in other matters, this is definitely not about justice. so it is obvious that within the framework of the current draft law on mobilization and mobilization training, this issue must be agreed upon, whether it is detailed in a separate article, i did not see such a thing in that draft law, whether in this context there should be the responsibility of commanders who undertake i think that it is so, because i think that in the first place, in our volunteer movements and units, the question of... mutual trust and mutual responsibility of ordinary fighters and their commanders is of an extremely high level, because one warning that i often hear from our fellow citizens, which weight. whether to go to the laf-ukrainian army or not, including related to the sub-department, which commander to serve, unfortunately, modern history has not very positive stories,

including related to the not very effective and successful activities of some commanders and chiefs, who are called revengers by outsiders, is a serious challenge, a challenge that creates despair, and despair destroys from within ukrainian society like rust, corroding the same extremely high level of trust that does not... exist between the ukrainian army and the ukrainian people , and there is a lot to work on, including within the framework of the implementation and full implementation of those provisions that are specified in the newly adopted by our elected draft law on mobilization and mobilization, the law on mobilization also provides for certain elements confiscation of property for the benefit of the armed forces of ukraine from... citizens of ukraine, in particular, it is said that the owners of more than two cars will face the fact that

their cars will be confiscated for the benefit of the armed forces of ukraine. i am interested in whether you consider such norms to be appropriate, and in fact, friend oleksandr, tell our viewers how much is needed on the front of cars. cars at the front are needed, and cars at the front are always needed more than there are, after all , like everything else, but here the question is not how many cars are needed at the front, the question is how to ensure, well, here is our approach to solving this problem, we... we find cars through acquaintances, volunteers, volunteer organizations and so on, that is , well, it is possible to provide this by the unit

itself, if the state will help in this , okay, but there is a problem that is actually more important than cars, it is people, and this is exactly what my interview colleague commented about the probability of not getting to the place where you agreed to go with the state, well, first of all, this does not happen in our country, well, i can say guaranteed for the vokivdavich recruiting centers, and i will not say that i have heard somewhere that such stories happened in those recruiting centers with which we communicate, if there are such cases ... without a doubt they should not be, we have not yet seen the final version of the draft law, but the discussions that i,

which i followed before its adoption, there was talk of the fact that there will be an appropriate norm that will make it impossible for a person to get somewhere other than what he basically agreed with the state, i think this is extremely important in terms of trust, and here, well, listen, i don't have any doubts that the state will decide this issue, if i am wrong on this issue, i will be sincerely surprised, because this is an extremely important story, much more important than cars, the actual reduction in the age of people who will be mobilized to 25 years old, and what do you think , how correct is this norm and shouldn't this age be reduced even more? mr. vladyslav, first of all this is a question for you, a difficult question, i understand how many may fly into the back now, but i believe that the war is still more a matter of the youth movement, and

in fact, physical abilities, education, readiness to adapt, readiness and ability to study, to master new techniques and technologies, it seems to me that it is easier for young people, of course, that ukraine has a huge demographic gap precisely among our... to citizens, men between the ages of 20 and 30, and i understand that at the state level, perhaps, we need to be more lenient with the young people there, under the age of 25, but in order for us to be as effective as possible in our confrontation with the enemy army, we need educated, motivated, strong young people, in what way will this be resolved at the state level, i think that what... now the reduced conscription from 27 to 25 years old is a kind of probaper, that is, our government will evaluate and perceive the ukrainian society of these changes

to the national legislation on... in the future there may be more, because as we can see, this rain is for a long time, the war is not abating, putin does not give up his alarmist plans, and they are absolutely obvious to him, and he dreams of destroying ukraine as a state, a ukrainianness as a component of the people of the world, and therefore we need to have the resources to fight with the enemy army, including the same trained and prepared one, all this is important, but without a specific number of people we will not fulfill the tasks before us, therefore. .. i don’t really have detailed information about our mobilization resource by age, but obviously, if such a decision was made, well , it must have been calculated, how many potential fighters we have in this category, how many in this one and that one and that one, therefore objective the reality is one that i don't like,

because when the war started. the youngest of the honor, he was, not yet 18, he was already 18 when he signed the papers from the state, he had already turned 18 since then, and of course, i would not want the generation younger than me to risk their own lives now, but here we are there is simply no other way out, unfortunately, and i have no guarantee that this this... the threshold will not be lowered further, it depends on many factors, well, it depends on how we win back the nearest time, of course, i would very much like this threshold not to be lowered, but for those who are a little poor now, like me, a little less, i guess we should think about the fact that if we don't mobilize now,

we will have to to fight for guys who... well , gentlemen, i have one last question for you, because we are a little limited in time, regarding the mobilization of women into the armed forces of ukraine, i will quote, recently, the adviser on gender issues to the commander of the ground forces, oksana grigorieva, in in an interview with the times, noted that ukraine should adopt a policy of conscription of women. for military service according to the israeli model, do you think it is appropriate, mr. vladyslav, i have a question for you? and quite such a lively discussion took place in the ukrainian segment of the internet, after ms. oksana made such a statement, but it is obvious that we must understand that the russian federation will not move anywhere in the foreseeable future, as a neighboring country from us, and that means , that the issues are resource, human in... remains

relevant, so in fact the israeli experience is unique, can we make it 100% like this to implement with a tracing paper in our modern reality, the question is very debatable, but the fact that even now there are less than a few tens of thousands of female servicemen serving in the ukrainian army, including in officer positions, including in the positions of commanders of combat units, is our reality , and of course, the issue here should not be related to e.gender policy, but to the professional skills, professional abilities and professionalism of the citizens of our country, who are ready to defend our land with weapons in their hands. regarding the definition of this thesis, i think that a more detailed, appropriate expert community should work here, studying the social risks of those processes and the readiness of the majority of our women,

but again ukraine.