many other of our allies in helping ukraine, that is, even in the media, militarily, in any way. and now we come to this question. ah, is a real conflict in the middle east possible, is an iranian attack on israel possible in the next days, weeks or months. and if so, what intensity can it be? well, and the third question, how it can ultimately affect ukraine, because it seems to me that russia would be clapping its hands there and would very much like for this to happen and for iran to attack israel. well, of course, this attack is possible, it will happen in the coming days, everyone understands this very well, it is in months and weeks. so, secondly, it was absolutely clear that iran could not fail to retaliate after the high-ranking representatives were destroyed. e-e corps of the guards of the islamic

revolution in damascus, there is the head of this corps for syria and the middle east, general zahadi. thirdly, no one knows how intense it will be, because tehran also understands very well that the israelis, when they were preparing this attack on the residence of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, often they say that this embassy is not an embassy at all, it is just one of the houses near the iranian embassy, ​​but it is an ordinary house. this must also be clearly said, which does not have any immunity, so israel also perfectly understood that they would strike, if there was a successful strike, there would be a response from iran, and they knew how they could respond to iran's response, so in fact, iran could be trapped if they launch a major force strike, thus giving israel the opportunity to strike at the answer is a blow to... including why? on

its nuclear facilities. and thus close the topic of iran's nuclear program forever. and not to do it alone, because iran, israel is attacking iran. this is in response. did you attack us with ballistic or cruise missiles? we have answered you. now look, the possibilities of both countries are enormous. ballistic missiles for israel arrive from iran, please, they arrive in israel in 12 minutes, cruise missiles in two hours, in the opposite direction, the same pace. thus, ballistic missiles for israel can get into iran in 24 minutes. after the launch of the iranian missiles, it

can all happen at the same time, and it's also completely understandable, because i 'm sure in one way or another, in both capitals, in tehran and in jerusalem, it's great ... they realize that it's practically an obvious thing, with which it is necessary, well, one way or another, to really deal with, so we will see how adequate the iranians are, if it turns out that they are not adequate, there will be a serious war, because i understand... what if israel strikes some

strategic objects of iran, iran will not be able to say after that: that's it, let's finish. i'm not sure it's in putin's favor. in putin's favor, if there is going to be any long-term conflict, there is unlikely to be a long-term conflict between israel and iran, because they do not share borders. ugh. iran can use hezbollah for missile attacks on the north, but also. carefully, because he understands that if the israel defense forces, now out of the gas sector, goes to the north of israel and into lebanon, then hezbollah and lebanon can collapse, iran in not interested in this, because hezbollah is controlled by lebanon itself. so, the situation can be very complicated, all this looks together with an attack on the residence of the islamic revolutionary guard corps. in damascus as

dragging the iranians into a trap from which they will not be able to get out. we have to see with you now whether they get into that trap or not, because they can... do things differently, they can capture ships like they did today, they can strike, but not a very serious one that doesn't it will be possible to answer legitimately, as you can respond with a strong attack, they, that is , they can take careful steps, do you remember, andrei, that when they killed general qasem suleimani, the head of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, by the way, on the personal order of our hero of our... today's broadcast, donald trump, he gave the order, so they also said then, trump made a risky move, an incredibly risky move, why, because the iranians can respond so seriously that it will be

a serious problem for the united states, such a direct confrontation with iran, the iranians never responded to it seriously, they were responding. and that too was actually obvious to all of them, but that response was not one that allowed the united states to do a really big escalation, that didn't happen, and now there could be a repeat of that situation, you see those who want to strike iran so, in order to solve the issue of its nuclear program, they are constantly creating problems for iran. iran behaved in such a way that it could be hit. this is the second time. in fact, benjamin netanyahu is doing what donald trump did once. well, that's it you and the whole situation. by the way, if we talk about iran and nuclear weapons, then this

week there was also such information, both in the foreign press and in ours, about what is happening in iran at the moment. are already approximately ready, there are two or three nuclear bombs ready for a few weeks, well, this is a conspiracy, well , at least so, so they say, and what they, what they are in the process of developing, and what they are trying to do this, well , of course, that this is a fact, and this is this information, which, in principle, i think... it should not even be called conspiracy, as far as there, i mean the presence, the presence of working nuclear, of course, that is, conventionally speaking, they call, they called at first the same terms, now they call the terms that they can hardly have them ready for several days, that is of course

the information that they only know in the morning, i'm not sure that they also know, you know, with eaten bombs, such that you think that it is there, but it is not, that is, we are talking about the fact that... after all, iran is rather everything will use the so-called hybrid hybrid such a scenario of war against against israel and his allies, there may be, conditionally speaking, such an option that there may be a hybrid scenario , because mr. vitaly just very correctly noted the information about the capture of one of the non- iranian ports under the portuguese, not israeli, port under the portuguese flag . the ship and the armed forces, it’s not just there to bite, it’s not just hezbollah, but the israeli armed forces landed on this ship and captured it, yes, yes, on a ship which, which, is co-owned by one of

the israeli billionaires, by the way , not just the armed forces of iran, but naval forces of the islamic revolution guards corps, that is, that is, we, in principle, already now we ... can witness that it is going, maybe going according to the so-called hybrid scenario, and if we approach this hybrid scenario, then it is quite maybe he will be, but, as they say, we will see, yes, that is, that is, in any case, in any case, i say once again that this is important from the point of view of ukraine, because in any case relationally, informationally, politically, it will apply, including us. like any war, which, which, to which our allies and the civilized world will be affected. well, the most important thing is that it is, in any case, the globalization of conflicts. and by the way, when the war in ukraine began, the first shaheds began to appear. and i told

my israeli colleagues at the time that i believe that iran is supplying these shaheds not just like that, but what iran is trying to do. everything is possible to test your weapons on some real training ground, but ukraine is an ideal training ground for iran, there you can go out on real infrastructure facilities, and not about... those that you will imagine yourself in deserts, reproduce, and see where the shortcomings of drones are, you see, the russians have now very seriously improved their drones from the anti-aircraft system, the people said, oh, to the iranians, it’s all clear, it’s not clear, look, now it’s much more difficult to shoot down drones shahet systems, because they are somehow painted in something else, they are given some other wings, that is, in fact, the iranians got two years. tests of their own, at least unmanned aerial vehicles, if

we consider that this is an iron dome in israel, in israel, this is very serious work, and again, taking into account the fact that a drone flies from iran to israel in about 10 hours, 9:10, from lebanon faster, in about two hours, then this attack can be programmed now, bearing in mind the ukrainian experience. and look , there was another moment that talked about the possibility of a war between iran and israel. the russians at a certain stage, you remember, actually ran out of missiles that were in their warehouses. and they started going to tehran, demanding that the iranians sell them not only drone, ballistic missiles, and none were there, i think once we heard about an iranian missile, and so in principle, that was, by the way, my last question, what... what, despite the fact that iran supplies intelligence mukhadze r6 drones, the

same, the same shaheds, conditionally speaking, maybe some components for some weapons, but not supply ones, that is, they never agreed to this, and why, and because there are not enough of them, they they themselves need them, and here the israelis and the americans could always think, why do they need them so much, well now? it is about the fact that they are needed now, new ones can be made, so they needed them already, because they were already preparing for a possible conflict in the middle east, and the fact that they denied the russians missiles was an indicator what are their plans for the future, this is a very serious story, of course, and it seems to me that it can be summed up like this, as the fact that you and i are probably talking, it is

april 13th, yes , the famous month of nissan according to the jewish calendar, in which all historical events take place, usually ending with the story of jesus christ, which was also in this month, as you know, and here we can talk just on the eve of a new great one. a clash and a new big duel between judea and persia, you know, again a biblical story, these are all biblical stories, they just repeat themselves once every thousand years, and it can absolutely be because iran was preparing for this duel and that is why it refused even to our beloved russian friends, who really wanted us to shoot missiles, and israel was preparing. moreover, with iran as of now it no longer supplies the same shaheed in

such volumes to russia, that is, russia itself does it, according to various data, russia now makes 30 shaheed per day, plus or minus, and so iran supplies there every wednesday and many viewers, reading various monitoring information, they know that every wednesday a plane arrives early in vnukovo, to vnukovo, yes, but they bring what, where? we can imagine how many shaheeds the islamic republic itself can produce per day, approximately the same amount, and this, by the way, was also supposed to be for the army defense of israel, where the israeli intelligence services are a certain reference point, which one way or another allows you to think about what number will be armed. without any talk now about nuclear weapons, because in general, listen, in the conditions of the confrontation between israel and

iran, it is also not kozer, as you know, how many weapons iran could accumulate at the moment when such a new phase of the conflict may begin, but by the way, note that the phase is not foreseen, because, ending our conversation, it is worth reminding that everyone talked about the possibility of opening the second front in lebanon, which can be... used by hezbollah, there was a lot of talk about the houthis stopping trade in the red sea, now iran itself is stopping, as we can see, the islamic revolutionary guard corps can, as it turns out, bypass. they are ready to intervene themselves, but no one spoke about the fact that the main danger is the direct participation of iran in the conflict, and now we are coming to a situation where lyalkovit himself, like putin, like lyalkovit, came out in february 2022 there are various outlandish and apiary people, such as he is was hiding, it is a proxy of the army, yes, and iran

can now get out from under the backs of hamas, hezbollah and the houthis, with which it also covered itself in this confrontation, there is a confrontation with a real enemy, and not with an enemy that used shadows. thanks to andrii. andriy smolii. vitaly portnikov, 21:00, we must conclude by thanking all the viewers who watched the espresso tv channel, watched the saturday political club, and we will meet in this program the very next, next saturday, and we will discuss all the main topics the very next week goodbye. all the best, let's hope that not without the next... war, we will talk, congratulations, good evening, i'm myroslav barchuk, this is a program of my own name, a joint project

of ukrainian pen and espresso tv channel. today we will talk about the ukrainian ku'. or the literary canon, i.e. those texts, exemplary texts, iconic texts that are important for culture, let's talk about how it changes, who we take on board, who we leave behind, my guest today is vakhtant kyladze, philosopher, writer, vakhtan, vakhtanje, congratulations, good evening, thank you for coming, glory, glory to the heroes, so we are talking about heroes, let's start with who we take on board, who defines it, yes, is it us or a person it remains, whether cultural figures, artists, writers, remain in the boat, yes, whether they remain, how it is formed, who it is, who decides it, history decides, after all, we are only at the beginning of the process, and what

will remain there, we won't live to see it, i'm afraid. oh, but she said it wrong, well, that is, this is the difference between the literary canon and more broadly cultural, well , it is difficult to talk about the canon of culture, because there the criteria are blurred, that ’s how to consider, let’s say, an artist there, is he a ukrainian artist or not a ukrainian artist by place of birth, by place of residence, by the subject of works, by what, and you for yourself how do you define it, do you have any feeling? it is very subjective, and here it is difficult, i think, in music, in fine arts, in literature, it seems to me to be very, very simple, there is a simple criterion - it is language, ugh, and no matter what they say to me, i do not think which exists, for example the phenomenon of russian-language ukrainian literature there, it is impossible, the language, there is such

a great illusion that we, we use the language, we write in the language, no, the language speaks to us. we, we write in the language, and the language writes us, that is why the writer who is bilingual writers, and there are phenomena of bilingual writers, and it is always a question of which literature to classify this writer, sometimes to god, and sometimes to a greater extent to some one, if the writer is monolingual, it is clear that he creates the literature, the language in which he writes, period, and even if he lives in ukraine, but writes in russian, then this is a russian, a russian writer, that's all, and here we just need to put a full stop and understand that these are russian writers, another difficult question is whether russianness means hostility, unequivocally, yes, or if this writer is russian, then we we must consider him an enemy, this is a difficult question, because

now it is obvious, now there is a war, now i think that everything russian is dangerous for us, but... we are looking to the future, well, first of all, we never know what will be there really, but if we are talking about writers who wrote, or until now some still write in russian, but at the same time they may be of ukrainian origin, or describe ukrainian plots, so how to treat them, i don’t know, i have no ambiguities here, i would introduce another such and such a distinction, is this writer imperial or not? for some reason we talk about the decolonization of ukraine, about decommunization, but we don't talk about the de-imperialization of our own consciousness, and it bothers us, because we are such a... such a trauma: but how will we enter the world culture and world literature, in the world philosophy, without relying on the great russian russian literature, as it is called, and

we will simply enter, since as a large number of peoples who have no well, i can't just here i read here, here i don't read there, well, i studied the work of gustav shpet, who is from kyiv. who graduated from st. volodymyr university, which is now shevchenko university, where i have taught all my life and where i studied, but what does it mean that he is ukrainian philosopher? no, he is not a ukrainian philosopher, he is a russian philosopher, but the bolsheviks killed him, tortured him at first, he ended up on the curtain, then, then he was shot, we can’t even know exactly where and how, but he is a victim of stalinist terror, obviously but that he is not a russian philosopher, he is a russian philosopher, and he pulls. for himself, despite the fact that he belongs to the tradition, mostly german-speaking, and phenomenology, but he has all the signs of a russian philosopher, first of all, why? because he writes in russian, and

berdyaev? well, berdyaev is also a russian philosopher, he is from kyiv, and this, but he is a russian philosopher, and even more so, berdyaev, he has very dangerous works for us and for humanity in general , the russian russian idea, yes, this is this kind of russian proto-fascism, practically, modern russian. fascists and nazis, they rely on these ideas, in particular, although he also has a work that is very important for us, the original meaning of russian communism, and where it practically shows how russian communism grows out of russian orthodoxy, and how orthodoxy i is connected with russian totalitarianism and ultimately terror, but it is precisely for this work that he is dragged into the pantheon, as it were, again we have to understand what it means. it is not possible, we are not a totalitarian and authoritarian state, we cannot ban any writer or artist or philosopher, but even more, we must

study the enemy, i generally believe that and i repeat this many times, that the main one of one of our main problems is that we still do not have an institute of russia, we do not have an institute that would systematically investigate russia in all dimensions of this evil, history, politics, religion, economy, literature, philosophy, etc.? there are isolated initiatives in various institutions, but there is no institute for the study of our main enemy, and this is necessary, we have to study russian, russian should be the object of research, scrupulous, scrupulous research, but what should not be, russian cannot subjectivity on to our land, what can't be allowed, yes, because in fact we had some russian institute, it was called something, but they are there... it is, it is, it is, it is there was a project, a project, a project of the special services, and, as i understand it, a joint one of ours and the russians, yes, when it was somewhere in the early 2000s or yes, but this is not that at all, it

was rather the russian institute of ukrainian-russian friendship, than the study of russia. we will now talk about a person who should definitely be returned to the national pantheon, first of all to the kyiv area, this person's name is mykola makarenko, he is an art critic, archaeologist. who is actually the savior of st. michael's and st. sophia's cathedrals in kyiv. oksana zabushko is in touch with us, a writer ms. oksana, i greet you, good evening. good day. ms. oksano, you created a petition on the website of the kyiv city council to honor mykola makarenko, and to rename one of the streets of kyiv, which is right between st. sophia and... st. michael's cathedrals, after mykola makarenko. please tell me a few, i am sure that many people still do not know about mykola makarenko. please tell me what kind of man this is and

why it is so important to honor his memory and bring back his memory? well you know this is an old story, and i would say it has been on my heart for a long time. i think i saw your post in... sbuk, mrs. miroslava, and it is clear to us, the children of the kyiv intelligentsia of the 70s, this is what we grew up with, this is the oral history that was left to us where we have they took away the written one, where the documents were taken away from us, and in the case of mykola makarenko, it was a tradition, it was a kyiv apocrypha, about a person who... was told from mouth to mouth, that is , about an art critic and archaeologist who saved sophia of kyiv, mykhailivskyi could not , and he saved sofia of kyiv. well, i guess

we must start with something that may not be known to everyone. after the holodomor, when kyiv was finally calmed down, pacified and ceased to be the pitlyurov garden, as dobkin called it, we remember, back in the 21st year, thus, unaware of the circles with which he communicates, obviously, that means in those in the circles of that kostya wool, which lay in kharkov at that time, those zhduns who were waiting for the arrival of russian troops, kyiv remained under the lyurovsky city even 100 years later. well, it is clear that in 1934, that is, after the holodomor, that's when he was ceased to be a podlyur city, and the capital could be moved from kharkiv to kyiv. in the 20s it was still dangerous. kyiv

was a raven, kyiv was a pitlyur city that did not accept the bolsheviks, and it is clear that this was the history of the uprooting of kyiv, including the history of the projects of its architectural rape, that is, it is clear, the destruction, the destruction of churches, only in in the 1930s, about 300 cathedrals were destroyed, that is, it is clear that this is a complete... on the architectural face of the city, but the main thing was this langbard project, of one of the leading stalinist architects, langvard's project, it would be good if you had a picture, because this project has been preserved, and from it we have even one corner of this colossal rectangle that was supposed to be in place, the entire yaroslavl garden. that

city of yaroslav, that is the historical heart of the rus of ukraine, where from sofia to mykhailivskyi, that is the entire territory, that is, from the 10th, from the 11th to the 19th century, that means that all this should have been demolished, instead there should have been a colossal, such a gray brick is great. rectangle, which, in the center of which was supposed to be an 80-meter-tall statue of lenin, and it all ended with stairs that went down directly to the dnipro to the river station. yes, yes, there is this project, there is this project, this is a drawing of this leningrad sculptor langard, and actually, it is, it is colossal. there is

a colossal statue on the mountain, and from it there are stairs to the dnipro, and this is from below, and this is so from below you can see this absolutely terrible view, well, but we have left, so not only a picture, we have also a monument left of it , we have only the corner of this rectangle left, which gives an idea of ​​the scale and scope of the project, and this corner is the current ministry of foreign affairs. so, before what was there, whether it was the party’s opcom, or the party’s hill, the party, yes, well, you can see it, this gray, massive, gray, this patch, it was the beginning of construction, that is, the construction began, mykhailivskyi was demolished, the buildings, cleaning, that means the territory has begun and construction has begun, that means, how

did sophia heal, well, this is a riddle, and the answer to this, to this riddle is precisely given by this kyiv apocrypha, according to which mykola makarenko, one of the leading ukrainian archaeologists and art historians, he studied in st. petersburg, graduated, in my opinion, in the first years, somewhere in the early years of the 20th century. in any case, in 1910 he already headed the antiquities department of the vermitage, and in 1919, when ukraine became independent, he came , so he started working, not remembering skoropadskyi or petliura, well, in any case, he came, he came to kyiv to build his native ukraine, a native of the cossack family, he is from the poltava region, from lohvytsia and...

the subject matter of his works is extensive.