not television, not facebook, but tiktok and telegram, there was a lot of talk about telegram during the last month that the ukrainian authorities should keep in touch with those who administer and promptly resolve issues regarding these channels that work against ukraine, that conduct a very large information sabotage work, now they are talking about tiktok, the center for countering disinformation at the national security service. together with tiktok will block dubious accounts, this was announced by the deputy head of the department alina bondarchuk, let's listen to mrs. bondarchuk, we gave there is already a list of tiktok accounts that should not be viewed, it is on our website of the center for combating disinformation and on all social networks, we have given this list and then we will move on to blocking, literally just a couple of days and we will already start blocking them in the blocking system, there is one thing but there is a reaction based on the phone number

and according to the correspondence, i.e. if this content is there or they tiktok sees that this content has already appeared, then they can also block such videos, i.e. not only because of our complaint directly there for us there submitted complaint and all, but if, for example , the same video appears in ten different accounts there in a day, for example, one, two, third, fourth, and the video is the same... then in this way it will be automatically block even without a complaint, this is again a matter of information security, i remember how many spears were hacked when russian social networks vkontakte were closed by classmates, where we will listen to music, where we will communicate with relatives in russia, where we will do that , we will do that, absolutely it is obvious that there are two platforms that, well, have

a certain reputation and that these platforms are used quite actively by russians, thank god that there is no russian television, which was also closed at one time in ukraine , access to this russian television. mr. viktor, is the prevention of information security sufficient now, because it is not only about regulation, it is also about explaining to citizens how to... use these platforms, what is the way not to fall into these information sinks, which are enough is actively used against ukraine, these are the same networks of the branch of the russian orthodox church, only in the information space in social networks, well, i myself am subscribed to the most iconic telegram channels in social networks, well, not so on tiktok, but the telegram channels of russian military personnel, well then ... because you have to know the enemy

from the inside, for me, for example, if they close such accounts, then it is bad, where will i look, laugh, laugh with solovyov, with kabeeva, but i know that my work it is harmful there, maybe they said in the soviet union to give milk because it is harmful, yes, but i know about myself that i am a prepared person and i will not fall for their delusions, but about many of my own... than the ukrainian people, i am about such people, just so as not to offend them, i say, naive, yes, in we have a lot of naive people who can be easily deceived, and they also launch pso, there are even, i would say high-quality ones, but in relation to the mobilization there, they are dispersing treason, a traitor, that the majors do not go to war, i saw that they launched in telegram channels, well, it is quite clear that it is expensive. but there are also normal ones,

well, i mean professionally filmed pieces that will have an impact in one way or another, but what i would like to point out is that in order for people not to look for information elsewhere, they must find information in ukraine, and we have several tv channels thrown out of the news lineup, our only marathon is... let's say, an information site that also misinforms citizens, then invites to barbecues, conditionally, yes, and everything works well in the regime, beautiful marquise, what is the best government on earth, it is the government of the servants of the people and zelensky, and if someone doubts the information, he starts looking alternative information, i also say to myself, yes, i am in sumy oblast, well, many people there, who know me, think that i

know more somewhere there, and they say, for example, yes, and there will be an attack, there, they will attack, the russians there will again attack us again, i say there, so what, but one by one... a marathon, as they say, and they say so, who in our time, in our time, believes in a single marathon, well, what about you, here it is, let the state provide citizens with truthful information so that they do not seek alternative information, i.e. do not seek the truth is somewhere else, and then everything will be fine with us, but let's say that it is necessary to monitor and close those... channels there, the thing is that you don't have to watch the sroseyushki naively, but you have to talk and talk with your people, try not to say no as with small children, and as with adults, including telling the truth and including the unpleasant truth, then we can work something out. mr. volodymyr,

if you could advise the current government and give advice on information policy, in particular, what would you advise... or how to consolidate all informational resources, it is meant, and those that, unfortunately, were thrown out of t2 in april 22nd, in particular espresso, the fifth channel and the direct channel, so why not create the right informational message together the opportunity to fight against russian propaganda, and for everyone to understand that... that we are all fighting together, let's say so, instead of one part of the office of the president of ukraine fighting with the spresso tv channel, don't go to us there, for example, we are not an enemy tv channel , is not, we work on the air, we talk about security, we're talking about the future, we

're talking about the present, why, why is there such a division, i'm not talking about these telegram jams, because they write a lot. various things, i don't know if you read about yourself in those rubbish bins, well , they sometimes write about me there, when they mention me, i, too, i know, yes, they mention me and they mention me, yes , and repeatedly, i am also such a character for criticism and for definition in russian propaganda and not only in telegram resources, well, i will tell you so frankly, you said there about the fact that there in the office of the president in marathons, well... some people, who are also on the direct line and so on, also speak very unflatteringly about me, and let's say this, in the style of the same russian scumbags, sometimes in the same terms, it's just justice oradi, sometimes i'm just i don't see the difference, but

i'll say it frankly, and this is exactly the problem for cooperation when it comes to countering enemy propaganda, and even now, i think there are no fundamental disagreements in the marathon of countermeasures. by the way, criticism of the marathon, i am not a viewer, and not only of the marathon, but also of many tv channels, yes, i i read more, well, sometimes i watch videos, no, well , you, you are also a participant in the only telethon, unlike me viktor boberenko, yes, chukchi, yes, no, not a reader, chukchi, yes, yes, as in that joke, yes, but you understand, in fact, in the marathon too. you have normal, true information, there are sources of information, in particular, military intelligence, constant information from military sources, which, by the way, is very objective, so i would not say that it is not true only there, those who

criticize the marathon, they usually don't watch it, but a third, according to some estimates up to 40% watch the marathon, it is also a source of information to counter russian propaganda, i do not see here... the thing between the marathon and the opposition tv channels, but in terms of domestic politics, unfortunately, there are fundamental disagreements, and the attitude on both sides is hostile, and this is the main problem, regarding the telegram and not only the telegram, i will give you a specific example that i was very, let's say , that disappointed, impressed me, i don't remember who told about it about his acquaintance at the front, who looks, for example, a hostile person, a traitor, but a person at the front look, maybe because yes, what is it that i do not trust the marathon, yes, but look at this diana panchenko, if it is so, then it is very bad, and this

is just a challenge for me, not only from the point of view of opposing the telegram there , but at the front they have, i don't know if we have people there... who are engaged in propaganda work, information work precisely at the front with the soldiers, because you have to see who is watching what on youtube. there in the same telegram channels and so on, because this is a very important, responsible social group for all of us, fighters at the front. as for telegram channels, if, for example, in tiktok, now, as i understand it, it is possible to block individual accounts, in particular because there is cooperation with the structures of tiktok, there are certain agreements and, well, there are mechanisms, how you can influence by tele. gram, unfortunately, as far as i have heard, there is a huge problem, we do not have a representative

of this structure of mr. durev, and with whom to cooperate in order to block, for example, these russian accounts, i am also looking, by the way, i am like viktor yes, it's our professional duty, we have to watch some russian resources in order to know what is there, what their mood is, what they think, how they act, but i think we will find a way out, but how to block the list of russian resources, it exists, it must be more actively distributed, we must think , in what way, i don’t know what kind of advertising it should be, so that the broad masses of people know that these are russian or pro-russian propaganda resources, but it is impossible to block completely, unfortunately, even budanov said about this recently, that completely unfortunately , they cannot block, and here's how there are two components here, technically, as i understand it, it is impossible to completely solve the problem, unfortunately. uh, that's why we have to think about how to solve this

problem with counter-propaganda efforts, or at least find some options, well, how can you neutralize the activities of these pro-russian resources, and this applies not only to the telegram channel, i'm saying that there is a similar situation on youtube, i i am not talking about other social networks, there is the same facebook, but tiktok is now one of the main problems... by the way, here is one example: in february, i heard from the former, let's say this, from the former representative of the american government, i will say this, mrs. hilary clinton, who ran for the position of the us president, she said about tiktok that in america they conducted a study, russian propaganda prevails 50 times. accounts that, well, truthfully cover the war in ukraine, 50 times on tiktok, and you

know, now even the republicans have proposed one of the bills in spite of, well , in order to, let's say, put tiktok in america under the control of the american authorities, but we also need to think about it and maybe we should to negotiate with the same fool, i don't know how possible it is, his interview, which he gave just a few days ago, is very alarming, very alarming. and this is an uncontrollable resource that russia can influence, but we cannot influence, that is why we have to decide the very technical thing here, how to neutralize russian propaganda on telegram, here, unfortunately, there are no simple simple tools. well, it must be said that he gave this interview to tucker carson, the same carson who was interviewed by putin, and by the way, today there was information that that when this interview was published, then... there was a link to

telegram on youtube on carson's youtube channel, then in a few hours, carson's account went from 10,000 subscribers in my opinion, or from 2,000 to 100, or so, crazy growth went on, so durov won in this story, carson won in this story, only ukraine just constantly loses now, and as for panchenko, youtube officially... banned her on the territory of ukraine, it was already after that, yes, but before this is, unfortunately, a sad situation, and one more detail, we do not have opposition members channels, we have journalists, i don't know why you consider espresso, for example, an opposition channel, because we are a television channel of ukraine, we work for ukraine, that is, during the war, the main thing for us is the interests of ukraine, viktor, yes, i... in the first year, even at espresso, fate brought me together with maryana bezugla, and, well, we have them quite

often, including poturaev and yevgenia kravchuk, many representatives, now i haven't seen them lately, but say, before a full-scale war, yes, yes, i twice, i already i had the pleasure of communicating with maryana, now i know about, it seems that i have seen everything in this life, i already have her in me. was also on the air before the full-scale invasion, but she was not as keen on it as it is now, i will say so, one more topic, gentlemen, this is the 100 most powerful people in the world, today the cover of time appeared on the cover of julia navalny and 100 people according to her version of this popular and influential publication are identified among ukrainians, the only representative

of ukraine is the head of the office of the president of ukraine yaermak, he is a person who, as he believes. the publication played a central role in ensuring the work of the ukrainian government after the start of a large-scale war. after the full-scale invasion, he took zelensky's message to the world, creating a strong network of friends of ukraine from the west to the global cock, uniting them around issues from sanctions to the environment, time notes. well , actually, 5 years of zelenskyi's presidency, and the person, the most influential person... in ukraine is still yermak. mr. viktor, is this the logical end of the five-year term, because we we understand that zelensky's tenure continues, but it turns out that the most popular and influential person in the world is now yermak, not zelensky. i think this is bad news for yermak, because volodymyr

oleksandrovych can be leveled, and when zelensky starts to level, we see where aristovy is now. yes, where, what happened to zaluzhny, it is bad, bad news for yermak, uh, really, i partially agree with time, in terms of the fact that yermak really has extraordinary powers in ukraine, extraordinary influence , he, uh, on my deep conviction governs not only the parliament, but also the government, and governs through tatarov, well, partially, let's say, not completely, some kind of power bloc, and law enforcement agencies, and has a certain influence, certain, let's not generalize there, that there is total influence, yes, the system, but, first of all, i would not exaggerate, yes, we see what the front was like in the parliament, yes, yarmak showed that he

still controls the parliament by passing the law on mobilization, but... the law the emasculated was accepted, who knows whether he would have passed there in his, when there would have been and demobilization component, and there is something else, some other nuances, and more brutal options regarding the evaders, who means he would be accepted, that is, we cannot now confidently say that irmak controls everything, and i would not start saying, especially that yaermak created a network of friends there, a network of friends in ukraine... created the armed forces of ukraine, civil society, the scientific community, there, figures of culture, sports, arts, oh, not yaermak. actually, ukrainians have created a network of friends, and i always explain to students the difference between

effectiveness and efficiency, yes, effectiveness, well, if you do something, some result. but whether you effectively used all the resources in order to achieve a better result is not a fact, so i claim that there is some result, but if the network of friends of ukraine outside ukraine were moderated by someone other than yervak, someone else, we would have achieved better results, efficiency, i believe, yes... affects the situation in ukraine, but he is a very ineffective manager, and i say, ukraine will win, despite all the actions of the president's office. thank you, mr. victor. sir volodymyr, yermak has actually made a break-neck political career over the past 5 years, that is, from an adviser to the president of ukraine to

the chair of the head of the office of the president of ukraine. and actually this is the peak of his career now, i don't know, maybe yarmak will claim something more in some perspective, but what can a person who manages everything and maybe even president zelensky, and even more so, can claim if she is included in the hundred most influential people in the world, well, look, well , this list is very conditional, very conditional, well there no xi jinping, no biden there, so what? and yermak is, no, well, look, come on, let's not engage in manipulations, and primitive manipulations at that, the main person in ukraine, the most influential person. in ukraine, this is zelenskyi, he has the tools of power and influence on the parliament, the government, and

the executive power, to a large extent, well, this is a consequence of the election results of the 19th year and the one-party presidential majority, but now there are still conditions war, it also affects, and by the way, why did the fair last so long, that is which i can agree is the second most influential of humans. in ukraine, the second most influential, but if you compare, for example, the influence of yermak's predecessor, andrii bohdan, was much greater, bohdan is sure, bohdan tried to lead instead of zelensky, that's why zelensky replaced him, and yarmak, i think that he chose for himself the optimal form of interaction with the president and influence on the authorities, he fulfilled. by the way, he was not an adviser to the president, well, someone called him that, maybe he was an assistant, the position was to the appointment, and this is what his advantage

is now, i tentatively call him that, it is the main button on the control panel of president zelensky, it is very comfortable for the president, the president cannot control everything, yes, he needs people through whom he can carry out direct the management, if petro oleksiyovych, he was engaged in... what did the journalists call it micromanagement, i personally witnessed how it was done many times, yes, he tried to manage everything personally, he was also the head of the presidential administration, and the minister of foreign affairs, he tried to be everything, zelensky manages differently, so he needs a head of office and an assistant like yarmak, yarmak fit into this situation, he is primarily an executor, although for many decisions, personnel. he definitely influences meaningful decisions, in relation to this magazine survey, not a survey, but, let's say, this rating of time magazine, i think that there are

nuances here, but it seems to me that these are also signals from the side, in particular, from the american elites, they are yermak perceived a little differently than him they perceive us, by the way, even here, we will look at the trust ratings, that is , the center's survey. reasonable trust in yermak, you will be surprised, eh, better than poroshenko or yulia tymoshenko, although there has also been a deterioration, as with all state leaders since september of last year, but everything is the same, but this situation is also ambiguous, not everything is so simply and unequivocally, the fair is the personification of all that is bad, just for the opposition, and for part of ukrainian society it is a figure, well, to which they are relative. neutral, western attitude otherwise, they understand, this is one of the key figures in the ukrainian government, a figure who has built personal relationships with various

influential people, represented by yaermak in this magazine from rasmusin, former nato secretary general, together with yarmak, they lead the sanctions working group, sullivan, and he is in fact the second most influential person in the biden administration, the fair with... to be in constant contact, that is, the americans perceive him a little differently than the ukrainian opposition, so we need to pay attention to this, and yes, well, rush, now this is the peak of yermak's career, what will happen next, i wouldn't guess, because yermak is completely tied to zelenskyi, i don't think that there can be any separate career line for yermak , separate from zelenskyi, by the way , you mentioned, i can say one more remark, but a reasonable one. a woman, an intelligent wife, in ukraine they say, as the father says, so the mother will be, thus characterizing ukrainian politics, you can say, as zelensky says,

so yermakovsky will turn out, by the way, you mentioned the truth, you mentioned sociology, sir volodymyr, i opened the polls in february, 27% of ukrainians trust yermak , 61% do not trust, 61% in... there were 33 trusted, and 51% did not trust, and poroshenko, there is a decrease, yes, but poroshenko is bigger, the leaders mistrust, leaders of mistrust, these are the parliamentary leaders of the opposition, well, you see, you say that, in this case, i am not acting as poroshenko's lawyer, i will simply say that when you talk about poroshenko's micromanagement, yermak is also engaged in this micromanagement, not zelenskyi. because when he starts acting as foreign minister and going to those meetings is different here, look, i

agree with you, he is busy. there was a separation of functions, so we had poroshenko as the minister of foreign affairs, unfortunately, klimkin revealed himself to me after he ceased to be a minister, yermak left behind, we have 20 seconds on the air, we have relations with the united states, here for example, yermak doesn't deal with european integration, stefanishyna, kuleba and others deal there, so yermak doesn't deal with everything, thank you, thank you, volodymyr fesenko, viktor boberenko. were guests of our program today, thank you gentlemen, for participating in the program, i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we conduct a survey, we ask you about whether you consider the russian orthodox church to be a terrorist organization, the results of our television survey are 96% yes, 4% no, on youtube we have a ratio of 95% yes , 5% - no, it was the verdict program of serhiy rudenko, i say goodbye to you, i wish you good health, take care of yourself and

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