glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii ordenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory, today in the program. explosions at the dzhankoya airfield. the enemy suffered significant losses in the means of air defense of the crimea. what will demilitarization of the peninsula lead to? looking for additional air defense systems, europe can deliver. and other means from their own arsenals, what did the eu leaders agree on in brussels? critical decision: congress the us is ready to unblock military aid to ukraine, what prompted the trumpists to make concessions? for the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, army general mykola malomuzhe, the military and leaders and the people. by ukrainian mp roman

kostenko and military and political expert daruyte volodymyr tsibulek. however, before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of how ukrainian fighters repelled a russian assault in the verkhokamyanka and zolotarivka area of ​​luhansk region. the defenders destroyed and damaged 10 in two days units of enemy equipment, these are six mtlb and four t-80bv tanks, video combat work was made public in 118.

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phone and vote if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest on the phone, mykola malamush, general of the army of ukraine, head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine in 2005-10. mr. general, i congratulate you. thank you for being you with us today congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine released footage of the night attack on the military airfield in dzhanko, which took place yesterday, and there, as reported by the general staff, four s-400 launchers, an air defense control center, three rls and airspace surveillance equipment were hit. foundation m. what

do these strikes mean, mr. general, is it preparation for the demilitarization of the peninsula, or is it the continuation of the demilitarization of the peninsula and the destruction of those installations that hit peaceful cities of ukraine, in particular, these four s-400 launchers, from which they struck the odesa, zaporizhzhia, kherson and dnipropetrovsk regions, well, first. next time, we are talking about the fact that we are moving to a new tactic of neutralizing the strategic weapons of the russian federation, this is striking targets of missile launchers, airfields that launch missiles or, for example, carry cabs, of course, these are ammunition depots, these are guidance systems , we are already talking about the foundations, and before that there were others accordingly powerful models that ensured targeting of our cities, villages

, infrastructure, and military facilities, so today we will simply expand the geography of strikes, taking into account the fact that we have more and more means, not only storm shed not only respectively sculptius, but already our own drones, our own missiles that can strike specific objects. crimea, in particular, is one of the powerful complex bases for striking our territory, one, a logistics hub, two, respectively, a model preparing reserves and sending them to kherson oblast, zaporizhzhia 3, this is one of the aggressor's logistical routes, so destroy precisely there. all communications are single-strike drones, and this is what they launch every night according to their intentions, we remember from crimea, they constantly fly not only to the south, which is very sensitive, but throughout the territory, including lviv, kyiv, they even

fly to the east , and, of course, strategic missiles, russia praised its s 400 complex, triumphons, even. called this great triumph, that it is not achieved by some systems, neither the western ones, nor even the ukrainian ones, regarding the impression, and their defense system was understood, which is the radar system, the air defense system that protects them, and the triumph itself, nationalized on missiles and on aircraft, and here this triumph appeared in quotation marks, now already take, it is completely destroyed and not one, but four, this will indicate that it is not so super-powerful and very intelligent. weapons of the russians, which we cannot destroy, but a long time ago we recommended to the general staff, as a military sector that really deeply controls the situation, to strike at those objects that are being destroyed today or infrastructure, strikes are carried out on civilian targets, primarily on

our living cities, and of course on military targets, this is the most effective means of preventing strikes on our territory, for example, h400. if there are four of their complexes, they immediately carry them around odesa, mykolaiv, kherson, get to the dnipro and further, further only from the crimea, how can they be neutralized in the air when they fly and fly literally for several minutes to the object of the attack, or, for example, when they have not yet deployed, or are just trying to deploy, here, when they are not yet ready to strike, when we conducted a comprehensive reconnaissance operation, accordingly , the detection of all air defense systems. which provides control, detection of our strike groups, and of course, we carried out strikes on all systems, such as the s-400 on radar systems, on complex global radio intelligence systems, well, of course, on helicopters and the infrastructure that is there, this is

a real strike, we immediately with one operational format, we destroy an entire powerful block of the enemy's aggressive actions, it begins. strategic missile strikes, ending with helicopters, mr. general, in the proposals to vote in the congress of the united states of america, the congressmen should vote on a document that states that out of this 60 billion dollars that the united states of america promises us, part of the money will go on atakams long-range missiles. before, nothing like this, well, at least it was not observed, when there... er, the american side announced where this money would go, and even more so, they did not say or write about the attack missiles, the change happened, and the americans already reported that part of the money will go to these long-range atakams missiles, with the receipt

of these long-range atakams missiles, can we expect further demilitarization of the temporarily occupied crimea, because it is clear that probably... the americans will have restrictions on striking the territory of the russian federation . crimea was and remains ukrainian, but can american weapons be used there anyway? well , first of all, nothing accidental happened, a lot of work was done with the democrats and especially the republicans, no only through the state structures, but precisely through those channels that have an influence directly on trump, on the leadership of congress, especially representatives of the military-industrial complex, who are controlled. and the association of us generals, started by tom sam hopkinson, a four-year general, who clearly set the task of supporting ukraine, especially after the strikes on israel, that this is a single block, russia, iran, this is a threat to the democratic world and a threat to the us, and the us cannot retreat now and

these showdowns between parties, elections, take it to a different level, that is why such a powerful lobby format allowed to see the attacks, after all, it will be voted on. we hope on the 20th, well, it is clear that it will be developed in every direction, what is supplied except the atakams, this is the f16, this is really a guided air bomb. systems, these are other models that we cannot disclose today, but these are high-precision and weapons, high-precision capabilities of radio electronics that create electronic shields against missiles, aircraft and drones in russia, this is the powerful format, which will be supplemented with other projects provided by european countries, purchased on foreign markets, and we do it ourselves today, so the american missile systems will work powerfully in the crimea, the british shadow and skype t french systems, which

will strike at all objects we have identified four powerful airfields once, eight launch centers - two, 12 radar systems of various types , three, this is a powerful one, the crimean kerch between four, this in the complex will solve the issue, well, of course, all the bases, including again and the black sea fleet has not yet been finished, accordingly the fleet itself, which... still remains there to barge in various points, respectively, the fortified districts that they are creating there and bases for the formation of fuel supplies, oil refining, petroleum products, especially for all types of armed forces, this today it will be fought with american, british, french, german, and of course ukrainian means, in the future, as we will be, i think that in the second half of the year it will still be possible to strategically position the counterattacks, and maybe strategy deployment. offensive operations in the south, crimea will be turned into a powerful reserve of the day, because the blocking of the kerch

bridge and the destruction of the main strike groups and resources, which we are talking about, but systematically, will allow us to enter there, and they will not allow us to create a powerful opera. mr. general, yesterday the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe recognized that oil refineries and oil and gas structures are legitimate targets for forces. defense of ukraine, as they are part of the war machine that is now trying to destroy the ukrainian state. the pariah resolution, it is of a recommendatory nature, but can our european partners, in particular germany, provide us with long-range weapons, referring to this recommendation, that if a missile hits an oil refinery on the territory of the russian federation, that these plants... recognized a legitimate goal by the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, and whether or not this is a sufficient

argument, can be a sufficient argument for our western partners? well, the resolution , first of all, really aims at the fact that the position of the countries of the european union and the countries was clear members of the parliamentary assembly of europe that all our strikes on oil refining and other energy facilities are legal, because these systems are basic for striking and waging war. missiles without fuel do not fly, launchers do not move, planes also strike, ships do not float, that is, tanks and bmp batteries do not attack either. that is, this is the main basic model, along with ammunition, which carries out specific, global and tactical strikes on our territory, including terrorist acts of a global level, therefore it could not be otherwise, but germany, in particular. will be clearly guided by these recommendations, will convey to us, for example, tavros, i said no, for now, because in this

situation germany is afraid of a more global confrontation with russia, and especially scholz emphasizes this, that it can cause a global confrontation between germany and by russia, here already by nato and russia, and may lead to systemic threats of nuclear confrontation. i will say that this is scholz's mistake, but i think it will not last long. after transfer. large, so to speak, packages by americans, in first of all, attacked, after we receive ammunition in the format and not only of the old types, but what has been rightly insisted for a long time even today by the leadership of the european union, many representatives, and the supreme representative, and others pointed out that it is necessary to allocate reserves of the ministry of defense, the bundessphere, the pentagon, the ministries of defense of italy, france, those high-precision... weapons and missile systems that exceed russia by orders of magnitude, and these will not be units of them, such as against air defense, as we

say patriot or arisa, there are 3, 5, 7 and so on similar, and many dozens, 40, 50 and so on, in this plan, these are air defense systems, radar systems , one hundred and two, this is another powerful shield, and of course, strike groups of missiles of various types, it will be three, but sholsk, you know when it will go for concessions and can... hand over these long-range missiles when the americans deliver, when the other countries of the european union deliver, all types of the newest types of weapons, and we will go to hell. measures of the strategic operation on the free territory, he will understand that there are no elections in russia, but we really need them to finish a victorious war on the territory of ukraine, and there is a real chance, from then on he will move, he will say, together with others, he is ready to hand over, while he himself is speaking, i do not want to go to a confrontation, well, you know, the format is to bury your head in the sand for now and hold to

some extent such a position, yes i support it, yes i give it, but especially a powerful one, which you give preference to. on the front, systemic, strategic, i will not yet, so as not to stand out in this confrontation with the russian federation. well, by the way, the federal chancellor of germany today announced that ukraine will receive six patriot systems from nato partners. we are waiting for details on what, what and when it will all be, of course. well, in the meantime, i wanted to ask you, mr. general, about the statement of krylo budanov, who said in an interview with the washington post that ukrainian attacks on the territory of the russian federation ... will continue, in particular with the participation of russian volunteers under the leadership of the main intelligence department of the ministry defense of ukraine. i will quote general budanov. we proposed a plan aimed at reducing of russian potential, it covers many aspects, such as the military industry, critical military facilities, their airfields, their command and control points. mr.

general, how do you assess our capabilities? at the expense of russian volunteers, and not only at the expense of russian volunteers, but at the expense of partisans, let's say so, on the territory of the russian federation, to undermine their capabilities and their military power, well, in particular, in the body of russia. well, i think that in this situation we are to some extent left, we they carried out point operations, strikes, they entered belgorod, bryansk region, respectively, other regions, but these were not decisive, so to speak, they are point operations, they gave a chance to possibly reorient a number of primarily representatives of the opposition, that there is an alternative that can work on the territory of russia, but at the moment, when putin is advancing, when the regime still controls all structures, including society, there will be no great successes yet, but they must be carried out, why, because along with successes on the front, just such

operations can initiate prospects radical actions of the opposition. when those who are afraid today will understand that putin and the regime are weak, then the russians will come, but i think that it is necessary to expand, in terms of their activities and in different areas, and in terms of number and efficiency, the landing, perhaps even in a number of regions that allow people to rebel, but this is in the future, now there are no special prospects, putin may be able to deal with them in a few weeks, but more effectively. operations when there really will be prerequisites that in putin's entourage, you understand that he is weak, and the opposition will be ready for active actions, realizing that repressions will no longer be effective, and of course, these military formations, fronts can be the organizers of such combat and operational actions, and this is the reason for the activation of partisans,

militants, agents are not only such information is provided, and who are preparing operations on strategic objects by... differences, oil refineries, radar stations and relative to specific military objects or military contingents, it is necessary to expand the task of development during the war, so that it is not one, two, five facts, hundreds, hundreds just a real factor throughout russia , then there will be disorganization, then there will be a global undermining, not a point, such a small undermining as we see today, and then it works, that is and morally, politically, and to some extent militarily, but also expand operations on the territory of russia. these are the direct tasks of military strategic border intelligence, this should be their main feature, and the second component, which we pay little attention to, well, relatively little, because maybe there were no means, this striking all strategic objects on the territory of russia, we are still doing it, but it is dozens per month, maybe less, it is not yet

noticeable enough, although oil refining is already the first format by 15-25%, we can already see it in various sectors. the supply of oil products was decreasing, and this is a decrease for the armed forces of russia and a decrease for exports abroad, there are already large losses of currency, and this is precisely the undermining of the financing of the military industry and the armed forces of the russian federation in general. mr. general, president zelensky does not rule out that the russians may attack ukrainian infrastructure nuclear power plants, in this connection asks to provide ukraine with modern air defense equipment. let's listen to what zelensky said. russia has already destroyed almost all of our thermal power generation, under the blows of terrorists, dams and hydroelectric power. stations, as well as gas infrastructure. we also see that russia does not give up radiation blackmail and continues to fool around with the security of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. this can be stopped

only by the power of air defense, the specific systems of patriot, iristi or on sams, the systems that are at your disposal. mr. generals, very much in short, the very end of our program, please tell me if the world understands those threats. borne by the russian federation when it plans or may plan strikes on nuclear power plants on the territory of ukraine. from the extensive practice of communicating with all world leaders, including china, not to mention nato countries, they understand when there is a real direct threat, that is, the threat of conducting operations at nuclear power plants, this will be a challenge to the whole world, and even scholz sipinov spoke about that in addition to the threat of nuclear war, to prevent the threat of infliction. blows on nuclear facilities, it is primarily power plants, it is number one, therefore, on this basis, the americans, and the europeans, and the chinese, and the indians and the turks are all consolidating, i think that

putin will definitely not be allowed to do this, everything will be exposed, and he will have no chance to carry out such operations, i will say it bluntly, the reverse of a powerful unification of efforts and the threat of striking back, this will be a deterrent to superpowers. thank you, mr. general, it was mykola malamush, a former army general. head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine. friends, we are live tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages and take part in our voting. today we ask you about whether it is worth cooperating with the russian opposition in ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, vote with the appropriate... numbers, pick up your smartphone or phone and dial 0800 211 381 if you do you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, no 0800 211 382, ​​all

calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence. mr. colonel, i am you. congratulations and thank you for joining our broadcast. i wish you health. well, this story with the mobilization law is a long one, almost six months old and very politicized ended president zelenskyi signed the law on, or the law on adding to the current law, and now starting on may 18, this law will enter into force. a lot of new points, in particular regarding e-e accounting of conscripts, their responsibility, in short, a very extensive law that answers the question of how

ukrainians should be mobilized. how , in your opinion, will this new law affect mobilization and , accordingly, the situation at the front, well, and most importantly , ukrainian society, well , it has already affected ukrainian society, because it and quite negatively, we see that... the very discussion about him causes quite a lot of negativity, ukrainians, well, in the majority often perceive him as someone who is targeted, well, not for the protection of the country, but someone there perceives him as, well, against themselves , and this shows that this draft law was considered poorly communicated and rather late, and all these norms and all these, shall we say, legislatively regulate all this, it was necessary to, well... ideally before the war, as is done in all countries , it is tracked there, it is not here due assessment was given, the issue of mobilization, and if it had already been missed before the war,

then in the first months, then people would not have perceived everything so critically, now after there was a furor with the counteroffensive, when we had two successful counteroffensives of our own, there is no one there does not analyze, see if we can beat the enemy, then people perceive why we are there, there is a regular army there, and those who came, let them already for... finish this war, let them go there and drink coffee there i don't know about crimea, but we understand that our situation is not easy and in order to fight, it is necessary that, let's say, more than a hundred soldiers stand up for the defense of the country, and for this, it is necessary, let's say, to carry out mobilization correctly, i have always advocated the issue of motivation, for this i even registered my draft law there 11012 , he was supported by more than 70 people's... deputies, who also agree that it is necessary to motivate people, first of all, to take the motivated, and not to sweep everyone in a row from the street, whoever they managed

to catch. and this was the mistake made there by those who underestimated, wrongly, let's put it this way, they set priorities, those who are responsible are the government, it is the president, directly, it is the commander-in-chief, he is responsible for mobilization, these should have been the priorities, of course, he is not the one who should specifically deal with this, certain people, but he should have determined priorities, now we are bragging about it and trying to regulate it all, of course, these forms and methods also cause negativity in society, so, let's say, the draft law is there when it is, and it is no longer about mobilization, you are right they said about the military account, which obligates citizens there to register for military registration within two months, and this does not mean that a person will be called up there immediately, you have to come and clarify your data, either at the tsk, the military headquarters, or at the tsnap, at the center for the provision

of administrative services, or. .. create an electronic account and update your data there, after which, let's say, you can move around calmly and understand that you have submitted everything, let's say, all your data. against this background, mr. colonel, two more draft laws were signed by zelensky on the eve of the adoption of this draft law, in particular, regarding the reduction mobilization age from 27 to 20. for 5 years and almost 10 months, this bill or law , already adopted by the verkhovna rada, was in the president's office, zelenskyi did not sign it, then he signed it, which is a violation of the constitution, because it has a 30-week the term, if i am not mistaken, either to bequeath it or to sign it, that is , 10 months, well, the war is going on, it is possible not to implement the constitution, but another interesting bill was passed according

to... to which two categories will now be in conscripts, it is suitable and the unfit, the disabled, the fit, who, well, let's just say, weren't quite healthy people and but weren't recognized as disabled, they're now, well, there's a good chance that 90 there or 80% of those who were partially fit will become fit, is it the right decision from the point of view of you using it. resource, that is , do the armed forces of ukraine already need these limited fit in order to fight, taking into account the medical warnings that have always been there, well, that is, if a person, relatively speaking, had a bad view of childhood itself, like me, for example, i had limited fitness, meaning that i am now being forced to appear by a military medical board, and the likelihood of being fit

is far greater than that i will be unfit. and here, too, the question arises, what, i'm sorry, for a person who can't see very well, why shouldn't this person go to the snipers in the end? difficult question, and well, it was reduced to such simplicity, you know, you're right, fit, unfit, but uh, what you 're saying, there were limited fit, limited fit people, it didn't give them any guarantee that they will not become snipers, i i will tell you what was the gap, for which... i also appealed to the ministry of defense and at the committee , in particular, brought up they look, they say everything, you are of limited suitability, you don’t go to snipers, you go there to help with logistics, i don’t know how to deliver shells, you all went to the unit and whether you are a soldier, you are of limited suitability, you are not sent to combat positions, but when you

get... from the military to the armed forces, there, this norm no longer applies, and any commander, if you are under his command, can appoint you to any position that he, well, interferes with the need, he is not limited by anything, and i was often approached by fighters who were recognized, or there by, let's say, someone says, i can't wear a bulletproof vest, someone was accepted after military medical after being wounded, well, recognized as limited fit, and they were sent to combat units, because well, because... commanders need people, directly they had no restrictions to do so and it was overturned, that's why they made suitable and unsuitable, but here i agree with you, the ministry of defense and, in particular, the ministry of health should clearly write down the norms of who is suitable under which conditions, who is unsuitable, so that we do not have people, this is on this grani, that a person there really cannot wear a bulletproof vest.