good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory today in the program. vendetta for the dnipro. the air force destroyed a russian strategic bomber in the air for the first time. will it prevent missile terror? mobilization of european air defense. scholz found seven free patriot systems in europe. it remains to persuade the owners to give them to ukraine. complaints of good russians. yulia navalna. believes that ukraine underestimates

the russian opposition, will passive resistance help overthrow putin's regime? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine yehor firsyn, journalist roman tsympaluk, and head of the board of the institute of world politics viktor shlinchak. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, there will be a journalism club with participation. at my colleagues kateryna nekrecha and yanina sokolova. however, before we start our big talk, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of the night attack of russian terrorists on donetsk in dnipropetrovsk region. give the aggressor targeted the regional center, kryvyi rih and senelnikivskyi district. unfortunately, seven people died, and another 35 were injured. let's see the consequences of a missile strike. along

the dnieper, hand, hand, hand, hand, hand, everything will be fine, i woke up, i... heard the sound of the siren, i woke up from the explosion, grabbed the cat, put it in the carrier and left, ran out of the house, my apartment is here now behind your back i'm watching how her ten-year-olds put her out, my daughter's arm was almost taken off, some kind of nightmare, i've already lived most of my life, i've never seen such horror.

friends, we are live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there, please vote in our poll that we are conducting today throughout our broadcast, it sounds so: do you consider putin the legitimate president of russia? yes, no, please vote with the appropriate buttons or write your answer option under this video, if

you watch us on tv, grab your smartphone or phone and vote if you think putin is the legitimate president of russia (0800-211-381, not 0800-211-382), all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, yehor firsov, a serviceman of the 109th battalion of the armed forces of ukraine, a sergeant of the shock company. drones, people's deputy of ukraine of previous convocations, mr. sergeant, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, as always i wish everyone good health. thank you, mr. yehor, let's start our conversation with the downing of the tu-22m3 plane, this night one of the planes, a strategic bomber that was striking the territory of ukraine, was shot down, and over the russian territory.

the russians say that it was apparently a technical malfunction, but the representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense andriy yusov is on the air. radio svoboda said that it was a special operation of the main intelligence agency for cooperation with the air force, let's listen to what andriy yusel said. destroyed, an enemy strategic aircraft, for the first time during a combat mission, actually in the air during the period of a full-scale invasion and destroyed during a combat mission, that is, another er... aircraft that was following it was forced to turn around, which means, that a number of missiles were not fired over ukraine, in general the operation was a certain repetition , taking into account, of course, the gurmo operation the downing of the a50 plane, which took

place recently, so the distance this time is even greater, let us remind you that we are talking about a distance of about 300 km from. regardless of the border, this is truly a landmark operation, a landmark result for ukraine. mr. yehor, this operation, which gurmo carried out together with the air force , shows that ukraine is getting more opportunities to hit aircraft at such a distance, or are the ukrainians starting to adapt the weapons they have is to strike such blows that is, from the experience of use. with the weapons that you use, well, obviously, ukrainians turn into kulibins, who try to hit objects with different weapons, even in a completely unusual situation, it would seem, to shoot down such strategic

bombers. in fact, this is exactly how it is, and ukraine does not have enough weapons, but we are starting to experiment, here. this is how, by the way, drones appeared, due to the fact that there was not enough ammunition, due to the fact that there was not enough of a certain amount of artillery, drones began to be used for a different purpose, and so on it was about a year and a half ago, and you can see the role, for example, the very same fpv drones now play a colossal role in this war, and i also think that i do not have certain technologies. with the knowledge there in the field of air defense, but i think that the same story is here, simply due to the experiment of such military creativity, it is very good that we have him, it is very good that there are units that take similar risks, to

things, we don't know how many there were, for example, failed operations, i'm sure what is behind this operation, believe me, colossal work, a huge amount. the time spent by the fighters on this training and well, as we see the result, the result is very, very important for us, because believe me, now the enemy feels very confident and convinced in the air, and we have very few means to, well, let's say so, hit the enemy is in the air, yes, we have patriots, anti- aircraft defense, but this is not enough to force us into such a fight, the story is as follows here, terrorists flew here, beat, bomb peaceful cities, and they were destroyed, this is a very important factor, i wish the participants of this operation success, and let's hope that this will not be

an isolated case, but that it will develop into systemic, systemic actions. general budanov says that this special operation took a long time and the special forces or people serving in gurmo sat in an ambush for a whole week until this plane reached the lines where they could strike and did strike, he says that the distance was 308 km, well, this is quite a serious result, and with what we can congratulate the fighters of gurmo and the air force of ukraine, but you mentioned... that this war is turning into a war of drones, in ukraine even the forces of unmanned systems of the armed forces of ukraine were created, a decree was signed in february, sukharevsky heads these forces of unmanned systems, how do you assess

the beginning of the war and the use of drones, the first thing from the ukrainian side, and the extent to which our enemy is now... making progress in the use of drones, how quickly they adapt, because they probably have a larger resource base, they have more partners who can do it, iran is meant there. china, i don't know, the north, north korea, that is, what do we look like in the sky now with drones, and how are they? look, the situation is as follows, ah, i suggest even going back a little bit to the past, exactly one year ago, i brought my unit the first batch of fpv drones, i was still engaged in tactical medicine, these fpv drones, when i showed them to my command, well, first of all, no one believed in them, but... they said that it was impossible, unreal, they were considered with interest, but they were simply considered,

took it and couldn't believe that it could destroy a tank, but now, recently , a batch of fpv drones came to us in the amount of 300 pieces, and believe me, for these 300 pieces, we will definitely destroy several dozen tanks, drones, self-propelled artillery installations, now we are firing at... at such an installation, which, for example, releases rockets there, well, let's say so, so as not to talk about it widely, that's why everyone understands, and by the way, i will tell about our brigade , that we already overtook the artillery a long, long time ago, and here are our results, they are very, very important, that is, i i don't know there, well , we just destroyed enemy equipment for tens of millions of dollars, so it's very important, it's... a breakthrough, and we, both our unit and, in principle, all the armed forces of ukraine, made

there well, not that step, just a giant leap in progress, but there is one nuance, the nuance is that the enemy is also developing very strongly, and the enemy does some things, well, let's say, even better than us, despite the fact that that russia is under sanctions, but they... supply, they supply drones, directly in terms of drones, china, for example, directly, we do not have such an opportunity to work with china, no company that will buy drones in china simply cannot do it, because there is some internal directive that does not work with ukraine, it is possible to do it through some country in europe and so on, to invent something, here, but we don’t have such an opportunity directly, and i know that in... ours there are a number of factories, large-scale factories for the production of fpv drones and not only that, so i'm

sure right now, well, the ether won't be enough to list what they have there, what we have, the main story is that at some points they are head-on, higher and half-body, if they were ahead of us, they have longer-range drones, such as lancets, supercams, and reconnaissance drones such as hall, what does this mean, it means that in our direction of the armed forces of ukraine , uavs have a huge task - to overtake the enemy technologically, but to make our drones fly further, be more accurate, with a system, there were homing systems and so on. that is, the war, sometimes i get the impression, it does not take place so much on the battlefield. how many in these conditionals engineering rooms, where various

solutions are developed, because we have soldiers, for example, we have everything, there is a drone, it is like this, it can be used there according to such characteristics, and so on, we are hostages of what the engineers offered us, and here , if there will be wider opportunities for the use of drones, it will certainly free our hands, in terms of range, for example, accuracy there and so on, so here it is... the war of the engineering rooms, which is carried out 24 hours a day, it is definitely a straight race here will be this year, whoever wins them will have a significant advantage on the battlefield, very briefly, if possible , regarding the promised million drones in the 24th year, the first quarter is already in ukraine, and well , if we divide it conventionally speaking, at least at some level of numbers... we can say that there is a part those drones that were promised, are they not there, or

are their volunteers delivering them again, that is, what is the situation with this, if it is not a military secret, i will tell you very briefly, not military is a secret, according to my feelings, there will be a million drones, but this does not say anything, who said that a million drones is a lot, if the enemy, for example, will use 5 million drones, well , that's why i would, for example, call for... probably everyone don't get attached to that number, i would call on the government to contract if there is an opportunity, and there is an opportunity, for our manufacturers to produce 2-3 million, and if... that these drones have proven their effectiveness in combat, then there will be a million drones, but this does not mean anything, and besides, i would also pay attention to, well, let's say this, in that the number and quality of these drones, because a million by a million, but if we receive a low-quality one a product, a product that is not used, is not needed, well, it can just be done as a garbage can, such a problem among, let’s

say, the mouth of shock drones, it also exists, all the guys are in... and with them you can make a result, and there are drones, which are simply a technological mess, there is little that can be done with them, and therefore we very much hope and expect from our command high-quality technological solutions, because in them lies the very success of operations when they are carried out. mr. yehor, on april 11, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted a law on amendments to the order. mobilization in ukraine, it is called the mobilization law, although the law on mobilization has been around for a long time, it is simply an introduction to certain mobilization procedures, you are a person who voluntarily joined the armed forces of ukraine, you are a volunteer, you came to the military service, then as a paramedic, then now you are in charge a group that is operators of unmanned aerial vehicles, and actually,

i am interested in your opinion about the content of this law, which... can give the armed forces of ukraine a greater flow of mobilized people and how qualitative are these changes, how much can they significantly affect mobilization? i will say to you, it is probably a completely unpopular thing, but if such a quality and volume of replenishment will be in the armed forces, we are in for... very bad, we are in for a disaster, we have to fight all over the country, we as the military are very supportive of mobilization, that's why that this is our replenishment, because there are a lot of units that have simply finished, and you can make as many drones as you want, as much as you want from western partners of equipment, well

, there is simply no one who will ride on this equipment, and drones are also launched by qualified people. people, and they are not there, there will be someone to run it, if everything continues like this. the authorities must be told honestly and clearly that different technologies can be invented, but one way or another we will come to the fact that everyone will have to fight. we rode for a long time on these volunteers, motivated guys, but believe me, they end physically, a lot. some of which are no longer with us, or they are, but they are wounded with a huge number of contusions, various other wounds, but they are knocked out, and they are still running out of energy, because it is the third year of fighting with such intensity, it is it's also not easy, but you can compare it to just this war, forgive me for such a comparison, but with a football team that

has a huge bench, and that doesn't have any red... cards and no one to replace at all, and now we have such a situation that there are simply no people, and something must be changed urgently, and if we do not change this approach, well, believe me, after a certain time, i think that it will be conditional for six months, it will be very too bad, we all talk about winning, but let's do it anyway sometimes don't resort to propaganda, sometimes talk about opportunities and advice. what should we do or what should we not do so that this defeat does not happen, because, well, such a possibility also simply exists, so that everyone is aware of it. mr. yehor, another important, important element of this law or draft law, which made changes to mobilization, was demobilization. the spokesman of the ministry of defense of ukraine, dmytro lazutkin

, says that in 8 months there will be a new law, that's why 8 months. it is necessary to write such a law, you, you, as a person who wrote laws, which passed laws, can you explain the logic, did this logic make sense to those people who are at the front? the logic is incomprehensible, moreover, as you probably all well understand, the military never, even me, never dig around on the internet and line up some, let's say, logical reaction, signals. very bad, because when they tell the military that they are friends, there will be mobilization, wait, we will soon adopt the rules of the game, and then they say that it is impossible, why are we talking about it at all, it is a signal that on... this is the main thing, cheated signal why did they say then, the first moment, the second moment, after all, we ukrainians love freedom, we give our lives for it, and freedom

is usually a choice, so ukrainians should draw at least a hypothetical choice and say: friends, in three, p' yes, let it be seven years, you will have a choice, the opportunity to undergo demobilization, believe me, when the guys hear ... something like that, it will be additional motivation, it does not mean that they will all run to write a statement of dismissal there, not at all, believe me to me, this is even an overestimated story that they are normal salary, they already have a new profession, many of the ordinary soldiers have already become company members, and sometimes even combatants somewhere, a huge number will remain in the armed forces, but people must be given a choice so that they do not feel like slaves or serfs, which one of them they were driven into... the army and there is no way back , they are waiting for rotation or vacations, while others there are mowing from the army, enjoying themselves in restaurants there and so on, this is actually very

demotivating and it is actually splitting the country, the country, on the contrary, needs to be stitched together, that is why the question demobilization urgently needs to be decided in order to give a clear answer to all the guys, let it be, i say there 5-7 years, but this question needs to be answered and... the people's deputy of ukraine, sbu colonel roman kostenko, who believes that that under the condition of constant rotations, most of the soldiers would return to the front after demobilization, let's listen to what roman kostenko said, i know, i am even more sure, talking with the soldiers, that if there was a term defined there, 36 months, there, yes , 48, and people, a lot b people, maybe gone but i'm sure, well, i don't know from... but according to my feeling, 70-80 after a while there, it's a month or two, would go back, feeling that they rested, because they're motivated, they're

patriotic people who wouldn't be able to stay aside and watch how their country fights, that's why this is precisely the issue of this freedom, which needs to be decided, that they are, well , they are warriors, and not, not to do it, yes, well, that 's roman kostenko's opinion, i hope that... those who are currently fighting in the armed forces of ukraine and are in the east also agree with her, on the southern fronts, and in general in the ukrainian army. mr. yehor, i thank you for participating in the program, this was yehor firsov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live right now, there, please subscribe to our pages on these platforms and take part in our vote, because today we are... we are asking you about the legitimacy of putin, do you think putin is the legitimate president of russia? yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your comment under this video, if you

watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if yes, then 0800 211 381, no, 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with roman'. journalist, former laskor union in moscow. roman, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. sergey, congratulations, i am glad. for those who watch us both on tv and in youtube, you have a unique opportunity to subscribe to the millionaire journalist, a person who has collected 1.200 thousand subscribers on youtube, and become 1 million 2001 subscribers and help grow the youtube channel. to roman tsymbalyuk, roman, let's start with this legitimacy itself, since this week parye passed a resolution on the recognition

of putin's illegitimacy, people's deputy oleksii honcharenko, who was in strasbourg and followed this on espresso, said that the adoption of parye's resolution on putin's illegitimacy is a solution that in will further enable this issue to be promoted on the international arena. let's listen briefly. this is a tool that ukrainian diplomacy, and not only ukrainian, but also all our allies, has now received in order to clamp down on putin, to recognize him as illegitimate, to prevent his diplomatic and foreign policy maneuvers, and how do we use this tool we will use it and what we will achieve with it, well , only life will show, unfortunately, if... there would be such an organ in the world, as putin said together illegitimate, putin disappeared. well, there is no such body, it does not exist, but this decision, it gives us essential tools for... to

further advance the issue of putin's illegitimacy, inadmissibility, inadmissibility of contacts with him. romana, but how does this decision affect and does it affect putin's position in the world and, in particular, in europe? well, it is clear that this is such a declarative thing, and it does not affect the course of the war in any way, and let's decide whether we think it is legitimate. russian maniac or not, the number of missiles they launch towards us will not change from this, and this is an important point, then there is diplomatic work, diplomatic activity and so on, there are, let's say, places to work with, well if to talk about the legitimacy of the russian president, then in general, this is necessary here... why am i pumping the topic

there, because a little time will pass, it is clear that due to the war, we will not have elections on time, and they will pump the topic of zelenskyi's illegitimacy, that too , because such an aspect which, regardless of how how citizens feel about the president, the current president, we understand that as long as there is a war, it is quite problematic to organize a vote, although i have heard different opinions on this matter, so when... they will be something for us, if, or when we will hear something soon about this, then we just need to record that in general, putin has been an impostor since 2008, they have two terms recorded, then they started playing the game in a row, well, this is a word of nonsense, then they rewrote the constitution, and so on so on and so on, well, that is, that is, he is not legitimate, well, for the russians to note

on... well, this is quite an interesting question, the fact that you say that he constantly rewrote russian legislation, but on top of that, he is elected in the temporarily occupied areas of the ukrainian state, and it is clear that this and that and the legitimacy, and the purity of that... even the pseudo-election, it is also called into question, because it turns out that the citizens of ukraine voted for putin, and here for any conscious person, or in europe, or whether in general in the world, well, how, how citizens of another state can elect a president, even if these presidential elections are falsified, but here it's just written in white threads, and you can see that

it's true. then everything and all this legitimacy that will be demonstrated, the so-called legitimacy of the seventh of may in the kremlin, it can in principle be questioned, whether ukrainian diplomacy needs to torpedo our partners more about this legitimacy, because you correctly said that lavrov half a month ago he said that we have a question for legitimacy zelensky, but maybe by may 20-20 we won't have such questions anymore, i don't know what he hinted at, but he constantly talks about zelensky's illegitimacy, and if they are already asking questions about zelensky's legitimacy, then do we not need to more actively promote and promote this thesis that he is illegitimate? i think that everyone should do their job, well, just

the diplomatic corps. which works with the word, well, why not, this is one of the aspects of our foreign policy, i would just turn here attention to what, well, first of all, the elections on ukrainian territory, they have been held since 2014 on the territory of occupied crimea, from that moment on, all these issues with putin's legitimacy are being called into question, i think, in fact, and yes, i agree that diplomats deal with issues of the present summer. and the tsar is not real, we have already found that out, i think that we need to think more about what kind of gift we will give vladimir the maniac putin for the inauguration, it is very interesting that the whole russian propaganda team is up to something, they think that we are may 7 destroy the crimean bridge, i do not know about the plans of our military command.