complex, and putin's past elections, were they globally different or not, now an aggressive full-scale war against ukraine has just been unleashed, this is such a great argument, but it is obvious that the adoption of such a decision and recognition of it as illegitimate simply cuts off some diplomatic opportunities, and therefore also certain economic relationships and opportunities, and probably this is such a decisive factor in whether or not the world recognizes putin as legitimate. or not, thank you, yanina, but it would seem that this is rhetorical question, do you recognize putin as a legitimate president, but still, since we have equal opportunities, equal questions to our guests and to our tv viewers, i will still ask you about the legitimacy of putin. sergey, and you and our viewers, recognize the legitimacy of kim jong-un, the leader. in north

korea, there are no elections there, so in principle there is no legitimacy either, you answered your question, in countries where there is a dictatorial regime, a totalitarian regime, and in countries where there is no chance to compete with anyone from the representatives of the candidates of various political forces in the presidential and parliamentary elections cannot be considered democratically elected heads of state, it seems to me obvious and should be obvious to everyone, i am very sad that when putin, so to speak, became the next codence to hold his position, the leaders of many countries of the world, and the tops of the luminaries of democracy, did not pay as much attention to it as, say, it was, well, for example, during the time when lukashenko entered his next circle, it was accompanied by so about... tests and

probably it fueled just the story of what the whole world was saying the so-called president, the undemocratically elected president, the self-elected president, what can we say about putin in this context, when a person has been in office for more than 20 years, and the last cadences that we are observing, i have since already managed to give birth to two children, who, if the war continues, will go to serve in a few years, and... i don't see an alternative in the possibility, the possibility for someone to participate in the elections, firstly, everyone is dead, who could win something, and secondly, it is totalitarian country, it's either you or no one, so it's definitely not a democratically elected president, so-called president, i think we probably all need to unite in the journalistic world to call it that, but we also consider russia a country ... at the moment, which does not

pretend to correlate any correlations related to the rule of law, democratically elected institutions, politicians, and thought, and all those processes that accompany the rule of law and democracy in any country of the democratic world, therefore for me, sergey, no, i will be more categorical, i think it is time to be categorical already, thank you, her. to you for your position and for your opinion, let's talk about our president, since russian propagandists are now trying to question his legitimacy after may 20, 2024, they say that the term of his presidential term is coming to an end, of course no one in ukraine will pay attention to this, there is a war going on, we all understand that president

zelenskyi will be the president of ukraine until the next elections, and obviously, here there are not even two different opinions. exactly 5 years ago, on april 19, 2019 , a debate took place at the olympic stadium with the participation of zelenskyi and poroshenko. two days later , the second round of presidential elections took place, in which zelenskyi won. i think that this is a great reason to take stock of these five years of president zelenskyi, they passed rather quickly, maybe it is all connected with the rather dramatic events of the last two years, and yet, like you, my dear colleagues, you are evaluating 5 years of the presidency zelensky, or katya, he coped with... his main role in the life of the president

of ukraine, the main role in life, and an important one, well, there were a lot of transformations during these five years. i even sometimes, when footage comes across there a few weeks, a week before the full-scale invasion, and here is the zelensky that we see in two years, both visually, in his rhetoric, in his confidence, well, we are all these changes we can see, certain transformations have also been experienced by a part of society, which also, perhaps 5 years ago, looked at that situation in the same way, in to which ukraine found itself and looked at russian aggression in a different way, and two years ago i realized again... somehow that's all there, probably this main transformation happened with the ukrainian president two years ago, we saw it, i'm here, well, political scientists will judge and give their evaluations, from an informational point of view, as a journalist, i am interested in

the following: how much his rhetoric on some issues changes, whether he becomes less emotional or not, whether he is more restrained in communicating with the press there, whether he gives more interviews i think so especially in these two years, when there is a lack of such communication, it seems to be there, because every day there are video messages, for example, there are many interviews with western media, but maybe there are press conferences, they do not happen so often and such rhetoric is also quite different, but it seems to me that there is a lack of communication with ukrainian journalists, not within the framework of the telethon, but with journalists. from different editorial offices that could ask, well, at least, i don’t know, some questions once a quarter, maybe a few journalists would gather there, but in order for the conversations to be more in-depth, because western journalists are interested in one thing, when there are some big global meetings, several hundred journalists are interested in something else, they ask those questions, of course, which also concern society, but if there were more of

this kind of communication with by ukrainian journalists, more in-depth, it would probably give me more answers to some questions there, why politics is conducted in this way... or in a different way, in general, you need to look at the ratings and probably, including how ukrainians feel this situation, well, the ratings say that zelenskyi has probably succeeded, and his trust in him is quite high both now and in this and in difficult political times in ukraine, and this is probably such a major assessment, yanina , you publicly appealed to zelensky several times, i remember... in march 2019, you quite sharply invited volodymyr oleksandrovich to a discussion, he at least once in october, in my opinion, when this conflict was in gold with volunteers , who were at the front and

protested against the disbandment of russian and ukrainian troops, he at least once gave an answer outside the limits of publicity. do you still have all these questions that you had, and in general, how are you, how has your attitude towards zelensky changed over the past five years? look, well, first of all, regarding the first question, serhiy, volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi did not give a single uncomfortable interview during his entire term of office, not a single one, and this was a trend that began even during his pre-election entourage of zelenskyi, which allowed him to give several interviews of loyal to him, so-called journalists, well, there is a big interview with gordon, clearly complimentary, which would not harm the numbers, on the contrary, these numbers increased, the rating was already

quite high before the elections, heated by the series servant of the people , film and tv channel 1+1, rotation, recognition, trust, ability to give positive. these are fairly correct scripted rhetoric that every ukrainian, probably you and i, including globally, would like to put into practice regarding justice, the obligations of people's deputies, the president, anti-corruption laws, the rule of law, well , all that, actually, was voiced in such a simple language in this series, it was all actually correct, that's why many people voted, but it happened the way it happened, i think. had no idea that he would have to be the president of a full-scale warring country that was attacked by a full-scale russian federation, and over the years he has really undergone some changes, there was once a very valid phrase that every president of ukraine sooner or later, depending

from his personal qualities, should become a nationalist, and i had such hopes in 2022 and the beginning of 2000... 23rd, but at the moment, given the actions that do not take place by listening to the opinion of civil society, of anti-corruption journalists, western...partners result in the fact that this opinion has returned to what it was in 2018/19, when the rumors first started, and then when zelensky was struggling with the legitimacy or illegitimacy of whether he would lose his powers after may 20, 2024, volodymyr zelenskyi, we discussed this issue on my youtube with former constitutional judges. live on the air, the constitution, you must understand, friends, is higher than the law on martial law, that is, there is a martial

law regime, and it actually dictates to us at the moment that we cannot hold elections, however, there is a constitution that obliges it is necessary for us to elect a new head of state, due to the fact that his term has already been suspended, such an opinion was heard, however, i will tell you frankly, even from the point of view of the voting process, if he was. and this norm is prescribed in the military law state, if suddenly such a decision was made and many people said: listen, look at our country in the 14th year, and the election of this president took place at a time when we had already killed in a state of war, and not on a full scale, but the war, voted, these are completely different stories, many soldiers are now in the trenches, many people have left the country, to organize all this, ab... in a democratic way, the elections were now, in my opinion, conducted properly, it is impossible,

unfortunately, therefore i would very much like elections, just like, probably, the lion's share of ours subscribers and viewers, however, this cannot be done now, and i think that it will be in russia's hands if there are any political cataclysms, you can imagine this pre-election process, this whole wave of black pr, commissioned articles. and a television marathon that will completely forget about the war and will not feed us with good news, but will feed us even more with volodymyr oleksandrovich, so i think that at the moment there is no question, let's end the war, let's win it, and then we will ask everyone who these are to this one war among the political leadership was negatively involved, our fathers are waiting for the end. war, well, i think everything will become clear there with the next president, including who he will be, and regarding the numbers,

my colleague said, in fact, the numbers really do not show a global decline in the rating, well, global is a decline and a global rating, but nevertheless, even that person who is not currently swamping, no, well, if he does not declare a desire, an intention to swamp even in fantasy, but i am now talking about... valery zaluzhny, he is ahead of zelensky in all possible variations, tours, and therefore this suggests that the numbers are still falling and the television marathon does not help this. i will sum up about the five years of the presidency, we should probably talk more about it on our airwaves, but there were a number of positive things, in my opinion, related to the change in certain directions of the soviet system and... and old politicians, political approaches that accompanied certain

ministries, we have new ministries, we have become an even more digital country, changes have also taken place in the army, be that as it may, and even the dismissal of the meritorious, this a negative factor, however, believe me, the young teams are 25 years old, who are now in our army, and literally today there was an interview with one of... with one of the sergeants, the senior sergeant of the 47th uav company, then we that's exactly what was discussed, 25-30 years, the average age of their commanders in the brigade, and i hear this everywhere, and it's cool, the army is also changing and becoming younger, and soviet atavistic things are leaving the army, it's about the reform of the army, here regarding anti-corruption and judicial reform, they simply failed. fallen into rubble, and this lacks the political will, the personal

will of president zelenskyi and his entourage, and andriy yermak is on the list of the 100 most influential people of 2024, in my opinion, as a flag of zelenskyi's ineffectiveness and spinelessness as a person who makes changes in the country, let's talk separately. we will talk separately, you mentioned the numbers, the trust rating, you, kateryna, mentioned it, let's look at the ratings, the results, or rather the survey. conducted by the razumkov center, the level of public trust in the president of ukraine has decreased significantly recently. in march on the 24th, it was 59%, although it was 64% back in january. a year ago , 83% of respondents declared their trust in the president, that is, in

principle, we have a serious drop in the rating of or trust in president zelensky. similar data were recently published by the rating sociological group, the level of approval of the activity of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi decreased to 63%, although it was 91% back in february 23rd, and this is actually, as i said, evidenced by the results of the survey of the rating sociological group, well of course , rating by rating, and even more so during the war it is possible to argue to what extent this rating... covers the reference groups that were included in this sociological survey, but since we are remembering the fifth anniversary of this battle of the pre-election battle between zelensky and poroshenko at the olympic stadium, i want to remind you that then zelensky put

poroshenko 10 questions, i think that now, in principle, zelensky himself should answer them. to address them very briefly, i will remind you what zelensky asked poroshenko: first, why is no one sitting for ilovaisk and debaltseve? second, why 6 years later was, why six years later we still do not know about the murders on the maidan? third, would you like to take part in the experiment and try to live on a pension of uah 1,500 at least for a month. fourth: how much money do you still need to take from the country's budget to feed yourself. fifth, why are supporters of yanukovych not punished? sixth: why do all your people have both hands, meaning they steal and why didn't he cut off their hands? seventh: volunteer patriots are in prison because they are a threat to you. eighth: do you remember such a word as lustration? ninth: what is your share of illegal amber mining. tenth: if you were to stand trial, would you say

it was revenge or political persecution? well, actually, it's not surprising, but probably half of the questions. er, candidate zelenskyi could ask president zelenskyi, and probably he would not find answers to these questions, yanina already mentioned that the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yermak became the only ukrainian to be included in the hundred most influential people in the world , on the cover there yuliya navalna, within this rating, andriy yermak, the publication calls... a person who played a central role in ensuring the work of the ukrainian government after the start of a large-scale war, after a full-scale invasion, he carried zelensky's message to the world, creating a strong network of friends of ukraine from the west to of the global south, uniting them around issues from sanctions to the environment - the publication notes. katerina, a lot

is said about yermak about how and in what status he is in general. by the state and about its powers, about his omnipotence and how he is one of the leaders of the state, despite the fact that he did not run an election campaign, no one voted for him, but it so happened that he manages the office of the president of ukraine and is one of the central figures, and now in general, i think that volodymyr zelensky should be stressed, because he is not in the ranking of the hundred most influential world leaders. according to the magazine, and there is a yermak, what does this mean? and yermak is there, and here you can joke that at least yermak is on this list, he really is an influential person, unlike ms. navalny, which is such a big question, by the way, about her, well, i talked to several of my journalists there, colleagues who are russian citizens, of course, they work there not in russia and

i respect their work, so i was wondering if they really see there in yulia... navalny, well , some kind of leader and how do they see her in general, well, of course, this is not only for ukrainians, it is probably a shock, such a cover and such influence is revealed, but what about mr. yermak, well, i addressed podolyak live on the air with the fact that rfe/rl has a request at the interview with zelenskyi and yarmak, and dasha zarivnaya, also during the interview i remarked that i would like to talk with mr. yarmak, and... he has , in addition to the interview with mosiychuk, or conversations , i don't know if it's an interview, it's the right name, there's nothing, there are a lot of questions, and i want to, once again, return to the fact that these conversations are uncomfortable. also not much , really, but still, it is probably a manifestation of a certain power and a certain status to have an uncomfortable conversation with journalists,

whom you definitely cannot influence there, and this a very necessary conversation, it is especially possible that the reason will be to get into this such a respectable rating, and in fact, probably, well, we all see it from various facts that the influence is so large-scale. i wonder if this will become a certain trigger, as a trigger, as you noted, for president zelenskyi, because andriy yermak is one of the several main managers of the president whom he trusts, he really has a lot of diplomatic issues, in particular, formally zero responsibility, and this can and does confuse many in ukraine, but how all these mechanisms take place, and who does he see himself in this in general. there are currently in charge of some issues and what is his relationship to this, i would like to ask him directly as well, so again, maybe he will come out, after all, he will agree

to give an interview to at least a few ukrainian journalists there, from several publications there , who will be able to ask him good questions. thank you, katerina, yanina, how do you perceive yermak's role in the fate, in the modern fate of zelenskyi, well... you could joke, say that the era of zelenskyi is coming to an end, the era of yermak begins, although for me both yermak and zelensky, well, they are political partners in this situation, they rule the state, a duo, this is a duo that rules the state, and i remember this anecdote that was constantly used during the presidency of kuchma, eh , who kuchma works for, under tabachnik, he is the president. of ukraine under the head or administration of president tabachenko, then tabachnyk was at the top, in the first year of kuchma's presidency in 1994, he demonstrated

his omnipotence, as yarmak is now demonstrating. yermak is the number one person in the country decision-making in the judicial sector, the sector, the law enforcement sector and often in the diploma. diplomatic sector, we have more than once conducted an investigation where we talked about disruptions in operations related to the intelligence option, and with the option of our soldiers working in the ato zone, and then the oos, and i know for sure that certain decisions that would never were made. during the tenure of the previous government, there were and were pushed during the tenure of this government, in particular, these peaceful

desires to move away from the demarcation line when it was necessary to build factories and try to make a bridgehead, which, in view of our efforts and the help of partners, even then, to build fortifications and... defend not only avdiivka, where the right sector and vovki davinci stood firm, but also kyiv, near bucha, irpin, chernobyl station and all the rest, all this was not done, and why i mentioned it, because the person who is now on your screens is one of those bridges, bridges of negotiations with the russian side, on which, in my opinion, was held . .. little hope of volodymyr zelenskyi and the hope that the war would be ended and that an agreement could be reached, somewhere in the middle, this was a quote now, it was from the early days of his

election campaign, and it lasted quite a long time, i think, right up until february, february 22, 2024 , when hopes, when promises and convictions... on the part of the representatives of the negotiation group, which included andriy yarmak all the time, given his background, who does not know, read about him and his family, and filled in the fact that everything was agreed, and there will be no war, the war has happened, in my opinion, this a sign of treason, and part of the people involved in persuading both the army and themselves, and above all, in my opinion, the people should... sit down, and they will sit down, they will sit down, you will see if they escape not far, so, in my opinion , this is a person, unfortunately, at the moment,

in my opinion, very... and very dangerous and the form in which andriy yermak is currently acting is a very, in my opinion, subtle psychological form of applying methods to volodymyr oleksandrovich , which are such negative shortcomings of his personality, therefore what is in the room, i will say now, if metaphorically, there must be an adult in the room, and if you find this adult who gives you the opportunity to have the right of primacy, but makes many decisions that you are either not capable of, or do not know which to make, or trust to him and then you voice it as your own, then you keep him close, and a plus, when that adult knows about all your problems and defeats and mistakes, which , among other things, cost the lives of many people

who did not have time... did not have time to protect themselves and their children, during, during the beginning of the event of russian troops to the territory, in particular the kyiv region, then believe me, you will hold on to him even more tightly, because otherwise you are already a political corpse, and how can you lead a boat in which there is an adult who supported you all this way, and together with you, i have a lot to apologize for. therefore , podolyak, by the way, is the same person close to yermak who was brought by him, and summarizing, i will tell you about a trend that will tell you a lot about a lot, in the end of the answer to this question, serhiy. note, over the past two years, most personnel changes of the most influential people in our country, were made considering how they came to this or that position. all these people were not

led by the ermak. and were not controlled by yermak. i will tell you more, there are some people who could not help but talk with the head of the president's office on issues of national security and defense that are important for the country, purely on clerical, clerical, managerial matters. why? well, because he just had them in mind, and they were supposed to sit and wait for him in the waiting room, not deal with those things. important combatant country, which these affairs are entrusted to them, that is why now there are very few left who were not appointed by yarmak, there is also the question of who is the boss in this country and on whom the making of certain decisions depends, i think, my short, rather abstract metaphorical the speech is clear to you, well, we remember what happened during wagnergate, when burba came to

the president's office and received him there. i am a fair man, that is, they did not allow zelensky, as i understand it, and i accepted these reports, and then, then this whole story with the surrender of the wagnerites happened in belarus, when this entire special operation was thwarted, we know that in principle there is no final point in this story, but in the context of what wagner then did on the territory of ukraine during the large-scale invasion, it is worth... it would still be worth putting full stop in this story, because there are many questions and no answers, we see, sergey, i can say a few words about the fact that you are now beyond all doubt, because you were one of those journalists who published this information about the wagmas, look, why am i sergey, thank you for actually bringing up this topic, because now the trials of the hero, in my opinion , of ukraine, roman chervinskyi, are going on, i know that espressoo also broadcasts and covers these trials,

but recently. or the court in kropyvnytskyi. look, the story called wagner gate was a litmus test for me in general for the person whose name is andriy yermak. we were not the only ones who covered. we were the holders of these documents, secret, in which it was written in black and white that the special operation was closed by the decision of the higher political the command of the country, and this decision was canceled by andriy yarmak, who gave this instruction in view of the true statements of mr. borba, the former head of intelligence, so i held these papers in my hands and read the entire description before making this decision about the description of a lightning, lightning operation , which seems to me, well, over the last 10 years, the world...