gone, it will be considered and this decision will be made, another thing is that we need time to prepare a quality replacement, you cannot replace quality with low-quality, that is, it is a certain period to prepare reconciliation units and then replace with those guys who from recaptured for 36 months, and already more, of course, so that these people could rest for a certain time. what, how will the formula be constructed, whether 3624, or 3612 or maybe in some other way, i don't know, it must be counted, i think that's exactly what it is for and asked the commander-in-chief to postpone this issue, so that it would be possible to carry out qualitative defense operations now, and not to question the motivation of people who are already there. at the front, for which i

am very grateful to every soldier, and their work, their contribution for more than 39 months, the facts or 27 months, it is invaluable, i think that ukrainian society will find an opportunity to thank the soldiers for this contribution, definitely, here with you absolutely agree that we should be grateful to our soldiers and help them, as much as possible, which is what we do every day. you also mentioned motivational norms, right? motivation, it must be there, because we see that certain such processes, disputes, i would say, and perhaps even the reluctance of some part of society to join the defense forces, the armed forces of ukraine, are taking place in society. in your opinion, the motivational norms in this draft law. there is, do you need to add

some more, here you, as, by the way, a former, including a legislator, i think in this case you could advise the current legislators as well, and in principle, i should also give my assessment of these motivational norms, which in my opinion are very important, well, the main motivation, i will explain to you as a military man, because now what is happening at the front is the most important for the state and for society in general. my position, as a military officer, is that the main tools of motivation are to let people understand where they are going, what knowledge, skills, abilities they have, should have, that they receive in order to be effective, believe me, it is not a salary, the main motivator, the main motivator is availability a high-quality commander, high-quality training, effective weapons for the performance of this or that task, therefore... that's why if we wrote it

into law, it would be motivation, maybe the motivation could be some mandatory, unconditional rest period, that is, i as a commander plan operations for a certain period and have to leave people there for a week or two, i don't know how it should be right, but they should be able to have a rest after a long, active combat engagement, whether on the ground. whether in the air or when held other military operations, but the main motivator is an understanding of the future, in my opinion, and the formation of a volunteer army, these volunteer tools, when , for example, today the mobilization system is built in such a way that if i even convince you personally to come to my unit, it is not a fact , that i can ensure this, that is , you will go and get the documents at the tsk. and after

training at the training center you will be distributed as they want it, the main personnel office, the personnel centers, anyone, but not the commander who wants you invited me to serve, so this is a big problem, i am in favor of returning these tools of the cossack army, the volunteer army, to the body of the document, allowing us, as commanders to invite, so it was, by the way, at the beginning. in a full-scale war in february of the 24th, 22nd year, so why can't it be done now, i don't understand, we ourselves are ready to teach people, we ourselves are ready to teach, if we lack something, for example, we have there are questions about engineering training, we use training centers, we we send people there, they undergo additional training with us, because we cannot physically give them such a quality of training? why

they don't trust us in this matter, i don't really understand why the sending of personnel bodies in the superstructure of these is also unclear, electronic form. of military accounting allows to move a serviceman effectively, timely and without the possibility of deception from all sides, if i, as a commander , invite him, then the part from which i take him cannot but let him go, and this would immediately be a definition of the effectiveness of commanders, if from a lot of people are going to the commander, accordingly, something is not right there, if a person has 100% equipment and people... they ask him to go to a unit, to him to a military unit, accordingly, this person is effective, he can and is capable of performing the military tasks of combat defeat effectively, why do we apostatize from this, i do not understand why,

when building or protecting democracy, we prioritize undemocratic ways of attracting people to the army, it seems to me that we need to return to this. allow as on at the beginning of the war, it was customary to take people to yourself, and this was also an effective way of conducting additional mobilization. i don't understand why it should be abandoned. once again, i will say that an effective tool for accounting should be an electronic database, not the sending of personnel authorities. by the way , about the internal capabilities of the armed forces themselves, from conducting such an internal one. mobilization in the armed forces, in each part, a large one, there are personnel units, there are formation, formation units, and for example, we could, as the armed forces, say that there are such and such number, we, there since june 1, refuse

men who are subject to mobilization in order to be assigned to these units, in the military unit, in the personnel unit, in the rear. and in this way, we could carry out internal rotation, why it is not carried out, it is not clear, and the commander-in-chief supports it, i think that we will definitely return to this issue internally, and we have such internal reserves, and we could have these people to prepare, teach and send to the relevant combat units, before approval actually for'. of the bill on mobilization, the commander of the united forces, the armed forces of ukraine, lieutenant general yuriy sodol, stated that there is a certain problem with the number of personnel in our ukrainian units, the armed forces

of ukraine, and actually he spoke about the fact that in fact the occupiers have many times, relatively speaking, a larger number. of the same personnel, do you now confirm this information, can we really say that we currently have an insufficient number of people, especially in certain positions in the army, and in general, to what extent this problem can be solved or not solved in the coming months, this is especially important in the context of the fact that the occupiers... according to all the information that is coming in now, they are preparing the next stage of the so-called offensive, yes mobilization, here is your opinion, here it really is is the problem and what should we do, is there any possibility to fix it in the next months? well, first of all, i

had the honor of serving with yuri ivanovich sodol in the marines, an absolutely insightful general who cares about the individual. composition, i think his assessment of the situation is true, taking into account the objective circumstances of both the ukrainian mobilization and the russian mobilization, therefore i will not compare, i will not be responsible for quantitative indicators, but the fact that there is an advantage, of course, it exists for objective reasons, now what is our answer, we again we try to respond linearly by introducing exactly the same tools that russia is introducing, and it does not work like that, and if we continue to insist on linear mobilization, effectively, not effectively, well, it will not work, we, in fact, the current law on mobilization

no different from the tools that will be involved, well, now with the adopted law, to conduct an inspection. disabled people or the disability that people received in the period from february 24, 22 to now, it is unlikely that this is such a substantial strengthening of weapons. forces, therefore, taking into account the fact that it does not work linearly, it is necessary to make non-linear decisions, such as the creation of volunteer units and the authority of commanders to attract people, technical re-equipment, that is, technical mobilization, i think that these two main directions could change the situation on the battlefield to the root of the the appearance of an air component in the ukrainian army. this would allow us to say not only that we can stabilize the front

on today's line, but also the possibility of considering some counteroffensive operations in the future, so the main task now is to explain to ukrainian society why we refused demobilization right in this law, and why this issue must be considered as soon as possible in the following... draft laws, and how to voluntarily convince people to go get appropriate qualifications and help directly participation in the armed forces or other military formations of the defense forces to take part in the defense of the state, there are a number of issues that have already been resolved, in particular regarding persons convicted of minor crimes, i believe that this is the right step, er... there are a number of other issues regarding people who have left, including illegally

crossing the state border, i think that the need for such an open offer from the state for these people to return to ukraine, if they want to protect it, and such a bill will be adopted in the near future or with initiative of the supreme commander-in-chief or on the initiative of the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. so we have already approached the issues of the coming months, yes, the issues of a possible offensive of the occupiers. bild, financial times, write very actively, in general the foreign press is very active now. conventional types has been very yellow lately, so it is very, very active, and everyone and everyone in ukraine today also picks up on this information and reproduces it. all tv channels, all internet media and so on and so on.

as much as it is possible, it is as much as it is possible such actions of the occupiers are closer to the summer in the summer, by the way, kyrylo budanov, the head of ukrainian intelligence, also spoke about this, about the fact that it is quite probable that in may, june, july, another offensive is possible in several directions, that's how far you... with from your point of view, professional, professional, do you see such a possibility, and what would ukraine need to do in order to make such actions of the occupiers impossible? well, i walk the land from kupyansk to beryslav and kherson, but both budanov and the commander-in-chief definitely have more intelligence, and in fact i only know ukrainian side and... in the ukrainian army, so i am sure that we will be ready for any

development, given the fact that the preparation of reserves, and western support, and ukrainian weapons manufacturers, we are able, at least in the ground component, already now to change the situation, i say once again, i am deep in the topic of ground-based automated systems, how they are used, and the experience of the da vinci wolves and other units prove that this is an effective means of defeating the enemy, there is a whole series of developments in unmanned aerial vehicles, which convince me that this is one of the tools, one of the components of the weapon of victory, but the main component that will ensure and in... enable, let's say, an effective offensive of the enemy, is the air

component, so without the air component, unfortunately, we are not we can talk about the stability of the front, today all that you see from open sources of information about the success, conditional, of the destruction of ukrainian cities and enemy forces, this is the air component, this is... aerial bombs, this is the use of missiles, including strategic aviation , ago given that both our intelligence and units. security services and intelligence units of the combined military have all the available information, i think that in the near future we will solve this issue in a non-linear way, we have the tools for this, including long -range unmanned aerial vehicles, use, you saw it in the open sources of information, in the near future

you will see even more cotton, even more impressive. russian objects, including those related to the air component of the enemy troops therefore, with the expectation of the f-16, we will carry out our work, complete what we have started, regarding the destruction of the air force of the russian federation. the last three weeks, they are so difficult for ukrainian society and for ukrainian air defense, not here. i think no one argues for and, accordingly, for energy, respectively, for ordinary ordinary people who see it all, who observe it all. actually, mr. pavle, this can be considered an element of intimidation or an element of preparation for some kind of offensive

on the part of the occupiers, yes, after all, ukrainian society, unfortunately, we... see, quite, quite so during these weeks , it has become disjointed in this regard, and we must work to ensure that society is united and understands , what is this war, what is this, what is this war, what is this enemy, who will continue to do this, what, what do we have in this case, what do we have to oppose in this case, can we oppose something in the coming weeks, if the occupier.. . will continue to attack our energy industry and eventually any ukrainian objects, which has become very time-consuming. a phenomenon during the last two, three or four weeks, i would like to say that the same should be done with moscow and peter, in fact it is so, but we energy and the destruction

of the energy infrastructure is definitely a unifying factor for ukrainian society, how the state and... the government institutions will react to this, i think they will react effectively, the decentralization of energy supply is not only a minus, but also a plus, maybe we will see some small energy or nuclear reactors, like kondyu, the canadians had projects there or something else , we don't we will finally build two more blocks of khmelnytska, which will again be from above, yes, which may be affected... not the next day, but we will see some systems of decentralization, around these projects, and the state and society can unite, this there may be underground facilities that will be adequately protected in terms of the fact that these strikes will continue, i think yes, they will continue, and the task of our air force and

indeed of society as a whole to minimize the losses from such strikes, i think that above that , both the air force and the defense forces in general of ukraine are working right now, while we are talking with you in this studio, and the means, i say once again, to work in advance, on prejudice, such as the destruction of the aviation component, infrastructure, the production of missiles, other tools, the production of missiles, it is already in the plans , i'm 100% sure, even though i don't know ukrainian. of the ukrainian military leadership, so we will see all this in the coming months, we are ready for the development of such events, we are planning this asymmetrical response and will carry out such works on the destruction of infrastructure and the air component of the armed forces, of course , it would calm us down and simplify our work,

the presence of an aviation air component closer. time, in particular with the appearance of the f-16 and corresponding missiles, which can cause irreparable losses to invaders, and of course, we need air defense, so we need patriot systems, both the military and politicians are talking about this, and by the way, believe me cheaper systems, and we already use them, and there are uni... ukrainian developments, in particular regarding the modernization of air-launched missiles, we already have them in ourselves, and we modernized the missiles and... mr. pavle, thank you for your analysis, for your thoughts, for your words, i hope that our viewers, and the authorities, and our viewers took away

some information, some analysis. pavlo kishkar, an officer of the armed forces of ukraine, chief of staff, deputy battalion commander, people's deputy of the previous convocation, was in the espress program. interview, well, our viewers, i hope, will stay with the espresso tv channel, and we will meet with you in a week in the same program. thank you, goodbye. welcome to the espresso channel. today in our war and weapons programme, we will be talking about the battle for the skies, air dominance and how to achieve it for our air

force and defense forces in general. and here, of course, the first steps are to receive f-16 aircraft from our partners. great hopes are placed on these fighters, but it should be understood that these aircraft in a limited number will not become something like this... a universal silver bullet, however, in a certain way , the f-16 will be able to change the rules of the game in the sky over ukraine. at the same time, by the way, the minister of foreign affairs denmark recently claimed that the first six f-16s he said would be delivered this summer would likely be the first f-16s to be used for air defense missions. and the prime minister of belgium said the other day that ukraine can... get the first plane by the summer of this year, which is quite positive, and while we are waiting for fighters, new opportunities for the defense forces

are being added by ukrainian unmanned aviation complexes, as they develop, as they adapt to the new requirements of the military, so all the details about the f-16 fighters and about we will find out about domestic drones in the next issue of our program war and weapons with ukrainian. aviation experts and drone developers. my name is serhii sgurets, i am the director of the defense express information and consulting company, which is currently working together with the espresso channel to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of the military and the defense-industrial complex. and now we are joined by valery romanenko, an aviation expert, a leading researcher of sciences. mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear the channel on the air espresso. to each other, have a good day. of course. we have a basic topic of f-16s, but an even more basic topic is air dominance, and i can't help but start with the first question, which is about the fact that today the commander of the air force

said that it was possible to shoot down this russian tu-22m3 bomber , which was used by russia for the attack. what is your reaction, can we assume that this carcass was brought down, perhaps by a complex of 200, how did you manage to shoot down the russian a50 before that? well, for now, i'm waiting for more detailed messages, so to speak, they say really shot down the s-200, in terms of range, it matches, in general, these bombers launch kh-22 missiles, in which the range there is approximately 400, 50 to 500 km, yes, accordingly, they are suitable for striking, well, not only.. . still near-frontline cities, fly somewhere deep, they can come closer to our territory and thus find themselves in the range of our long-range

complexes, well, i think that, well, as far as i know, before the start of the war, even before the invasion of one s-200 division was restored to our armed forces, and maybe we got additional missiles or additional launchers, or in general whole complexes that... were in service with poland and bulgaria, remained in service with poland and bulgaria. well, hopefully this trend will continue, it will scare the enemies. and now let's move on to the subject of the f-16. can you tell us now the general numbers of quantities that we are getting from our partners and the expected specifications of these aircraft, what is the best we can hope for. in those realities, given those previous promises from our partners? it is difficult to say anything here, because everything is so closed to us, that is, it is closed from any

media coverage, that we can only make some assumptions, well, the first assumption is that we will receive the planes in such a condition as they were, say, well, in the armed forces of, let's say, denmark, denmark and norway, yes, these planes were, well, let's say, a little not modern, they correspond to the block 50-52 standard, which is now the main plane in the... aviation of the united states states, united states air force, but there are 606 radar stations, there is a second modification or a third modification with a range of 110 km. if we compare it with the russian fighters tsu-35-su-30sm, yes, the range is about 300 km, that is, it is inferior, perhaps, perhaps, in time, so to speak. of the current,

well, overhaul of these planes , before they are handed over to us, some more modern radar stations will be installed, well, then, of course, we have a chance for a full-fledged fight, opportunities for our pilots to fully fight against the russian fighters will increase significantly, but in addition, this is an average option, if we still get planes, according to the radar stations of another trip, like, for example, there is the 86th station, yes, it already has 120 km, and in general for all planes , which passed mdu, mlu, midlife update, yes, that is , modernization in the process of their use, in the process of their operation, here, they got the opportunity during the next such stages, as

they call it, after bole. modernization is difficult, this is mllu, and then there were stages of improvement, so after stages, several stages, these planes received missiles with a range of 160 km, which in total exceeds the range of russian missiles by 40 kilometers, that is, somewhere we lose in capabilities, somewhere we gain better opportunities to defeat russian planes, and in general, what i really hope that on these planes... will have such modern, powerful on-board defense complexes, nato countries, in the united states always pay special attention to this, what is an on-board defense complex, this is radio-electronic equipment that can detect the irradiation of russians by radars russian fighter jets, launching missiles and placing effective obstacles to divert these missiles from hitting the

aircraft. well, if these conditions are met, we will get enough aircraft that will give our pilots the opportunity to fight on an equal footing with the russians, and i am not talking about the fact that we will be able to more effectively destroy russian cruise missiles, because , for example, the latest modification was the installation of anti-aircraft missiles. ws such as on vampire complexes, and for the destruction of drones , the cost of such a missile is 25 thousand dollars for comparing the cost of the shahed, well, somewhere up to 200,000, 150,200,000 dollars, that is, we can use the f16, if there are even older models, we will be able to destroy russian shaheds quite effectively and cheaply, well, in general...

the question, you know, is inexhaustible, equipment, such different options for weapons, so you better ask some more specific points, because i can tell a lot here, because they know these machines quite well, i see quite a lot of them, well then it actually turns out that we will have to form such tactics, where we we have advantages, that's where we act, if our radar is worse than the enemy's, and the missile is better, then, after all, we will probably get involved in the task sooner. air defense, and not some aerial duels, where we will definitely have, well, worse indicators and greater risks, so probably now the tactics of using these f-16s will rather be directed to the task of air defense. well, i think that's the imperative, the primary imperative that's going to be in front of these planes, because you see that the russians now use rockets.